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>>>He envisions bankrupting this country with his "entitlement programs" and Govt giveaways.<<<
well then I guess the choice is between bankrupting the country with programs and giveaways to iraqis and iranians and bankrupting us with programs and giveaways to americans. I choose the latter.
>>>path is clear for McCain - just what this country needs, a 72yr old war monger who continually looks backwards!<<<
He's getting a lot of media help as we knew he would. MSNBC has spent all afternoon on him and Chris Matthews declared today "a great day in american politics" after he concluded McCain will be the R nominee with Romney gone.
>>>I cant help your math, its something that you will have to deal with<<<
Thought math was one of your best subjects...
>>>American Citizens start shooting the illegal aliens at the border. Its coming any day now. Going to get some popcorn and watch it on tv every night. LOL.<<<
All by yourself I take it.....except for the cheap beer, the rottweilers on the porch and the rats in the kitchen.
>>>you look at the numbers and make a conclusion<<<
I did and came up with this....three days ago:
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=26531181
Where's the problem?
>>>do you understand polynomial arithmetic? the statement is true<<<
I know what it means but I don't know how you use it to concludes I would be safer in Baghdad than in Detroit. Maybe because I would wear body armor in Baghdad?
Say no to what?
>>>we still have the national guard here since the storm<<<
And I bet you didn't know what function they could have been asked to perform.....until just recently. I sure didn't.
Going back to 2006......ignored by the media:
"Last year, Congress quietly made it easier for this President or any President to declare martial law.
This significant change was made without consulting the Nation’s Governors, mayors, sheriffs, or the National Guard Adjutants General. It was made without consulting the other relevant policy committees in the Senate and the House. It was merely slipped in, at the Administration’s request, as rider to a bill that was hundreds of pages long. And when the Nation’s Governors learned of the change and expressed their strong opposition, they were ignored, and this facilitation of presidential ability to federalize the National Guard – even over the objections of the Nation’s Governors -- remained in the bill that was signed into law by President Bush.
Now this President and future Presidents can more easily take control of the National Guard and use our entire military apparatus for law enforcement at home. In a situation like another Katrina or even a more contained incident like a terrorist incident, the President will be able to bring in federal troops and take away control from the Governors, the Emergency Managers, the Sheriffs, and the state Adjutants General who know their communities best and are responsible for responding."
http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200702/020707.html
Order restored a week ago:
"In a difficult and highly unusual legislative achievement, Leahy also achieved repeal of the so-called Insurrection Act Rider, attached to the 2006 defense policy bill, which had made it easier for presidents to take control of the National Guard from governors and to use the U.S. military for domestic law enforcement."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080130/pl_usnw/bush_signs_bill_enacting_leahy_bond_national_guard_empowerment_reforms__and_their_repealer_of_the____insurrection_act_rider
Credit where it's due. Bush has been effective in using national tragedies as excuses to build a police state foundation. Effective enough where 29% still haven't even noticed.....
You'd think but not even close. Baltimore has 650,000 people and had 269 murders in 2005 or 22/month. Since the US population in Iraq is only 150,000 though or 77% smaller than Baltimore, you need to reduce the murder rate by the same figure which brings it to 5/month. In other words, the murder rate of americans in Iraq is 800% higher than the most crime ridden cities in the US. And that's using the lowest monthly casualty figures since the war began.
>>>a young American male would have been safer in Iraq than in some of America's inner cities.<<<
Good. I like authors who confess they're retarded liars in the first column where no time is wasted on reading the rest of their trash.
What US city has 150,000 citizens and upwards of 40 murders a month?
>>>what a civilization. the finest from 1400 years of tactics<<<
Right. And Bush said....."let's go in, guns, bombs and tanks blazing and create a democracy in the middle of it all. " Just need to kill a lot of them and educate the survivors. Give 'em a taste of freedom and it all comes together by itself or with oil money".
Pretty close?
>>>Should there be any more doubt about how the Clintons operate?<<<
"JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: You're a tough guy to keep up with, Wolf. The two apparent front-runners now are Hillary Clinton and John McCain. And if nothing changes, this is the choice we'll have for president of the United States.
