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That's easy ~ Gurmani. e/m
bearluver, THANKS! for finally admitting...
that IT CCT LLC's RM into the SLJB shell is obvious and inevitable. As you always say..."OH, HAPPY DAY!"
*R*O*F*L*M*A*O*!!!
RE;
A major disadvantage of going public via a reverse merger is that such transactions only introduce liquidity to a previously private stock if there is bona fide public interest in the company and GOOD LUCK WITH THAT !!!!!!!!!!
kro, Rather than vainly trying...
to continue to discourage shareholders into abandoning their investment by repeatedly spamming info they're fully cognizant of, why don't you simply email Mr. Toth about your concerns?
Please remember to post your query...and his COMPLETE response...on this forum at your earliest convenience.
Thank you.
RE;
GSRE not current with Pinksheets;
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=gsre#getFilings
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/otcguide/investors_market_tiers.jsp
Indicates companies that are not able or willing to provide disclosure to the public markets - either to a regulator, an exchange or Pink Sheets. Companies in this category do not make Current Information available via Pink Sheets News Service, or if they do, the available information is older than six months. This category includes defunct companies that have ceased operations as well as 'dark' companies with questionable management and market disclosure practices. Publicly traded companies that are not willing to provide information to investors should be treated with suspicion and their securities should be considered highly risky.
Forget the straw man tactic, kro...
Anyone, including you, can contact Mr. Toth by email and post your query and his response here whenever you like. Or, if that's too involved for anyone, all are free to post their questions here to be answered accordingly.
Your false characterization of GSRE shareholders as 'scared' is totally without credence. Your attempts to monopolize the currently free shareholder access to Mr. Toth enjoyed by all shareholders is not appreciated.
RE;
What are you and many others scared of?
Why do you not want me to ask specific questions of Brandon Toth for all to see?
I have been around here for years and I have a pocket full of questions to ask.
Again what are you scared of?
Stop the games, kro...
As you were told before...
Why should anybody do that, kro? Do you not understand that Mr. Toth will gladly answer any query put forth by anyone, as long as said information isn't privileged material under Reg FD.
RE;
What questions do you have for Brandon for all to see posted by me on the numbered list generated by me next week?
You too DWB!
Why should anybody do that, kro?...
Do you not understand that Mr. Toth will gladly answer any query put forth by anyone, as long as said information isn't privileged material under Reg FD.
mkt_screwed ~ That looks like...
Checkmate in six moves!
Nice.
*R*O*F*L*M*A*O*!!!
otter, I also remember...
someone explaining how the lien issue was no longer a factor, but I also haven't a clue who researched and reported on it.
otter, There's a huge difference...
between asking questions to obtain valid info and proposing disingenuous queries to advance one's agenda thru the creation of doubt.
Like any penny stock, many issues surrounding GSRE can be read two ways, depending entirely upon one's agenda and DD skills.
rippy, If that's what you wish to believe...
that's cool! Hey, if you sleep better at night thinking you have all info needed to support your investing decisions, more power to you.
RE;
My point for asking was I know you have no proof of any shorting...And you're reply tell's me got-nuttin.
rippy, Like I said...
I owe you nothing.
RE;
If you can't show proof you have no DD...Fact!
rippy, You're asking for access...
to *MY* SLJB DD?
...I don't think so. I owe you nothing.
Besides...at this stage, any alleged SLJB short there may be has no bearing on anything.
RE;
"The fact is that LFWK/SLJB was shorted a little over a half billion shares thru three ECNs and the regular market."
Show proof of this.
I raise...
Alternative Trading Systems (ATS) are SEC-approved non-exchange trading venues. They play an important role in public markets for allowing alternative means of accessing liquidity.
