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Thanks for that jimmy667.
llh222, thanks for the response. None of us know what the real intention of the 13D group is and I don't believe we will know until when and if they take the lead.
As for whether one does or does not believe in the possibility of a RS or sale of the company is irrelevant. Not believing they would do either doesn't make it any less real of a possibility. It's not like those concepts are new to takeovers. In fact, it's not at all uncommon.
There's a reason folks are concerned about that potential. To call the discussion of those concerns 'FUD' is a bit of a miscategorization. I think we all know what FUD really looks like here with respect to the short agenda and campaigns. Just my opinions.
jap1511, I'm quite sure they are still accumulating. I have no doubt of that. I originally asked the question behind their motivation for 'tanking' CYDY that someone else ad mentioned....and for the subsequent cheap sale to a BP entity should they be in control. A lot of money is at stake and I don't see needlessly leaving such sums of money on the table.
Well said Learning53. I completely agree on each point. I am hesitant to want to believe though that the FDA will ever amend its ways from the public outcry and believe they will do everything the can to prevent CYDY's approval in the US. I'm not sure what it will take for this to turn in our favor. The FDA seems immune. Our only hope in LL reaching the masses, outside the US is for other countries to adopt LL. Maybe, just maybe this will eventually lead to a reversal here in the US....I hope.
With the reported deadly variants looming on the near horizon, I would sure like to know that we have access to LL here in the US.
Buddyboy20, okay, so that argument makes sense. That's what I was looking for and was missing what is now, to me, the obvious conclusion. Sorry for being dense iKnow777. That seems like a plausible explanation, thanks Buddyboy20.
iKnow777, I get that, but what they also own in CYDY isn't chump change either. How does it serve them to tank CYDY's share price? What am I missing. I'm not trying to be argumentative or contrarian. I'm truly asking as I don't see the benefit, not when you invest into 17.75M shares, regardless of the gains from incelldx.
I suppose if you make a massive chunk in one hand, perhaps one does worry about a few million in the other? I'm not convinced. I believe their intention is primarily, monetarily driven and if that's the case, I don't get shooting oneself in the foot unless there is extreme reason.
iKnow777, I'm aware of that concern as well but it still doesn't negate that they collectively own 17.75M shares. That's no small position and would warrant their concern in seeing a healthy share price.
Ahab333, first, I'm NOT a supporter of the 13D group. I did like that they stated in their SEC filing that they are not going to Reverse Split. That is the one thing that I read that I liked and IF, and it's a big IF, IF they didn't lie about that then this is a good thing.
To your point though, you stated that if they are lining up to have CYDY purchase IncellDX, yes, that will hurt us, at least in the short term and quite probably cause permanent and fatal damage financially to CYDY. Having said that, if I added up their shares correctly, between the proposed board members, they collectively own 17.75+ million share. You stated that perhaps they want to sink CYDY's share price so that they could sell the company for peanuts. Being as they are heavily invested, don't their interests align with ours when it comes to share price? Wouldn't they want to maximize any buy out potential? I think maybe I'm missing something in my understanding here.
Again, let me be clear here, I'm not advocating for 13D. I'm trying to understand what their motive would be to tank CYDY's share price and sell CYDY on the cheap when they clearly own a large chunk. Well, all but one of them owns shares. That one person makes me go hhhmmm.
Thanks in advance for your response.
Thank you Misiu for that info. So, it sounds like, quite simply, the diarrhea reported as a supposed reaction to LL may, in fact, simply be a normal symptom by about 30% of patients with covid developing GI complaints rather than as a result of our drug.
Even if it was, in small part, from our drug, it's a very minor thing when proper fluids are taken. Also sounds like it resolves itself with time.
I appreciate you taking the time to update me with that new info. Again, thank you.
CTMedic, unless I'm mistaken, I think it's even better in that it's only 1 in 10,000 rather than 1 in 1,000. :)
Thanks for confirming Misiu.
Good point. Thanks for making that connection.
Thank you Misiu, I most definitely will when I have a bit of uninterrupted time to do so and will pay close attention. Thanks. I really do appreciate your seemingly tireless efforts.
Rockleo, my understanding of a Herx reaction is that it can be caused by innumerable medicines and natural treatments/remedies. Whenever there is a large cell die off (apoptosis) this CAN potentially lead to this type of reaction. The body responds to apoptosis with varying symptoms, one of which can be diarrhea. Someone else may be able to better describe what I'm attempting to talk about but, for me, it's just a theory that might at least partially explain this one adverse reaction. To me, I don't really even see it as adverse but rather a healthy and needed response from the body to eliminate the potential toxic overload from the viral cell die off.
I love that leronlimab is able to even cause this condition by how it enables the body perform in it's natural healthy way.
Thank you Misiu. Can you speak to the possible reason for the diarrhea I discussed as relating to apoptosis? I believe this symptom is merely the body's 'positive' reaction to eliminating the toxicity resulting from the body finally being able to address the virus once leronlimab begins to work.
