Also validates Centrino
When the Centrino "bundle" first came out it was derided as just a marketing ploy. Now it appears the reason AMD laptops draw more power is the rest of the system... go figure.


Ya know what would be a good idea? For some company to take that "Platform" type design success of Centrino, and run with it across their product line, then......

Oh yeah I ALMOST forgot..... Some company IS doing that. Good thing, eh?



Man, I'm Sooooooo funny this morning, I SLAY me

Lance Armstrong seems quite happy to be videoed working with one of his laptops on his lap and it's not currently doing him any harm as I watch him cycling up and down French roads. .


Whew, well all I can say is, THANK GOD, that someone probably took that Laptop off of Lance's Lap, between "takes", because otherwise, he might not be smiling so much, if he had ended up ROASTING "The One" he has left

I bet the $50.00/Laptop sold, that his very fine Org gets, has a bit to do with his smile and his "laptop choice" too, eh? Maybe intel should ask the EU to investigate this "Anti Competitive behavior".

BTW, that is the ONLY reason I actually sort of hope, that this particular model sells well. And Yes, I'm currently wearing my LIVESTRONG Yellow Bracelet...... To honor Mom..... God Rest Her Soul.

I have 120 of them...... Want one?

so design and power of other components is important too in achieving a cool laptop .

So..... A potential AMD problem, is probably someone else's fault......

Got It

Right, no need for A Chip Maker, to check with the Laptop maker, to ask them if possibly their chips power/heat data, might contribute to their finished product, possibly roasting someone's nuts. That question probably just didn't occur to anyone at AMD, like it did to me, off the top of my head.

GO AMD!

"Keeping in mind that this is also a 64-bit chip vs. a 32-bit chip, Turion is starting to look less like a Centrino challenger and more like a Centrino Killer."


32/64, Hummmmmm..... Which so far, has failed to catapult Turdion, to the lofty heights predicted by the AMDroids. We'll see how much of a short term SALES advantage it gives. So far IMO, not.

I mean..... Not..... unless a person is interested in COOKING THEIR NUTS, that is

Also, what I couldn't help noticing, is that I seem to recall, that this person who's post you reference, I believe, is the same person, who once claimed that "Centrino Is Not Pulling It's Weight".

I'll be sure to file his current opinion, along with yours, in the same circular file

Yup. AMD is the technology leader...NOT.
Joey


Sure they are..... They're the ** HOT ** Technology Leader

Intel Declares Regular Cash Dividend

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050721/215578.html?.v=1
SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 21, 2005--The Intel Corporation board of directors has declared an $0.08 per share quarterly dividend on the company's common stock. The dividend is payable on Sept. 1, 2005 to stockholders of record on Aug. 7, 2005.

Re: Semi, maybe AMD can add QuakeCon in their lawsuit and claim Intel's not allowed to have "exclusive" sponsorship of the event.
Tenchu


Of course they will. After all, if it's a problem for AMD, then it must be intel's fault, right?

Is AMD finally starting to lose its marbles?

I'm sure that we can look forward to attacks on this person from the AMDroids, instead of addressing the content. Because then they might have to admit that the main root cause of AMD's poor sales, is not intel, but AMD.


http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1808/
I’m sure you noticed that AMD is going forward with their lawsuit against Intel where they claim that they’re being hampered in business by unfair business practices on Intel’s part. Many 3rd parties have been subpoenaed to disclose details of business deals made with Intel in an attempt to find proof for AMD’s claims. But aren’t they betting on the wrong horse here? Will getting proof of unfair business practices suddenly improve sales for AMD? I’m sure it wouldn’t as these sales are still dominated by the basic principles of price, availability and performance regardless of Intel’s business ethics. AMD will still need to be able to meet the price and volume requirements of their prospective clients regardless of the court’s ruling in this case.

Dean Of Stanford Engineering School Elected To Intel's Board Of Directors

http://intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20050720corp_a.htm
SANTA CLARA, Calif., July 20, 2005 -- Intel Corporation today announced that James D. Plummer, dean of the Stanford School of Engineering, has been elected to Intel's board of directors. With Plummer's election, the Intel board now consists of nine independent directors and two directors who are executive officers of Intel (CEO Paul Otellini and Chairman Craig Barrett).

