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show me the money that will pay off YA, regardless of immediate pay off, taking the percent to pay off earlier. or by august, either way, YA needs to be gone.

and just look at that! all the hype from the PR and YA shows up, takes there 45% on down.. until well the price is where it started. YEA for YA!

Watch for Target to lic.

Progressive was a surprise. not expected imo. the stock will trade down by the end of the day as YA starts the printing press!

it will start again when the market opens

i am only going to talk about this one last time:

When your playing holdem, do you let others know exactly what you are doing,.. bet up with no hand,. check raise....

When you going out with a girl when you were a young man.. and the father would ask your intentions with his daughter.. do you really tell him you just bought a three pack of condoms earlier in the day.

But as pop states, until he makes the change official... it is what it is, I dont think DRSS bought shares cause he wanted to play penny stocks with death spiral financing.

IMO

i kinda jumbled everything there and got ahead of what i was saying.

Pop explained it like this: they convert at .002 and sell at .003 then everything over the conversion goes to pay back debt. To me, that would make no cents ;) So it is as I thought. If it were pops way, big runs would be welcomed regardless of dilution. really. Thanks risk!

could you explain to me how the conversion of these shares work.

anything above the conversion price of the share is a profit that is associated with the risk they took to invest in NEOM right? Pop was telling me if they converted at the conversion price.. lets just say it is .002 and they sell at .01 the .008 difference is their return and does not count against debt right? just trying to understand. :)

folks want out, its been brewed

you mean kool-aid in a can!

last paragraph. LM has more to say on Monday?

http://www.bizreport.com/2012/12/how-mobile-is-impacting-the-2012-holidays.html

regardless, i am surprised by the level of support. Not sure if this will be here to stay, but this is setting up to smell like a run.. i just hope it can get about a cent!

so everything above the conversion price goes to the payback of the loan?

death spiral. it goes back down and probably lower. any demand will be met with hot off the press shares from YA, so understand this, 50% yesterday. 20% today. and they get to convert at less than .0017 and sell into the market, however the only portion that covers the debt. is the .0017, the rest is the real return. gravy. its going down until YA is gone, period.

if i could only multiply my holdings so my share price was around .0017 or whatever YA can convert at. there is no rise here. demand will be met and this will drop further. period

its to bad we cant get odds in vegas and just bet weather or not this company will make it.. oh i guess thats what we are doing.. and the market thinks we aint gonna make it. I expected more in terms of refinancing and shoring up the financials by now. my back ground is finance.... and i am surprised they havnt thought their way out of this paper bag. every venture capital firm is looking for the next big thing. the next fb, the next mega trend. I dont think it would be hard to get dif. fin. for the entire debt in exchange for more favorable terms which might allow this company to remain solvent. George Oleary in involved on a mgmt level is bs. maybe a board member. but. anyways. they are responsible to the shareholders and have only proved to work for YA. it is a darn shame. I hope LM experience some real low points in her personal life.. just so karma can place is vicious teeth,.. square on her @$$ is that to much to hope for?

either way,.. we are getting it given to us..

imo, no not really. but i have been wrong before. I think it is playing a small role. i see one of two things happening. LM is actually not pulling our legs and we will make some good money, 2 we get punked.

well, punked more than we already have!

risk... please just dont continue to respond. not cause i think your wrong, but because putting an end to this discussion would be nice,.. even though it has everything to do with ya conversion, most of us know, that the conversion price gets lower along with the price. the details mean jack. everything means jack until mgmt can find away to deal with YA. i do respect both you and pop when youtalk about the details. but sometimes the what ifs and strategy that the company could or should take is just as fun. :)

this spiral has everything to do with not getting rid of YA.