Rule 300(a) of the SEC's Regulation ATS provides the following legal definition of an "alternative trading system":
Any organization, association, person, group of persons, or system:
* That constitutes, maintains, or provides a market place or facilities for bringing together purchasers and sellers of securities or for otherwise performing with respect to securities the functions commonly performed by a stock exchange within the meaning of Rule 3b-16 of this chapter; and
* That does not:
1. Set rules governing the conduct of subscribers other than the conduct of such subscribers' trading on such organization, association, person, group of persons, or system; or
2. Discipline subscribers other than by exclusion from trading.
[edit] Examples of ATS
* Electronic Communication Networks
* Call markets - An auction market where orders are grouped until they reach a certain amount, and then executed together at a predetermined time.
* Matching systems
* Crossing networks, Dark pools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_Trading_Systems
****************************************************************************************************************
As to which three ECNs I'm on...MYOB.
earnie, You don't want...
me to do that...I promise.
MYOB.
It's about time penny players get an education, don't you think? The fact is that LFWK/SLJB was shorted a little over a half billion shares thru three ECNs and the regular market.
The only way that info becomes useful is if SS reinvigorates SLJB.
*HOW* I trade is only applicable here to show the falsity of your, and others, position re; SLJB...and the obvious reason for it.
Have a good day.
marketmann, You've been asked repeatedly...
whether you believed all trades go through Nasdaq and are thus shown on quote.com. You initially ignored the query and then finally alluded to it by posting...
...i dont care where this scan (sic) stock gets traded.
A major facet of your scam allegations against SLJB and its shareholders is based upon the APPARENT total lack of market interest in SLJB (zero bid)...AS SHOWN ON QUOTE.COM.
The obvious fact that a significant portion of pinky trading NEVER APPEARS on the charts totally renders your zero bid allegation false.
How do I know? FACT: My trades haven't shown on the public charts for years...for exactly the same reason those of at least two of your faction haven't.
You're a knowledgeable trader, do you want to educate this board...or do you want me to do it?
In other words...
All of you are firm in your belief that ALL trades...pinks or otherwise...go thru Nasdaq and are shown on the sites you've cited?
C'mon Paulie...
Just ask yourself...
1; On what site did the pump occur?
2; On what site were all dissenters promptly quashed?
bingo
You're evading the issue, earnie...
I posted:
Compare the vol bars on that chart w/those from a 3 mo chart from your broker site....the dif is sizable and genuine. Do you know why? (i'm NOT pulling your chain...for once)
...and you replied:
Compared ... and the days of the spikes ended up being nil volume days.
This is NOT rocket science.
jmo
It's obvious I was not referring to the pps spikes. In your comparison, I'm sure you noticed the extreme difference between the two charts re; the number and size of the vol bars...I'm also very sure you are fully aware of the reason, so why don't you explain to the people the reason for it.
Okay earnie...
Compare the vol bars on that chart w/those from a 3 mo chart from your broker site....the dif is sizable and genuine.
Do you know why?
(i'm NOT pulling your chain...for once)
earnie, What the heck...
do 'nominee accounts' have to do with the facts on that chart?
earnie, You're claiming the nominee sales...
are on that chart?
it has CONFIRMED that Tens of Millions of Shares (maybe Hundred of Millions) were Diluted through Nominee Accounts held by PV.
PV has now been charged with two counts of Criminal Fraud by the RCMP (like the pointy pic of you in your siggy).
Based on allegations of the OSC, we can deduce that Devries also had nominee accounts in the US from which Millions of shares were diluted and sold.
However, we have absolutely NO evidence of any shorting of SLJB.
jmo
I MADE NO ASSUMPTIONS...
I posted a link whose info is in obvious conflict with the normal feed most usually see from quote.com.
It is not a 'mistake'.
There *IS* an obvious explanation.
Do you know what it is?
(i do...because i get the same feed from my broker as a supplemental)
In other words...
The poster that's claimed that after-hours trading of SLJB is happening for months is correct?
*%^$@*!
Wacko Libertarian civil disobedience
The appeal of ‘Live free or die’
Antigovernment activists putting down roots in N.H.
