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"familiarize yourself with the word of God"
I would love that. Could you point me to some of the writings by this creature?
Of course you're talking about the bible, which is the word of men, many men. Many flawed men have since used it ways totally against the intent of its writers, George Bush being a great example.
Again, if the god creature had his hands on this book, and it truly gave us this book, then why has the god subjected the book to the interpretations of men?
Why didnt the god make the book grow on trees so that it wouldnt be soiled with the corruption of man?
I'm just a human, but I think I would be a much more believable god than the one you believe in. Of course, I wouldnt care if you believed or not, I'd be too busy nailing godesses and surfing black holes.
"You have disproved the existance of our creator."
Thats impossible. Nobody can disprove the existance of anything. If it doesnt exist, how can it be proven?
I think we have had this debate in the past. You are the one making the claim that some creature, who has lived alone for all existence, and does not have to follow the rules of our universe, got bored one day and decided to impregnate a 16 year old jewish housewife with a man god, after payment of centuries worth of goat sacrifices.
Now, why this creature, who has the power to create the energy of the Sun a millons of times over, would impregnate a jewish virgin to give birth to a mortal human is a mystery to me.
Talk about lack of imagination. Prophets were a dime a dozen at this time in our history. The god gives us another prophet? Walking on water was considered a miracle that ascribed divinity? Why not discover penicillin? Or the principle of motion? Theory of relativity? Electricity? Hydrolics?
This is the lamest story ever concocted. I mean, come on. This is all the god could come up with to convince us of its greatness? This is the message? Sorry, but I'm not impressed.
"earth is fixed and immovable in relation to its orbit around the sun"
Actually, the Earth is moving away from the Sun, and our Moon, is moving away from the Earth.
The Sun is losing energy, and shedding mass, thus over time its gravitational force declines. That and the fact that centrifical force always has us tearing away at our orbit around the sun.
Same with the Moon. In a couple hundred million years or maybe a couple billion years, it will move far enough away to cause havoc on the oceans causing the planet to turn to ice.
Of course by then the Sun will be expanding into a Red Dwarf, at which point its gases will consume most of the interior orbiting planets.
As to the permanence of God's will, it must be demonstrated and observed to be given meaning. Also, by assigning the god a sex, "his", you insinuate that the creature is able to reproduce, which would mean there are other creatures just like that one. Which of course would be silly.
"for good people to do evil things, it takes religion"
Great post Wall. This really is the whole point I have been trying to make.
The bible is used to justify anything church leaders can come up with, even war.
The fact that Christians still support our criminal president, and the traitor serving as VP demonstrates how plyable these people are. Its so easy to convince people they are doing the work of the god. Just reinterpret a couple phrases of the bible, and walla, bombing a populated market center in Iraq, and murdering hundreds of innocent victims is no longer a sin.
Christians are not the most moral amoung us, as they so often claim, they are just the most gulible.
Christians have no concept of "science, medicine, evolution, or even society"
Not what I said, but I agree. The debate over stem cell research is a great example. Your claim that using blatocysts to generate stem cells is equivilent to murdering babies is a great example of shallow thinking.
My original point was about the people who wrote the Bible. The Bible was written people who had very little understand of the world, and human beings. It was written so that the passages could be interpreted in multiple ways. This allows church leaders to lend "interpretations", which are then twisted to create divisive issues like abortion, or gay rights.
The Bible teaches ignorance, and group think. The current traitors in charge of this country USED Christian group think to gain power. Christians have enabled and empowered the worst President in our history. Now there is something your god can be proud of.
How many innocent children has the Christian leader George Bush murdered in Iraq?
So many they cant keep count.
Hey Len,
Europeans arent brainwashing our kids and using word twisting scriptures to do it. Go check out the movie Jesus Camp. The adults in that movie should be locked away for child abuse. They are simply cult leaders holding a bible.
I would cede your point if there was not a large portion of our population that took every word of the bible literally. But they do.
My days of not challenging Christians are over. Bring up your mythology or fairy tales around me and you're going to get an earful.
"not at all saying most Christians are bad people"
Neither am I. I'm just saying they tend to be followers, not leaders. They tend to not challenge the stories they hear or seek the truth. They are easily fooled, and easily lied to.
Dont take my word for it, just look at the right wing these days. Everything stated in Fox News is gospel. George Bush is a figure to be worshiped.