its not ya, I think it is below the conversion price.. so the doc much me getting out or YA has gifted some debentures to investors and are letting them getout of it what they can.. i dont know. but when a crooked stock like srge can make a big run.. or BCCI which i have been watching.. and hoping to take some profit from neom.. which wont ever happen and buy that. LM is a joke at this point. they seperated themselves from saying they have no control over the stock price. this is a bull ship statement. 100% pissed at these trucking mormons!

it will end and the C level mgmt will have nice parachute packages, still live in swank homes and have a life style that only the privileged have, such as Mark A. and LM. complete BS

it does bother me, how, they distance themselves from their fiduciary responsibilities to the common shareholder, by stating they have no control. Then what the F" are they doing running the company?

pop, i think YA plays a dirty game, always have always will.

in regards to the DR. and him stating his intent... well think back to the chasing girls stage of your life.. did you ever let a father know your true intent?

no matter what, something has to change real soon. just to get to a penny is a huge percentage gain and will probably not see it again until they address the financing in detail, seek outside funding with out pipe financing and so on. I'll just write my 15 k off.

there is some real value in the kodak patents. especially as it relates to the convergence of cameras and what they can to and be integrated into the hand held devices.. phones ipad notebookie things ,..imo

if thats even a possible dream.

ebay, what do you make of the ref. in the conf. call. to what degree would the deal with them be... what if neom got the service contract for them to support the red laser initiative?

i like that coined term. lol

Thats probably the second biggest problem, transparency. so long as YA actually has someone in a C level position, this wont go anywhere. First, need to get rid of YA, then the YA mole who just costs us money, and makes it for YA. what a mess

Risk, I agree with you.

amen

then they need to lay a clear plan to get ride of YA. period

pop, whats your take on this after this presentation.

lower we go. we are going to get alot of bs from the call. it will be, entertaining at best! thats my bet.

VAR(S) are very much alive!

Why the stock price still sucks? That is simple, YA still has the option to dilute, and NEOM made no real effort to show shedding them(YA) in the very near term as possible. I am surprised that the MSFT deals seems to be low in rev. amounts pertaining to its value. I hope there is more in those 20 pages we cant read. Until NEOM vacates YA, we will drift lower. Look to buy in the .0035 .0028 range.

lol, lets hope not! retirement of the debt is very possible, even if it isnt the full amount, dilution has to be stopped, it is the only logical thing to do!

agreed!

IMHO, i really feel the winds of change are at hand. Why will the MSFT deal not be like ebay. 1. NOEM was desperate then, although they still might be,a)I.P. valuation right now is in an expanding bubble, b) their patents are significant, which has been a costly battle. 2. NEOM has what i think is a key "newish" board member. 3. The new legal representation.

This is going to have to show sig. improvement in NEOM ability to release themselves from YA death grip. If MSFT didnt sign and the good Doc didnt jump on board, I would tend to think of doom and gloom. I do think I might be right on a little positive surprise when they release. I am hoping for a retirement of their debt with ya to be 30% i know this is a dream, but we have seen what some of these other LIC. deals are when msft is involved. If the stars have not aligned by this quarter, the sky will fall and it will be over within 12 mnths.

I cant wait till earnings are released so we can talk about the same crap for the next quarter,.. said no one ever!

Well, go right ahead sir. I gotta go live my life. I know what I read, dont trust my brain. I'll be honest, I wish i could remember the name of that particular company. but i remember the article. I think it was within the last three years. Post the link when ya find it. Not wasting my time to try and convince people here. believe it or not. look it up if you doubt,.. I am no good a bs;in but the nice point is, if I am not fabricating this, is that the sec does allow things to happen if it deems it necessary under whatever criteria they have/use.

I left saturday morning at 5 a.m. I headed out hunting. I was excited to see that there were so many posts. Then I read them. Cant we just agree that nobody actually knows what is going on here.

I remember, and its actually a more recent event, when the SEC allowed Warren Buffett to acquire more than 10% of the company without having to file until after he had finished acquiring his targeted stake.

This week will be very interesting for us shareholders. I hope things go well for us.