AMD loses QuakeCon 2005 sponsorship to Intel

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24800
INTEL WILL BE SPONSORING this year's QuakeCon - a free gaming convention held in Dallas - it was revealed this month, in what could be a large blow to AMD's gaming fanbase.
As the official CPU and title sponsor of QuakeCon 2005, Intel will be providing its Extreme Edition tournament systems and servers to host the tournament and bring your own computer (BYOC) games. As AMD news site AMDzone.com says, with such close competition between Intel and AMD when it comes to high performance gaming, this could be bad news for AMD and tip the scales in Intel's favour.

the title was a play on semi's original,



Let me help you. Just fyi, and for accuracy sake, the title (as most of the ones I post are), was not my "original", it was cut/paste the Inq's. It would have been more accurate to state "The Inq's original", which btw, I did provide a link to. I would really appreciate it, if you would please try to be a little more accurate, if you make reference to me, in your posts in the future.

Thanks.

AMD Fanboys: Avert your eyes

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24709
Surely Driverheaven is bucking the trend when it says that the Pentium D 820 is faster than the X2 4800+. Surely some mistake ain't it? Nope. They even go on to say that it is a Phenomenal performer exceeding the X2 4800+, especially in Photoshop. Has Intel done something here? AMD fan boys look away.


http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/dualcoreintel/photoshop.htm
Most people are tired of running 3dmark and Pcmark and similar benchmarks, while these are visually attractive benchmarks they are not in many cases indicative of real world situations, this is not the case with photoshop. This is a real world application with a myriad of uses appealing to all users from digital photographers to budding graphic designers. It is also a wonderful test of all round system performance, specifically memory bandwidth and CPU processing power. Massive files are also a good test of hard drive access performance as photoshop will rely heavily for its "paging file".

The performance of the Pentium D in Photoshop use is noting short of amazing. We had to run the tests 5 or 6 times before we believed that they were correct however on every occasion the CPU was just as fast as that shown above. Even when comparing the £180 Pentium D 820 to the £750 X2 4800+ we see that the Intel chip just blows the AMD chip away. Percentage wise the 820 comes out 19% faster in total time taken to complete this hugely demanding test. It almost seems unfair to compare the 3800+ to the 820 however those are the two chips which are most comparable in terms of features and price. In that battle the Intel chip is 29% faster in completing all tests. There is no doubt that if you use Photoshop CS2 the benefits you would get from using the Pentium D are huge.

Conclusion

Comparing it to the slightly more expensive Athlon64 we see that the two chips have many similar features such as support for SSE3 and 64bit operating systems/software so it’s really down to how well the chip performs rather than just features when deciding which to buy. In direct comparison with the A64 the Pentium D is in my opinion the better choice for workstation and desktop tasks. In a few of our tests, such as encoding and zipping the Intel chip falls slightly behind the 3800+ due to bandwidth limitations, however its not by any significant margin.

In the tests utilising dual core the Pentium D completely crushes the more expensive Athlon64 3800+. Windows Media Video playback is a prime example of one such test. Additionally if you like to perform multiple tasks at once the Pentium D is the ideal choice for you, it handles multiple tasks much smoother than the single cored Athlon64.

It’s hard to believe that a company who have long been associated with high prices and lack of features have created a product which is by far the best value for money (in terms of performance and features) CPU on the market at this time. As dual core CPU’s become the standard more applications will make use of the technology and benefits gained from using the Pentium D will increase over the single core solutions.

In summary, how good is it? Well, the Pentium 4 820 is so good we even considered creating a new DH award category for it!

"Accordingly, Krewell sees the high-end server space becoming a battleground between two processor architectures. "It's head to head between the [IBM] Power 5 and Itanium," said Krewell. "Those seem to be the two key architectures that are slugging it out right now for supremacy."


I guess he hasn't been reading the opinions on the other thread, that Opteron is about to take over the server world. Real soon..... any time now..... won't be long..... yup, gonna happen..... just wait and see..... and wait..... and wait..... and wait.....

Oh, wait, I know, intel "obviously" must have paid MDR to say that. Along with paying Gartner, the SIA, or any other Market Research Group and/or Analyst, that says anything positive about intel, or does not instantly bow down before the greatness of anything that is AMD.

I forgot. Never mind, MDR is "obviously" also anti-competitive, and out to harm AMD. Get out the Lawyers AMD, it's time to sue MDR..... too.

Semi, I wonder if the EU will also raid the offices of OPEC and De Beers. After all, I think gas costs too much, not to mention the diamond engagement ring I got for my honey ...
Tenchu


Oh no, we can't have the EU pissing off their Middle Eastern oil suppliers like that. No, they won't raid OPEC offices, instead, I hear that "acting on a complaint from an unnamed company", The EU plans to raid the offices of Exxon, Shell, and ARCO, because it is obviously anti-competitive, for those American Oil Companies to charge less for gasoline in the US, then British Petroleum Company is charging in Europe.