By Sarah Schweitzer, Globe Staff May 29, 2009
KEENE, N.H. - From a jail cell in this rural corner of New Hampshire, Sam A. Miller waged a philosophical battle, one milk carton at a time. (((Nice narrative hook, Sarah.))) The soft-spoken electrical engineer (((geek))) declined food for nearly a month, save for swigs of milk. To eat, he said, would be caving to the tyrannical government powers that placed him here for illegally filming in a courthouse and refusing to reveal his legal name to jail officials. (He says it’s private; jail officials obtained it from a fingerprint trace.) (((That’s right: his name is private. EAT THAT, FASCIST OPPRESSORS!)))
His resistance has made him a folk hero among antigovernment types who have been making their way to New Hampshire from points across the country since their leaders put out a clarion call six years ago.The Free Staters, as they are known, hope to lure thousands of like-minded souls to the state, with the goal of paring government to a bare minimum by eliminating things like taxes, speed limits, and zoning laws. Thus far, just 427 Free Staters have relocated. Yet, here in Keene and in pockets across New Hampshire, Free Staters are making their case in increasingly provocative ways. “Like Gandhi, like Martin Luther King, we need to educate and enlighten the public,” said Miller, who joined the Free State movement after breaking up with his fiancée. (((You may think this is an odd reason to go to jail for extremist political reasons, but, no, it isn’t.)))
The actions have ranged from the odd, such as when Free Staters filed another person’s fingernails without a manicurist’s license on a public sidewalk or held an unlicensed puppet show, to the irksome, as when they tried to dig a garden in a downtown Keene park, to the instigative, such as the day they stood on a street corner with a marijuana bud held aloft. Sometimes, they simply veer toward obstinate, wearing hats in a courtroom after being asked to take them off or refusing to remove a couch from a lawn. (((I’m having a little fun at the FreeStaters’ expense here, but Henry David Thoreau would be shoulder to shoulder with these boys.)))
When arrests have followed, Free Staters have sought to film the criminal proceedings from beginning to end, including scenes from courthouse lobbies, where filming is not allowed in some cases, such as in Keene District Court. The lobby filming has yielded more arrests (often, with Free Staters going limp as officers approach) and more footage that Free Staters post on websites such as http://FreeKeene.com , which has proved an effective recruiting tool. (((I bet. Go have a look. If you join up, don’t blame me.))) The so-called liberty actions have been met with some bemusement by residents of this gently tolerant city, population 22,800, home to Keene State College, near the border of Vermont. But some say the tactics have taken on a menacing hue, such as when Free Staters have gathered on the streets of downtown Keene with holstered guns on their waists, visible on their waists.
”When they first came to town, there was a welcoming spirit. A lot of people were like, ‘OK,’” said Richard Van Wickler, a Keene resident and
superintendent of the Cheshire County Department of Corrections. “But unfortunately what happens is that when [Free Staters] take the radical approach, that invites people to get angry.” (((Rather the point, I’d be thinking. This behavior is trolling made physically manifest.))) More fundamentally unnerving, some say, is the Free Staters’ efforts to secure government positions, with the goal of whittling down or eliminating them. The Free State Project’s president, Varrin Swearingen, said in a telephone interview there are four state representatives with ties to the project and a “double-digit number” on local boards and commissions. He declined to release their names, saying to do so would violate their privacy, though he said some have “outed” themselves. The officials already are wielding influence, he said. For example, a Free Stater elected to a planning board in a town near Keene, which he would not identify, swayed the board to vote against a zoning ordinance restricting new big box stores, a measure the Free State member said unfairly restricted property rights. (((Yay Wal-Mart! Liberty forever!)))