Hillary's part of the monopoly on the White House. Between the Clintons and the Bushes, it goes back 28 years. Her husband is a two- term president. She's a former first lady, current member of the Senate. She's a poster child for the Washington establishment.
McCain has been a part of Washington for 26 years. A two-term congressman, he's been a senator since 1986. He's been running for president for the last eight years, in case you hadn't noticed. Another Washington insider.
Ask anyone what they think about our government these days, and most people will be only too happy to tell you. They are not happy. I get thousands of letters every week from people who are angry about health care and immigration and the war and the economy. You name it. The consensus is our government is broken and this country is in trouble.
The problems they complain about exist solely because of the actions of the Democrats and Republicans in Washington, D.C. The political establishment, if you will, that's in bed with the lobbyists and the corporations and the special interests and, quite frankly, couldn't care less about you, except now, at election time, when they need you.
They travel the country, they spew the same tired rhetoric we have heard for years. And like lemmings we appear now to be on the brink of continuing to send one of them to the White House.
Somebody said once the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Well, here's the question: When it comes right down to it, why won't we really vote to change things?"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/30/sitroom.01.html
>>>You could psot about horrible murders in any big city in the US daily and claim our streets are unsafe<<<
Spin's getting better all the time. Iraqi mass murder via suicide bombs and roadside bombs picking off one US troop after another is now equal to random US street violence. No big deal.
WASHINGTON, Jan. 29, 2008
(CBS/AP) The Bush administration is sending strong signals that U.S. troop reductions in Iraq will slow or stop altogether this summer, a move that would jeopardize hopes of relieving strain on the Army and Marine Corps and revive debate over an open-ended U.S. commitment in Iraq.
The indications of a likely slowdown reflect concern by U.S. commanders that the improvement in security in Iraq since June - to a degree few had predicted when President Bush ordered five more Army brigades to Iraq a year ago - is tenuous and could be reversed if the extra troops come out too soon.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/29/iraq/main3767801.shtml
>>>McCain-Obama ‘08, anyone?<<<
Think Iraq policy may be a problem? McCain wants to stay there for 100 years "or even a million years" and Obama wants out tomorrow. Maybe they'll meet in the middle at half a million years.....?
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080107/20080107006425.html?.v=1
>>>Murtha and many other congress people formerly against the war have all admitted progress is being made, yet you still pathetically hold on to your wish taht Iraq is still torn by civil war<<<
Wow......somebody says "progress" and the civil war is over? Or what metrics do you rely on?
(CBS/AP) A roadside bomb killed five American soldiers Monday in Iraq's northern Ninevah province, the U.S. military said.
The military did not provide more details, but the attack occurred days after a massive house explosion followed by a suicide attack left some 40 people dead in the provincial capital of Mosul.
Two U.S. soldiers were killed in separate bombings in Baghdad, the military said Sunday.
One Multi-National Division - Baghdad soldier died Sunday after the soldier's vehicle was struck by a roadside bomb in northeastern Baghdad, according to a statement.
Another soldier was killed Saturday by a bomb during a foot patrol near Kazimiyah, a predominantly Shiite neighborhood in northern Baghdad, the military said separately.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/28/iraq/main3758938.shtml
>>>First you complain that they aren't defending their own country and then you say it's terrible that t hey are<<<
You're one of the biggest liars on the board......I hope you know that. I didn't say it's a terrible thing that Iraqis are defending themselves (about time). I said the fact that they are is the reason US casualties are down.
Five years, 3 trillion dollars and 4,000 troops invested so far and you point to a raging civil war as proof of success.
>>>I guess you must have blocked out the great decrease in casualties and the political progress made.<<<
Didn't block anything out but you did and you always do. Even general Patraeus admits that the only reason US casualties are down is that Iraqis are out there dying instead of americans. This is "progress".......especially considering how this whole thing got started?
Sunday morning:
BLITZER: The Iraqi security forces, the soldiers and police, well over 550,000 now that they say they have, 343,000 police and 208,000 ministry of defense soldiers, another 4,000 or so special operations forces.
Why aren't they capable yet of taking charge and defending their own country?