Misiu, Rockleo and other medical professionals:
From my understanding of why leronlimab is successful, it modulates the immune system. I'm not clear exactly what that modulation action is, exactly. I know it quiets the cytokine storm by reducing the inflammation, thus allowing the body's natural immune system to not have to fight itself but, rather, now fight the virus itself. Because viruses live inside the cells, when the body fights a virus, the infected cells will die and this process is known as Apoptosis. I think I have that right? When there is an abundance of apoptosis, or dead cells, this can lead to an abundance of dead cells, or abundant toxicity. This is, if I understand correctly, often referred to as a Herxheimer reaction (sometimes referred to as "Herx.") One of the methods the body uses to eliminate the toxicity is by way of a bowel movement. Wouldn't the toxic overload potentially cause diarrhea?
The idea is that releasing too much data at once can lack some of the price-moving potential. If you release positive data in a structured manner it is expected that it will/can maintain momentum rather than blowing it all at once. Keep up the enthusiasm and the price will react accordingly in a more sustained manner. It's like a booster shot.
Misiu, hopefully there will be better control over this age issue in ensuring a proper balance of age distribution in current and potential future studies.
Misiu, those are solid, well-conceived questions that deserve consideration and legitimate answers. If 13D wants votes they need transparency as to their intentions and how those intentions will affect current CYDY shareholders. Anything less than that should be construed as intent to defraud current CYDY shareholders.
Don't let up on your pursuit for answers nor allow those attempting to dissuade you from pursuing the same to win.
All current CYDY shareholders deserve answers to these questions and should be asking the same questions themselves. I want to know the answers to these questions.
If 13D claims benevolence rather than malevolence then stop hiding in the dark. Step into the light and let CYDY shareholders know your intentions. If you refuse to do so then how can we be expected to trust that you have our best interests at heart.
It's like when you go to the store and you see the special at the counter. Buy two chocolate bars and get the 3rd for half price. But, in this case, the store owner says to you "Hey, I know that at this particular moment you might not want to exercise the right to buy that 3rd chocolate bar for half price but I'll tell 'ya what I'll do for you since you're such a good customer. If the time comes that you decide you'd like to buy that 3rd chocolate bar for half price you can do so but you have to do it within X amount of time or the deal's off. Fair enough? Also, with the rising price in food products, I suspect that chocolate bar may go up in value. Who know, maybe after you buy it at half price, you can sell it for twice what you paid for the first two candy bars down the road and pocket the difference."
Thanks to you as well bluefish1. Your explanation along with Black-Ops really did help. Makes perfect sense. I appreciate it.
Thank you for taking the time to explain Black-Ops. Much appreciated. That helps my understanding.
I agree, but keep in mind that that link stated the AVERAGE was 72 hours, meaning it could be more or less time. Still, nice to know that 72 hours is an average and we can probably expect something in that ballpark of time.
Well said Learning53. While I think most of us are here in hopes that we will benefit financially, I think many here understand the higher calling that is LL and its safe, life-saving potential impact on THE WORLD. That is, indeed, something to be proud in knowing you had a part in helping bring to fruition. To those wishing ill on LL, well, I suspect they won't be able to look back on their lives with pride in the same way.
Here's to Vyrologix.
Black-Ops, I am the first to admit that I am completely unfamiliar with how warrants work or even what they are. I wouldn't classify myself as a beginner investor exactly as I've been in the game for awhile but only as a 'simple' shareholder and primarily in the penny stock world.
I wish I were able to privately respond to your messages but, for now, I'm unable to do so.
Any 'class' on this issue explained in layman's terms would be appreciated.
Learning53, I couldn't agree more. The 600k lives lost to date could have been mostly avoided. The lack of approval is not because of NP. One only has to look at Fauci, BP and the FDA's complicit actions in keeping LL from EUA or full approval, along with their denial of the 4 doses requested. I'm thankful NP stepped out of the box and looked to other countries. I believe LL will see the light of day in other areas of the world and HOPEFULLY, with persistence and public pressure, here in the U.S. as well.
What has happened to our molecule is NOTHING short of criminal and evil by ALL who have worked to prevent its success.
There are many here who do care, but certainly not all, not by a long shot.
Misiu, thanks for the response. I hope you hear back from him. If so, it'll be interesting to see how he responds.
DollarBillYalll and Misiu, at first glance I thought maybe there was a potential 'time' issue but then I checked the remaining length of the video and the continued on for just over another full hour. So, I seriously doubt that his intention was to simply conserve time. They were speaking directly to MOA and the suppression of inflammation as being key. This is completely contrary to the MOA's of the vaccines in that Ivermectin and Leronlimab deal specifically with reducing the inflammation in order for the body to then successfully self-regulate the attack on the virus itself. I am not 100% sure that his stopping and shifting the discussion at that point was significant and intentionally an attempt to shut down the LL discussion but neither am I convinced that it wasn't. I would, personally, reserve judgment until someone is able to reach out to him and see if there is a legitimate response. Just my 2 cents.