The Free State Project is the brainchild of Jason Sorens, a State University of New York-Buffalo political science professor who published an article in 2001 in the online magazine Libertarian Enterprise outlining the idea. “Government should be there to protect people’s rights but otherwise allow for the maximum amount of freedom,” Sorens said in a telephone interview. “It goes back to John Locke and Thomas Jefferson.” The article made a splash in libertarian circles, and in 2003, some 2,500 followers of Sorens voted to make New Hampshire their laboratory, believing that the state’s flinty individualism would jibe with its view of small government, limited to “protecting life, liberty, and property.” Then former governor Craig Benson endorsed the group’s plan, and would-be revolutionaries began trickling into the state. Unlike militia groups in the West, (((sorta))) Free Staters are not loners who seek to live solitary existences undisturbed by government intrusion. “You tend to find people [in the Free State Project] who are happy to live in cities and towns and who want to persuade people that freedom is better than tyranny,” Swearingen said in an interview.
There was no concerted plan to make Keene a focal point. But when high-profile activists, such as Ian “Freeman” Bernard, host of “Free Talk Live,” (((he must be a lively guy))) a nationally syndicated radio program, and Lauren Canario, a veteran civil disobedience activist, (((her too))) found their way here, others followed. Today, Keene counts several dozen outspoken Free Staters and more who operate less flamboyantly. The Keene Free Staters tend toward the far end of the Free State Project spectrum, believing that government should not just be limited, but eradicated.
On a recent day, six Free Staters gathered at a Panera’s in Keene to talk about the Project. The members hailed from across the country — Oklahoma, Florida, California, Nevada. Many are single men; the majority are computer programmers. (((Does this revelation surprise you? Me neither.))) They tend to speak in precise diction and with overarching politeness. (((Well put, Sarah.))) But at the mention of government, they betray a brimming anger and declare zealous dedication to the Free State Project. “Short of death — no limits,” said Canario, the lone woman at the gathering, who spent over a month in jail when she refused to provide identification or speak to a police officer who pulled her over for speeding. (((Okay, when you see one lone woman at a meeting of programmers and she’s all like “short of death no limits,” we’re looking at a Joan of Arc scene. I hope somebody has the movie rights to this.)))
The Free Staters said they have no plans to temper their acts of civil disobedience, and if anything, will ramp up their attacks on the court system for not permitting them to film in the lobby. (Court officials say the ban is necessary to prevent the filming of children or domestic violence victims who may be present in the lobby.) (((Oooooo.))) But Free Staters, keenly aware of their image, have undertaken a public relations campaign. Hoping to end the use of parking meters, Free Staters have fanned out across Keene on recent afternoons to place nickels in expired meters, leaving notes on windshields signed “Robin of Keene.”
For inspiration, they say they need look no further than to Miller’s jailing and hunger strike, which he ended Sunday. The 30-something son of a Dallas police officer faces one misdemeanor count of resisting arrest, said Miller and Ivy Walker, his acting legal counsel. During an interview in the airless visitors room of Cheshire County Jail, Miller said he has scratched “FreeKeene” into a wall with his thumb (((with his thumb. Nice one.))) and befriended other inmates, who gave him their milk. Still, he said, jail has only reinforced his abiding conviction that government, as constituted, is an enslaver. ”I see Free Staters as the modern-day abolitionists,” he said. (((Okay, ADBUSTERS goes for nihilist revolution while Libertarians are feeding nickels to parking meters — I think it’s time to ratchet the BEYOND THE BEYOND “Political Instability Meter” to “Condition Orange.”)))
http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2009/06/libertarian-direct-civil-disobedience/
News & Views for Anarchists & Activists: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
The Free State Project: http://www.freestateproject.org/ http://tinyurl.com/mv5dnm
http://tinyurl.com/m3h8ek
Still assuming, huh?...
And SLJB will be permanently Cease Traded in Ontario.
And IMO the SEC will then begin its actions in the USA.
jmo
You know better than that. Your government may be a bunch of ninnies, but even they aren't dumb enough to punish a man for being victimized by con artists.
As for the SEC...They will most certainly go after Vuccicevich and De Vries for defrauding SLJB and its shareholders. The U.S. does not punish victims of fraudsters, so SLJB obviously won't be bothered.
earnie, The real truth is...
You're a very sharp guy...you've known for a long while what the real issues are yet you continue your straw man denigration of SLJB and SS.