PETRAEUS: Well, in fact, Wolf, this are shouldering more and more and more of the security burdens. And I think the most clear indicator of that, the clearest indicator, is the fact that their losses are about approaching three times our losses. They are out there. They are out front in many areas.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/27/le.01.html
>>>I'll give you a quick update-- WE ARE WINNING<<<
Winning what?
>>>Please explain in detail how those stats are Bush's fault.<<<
You can debate forever and a day over who's at fault for what but there's no debate over who's been at the desk. You know..the desk where the buck stops with real leaders. As you bend over backwards to defend this piece of shit he's racking up new records as a matter of routine. The kind of records all failed presidencies of the future will be measured against to make them look good.
Study: 935 False Statements Led To War
Mr. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al Qaeda, the study found.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/national/main3741706.shtml
Under the Bush Administration, Real GDP has grown at an average annual rate of 2.5 percent,[56] considerably below the average for business cycles from 1949 to 2000.
The on-budget deficit for 2006 was US$434 billion, a change from an US$86 billion surplus in 2000.[61] Inflation-adjusted median household income has been flat while the nation's poverty rate has increased.[62] By August 23, 2007, the national debt had officially risen to US$8.98 trillion dollars; the national debt has increased US$3.25 trillion dollars since Bush took office.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush
The number of Americans living in poverty jumped to 35.9 million last year, up by 1.3 million, while the number of those without health care insurance rose to 45 million from 43.6 million in 2002, the U.S. government said in a report Thursday.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/26/news/economy/poverty_survey/
Sales of existing homes fell in December, closing out a horrible year for housing in which sales of single-family homes plunged by the largest amount in 25 years. The median home price dropped for the entire year, the first time that has occurred in four decades.
That was the first annual price decline on records going back to 1968. Lawrence Yun, the Realtors' chief economist, said it was likely that the country has not experienced a decline in housing prices for an entire year since the Great Depression of the 1930s.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/24/business/realestate/main3747925.shtml
Well....let's keep it simple. I happen to think that calling a health care system that leaves 15% of the population without coverage and forces 2 million citizens a year into personal bankruptcy "the best system in the world" is dishonest. And yet it's repeated and unchallenged almost daily in the political circuit.
Study: 935 False Statements Led To War
WASHINGTON, Jan. 23, 2008
Study: 935 False Statements Led To War
(AP) A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.
The study concluded that the statements "were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses."
The study was posted Tuesday on the Web site of the Center for Public Integrity, which worked with the Fund for Independence in Journalism.
White House spokesman Scott Stanzel did not comment on the merits of the study Tuesday night but reiterated the administration's position that the world community viewed Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, as a threat.
"The actions taken in 2003 were based on the collective judgment of intelligence agencies around the world," Stanzel said.
The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Mr. Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al Qaeda or both.
"It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to al Qaeda," according to Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith of the Fund for Independence in Journalism staff members, writing an overview of the study. "In short, the Bush administration led the nation to war on the basis of erroneous information that it methodically propagated and that culminated in military action against Iraq on March 19, 2003."
Named in the study along with Mr. Bush were top officials of the administration during the period studied: Vice President Dick Cheney, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan.
Mr. Bush led with 259 false statements, 231 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 28 about Iraq's links to al Qaeda, the study found. That was second only to Powell's 244 false statements about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and 10 about Iraq and al Qaeda.
The center said the study was based on a database created with public statements over the two years beginning on Sept. 11, 2001, and information from more than 25 government reports, books, articles, speeches and interviews.
"The cumulative effect of these false statements - amplified by thousands of news stories and broadcasts - was massive, with the media coverage creating an almost impenetrable din for several critical months in the run-up to war," the study concluded.
"Some journalists - indeed, even some entire news organizations - have since acknowledged that their coverage during those prewar months was far too deferential and uncritical. These mea culpas notwithstanding, much of the wall-to-wall media coverage provided additional, 'independent' validation of the Bush administration's false statements about Iraq," it said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/national/main3741706.shtml
Extel........if you've read this far, still no evidence that Bush lied us into war? Just bad luck and bad advice which certainly wasn't his fault.....right?
>>>Healthcare in Australia<<<
Doesn't sound all that bad and there's no mention of personal bankruptcies due to medical bills. Here with "the finest health care system in the world", medical bills is the leading cause of chapter 7 filings for individuals. And most of those who were wiped out were actually covered by the best system in the world.