No wonder BP can't get a large foothold in the American market, and continues to be a minor US fuel retailer. It's obviously due to the US Oil Cartel. It's "their" fault, and not possibly, anything related to BP's poor business decisions, or their non-existent US marketing efforts.

No, it's obviously those American Companies, that are holding BP down with their monopolistic practices. Those American Oil Cartel Bastards. How dare they not give BP, and their obviously superior product, their fair share of the US market. BTW, I think all the people in the EU, should also file a class action lawsuit against those imperialistic American Oil Company bastards, for keeping fuel prices high. Obviously high EU fuel prices are due to their US companies price fixing, so that's their fault too.

BTW, I know all this, because I read about it on the web, and anyway everybody knows it already, so it must be true, right?

Intel to drop high-end Napa chipset, beef up mainstream parts

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050712A4014.html
Intel plans to cancel development on the high-end 955XM chipset for its next-generation mobile platform, codenamed Napa, but beef-up the DDR2-memory support for the two remaining Napa chipsets still on its roadmap, according to sources in the motherboard industry.

maybe it is issues like this, that led AMD to believe
Intel was trying to handicap them:


I notice the terms he uses in his opinion, is that he finds it "Not acceptable". That may be so, in his opinion, but the current question is not whether an individual finds intel's practices "acceptable" or not, but rather, are they illegal? BTW, I think I already know your opinion on that one, so I'm just going to say that OK with letting the courts decide.

Windsock, you didn´t answer the question, when was the last time the EU Commission raided (or whatever wording you prefer) INTEL´s
offices?


Intel..... none.

And BTW, not that you thought to ask, or anything, but as far as other companies with offices in Europe, are concerned, In a short search of Google, I found 8 instances where the EU raided companies offices so far in 2005 alone. In those cases, (unlike some people's implication, apparently) no guilt was automatically assumed, due to the fact that a raid took place.


EU raids fruit firms over price-fixing claims
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/biz/archives/2005/06/05/2003258081

Fyffes raided in EU competition probe
http://www.rte.ie/business/2005/0603/fyffes.html

VNU, ACNielsen Offices Raided by E.U.
http://www.marketingvox.com/archives/2005/04/25/vnu_acnielsen_offices_raided_by_eu/

Saint-Gobain, Pilkington, Asahi Raided in EU Probe
http://www.glassonweb.com/news/index/3283/

Budget Airlines Raided in Price-Fixing Probe
http://www.deutsche-welle.de/dw/briefs/0,1574,1616126,00.html

TINE raided by competition authority (Norway)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345333/posts

Police raid offices of numerous forest companies over cartel suspicions
http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1076152834089

Australia's No. 1 Supercomputer Now Available to Researchers at APAC National Facility

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050708/sff037.html?.v=14
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif., July 8 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- More than 600 scientists and researchers throughout Australia now have access to the most powerful supercomputer on the continent, as the Australian Partnership for Advanced Computing (APAC) starts its deployment of an SGI® Altix® supercomputer powered by 1,680 Intel® Itanium® 2 processors.

Dixons disses AMD claims

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/07/11/dixons_amd_intel/
Dixons is considering legal action in response to AMD's naming of the company in anti-trust filings made in the US.

AMD has filed an anti-trust suit against Intel accusing the chip giant of pressurising partners to restrict AMD's market share. Papers filed with the district court in Delaware name 38 companies including Dixons. Dell, Sony, NEC and Hitachi were all pushed into exclusive or partly exclusive deals with Intel, the papers allege.

But the UK's favourite retailer is not happy. In a statement released last week Dixons described the allegations as "poorly-researched and false" and said it was driven by customer demands not rebates offered by manufacturers.

Specifically Dixons refutes the implication in the filing that it has an exclusive agreement with Intel. The statement continues: "Whilst we cannot disclose supplier market share, DSG Retail Ltd wishes to categorically refute AMD’s allegation that the Group has “agreed to keep AMD's share of business below 10%” and in fact is incorrect."

Meanwhile for those of us who live in the real world....




How Ironic......

Intel's Q2 Seen 'Incrementally Positive'

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/07/08/0708automarketscan11.html
Bear Stearns maintained an "outperform" rating on Intel (nasdaq: INTC - news - people ) ahead of the semiconductor bellwether's earnings report for the second quarter, saying recent supply chain checks indicate an "incrementally positive" near-term outlook.

i865PE supports dual core Pentium 4

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24487
Asrock is well known for being an "extreme" innovator. They have proved it more than once. And their price is more than competitive. They've done it once more with the release of the 775i68PE which is a i865PE based board which is compatible with Intel's Dual Core processors.