Why not just sit back and let the OSC and the RCMP do their jobs? In the end SS will get a small fine for stupidity and Vucicevich, DeVries, et al will be prosecuted for fraud.
SO, WHICH IS IT...
I have talked to JB about the matter ... and his comments were made a long time ago before most of the allegations started to show their ugly face.
OR:
The whole "its only a prospectus issue" and "Jim Bishop said" garbage comes straight from pumping HQ in Elmira.
????????
THE SIMPLE TRUTH IS THAT NOTHING HAS ACTUALLY CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO SLJB AND MR. SULJA SINCE JB MADE HIS ORIGINAL STATEMENT. IN FACT, THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE IS THE ALLEGATION THAT PV SCAMMED SS/SLJB OUT OF MILLIONS OF SHARES AND SOLD THEM ILLEGALLY.
IN OTHER WORDS, MR. SULJA AND SLJB ARE BEING CRUCIFIED ON MSG BOARDS FOR BEING SCAMMED BY A CON MAN.
In all actuality, then...
SS and SLJB are only accused of issuing "misleading statements" and failure to file a prospectus!
I have posted the OSC's 7 Allegations of Violations of the Ontario Securities Act many times.
You have to go through the Act by section number and compare it to the Statement of Allegations laid by the OSC.
In short they are:
1. Failure to file a prospectus;
2. Issuing misleading information (2 counts);
3. Selling unregistered shares;
4. Manipulative trading practices;
5. Conduct contrary to the public interest;
6. Fraud.
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/Enforcement/Proceedings/SOA/soa_20080616_sulja.jsp
II. ALLEGATIONS
10. Staff make the following specific allegations:
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Vucicevich, Kore, DeVries, Banumus, Shah, and Sam Sulja directly or indirectly, engaged or participated in an act, practice or course of conduct relating to the securities of Sulja Nevada (for greater certainty, in this Part the securities of Sulja Nevada also include the securities of its predecessor companies Loftworks, Loftwerks, and Sulja Bros. Building Products Inc.) that they knew or reasonably ought to have known resulted in or contributed to a misleading appearance of trading activity in, or an artificial price for, the securities of Sulja Nevada contrary to section 126.1(a) of the Act;
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Vucicevich and DeVries traded securities of Sulja Nevada that was a distribution of the securities without a preliminary prospectus and prospectus having been filed and receipts having been issued for them by the Director and without an exemption from the prospectus requirement contrary to section 53(1) of the Act;
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Vucicevich and DeVries traded securities of Sulja Nevada while not registered in accordance with Ontario securities law to trade securities contrary to section 25 of the Act;
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Vucicevich and DeVries, directly or indirectly, engaged in or participated in an act, practice or course of conduct relating to Sulja Nevada securities that they knew or reasonably ought to have known perpetrated a fraud on other persons or companies contrary to section 126.1(b) of the Act;
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Sulja Nevada, Vucicevich, DeVries, and Steven Sulja made statements in the press releases of Sulja Nevada that they knew or reasonably ought to have known in a material respect and at the time and in light of all the circumstances under which they were made, were misleading or untrue or did not state a fact that was required to be stated or that was necessary to make the statement not misleading and would reasonably be expected to have a significant effect on the market price or value of Sulja Nevada securities contrary to section 126.2(1) of the Act;
Between February 6, 2006 and January 31, 2007, Sulja Nevada, Vucicevich, DeVries and Steven Sulja made statements in press releases being documents required to be furnished under Ontario securities law that, in a material respect and at the time and in light of the circumstances under which they were made, were misleading or untrue or did not state a fact that was required to be stated or that was necessary to make the statement not misleading contrary to section 122(1)(b) of the Act; and
Between February 6, 2006, and January 31, 2007, Banumus and Shah traded securities of Sulja Nevada as nominees of Vucicevich and participated in issuing misleading press releases and thereby acted as conduits for illegal activity which was conduct contrary to the public interest.