"Costly illnesses trigger about half of all personal bankruptcies, and most of those who go bankrupt because of medical problems have health insurance, according to findings from a Harvard University study to be released Wednesday.
Researchers from Harvard’s law and medical schools said the findings underscore the inadequacy of many private insurance plans that offer worst-case catastrophic coverage, but little financial security for less severe illnesses.
“Unless you’re Bill Gates, you’re just one serious illness away from bankruptcy,” said Dr. David Himmelstein, the study’s lead author and an associate professor of medicine. “Most of the medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895896/
There's zero evidence of the US health care system being the best in the world and yet leading politicians including republican candidates for president keep saying it. To the contrary......it may actually be one of the worst systems in the world, especially from a moral standpoint since a lot of people make obscene amounts of money off of it while citizens who get sick or have an accident are financially destroyed for life.
>>>I think it was inevitable that Pakistan would be the end game. It was clear AQ would leave Afghanistan for Pakistan.......
The lat line of the article is just pointless Bush bashing, however<<<
Aren't you arguing against yourself now? Many of those you call Bush bashers have said all along that all games including the end game should have been played in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But oh no.......the central front was definitely in Iraq and should be expanded into Iran. Remember? So now we're nation building in Iraq instead of taking down AQ camps where everyone have known they've been all along. So tell me.......am I not actually agreeing with you to some extent or am I Bush bashing because I don't agree 100%?
Canada: U.S. Added To Torture Watch List
(CBS) A training manual for Canadian diplomats, produced by the Department of Foreign Affairs, includes the United States among countries which potentially use torture on prisoners.
The New York Times reported that a foreign ministry spokesperson confirmed the contents of the manual.
The manual - a PowerPoint presentation - is for training diplomats in protecting Canadian citizens who may be detained and subject to abuse in other countries.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/18/world/main3728128.shtml
>>>They have this deep seated hatred (IMO) because their hero Bill Clinton was mistreated in their eyes and all they want is revenge<<<
And that's all it is.......misguided tit for tat? Listening to your drivel one would think you're talking about a hugely successful president, beloved by the world and most americans rather than a bumbling retard who's hated across the globe and merely tolerated by one in four americans. Not even his biggest fans can explain what the hell they like about him or what good they think he's done.
You're a real piece of work I have you know.
Like I said.....if you had bothered to read, no negatives if it's a clean pork removal bill without a bunch of ifs, ands and buts. Just don't think that'll be the case since it's not his style. The only time he changes anything in Washington is if it gives himself, his donors and his party an edge. We'll see....
>>>I can't conceive of anyone who would be against something that would only have positive results<<<
I can't either but forgive those of us who might be a bit skeptical at this point. For the past 7 years, everything Bush has sold as positive for everyone has turned out to be positive for a few lucky.......typically himself, Dick and anyone who wrote checks big enough payable to the gop. But trust him on this....right?
>>>Thus he is used to working in a bipartisan fashion,<<<
He sure is. Looking forward to more of it.
"I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution," Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do -- to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Huckabee_Amend_Constitution_to_meet_Gods_0115.html
Cause if you think about it.......what better way of bringing the country together than to insist we trash the republic in favor of a theocracy?
>>>My biggest problem with McCain is, the lack of management experience.<<<
And the biggest problem for independents and moderate democrats.........
>>>bullshit. The liberal media cost many lives in war.Thats a fact<<<
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>>>As usual your point has nothing to do with my response to soxfan's post<<<
Sure it does....if you expand on what your response entails. The whole republican health care solution is a sad joke of ramblings about tax credits, personal responsibility and half ass fixes that amount to nothing more than an excuse to leave things alone.
Some freak in your camp whose name I probably chose to forget actually said with a straight face that if only people would eat more nuts and apples, most of our health care problems would go away. Which sums up the way the modern republican looks at all problems. Always starts with "if only people would", but never ever addresses the fact that the country is 300 years old now and 76% of us (100% - 24%) have figured out that a large percentage of citizens won't always do the right thing so you may as well find an efficient way of coping with that instead of accepting further deterioration by offering tax credits to do what they've already demonstrated they won't do.