Intel still king of cheap dual core chips

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24488
IF YOU are looking for a cheap dual core rig, the cheapest you will get is still an Intel one. It might not that much powerful but will still do the job. Buy that Intel BOXD945GCZL microBTX motherboard for $114, 1GB of GEIL DDR2 SDRAM at $95.57 and the Intel Pentium D 820 at $245, from Newegg and Xtremegear respectively.

Even if you give in to AMD's argument that Opteron was stiffed by Intel at the volume distributor level, how in the world would Intel have subverted AMD to these very independent end users?


Oh, haven't you heard? Intel's Black Shirt Squad (TM), has been working on mind control techniques, to control all those pesky independent thinkers. Here's "Proof"....... BTW, I'll be filing a class action lawsuit, with a very public legal brief, along with "classy" newspaper ads, shortly.

Now it can be revealed, for the first time. I have several "Sources", that "Report The Fact", to me, that intel's super secret, iBRAIN technology, Not to mention automatic involuntary iARMTWIST software, exerts mind control, over all computer users, and especially buyers, so that even if their brain signals tell their mouths to say "Opteron", it comes out "XEON", or "PENTIUM", or "ITANIUM".

And I KNOW the story MUST be true, because otherwise, I'm SURE, that all those fools...... ummmmm, I mean people, buying intel products would, "certainly" otherwise have purchased AMD. Proving once again, that any, and all AMD shortcomings, and/or problems, are all intel's fault. Besides, since my sources say it, and everybody already knows it anyway, then it obviously must be true, eh?

RE: this was just one old article I found there are more recent articles.......


Thanks! <eom>

You better hope AMD is not still working on finfets


BTL: So, if I'm reading the reference correctly, the main issue with finfets, seems to be the body thickness, and the Fab difficulties, but then the article goes on to suggest a solution....


As the transistors scale to Lg=20nm, the body
thickness will need to be of the order of 6-7nm. Apart from
the fabrication issues for such thin bodies discussed
above, the increase in series resistance arising from ultrathin junctions will limit transistor drive currents........


The solution to the drive current issue (from external
parasitic resistance) is to use raised source/drain, which
increases the effective thickness of the junctions and
hence the junction conductance.....


So, am I missing something, or could not AMD's PE's have figured out that raised S/D solution too?

Trends point to monthly chip market in annual decline from June

http://www.eet.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=D02JN5IFSFVWKQSNDBESKHA?articleID=16560034...
LONDON — Steadily declining annual growth rates for the actual semiconductor sales in the months of January through May, both globally and for the Asia-Pacific region, indicate that year-to-year growth will have evaporated in June and that the market could be in for a period of annual decline, according to statistics from the Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA).

This could put into jeopardy forecasts from some market forecasters that, following the working through of an inventory correction, the second-half of 2005 could show a resumption of strong growth and produce strong growth for the semiconductor market in 2005 compared with 2004 (see story).

Chipset shortage and falling prices to push Intel 915 platform to mainstream

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050707A4012.html
According to sources in the motherboard industry, Intel’s 915 platform may become the mainstream motherboard platform this quarter, as the FOB (free on board) price of 915-based motherboards is expected to fall below US$80.

However, another reason the 915 platform is moving to the mainstream is that a tight supply of 845 and 865 chipsets remains in the market, other sources indicated.

Market Pulse: Intel invests in new digital entertainment co ClickStar

http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsmb/050706/d92533468e9c4128a89030504bffeadb.html?.v=1
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Intel Corp. said Wednesday that it has made an investment in ClickStar Inc., a new digital entertainment company formed by Revelations Entertainment.

Intel and Corning Enter Joint Development Agreement for Extreme Ultraviolet Photomask Substrates

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050706/65548.html?.v=1
Focused on ULE(R) Glass Photomask Substrates for Extreme Ultraviolet

CORNING, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--July 6, 2005--Intel Corporation and Corning Incorporated (NYSE:GLW - News) have entered into an agreement to develop ultra low thermal expansion ULE® glass photomask substrates required for Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography technology. These substrates are needed to develop low defect EUV photomasks to enable 32nm node high-volume production using EUV lithography.

Market Pulse: UBS boosts Intel's second-quarter financial targets


http://biz.yahoo.com/cbsmb/050706/856b95206df844308837e9dd1115dbe0.html?.v=1
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- UBS on Wednesday raised its second-quarter estimates on Intel Corp. , citing strong sales of laptop chips. UBS boosted its forecast to 33 cents a share on sales of $9.3 billion, up from its prior estimate of 32 cents a share on sales of $9.2 billion. Intel, the world's largest chipmaker, reports earnings July 19. The stock rose 10 cents to $26.78 in early trading.