Misiu143, I wonder if their reasoning was because this particular study centers around the moderate level rather than the S/C group? Perhaps they have data that might suggest that a lesser dose will be sufficient given the level of M/M vs S/C? This also could have a positive affect on production of supply if less is needed for each patient if caught earlier during M/M instead of S/C.
Admittedly, I may be completely off base and if so then I'm okay with being corrected in my thinking. Was just trying to throw something out there to consider.
Regardless, personally, I'd rather have seen 4 doses of 700mg IV while in hospital until discharged, then SC.
Thank you for answering this as it also answers my question on the same issue. I wasn't aware that it's typically standard practice to provide fair distribution of patients by age.
Sorry, I hadn't yet read your post on the upper end age limit restriction potential need.
I agree, Brazil, seems to be doing it right. The only thing I didn't find in the link is any upper limit on age, which could still be pointed to as a factor working for or against us. If it's later discovered, for instance, that an inordinate number of people over the age of 65 was in either arm of the study then each side of the equation could be determined as being an issue.
If in the placebo arm of the trial it's determined that a disproportionate number of people over the age of 65 were present and the death rate was unusually high then the argument could be made that there's no proof that LL was better than placebo or that placebo wasn't worse than LL because of the deck being stacked.
If in the LL arm of the trial the number over 65 was disproportionately high then the same argument as previously experienced could also be made that the lack of efficacy was skewed.
It would be helpful, if age is indeed a factor, and it appears to be just that, that >= 65 should be an exclusion factor. Having said that, it would be most unfortunate for those who are >=65 to not have the chance to be treated and potentially live in spite of their age.
Whales are typically "smart money" and if they're good with their investment and with Nader, then so am I. I suspect that if the whales were to lose confidence, we would know....painfully so.
Learning53, great post. The people keep piling on, including what I think may actually be a few legit longs. My sense though is that some of those longs have begun chiming in with "Get rid or Nader" type of commentary because they've been listening too much to the 'other' crowd. The legit longs who are hating on Nader have allowed the rhetoric to 'infect' them with the Nader hate.
I will concede that English isn't Nader's first language and his ability to come across as a slick, well-spoken politician isn't his strong suit and, can at times, be quite frustrating to listen to. Also, because folks are upset with how long this is taking and the FDA's apparent and to me, obvious, attempt to prevent the success of leronlimab due to BP's obvious influence over the US FDA, they are blaming Nader for our failure to achieve success. Also, they get upset when he tries to make peace with the FDA while at the same time doing an 'end around' to other countries to actually get the job done. His keeping peace with the FDA is a necessary evil and he's not willing to throw them under the bus because he knows that could be detrimental to any potential long-term possibility with any of the other indications. He's balancing those battles while facing criticism from all angles where the shareholders are concerned.
I don't envy his position at all. He's gotten us this far, and in spite of his inability to communicate well and in a polished manner, I believe his intent is right and his plan to achieve success on multiple fronts in other countries is reason, in my books, to let him continue. I know this won't be well-received and I'm okay with that. Just wanted to voice my unapologetic agreement and support with you. Here's to the devil we already know....go Cytodyn and go leronlimab....in India, Brazil, Philippines, UK, Canada, and any others I'm forgetting! May those successes bring success in America by way of pressure from the masses of ticked off folks who will question why the US FDA failed to do the task with which they've been entrusted.
I sent this email to Dr. Kelly:
Dr. Kelly,
I will try to make this brief to respect your time. I read the following article and it brought up a question for me that I'm wondering if you could address: https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/blood-type-and-covid-19
Given that there was an inordinate amount of higher aged people (over 65 if I recall) that was in the CD12 trial, the resultant p Value was skewed. Another factor that could have played into that trial and possibly other ongoing and/or future trials might be the person's blood type (Type A to be specific) as indicated in the aforementioned article. Is this something that perhaps should be considered? If a higher than average number of people in the leronlimab arm of the trial were Type A, this could also have affected the results. If you have any thoughts you care to share, I would be greatly appreciative.
Thank you and and especially thank you for all you and the team are doing to bring leronlimab / Vyrologix to the world in order to save lives as well as bring benefit to the company and its shareholders.
Sincerely,
Yes, that's the first I've heard of N60 carbon as well. Very interesting and something I'm going to research more when I have time. Glad 'ya liked the article.
If there is credence to this theory about blood type, this could also skew trial results if an inordinately high proportion of those in the severe/critical category were also Type A, much like the folks who are in the higher age category also skewed the results.
Here's an article published on the MIT website that I also found to be interesting as relating to Blood Type and Covid-19.
Blood type and COVID-19?
Here's a brief excerpt:
I found this to be an interesting article on mitigating potential damage from mRNA vaccines. Commentary appreciated.
How to Neutralize Potential Damage from mRNA Vaccines
I was thinking exactly the same thing.