Post them please.
re; earnie's assumption...
cease trading has been in place for 30 months
Obvious
the RCMP have conducted a long investigation
Obvious
the CEO has been interviewed and disclosed there were no fabulous deals
A newspaper interview only...his disclosures to the OSC are unknown.
the OSC has laid detailed allegations against the company and its players
The OSC has dropped all charges against SLJB. The only 'player' known to be charged at this time is PV.
the RCMP/IMET have laid two criminal fraud charges against the ex-CEO
Deservedly so.
all operations have been closed
To all appearances...true.
many PR's have been proven to be wrong
True
an SEC inquiry was commenced
Unknown at this time.
The answer then must be .. yes, I believe that the above is sufficient to assume guilt.
Of whom...PV? That's a given.
The only thing Mr. Sulja may be guilty of is terminal stupidity for violating the prospectus statute. Jim Bishop put that issue in proper perspective by saying a slap-on-the-wrist $5k fine was the only probable real outcome for such a negligible offense.
i.e;...Any assumptions of business malfeasance on the part of SLJB or Mr. Sulja are, at best, extremely presumptive...and possibly, criminally libelous.
Okay. Then, how many shares...
are the Suljas sitting on?
Does anyone have a clue...
How many SLJB shares the TA is holding?
i.e; Are there even enough unsold shares to make the posited scenario worthwhile?
If not...That's that.
Briboy, Are U registered to vote?
It's called 'Latin'. LOL!
marketmann, As I've had no losses...
and your post was a reply to my old post complaining about the causation of a board atmosphere deleterious to SLJB shareholders, the 70%/30% was in reference to that only.
You obviously recognized the meaning of my post when you posted:
Posted by: marketmann Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 11:14:12 AM
In reply to: SloJon who wrote msg# 249146 Post #249241 of 299423 [Send a link via email]
is it still the posters, or have you seen the truth?
...in reply to this old post:
Posted by: SloJon Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:56:14 PM
In reply to: None Post #249146 of 299423 [Send a link via email]
Am I wrong?...
It appears to me many posting here have no stake in whether or not SLJB turns profitable. What right do these people have to continually disrupt this board w/ slanderous unproven allegations about our investment?
There's a new law that states it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name:
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
Does it apply specifically here?
YES!
marketmann, How about 70%/30%?...
You posted:
is it still the posters, or have you seen the truth?
...In reply to my two year, three month old post on this board:
Posted by: SloJon Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 12:56:14 PM
In reply to: None Post # of 299421 [Send a link via email]
Am I wrong?...
It appears to me many posting here have no stake in whether or not SLJB turns profitable. What right do these people have to continually disrupt this board w/ slanderous unproven allegations about our investment?
There's a new law that states it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name:
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html
Does it apply specifically here?
YES!
Don't you think it's about time you knock off your three year harassment campaign against SLJB shareholders as amply demonstrated by your post? C'mon...digging up a TWENTY SEVEN month old post to respond to just to provide a 'cover' for another instance of counting coup on a shareholder?
GROW UP ALREADY.
As for 'The Truth'...When the OSC revealed PV's sale of shares thru nominee 'innocents' BEFORE the 'release' of the 'audit', the scam was obvious. The only remaining question is SS's willing complicity. YOUR staunch defense of SS as an unknowing dupe opens the door for the idea that his good character will prompt him to place his successful private company into the shell and reap the success due him...AFTER the OSC investigation is complete of course.
Gurmani's recent official elevation to full partner in SS's private company indicates such is now a very viable probability. Why? Gurmani is a very sharp cookie who understands full well the possibilities for serious profit and doesn't mind one bit using SS to get it.
THAT'S your 'Truth' my friend.
earnie, Someday you'll figure...
out WHY the SEC has steadfastly REFUSED to do as you've asked repeatedly for over two years.
There is a reason you know.
Maybe not. The US has archaic securities laws.
The OSC halted trading in Ontario.
The ASC halted trading in Alberta.
If the SEC had followed suit ... this scam would be truly Toast.
jmo