Christians supported the invasion of a country that did not attack us, and the subsequent deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent men, women, and children.
If there was a god, and there isnt, Christians would at the bottom of his shit list.
"I believe you have hit a new low."
You started posting this Bible crap, you should expect honest responses. Lets see if I can lower the bar some more with some more blasphemy.
Even though Issac was spared the knife, and this is the supposed time in our history where we realize human sacrifice is wrong, human sacrifice continued in Jeruselem for centuries. So much for Abraham leading the children of Israel.
What about Jephthah who asked the god for help in his battle with the Ammonites, and vowed to sacrifice the first person who greeted him after the battle. He then murdered his daughter in a sacrifice... to your god. I guess she wasnt as precious as Issac?
My point still holds. You believe in a book written by people who had no concept of science, medicine, evolution, or even society. They created a book of stories to control people and keep their power. Your religion, along with all the others, is a charade. And everybody around you has been taught not to challenge your childish, fragile feelings for fear of damaging your belief in fairy tales.
Screw that. You were born to follow blindly.
Have I reached a new low yet?
Bibble Prophecy?
Yes, lets lend credence to the predictions of people who thought sacrificing children and goats to a god was a way to get into heaven.
And you give Rogue grief about his conspiracy theories?
Put the criminal in cuffs.
So if Cheney isnt part of the Executive Branch, then he isnt entitled to executive priviledge.
That means he needs to tell us who he met with during his Enery Task force (Iraq invasion planning).
I'm sick of this human waste living in OUR Naval Observatory. There has never been a more corrupt VP in our history.
"I don't want a third-world country."
I have lived in a third world country, and to be honest, it was awesome, and I hope to retire there, or at least spend winters there.
I've been through neighborhoods in DC that I would describe more as anarchy than third world, so I'm not sure what your point is about Maryland suburbs and illegal immigrants.
Visit any of the central valley cities in California, and you will have a hard time believing you're in the U.S.
But so what? I grew up 25 minutes from Camden, NJ, the murder capital of the world, and illegals dont live there. I would much rather be stuck in Modesto than Camden.
I was just out in the garden as well.
This comes back to a point that Len often makes, our agriculture working class roots are what made older generations so strong. It was not a culture of immediate gratification. WE plowed the fields and cleaned the floors.
I despise the concept that somehow we as Americans are somehow above menial labor. The Paris Hilton generation, where everybody gets an Escalade, and Daddy will always bail them out of jail.
Its probably why I care about illegal immigrants so much, they actually have to work for a living.
bbotc
"Picking crops is beneath most Americans."
I could not disagree more. I picked crops, I washed dishes, I cleaned toilets, I humped hod for a stone mason, and I shoveled snow. I've also picked up alot of garbage.
I think what is more accurate is:
Paying a fair wage is not expected from American employers.
If there were jobs in Mexico paying more than you could make here in the U.S., we would have the exact opposite problem, and Mexico would be trying to close the border.
Its an economic problem.
Your other concerns have more to do with expodential population increases, runaway capitalism, and corrupt politicians than illegal immigrants.
"secure the gdamn Mexican border first"
bbotcs
As I've said in the past, its not that easy. We have a huge reliance on the illegals to pick our crops, work in our restaurants, and generally perform manual labor jobs.
If that supply of labor is cut off, who is going to do those jobs?
How will farmers afford to have crops harvested?
We could be talking about a 50-100% increase in food costs within a few months. That would wreck the economy.
For the record though, I think that we have to get the border under control. I just think you do it by enforcing the existing labor laws, and ensuring employees have a right to work here. Food costs will increase, but more gradually.
And to be honest, I worked on a farm for a while when I was a kid, and I think WE should be picking our fruit, and not hiring illegals to do it.
Generally Betrayus
Hahah... I like that one.
Think its the illegals that are causing the problem?
Think again. These corporations are actively conspiring NOT to hire Americans. In public.
"he predicted stabilizing Iraq could take a decade"
Or until the oil runs out. Its very hard to predict.
OTC, I dont speak sheep.
So I had your post translated over at
http://www.sheep.com/sheep_sounds.cfm
It was a little more clear, but it still didnt make any sense.
Wall
They cant be bothered with things like science, or facts. Blastocysts are babies, even if they are frozen and never implanted.
Now, lets start bombing Iran, we have more humans being to protect!!