Nicely summed up. I'd take it one step further and argue that theocons like extel and eddy have less in common with real republican values than those they label socialists here almost daily.
>>>Insurance is optional and is not a constitutionally guaranteed right.<<<
Ever wonder why every civilized, industrial country in the western world except the US decided decades ago that health insurance must be a constitutionally guaranteed right? Is it the usual thing that they're all wrong and should learn from the american model instead of self destructing through the socialistic model?
The american model being the one that supports socialized fire departments that spend millions or billions of $$ each year putting out fires started by idiots who smoke or throw blankets over space heaters but refuses to support a health care system that guarantees affordable treatment to the victims of those fires. That's a model we should brag about?
>>>The Decider, who has neither the intellect nor interest in the Israel/Palestine problem...<<<
Actually he does have some interest in the Palestine region. He uses it to practice for future wars and invasions.
U.S. Helped Plan Israeli Attack
In this week's issue of the New Yorker, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reports Israeli officials visited the White House earlier this summer to get a "green light" for an attack on Lebanon. The Bush administration approved, Hersh says, in part to remove Hezbollah as a deterrent to a potential US bombing of Iran. A government consultant said the Bush administration also saw the attack on Lebanon as a "demo" for what it could expect to face in Iran.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14540.htm
>>>though exactly who is going to pay the taxes for all the social programs Democrats love, is unclear to me. Where would the money come from???<<<
Doing what bogus republicans do best......act out with bogus concern and outrage. Got a problem with borrowing the money like the people you support always do?
McGovern: Impeach Bush, Cheney Now
"McGovern also called the case for impeaching Mr. Bush and Cheney "far stronger" than what was the case against President Nixon and Vice President Spiro T. Agnew after the 1972 election.
They have repeatedly violated the Constitution. They have transgressed national and international law. They have lied to the American people time after time. Their conduct and their barbaric policies have reduced our beloved country to a historic low in the eyes of people around the world. These are truly 'high crimes and misdemeanors,' to use the constitutional standard."
This reckless disregard for life and property, as well as constitutional law, has been accompanied by the abuse of prisoners, including systematic torture, in direct violation of the Geneva Conventions of 1949."
"How could a once-admired, great nation fall into such a quagmire of killing, immorality and lawlessness?" he writes.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/06/politics/main3679720.shtml
>>>but most of the cases I'm aware of, they are doing jobs most of us aren't willing to do.<<<
American workers don't want to build houses? Next time you're in florida, take a look at any construction site you drive by and let me know if you saw anything other than hispanics. What you're talking about is chamber of commerce propaganda bullshit. Desperate refugees are paid starvation salaries and then the builders turn around and complain that americans won't do those jobs so they have no choice. Translation: "Americans won't do these jobs for the same money we're paying starving illegal immigrants". You can't see where corporate greed enters into this equation?
>>>As for Bush, we have been over and over my lack of support for him many times,<<<
You're approaching 27,000 posts on ihub. Sounds like there should have been a fair amount of anti-Bush entries in that collection but I think I missed every single one. Care to steer me towards a few so we can settle this misunderstanding once and for all?
(I'm guessing your response will be along the lines of....."find them yourself")
>>>LOl, You have no connection with reality... Maybe you need more salt in your water.....<<<
Well then.....let's talk reality, starting with the reality that you keep idolizing:
1: A joke of a president who's less popular than Nixon at the day of his resignation and who has tied the lowest approval rating on record.
2: Ann Coulter, long after she's been dumped by every reputable media source in the country.
So as you keep drooling over and pimping for some of the most memorable losers in US history while pretending to be "connected with reality", I sure enjoy watching you as the reality you represent is delivered to the slag heap and the dust bin of history. Last chapter of any political influence worthy of mention of the american hard right is being written as we speak imo. Thanks to in no small part to GW Bush and the idiots who saw greatness in him.
>>>do something else that is useful besides waisting your employers money.<<<
Your weird hangup about people posting on company time notwithstanding, I'm impressed by your insight. Not only do you know if people are employed or not, you also know their schedules. Even more impressive would be if you paid the same amount of attention to stuff that really matter which you obviously don't...