Gateway touts 64-bit PCs

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5769956.html
Gateway has announced new desktop PCs featuring 64-bit dual-core processors and the Windows XP Media Center operating system.

One model, the 840GM, is powered by Intel's 3GHz Pentium D 830 dual-core processor. The 835GM, meanwhile, is based on the 2.8GHz Pentium D 820 dual-core processor.

The computer maker also released the 831GM, which runs on a 3GHz Pentium 4 processor 630.

All three computers will be available through retail outlets.

Sprint, Motorola Partner on WiMax

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nf/20050701/bs_nf/37011
Sprint (NYSE: FON - news) has hooked up with Motorola (NYSE: MOT - news) to roll out a next-generation wireless broadband service that promises to offer users an array of multimedia options based on the relatively new WiMax networking technology.

Earlier this year, Sprint inked a similar agreement with chip giant Intel (Nasdaq: INTC - news), a key player in driving WiMax technology. As part of the agreement with Intel, Sprint will collaborate on technical specifications, run equipment trials and conduct interoperability testing for wireless broadband devices and services.

Wi-Fi Installation Covers Entire Native American Reservation

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=74&e=4&u=/cmp/20050630/tc_cmp/164904041
All it took was a wireless demonstration utilizing a base station configuration that provided Wi-Fi coverage over 13 miles to prompt the Coeur d'Alene tribe to install Broadband Internet access to cover the tribe's entire reservation in Idaho...... The reservation covers some 345,000 acres of farm country along the western edge of the Rocky Mountains in northern Idaho.

Jack Kilby, co-inventor of the IC, dies at 81

http://www.eet.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=V2GBJLLBPNLQEQSNDBESKHA?articleID=16490150...
MANHASSET, N.Y. — Jack St. Clair Kilby, retired TI engineer and acknowledged as the first inventor of the integrated circuit, passed away in Dallas Monday (June 20) after a brief battle with cancer.

He was 81.

Considered a pioneer of the microelectronics age, Kilby invented the first monolithic integrated circuit, laying the foundation for a wave of miniaturization and integration that continues at a rapid pace. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2000 for his role in the invention of the integrated circuit.

Mike Mageek, On Journalistic Integrity

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24257
* AMD LAWYERS had better not try and subpoena INQ journalists. We will fight that tooth and nail, and there will be blood, we assure you, if it tries.


Yeah, more likely, I'm guessing, that Mike's Lawyers very recently explained to him the difference between writing a "I heard from a source, so it must be true" story, and the US Legal standard for evidence, and/or the penalties for purjury.

A poster on AMD/SI has determined that Montecito's extraordinary FP performance is proof of how scared Intel is of Opteron...


Hey, if I were intel, I'd be scared too. I know that every time I have to hual a Ton Of Money to the bank, it scares the crap out of me

So, that data seems to fly in the face of the opinion that Opteron was not only going to spank I2, but take away Xeon's thunder. Looks like saleswise, it's XEON doing the spanking on everybody

Intel To The MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

GO INTEL!

“From increasing the accuracy of global weather forecasts to helping to improve the safety of manned space flight, the majority of scientists and engineers depend on Intel-based super computers more than any other computing system, according to the latest TOP500 list.


Obviously, Intels Black Shirt Squad, has Strong Armed Hans Meuer, Erich Strohmaier, Horst Simon, and Jack Dongarra to say that, and they probably also paid off Top 500, and Businesswire, to write those articles.

No Doubt

Semi, my observation was slightly different. What I was observing was that you find a greater instance of anti-AMD/ anti-AMD investor comments posted on the Intel board than you find anti-Intel/anti-Intel investor comments posted on the AMD board.
In other words, there is more time spent bashing investors/fans of AMD on the Intel board than there is of bashing investors/fans of Intel on the AMD board (your reply is an interesting example). Maybe it is justified by a need to respond to partisans from the other board cross posting here or vice versa.


The thing is, I believe that your basic observation is incorrect, and possibly based on limited data. The reason is, that I don't believe that you frequent the boards enough to make it an "accurate" observation. Your posts seem to indicate that you visit ~ once per week, and I just find it hard to believe that you invest the time, and effort to review all the posts of the past week, on both boards.

True, it may be that you "lurk" more then you "post", but based on the frequency of your posts, I think that your "data collection" methods that you are basing your observation on, are flawed. I also base that conclusion, on "my observation", of a review that I just did, of the general tone of your posts. They indicate to me, that you possibly have an AMD Fan bias, which leads me to suspect, that your observations are most likely tinged by rose coloring. Nothing wrong with bias, as long as the the person realizes it, and can admit it to themselves. In that way, their observations will have a tendency to be more accurate.