It is so pathetic to watch.
"Tax payers should not fund the destruction of human life."
Another brilliant quote from el Presidante today.
I guess he means that tax payers should not fund the destruction of human life, unless that human has been tortured and interrogated first.
And the right wing sheep, the 28%, drool all over themselves, and applaud this faux Christian. Enough to make you want to puke.
CIA Veterans Write to RNC of Their Concern Over Republican Threat to Rule of Law
It looks to me like the GOP is an enemy of the state. Note the last few paragraphs.
13 June 2007
The Honorable Mel Martinez
General Chairman
The Republican National Committee
310 First Street, SE
Washington, D.C. 20003
As former intelligence officers—most of us have served the United States in undercover positions—we are saddened and appalled by the recent public comments of former Senator Fred Thompson, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, and former Governor Mitt Romney—one a potential candidate and the other two declared candidates for the Republican nomination for President--with respect to the perjury and obstruction of justice conviction of Vice President Cheney’s Chief of Staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby. These men misrepresent the case against Mr. Libby and call into question the integrity of a respected Federal Judge and U.S. attorney. Their positions with respect to the just and fair punishment meted out to Mr. Libby raise serious questions about their commitment to the rule of law free of partisan bias.
We are particularly concerned by the recent speech by Fred Thompson, who declared:
As you may recall, for some inexplicable reason, the CIA sent the husband of one of its employees to Niger on a sensitive mission. She had suggested it. He came back to the U.S. and proceeded to publicly blast the administration. Naturally, everyone wanted to know “who is this guy?” and “why was he sent to Niger?” Just as naturally, the fact that he was married to Valerie Plame at the CIA was leaked.
Having virtually guaranteed that Ms. Plame’s identity would be ultimately disclosed by using her, shall we say, “politically active” husband, the CIA then demanded that this leak of her name be investigated by the Justice Department for a possible violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. The Justice Department, bowing to political and media pressure, appointed a Special Counsel to investigate the leak and promised that the Justice Department would exercise no supervision over him whatsoever — a status even the Attorney General does not have.
The only problem with this little scenario was that there was no violation of the law, by anyone, and everybody — the CIA, the Justice Department and the Special Counsel knew it. Ms. Plame was not a “covered person” under the statute and it was obvious from the outset.
Furthermore, Justice and the Special Counsel knew who leaked Plames’s name and it wasn’t Scooter Libby. But the Beltway machinery was well oiled and geared up so the Special
Counsel spent the next two years moving heaven and earth to come up with something, anything. Finally he came up with some inconsistent recollections by Scooter Libby, who had been up to his ears studying National Intelligence Estimates. But he worked for Dick Cheney, so that apparently was enough for the special counsel.
The factual errors in Mr. Thompson’s statement are almost as egregious as his partisan view that perjury and obstruction of justice are not serious crimes. For example, Thompson states that there is something implausible about sending Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate reports that Iraq was trying to buy yellow cake uranium. In fact, Ambassador Wilson was uniquely qualified for the mission. Having served as the acting Ambassador in Iraq and faced down Saddam Hussein, Ambassador Wilson also was the Director of Africa in the National Security Council and had served as an Ambassador in west Africa and monitored the uranium mining activity of the country where he was stationed.
Former Senator Thompson persists with the lie that there was no “violation” of the intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA). But his claim is debunked by Federal Judge Reginald Walton and Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who, after reviewing the classified personnel file of Valerie Plame Wilson, stated that she was in fact covered by the IIPA when Robert Novak printed her name in July of 2003.
It also is important to correct the record that Valerie Wilson did not suggest sending her husband to Niger. She responded to an inquiry from her supervisor and provided a memo laying out his capabilities. The decision to send Ambassador Wilson to Niger was made by a senior official in the Counter Proliferation Division of the CIA. Fred Thompson also is factually wrong by claiming that Joe Wilson returned from the trip, “and proceeded to publicly blast the administration”.
This is not true. Ambassador Wilson made no public statements critical of the Administration’s claims about the alleged purchase of yellowcake uranium until May of 2003—more than 15 months after returning from the trip and only after the President made the specious claim in the State of the Union address.
Our concern about Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney is narrower but important—are these men committed to a rule of law free of partisan influence? During the last Republican debate Rudy Giuliani said that:
he'd have to wait for the appeals process to play out to see if Libby met the criteria for a pardon. However, the former federal prosecutor said he believes the sentence imposed on Libby was "way out of line."
