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Rue,
you and metro, if that is the case, are some of the worst I have ever seen!LOL
Go ATWT
Nez
I wonder how many "undercover" bashers there are on this board and the other boards dedicated to ATWT posing as "longs" but who are really interested in getting shares freed up for MMs to acquire?
Nez
I wish I could find a product, made by a small, publicly traded company which owned the patent of the product and therefore that had high confidence in its product's success. So much so that the company concentrates on pursuing legislation which would require by law, that the product be bought and installed on the primary equipment of an indispensable industry.
If I could find something like this, I would try and acquire as many shares of the company as possible and not worry about the pps movement as the industry is going to be around for quite a while.
I would not even look at the short term pps if the only thing that could hurt the future of the company would be the evaporation of the need for the product. If this were the case, I would try not to become to bogged down with information that is not applicable to this type of scenario.
nez
I wonder...the last time there was a shortage of shares and longs had tied up their shares with "zips", I noticed that one of the first signs that an effort to loosen up shares began with the appearance of so-called bashers. Then we began to see "mirror" orders and then orders for quantities like 100. 200, 500 shares. Some say these are signals indicating MMs need shares.
What if they have tried to change the appearance by using 1000, 5000 etc instead of hundreds to indicate the same message but now are using 1000 increments?
I have not been watching the board much as we have had a heck of a flu in the family but today and yesterday, I notice the appearance of some negative leaning posters using terms like "bagholders" etc.
Could this be the beginning of a repeat of the last effort to shake shares loose from longs? If this is the case, I wonder if there is going to be another "shake" that coincides with the usual end of the week traders who sell in order to not hold over the weekend?
If this is the case, I wonder too if the longs who fell for the last "shake" can hold this time and keep the availability of shares MMs might acquire very low. I guess this will only happen if longs hold this time regardless.
I have been able to compile enough to sell if need be but I am not comfortable with giving the people who need shares in order to dictate the pps the chance as I have enough faith in the company's future to weather the drops.
Thoughts?
Nez
I wonder how the guys at the "Battle of the Bulge" felt about patience both before and after?
nez
IMHO,
It is more important to "zip" those shares and not try to flip, even more than it was some days ago. That just proved the theory as far as the MMs needing shares. Anyone see any 100 - 200 lots lately?
Now we have MMs, with shares, bringing out the bashers, which believe nothing and negatively spin everything, so the usual Friday departees will be joined by people seeing 50% drop in pps who forget they made that in a very, very unusually easy way. If they didn't take profit, they regret it as they are being duped into thinking this is not coming back. I hope these folks can see through the "smoke" being blown our way, and recognize the fact that the last run was at best 'fractional" of the runs that will finally reflect ATWT's REAL value.
This is so well choreographed, requires much effort and wouldn't be done if there was not good reason to make ATWT appear weak. Opportunists taking advantage of a glitch as a real American dream comes to fruition, glitches which are being exploited.
Don't let them get any more shares than they already have. You try and sell at .0045 with the dream of buying back at .003 and your dream WiLL become the woulda, coulda nightmare of your life.
The outstanding appearance of the highly experienced "bashers" and the time since last trade, and I, rightly or errononeously, believe we have the "Atomic Shake." They are desperate to try whatever to get things back in their control because this company is the real deal.
It would probably be a thing of beauty, from the MMs or mercenary basher's point of view but there seems to be many here who believe and will patiently wait for the inevitable rise in pps, as a true American dream unfolds.
Nez
Good post Nat.
Nez
Nat,
up early cause I don't think I'm gonna be around much today either. Unless something groundshaking occurs, if I remember correctly (to lazy to look right now) Fridays are down, except for last. 5 kids, its par for the course.
Nez
I know it's early, but does anyone have any spread guesses yet.
Nez
easydoc,
I remember you fromm another board and you are still as realistic and down to earth, as you were then! Things just keep improving! You will find that this board is full of people on your thought level.
GLTY,
Nez
This is the first PK, where I haven't seen the vicious cycle of P&D. IMO, it is probably a good thing that this is starting. Opinions?
Nez
vlt, stevo,
as you can see I haven't been around much today.
Can anyone tell me if it is my imagineation or until today, was there a very "loud," absence of negative or "posts similiar in tone to that of the "basher" definition?
Remember, I have read more than 10-15 posts but I did hit what appears to be, what people on other bords like rb called "bash" posts. I have not seen many over the past months and was somewhat perplexed as to the lack of them.
I have a theory and it is, when awarness of a stock increases, more people get involved and either sing the stocks praises with the hope of the pps rising and then sell it when it does at a preselected level. They then start badmouthing the stock in order to instigate an errosion of confidence causing selling, dumping and lower pps and then buy back!
If I am seeing this common thing, I feel more confortable knowing we have both bashers and praisers!. It feels more normal.
Nez
Nat,
(.0005 increments )to me, seems to indicate, the MMs are loaded again, probably wrong but its MHO.