Mr. Giuliani had a different standard for charges of perjury and obstruction of justice on September 11, 1987:
The United States Attorney in Manhattan, Rudolph W. Giuliani, declared yesterday that the one-year prison sentence that a Queens judge received for perjury was "somewhat
shocking."
"A sentence of one year seemed to me to be very lenient," Mr. Giuliani said, when asked to comment on the sentence imposed Wednesday on Justice Francis X. Smith, the former Queens administrative judge. . . .
Justice Smith was convicted of committing perjury before a grand jury investigating corruption in the city, Mr. Giuliani said later, adding that "he could have helped root out corruption" by
cooperating with the grand jury.
Mr. Romney’s statement is more outrageous. He accused Patrick Fitzgerald of abusing "prosecutorial discretion."
The case against Mr. Libby is straightforward. He blocked the efforts of Federal agents to investigate the leak of the identity of an undercover CIA officer who was covered by the Intelligence Identities Protection Act. Mr. Libby lied to Federal law enforcement officials
investigating the leak. Most importantly, Mr. Libby was convicted in a fair trial of perjury and obstruction of justice.
This is not an issue of Republican versus Democrat. The signatories of this letter include registered Republicans, Democrats, and Independents. We believe that Republicans and Democrats alike must commit themselves to upholding the rule of law and refusing to use clandestine CIA officers as a political football. In this regard we find that the recent comments by Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney sadly wanting and unworthy of the highest elected office in the United States.
We are pleased, however, that the Republican Party is offering candidates who do believe in the rule of law. Former Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore and U.S. Congressman Ron Paul spoke boldly and reaffirmed the commitment of Republicans to uphold the rule of law. Both emphasized that the law must be applied to Mr. Libby, regardless of his social standing or wealth. We believe that Governor Gilmore and Congressman Paul reflect the values espoused by Ronald Reagan.
Good intelligence should not be a partisan issue. It is a professional obligation of intelligence officers to provide politicians with the best information and their best judgment. And it is the professional obligation of politicians to uphold the rule of law and ensure that the Constitution of the United States is upheld and enforced. On this critical issue we believe that the statements by Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney do damage to the reputation of the Republican Party and undermine public respect for the judicial system.
Respectfully yours,
Ray Close, Directorate of Operations
James Marcinkowski, Directorate of Operations
Philip Giraldi, Directorate of Operations
Michael Grimaldi, Directorate of Intelligence
Ray McGovern, Directorate of Intelligence
Melvin Goodman, Directorate of Intelligence
Larry Johnson, Directorate of Intelligence
David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council
Closing the border first.
Here's my take. Much like the war on drugs, illegal immigration is now a problem of the 'cat being out of the bag'. Illegal immigration just has been accepted for so long, that we are now reliant on it to farm our fields, run our restaurants, and take care of our kids.
These people, and lets remember that they are people, have been allowed to live among us, and be part of our society, for generations. And whether you want to admit it or not, a certain balance has been achieved.
There are now far too many interests at stake in this debate now that this cat is out of the bag. Whole industries depend on a certain amount of illegals getting across the border every year. And those industries are very powerful, as we all know.
There is also a humanitarian interest to this. Again, we have allowed this to happen now for multiple generations, and we have all benefited from this relationship one way or another. This has been an unspoken agreement for a very long time, and I think it would be wrong to just breakoff our end of the deal.
Labor wants to keep things the way they are. Farmers want protection and more rights to control prices. Unions want more members. Political parties either want more members or dont want the other side to gain members. Illegals want to eat and take care of their families, and not get abused.
Too many people have their fingers in this pie to allow for quick change. For what its worth though, I think we should at least enforce the current laws. Stop illegal employment and you solve half the problem. Enforce the borders, and you get most of the rest. We'll just have to settle for $6.00 lettuce.
Would you consider voting for Fred Thompson in 2008?
I would if he came out for putting Bush and Cheney in prison. Other than that though, I dont see it happening.
conservatives are NOT the "pariahs of the 21st century."
Sorry Len, but dont blame the messenger. It was a Social Conservative revolution remember? Fiscal conservatives, like myself, were barred at the gate, but that does not mean Bush is not a Conservative. Bush and Conservatism are now intertwined, and while I agree with your premise, Conservatives will now be tied to Bush for the foreseeable future.
Who are the 28% that still support this charletan? The social conservatives.
I know what you're saying, but... but... Conservatives support the Constitution, and the rule of law. Yeah, in the old days maybe. Today, Conservatism is simply a euphemism for Corporatism and Plutocracy.
I've said it before, you're not Conservative, you're a Constitutionalist like me. A Jeffersonian Democrat.
Didnt Fred Thompson...
kick the crap out of Chuck Norris back in the mid-70's?
or was that Kareem Abdul Jabar?
I also remember the school bus full of babies he caught as it was falling from the Empire State building. Didnt even get his dinner jacket rumbled.
He is a stud, I'll give you that much.
US confirms it is arming Sunni insurgents
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/US_confirms_it_arming_Sunni_insurgents_0610.html
Here we go again, arming the same people who are killing American troops. Do we need any more evidence that the criminals in charge of this disaster need to be removed from office and placed behind bars?
The U.S. military has confirmed that it is arming Sunni insurgent factions to try to contain al-Qaida in Mesopotamia, according to a report in Monday's New York Times by veteran Iraq correspondent John Burns.
"With the four-month-old increase in American troops showing only modest success in curbing insurgent attacks, American commanders are turning to another strategy that they acknowledge is fraught with risk: arming Sunni Arab groups that have promised to fight militants linked with Al Qaeda who have been their allies in the past."
American officers acknowledge that it is arming some groups that are suspected to have been involved in American attacks as well as link to Al Qaeda. Some American officers maintain they are simply arming both sides of a civil war.
"With an American troop drawdown increasingly likely in the next year, and little sign of a political accommodation between Shiite and Sunni politicians in Baghdad, the critics say, there is a risk that any weapons given to Sunni groups will eventually be used against Shiites," reports the Times. "There is also the possibility the weapons could be used against the Americans themselves."
But commanders maintain that the strategy has shown to be successful in driving a wedge between former Sunni Baathists and Al Qaeda, two groups who have often worked together since the toppling of Saddam Hussein.
That strategy was first use in the Anbar Province of Iraq, where attacks on US troops plunged after tribal sheiks, angry with the killing of Sunni civilians at the hands of Al Qaeda, recruited and armed thousands of men to join tribal security and police forces. Now the military is spreading the "Anbar model" throughout Sunni Iraq.
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With the agreement to arm some Sunni groups, the Americans also appear to have made a tacit recognition that earlier demands for the disarming of Shiite militia groups are politically unachievable for now given the refusal of powerful Shiite political parties to shed their armed wings. In effect, the Americans seem to have concluded that as long as the Shiites maintain their militias, Shiite leaders are in a poor position to protest the arming of Sunni groups whose activities will be under close American scrutiny.
But officials of Mr. Maliki’s government have placed strict limits on the Sunni groups they are willing to countenance as allies in the fight against Al Qaeda. One leading Shiite politician, Sheik Khalik al-Atiyah, the deputy Parliament speaker, said in a recent interview that he would rule out any discussion of an amnesty for Sunni Arab insurgents, even those who commit to fighting Al Qaeda. Similarly, many American commanders oppose rewarding Sunni Arab groups who have been responsible, even tangentially, for any of the more than 29,000 American casualties in the war, including more than 3,500 deaths. Equally daunting for American commanders is the risk that Sunni groups receiving American backing could effectively double-cross the Americans, taking weapons and turning them against American and Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government forces.
Americans officers acknowledge that providing weapons to breakaway rebel groups is not new in counterinsurgency warfare, and that in places where it has been tried before, including the French colonial war in Algeria, the British-led fight against insurgents in Malaya in the early 1950s, and in Vietnam, the effort often backfired, with weapons given to the rebels being turned against the forces providing them. Maj. Gen. Rick Lynch, commander of the Third Infantry Division and leader of an American task force fighting in a wide area between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers immediately south of Baghdad, said at a briefing for reporters on Sunday that no American support would be given to any Sunni group that had attacked Americans. If the Americans negotiating with Sunni groups in his area had “specific information” that the group or any of its members had killed Americans, he said, “The negotiation is going to go like this: ‘You’re under arrest, and you’re going with me.’ I’m not going to go out and negotiate with folks who have American blood on their hands.”
OTC,
As usual, you missed the whole point.