Nez
This is just my opinion and not directed at anyone, but many times I have seen stocks when going through inevitable downturns, begin the "we need a better IR firm."
I have thought about this and in light of the fact that ATWT, IMHO is a winner, we need to see filings, and actual performance.
This is why I think IR firms are hired; the american person wants everything NOW. When a stock enters a period that requires patience for filings, sales and other things like actual performance issues, companies are forced to hire IR firms to distract the american mentality from the fact that only patience is needed.
IR firms spin our thoughts away from the painful requirement to have patience.
Nez
x20,
funny you put it that way, I too was reluctant due to, what I now know , was a false indication of lack of excitment.
Nez
Ohio,
forgive me as I have been away most of the day.
I am curious, after looking over the posts, how long have you been in ATWT and how did you come across it?
I like to compare the different ways people become aware of ATWT.
I was wondering if ATWT looks at this data for the purposes of marketing and I thought I would do a paersonal "sample" to see if it is worth the trouble. Just got the idea today. Proabaly a no-brainer.
In my case, I am pretty sure it caught my attention when I was reviewing a feature on S.Trade, called "Market Movers." This was a while ago.
I can honestly say, I would NEVER have look at a product like this if I did'nt stummble accross it!
TIA and welcome to the board,
Nez
I think the old adage "Treat people the way you would like to be treated" applies in this case. If you have a problem, "respectfully" state it and move on. There is no room for bickering. We all want the same thing!!
nez
ditto
It is still valid and much appreciated!!
nez
I too will be in and out today. L2 still
50(4)x 60(3)
IAM,
I am reposting some information I shared with someone earlier.
I recently took a course which covered, in depth, Power Point.
and it is really something once you master it.
Unfortunately, in order to master it you need to work with it almost on a daily basis.
As effective as it can be when utilized correctly, it can also have the complete opposite effect if the person who put it together and presents the work appears unskilled.
It is just the way it is.
Maybe that is causing a delay, because once you see PP used the correct way, you will immediately know when it is not being done right and will see the ill effects a poor presentation might have.
If it were me, I would hunt down person, professor, salesperson, researcher, etc. who is very familiar with the workings and these people are not a dime a dozen.
When they do find the right peope to do a Power Point for us, if done right and I'm sure it will be, you will have many if not all of your answers in a format easily digested.
JMHO!
Thanks and GO ATWT,
Nez
One last post for the day, IMHO, the best way to get ideas of a "beefy PR" together with numbers, might be a well produced "Powerpoint" presentation. This is much easier to do than it may sound. Has anyone heard anything more about a possible Powerpoint presentation?
TTYL,
Nez
Seeker,
when I said I got it, I actually meant I got it, this is way too deep and it is way to soon for someone at my experience level to handle or to work out, if it is even possible to do! This would be like learning how to do an oil change on a car and then assuming you can do an engine change!
Thanks though,
I love information,
Nez
I'll give it a go.
thanks,
Nez
Seeker, I think I've got it now thanks a bunch!
Nez
I still haven't gotten my buy order placed at 11:30 for .0051 filled! I notice many others are though. I don't have an AON order either.
Nez
Getting back to the MMs making money on the spread by selling high and buying low, how can they be sure they are not letting shares flow out of the MM community's hands and into the public's where the shares have a good chance of becoming "zipped" and therefore no longer availible to the MMs control?
Probably a dumb question but I am determined to understand the rules of the road for the MMs and how they relate to our (public) rules of the road.
Nez
Very well said trackgirl. Welcome aboard!!
nez
I think, still new to this!
Nez
5 @ .005 and 2 @ .006
Was thinking about selling a few for the flip.
But thought I test the waters to see whats what.
Since 11:31 AM EST I have had a buy in @ .0051! If they can't fill that theres no way in Hades they are gonna buy a larger chunck and let me buy lower!
I'm now gonna rest for the day.
Nez
Wouldn't it be a "belly laugh" if the "Flippers," got "zipped" into thier postions and then all of the sudden, and against thier will, they end up making 2 - 10 times more than what they would have made flippin? Only in America! Anything is possible. Betcha some peoples thinking would be re-evauluated then, eehh?
Nez
Excellent, a verbal confirmation of all that the attendees have shared with us. We can smell the further pr's coming!! Plus, we will soon have a visual confirmation of the meeting's success!!!! Sweet!!
nez
Yeah, thats the one...The cow milker champ,or does he work for a sperm bank? Maybe we could get him to do our "ask" whackin for us? Looks like he is effective at whatever he is doing, he is smiling!
Nez
O.T. WHAT THE HECK IS THAT????!!
Nez
I like that new addition to donkey kong. Oh my back!!
nez
And remember, we are all zipped, so of course they need shares! LOL
nez
Nice chart!! Where's my new one you promised me?
nez
The 100 share signal just went through.
nez
IMHO, this could be a very very healthy thing. As VLF says, nothing goes straight up.
nez