Fred Thompson is just another corporate cronie and a neo-con. He's in bed with Libby, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the rest of the idiot intelligencia that has orchestrated this train wreck.
He has no need for the truth, thus the assertions about Michael Moore's movie without ever seeing it, and without any evidence to back up his claim.
Anything to keep the status quo.
Saying that the American health care system is on par or below the standards of Cuba is hardly controversial. And is not equivilent to someone saying they want to live in Cuba.
But this is the idiot right at its best. End the war in Iraq is equivilent to not supporting the troops, comparing US medicine to Cuba is equivilent to wanting to blow Castro. And conservatives wonder why they are the pariahs of the 21st century?
"It was almost certainly one of these that Moore went to, if the stories in the NY Post and the Daily News are true."
In other words, Fred Thompson has no friggn clue what the hell he's talking about.
And of course he doesnt back up his statement. Typical conservative blowhard, baseless accusations and no answer for the monsterous problem that is our healthcare system.
Micheal Moore is spot on, our health care system is going down hill fast, and Republicans have done nothing to stop it.
Maybe Fred should visit an American hospital for himself before making such baseless allegations.
Len,
Nancy was the trophy wife? Yeah, I guess 17 years younger would have been considered a trophy wife at that time.
Guess I just never thought of Ronny and Nancy as cradle robber and babysitter turned pin cushion.
Still, Fred Thompson and his wife are beauty and the beast as far as I'm concerned.
Fred Thompson is Reaganesque?
Did Reagan have a trophy wife? So much for the family values argument.
Did Reagan support the pardon of a convicted felon and traitor (Libby) who disparaged the American justice system by lying to the FBI, a Grand Jury, and the America people? Does Fred Thompson support justice for all, or only justice for non-Republicans?
Besides acting, what has Fred Thompson ever done? He was a nobody in the Senate, considered lazy by most.
Yawn, just another repuke who sold his soul and has no respect for the Constitution of the United States.
I cant wait to see Ron Paul kick his pathetic ass.
I would prefer that we distinguish between an idiot who is going to "attack" the Brooklyn bridge with a blow torch, and the four pizza delivery guys who were going to attack Ft Dix, and actual terror plots.
The problem is, there arent enough "real" terrorism plots to keep the fear high enough for our Vice Felon in Chief. So they have to hype the morons who want to attack military bases with BB guns.
Its another reason why having a credible leader is so important.
Would you believe KKKarl Rove if he told you there was an attack coming?
Because this administration has politicized the reporting of terror threats, and exploited supposed "plots" that were little more than 2 drunks in bar drawing pictures of a building on a napkin.
How many terror warnings and threat level adjustments did we have before the election in 2004? About 48.
How many have we had since? About 0.
How many times did Peter cry wolf before the villagers no longer came to his aid?
Ron Paul in Reggae...
otc...
I grew up on the NJ shore, and during the summer on the beach there were these guys that walked around all day in the boiling heat and sand selling popsickles and ice cream. They wore all white, carried these big boxes filled with dry ice and pounds of ice cream. They would hang out on people's blankets, have a nip here or there, and walk along down the beach.
I'm sure those guys are long gone now.
You're right, that kind of entrepreneural ability has been killed off.
I've read about cities shutting down corner lemonaide stands for not having proper permits. Jeez. Drinking nasty, sugary, frontyard lemonaide is part of growing up.
Eagle,
That was great. Gotta love the creativity of You Tube posters.
Ron Paul for President, Dennis Kuchinich for VP.
The only true patriots in this presidential race are the ones willing to ignore the money machine, and speak the truth.
Too bad neither one will be around by this time next year.
cool bbotcs...
I need all the friends I can get in this world.
re: YOU ARE ON IGNORE
Wow, someone is a little fired up today.
So we arent a nation of immigrants then? We arent the melting pot? The planet's muts? melados? inbreds? half-breeds?
I had an illegal alien knock on my door last week. Wife and I are doing some landscaping, so he must have seen the work we were doing in the yard, and decided to stop in and see if we needed any help. He had a business card, and a price sheet. His wife does house cleaning as well.
I didnt hire him and his wife. Not because it was illegal, but because I prefer to do the work myself. Other than that though, there was no incentive for me to NOT hire this man. I wouldnt get punished, no stigma attached, no risk.
That is what needs to change.