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I love your style...all of your great one liners. Honorary degree, knob jockey, BUFFETT BOY and Easy tiger. Am I supposed to run and hide!!! I guess your the board "put everybody in line person"?
Suspicious motives? Trust me I had no motives. My first post was just a SIMPLE post. As I see it you feel the need to jump down posters throats on assumptions you've made from thier posts. That's quite all right with me, I love it when posters on boads react as you did. Without cause.
Good luck.
Yes that will be the only way to get a couple of bucks from this stock. By buying a gazillion shares and then dump on supposed hope. Like many pinks.
What gets me is seeing all the poster waiting for the new filing thinking this will bring hope? I'm just curious as to the waiting for this filing.
Debaser52...I come across a insightful? No, not at all. I wasn't trying to enlighten anybody. Again, I just don't get why many posters are waiting for this filing?
Ada...I show up when the stock is tanking? I'd say that happened quite some time ago. No? I told you so? Not at all. I'm not trying to rub anybodys face in anything pro or con.
Debaser52...as for me stating the O/S increasing. I didn't say posters didn't know about the O/S increasing. Wow talk about being edgey. LOL I didn't post to be anybodys guru or to say anybody is doomed.
I just don't understand what would be in the filing that will make any difference to anything when it comes to this stock being anything!!! That's what I find amusing.
Hello...I've been in this stock for a long long time, since 1999. I gotta ask what do you think is gonna happen when they release the what, 10K?
This used to be a great play stock about a year ago. Then it has done nothing but dive to the bottom. I used to post during different times when it should run, when it was a play stock. I was pretty good at it!!
There are only two people making money off of this stock. If investors did there DD they would know who. This has to be one of the worst companies I've been in as to watching the share count increase over the years. What's it up to now? I swear they have a printing machine in the closet. LOL
At this point, and I don't mean any disrespect to anybody, this stock is done. Nobody can say anybody who is negative is just trying to bring down the PPS so he can make money. It can't get any lower. This machine they have has been on the brink of greatness for years. Let alone the great Chiropratic franchises.
Good luck to all. I hope everybody makes money.
Wow gotta love charts. LOL
Bravo, clap, clap!!! What's Ginger wearing. Eyes closed!!!
Vtopa at this point investors have figured out and understand the past. Some say the past has no bearing on a stock but it does. So I really don't think the company has the ability to move the PPS!!!
They've tried to move the PPS already, through the gazillion PR's over the past year. As you can see by the current PPS investors don't believe. This stock has moved just as I've said, as it has been played.
If this company has any chance to break away from its past it will need to prove itself with solid clarification of issues that has dogged it. They know what they are, they read this board. Yet they don't seem to be doing anything about these said areas of concern!!! Why?
As you can see with what one posters posted today, they will not have audited financials until next year. Right there they've shot themselves in the foot. Investors don't want project numbers, or supposed numbers they want facts. Audited facts!!! That has to be the biggest step forward for this company. Yet they've done nothing but contradict their own PR's about audited financials!!!
I was sent this letter through my broker by email last night. I can't get the entire letter to cut and paste, but there is an ending. Not much else of importance except ending.
................................................................
April 2007
To Dime Litigation Tracking Warrant ("LTW") Holders:
Washington Mutual, Inc. (the "Company") records indicate that you own Dime LTWs in either registered form or with a broker/bank. Please note the following information that is contained in the Company's Form 10-K for the year-ended December 31, 2006 regarding the LTW's.
Dime Bancorp, Inc.
In January 1995, Anchor Savings Bank FSB, filed suit against the U.S. Government for unspecified damages involving supervisory goodwill related to its acquisition of eight troubled savings institutions from 1982–1985. Four of the acquisitions involved financial assistance from the U.S. Government, and four did not. The Dime Savings Bank of New York, FSB acquired Anchor Savings Bank shortly after the case was brought and Dime Savings Bank assumed the rights under the litigation against the U.S. Government . Dime Bancorp distributed a Litigation Tracking Warrant TM (an “LTW”) for each share of its common stock outstanding on December 22, 2000 to each of its shareholders on that date. In January 2002, Dime Savings Bank and Dime Bancorp merged into WMB and the Company. As a result of these mergers, the Company assumed the litigation against the U.S. Government and the LTWs are now, when exercisable, exercisable for shares of the Company’s common stock. The events and conditions that would entitle a holder to exercise an LTW did not change as a result of these mergers and had not yet occurred as of December 31, 2006. For additional information concerning the Dime goodwill litigation and the LTWs, see the Company’s Current Report on Form 8-K, dated March 12, 2003, File No. 1-14667.
In a series of decisions issued in 2002, the Court of Federal Claims granted the Company’s summary judgment motions as to contract liability with respect to the four acquisitions involving financial assistance, but granted the U.S. Government’s motions with respect to the four unassisted acquisitions. On September 29, 2003, the Court denied the U.S. Government’s motion for summary judgment with respect to the claim for the Company’s lost profits, but granted the U.S. Government’s motion with respect to the Company’s alternative claims for reliance damages and for the value of the lost supervisory goodwill. A six-week trial on the Company’s lost profits claim started in June 2005, followed by a post-trial briefing which was completed in November 2005. The case now awaits a decision on damages from the trial judge. There can be no assurance or accurate prediction of the timing or the amount of damages that will be awarded by the trial judge. In addition, each of the trial judge’s decisions, including its findings on the U.S. Government’s contract liability and any damages awarded, is subject to appeal.
Litigation is inherently uncertain, and significant uncertainty surrounds the legal issues involved in cases involving supervisory goodwill that underlie the value of the LTWs. The Company cannot accurately predict the timing or amount of any damages, whether the U.S. Government will decide to appeal any of the trial judge’s decisions or the outcome of any appeals. As a result, the Company cannot predict if or when the conditions will be satisfied that will result in holders becoming entitled to exercise their LTWs or the value for which the LTWs will become exercisable.
As an LTW holder, you are entitled to receive a copy of the Company's Form 10-K, the annual report filed with the SEC. In an effort to control costs and improve efficiencies, we are providing LTW holders with the following options to review or receive the Company's Form 10-K for 2006 (which we filed with the SEC on February 28, 2007) and in future years:
Rumor started on this board. Nothing in any PR's stated they were going to retire the 70 million shares!!!
Aries4747 thanks.
Jigfish as to how you precieve the tone of my questions is your opinion. Some of my questions were asking for his opinion. He is one of the only ones who knows the truth of the past and is not afraid to say it. Even though he has voiced his dislike in areas he is not afraid to say it.
The questions in my opinion are all important to be understood fully without leaving doubt which has caused some undertone on this board. If they were cleared up I believe they would solve a lot of the companies problems. If the majority of investors whether it be positive or negative feel these areas are important then a point would be made.
Being the company reads this board. Trust me they read it I've seen several PR's after some questions have been presented on boards.
One deleted for whatever reason?
Hello Aries4747 so I'll tread lightly with my questions as to not put you into an argument. LOL The following are some of the boards issues which seem to cause most of the chatter!!!
AUDITED FINANCIALS-
Would you think this is an important issue for BZTG?
In your opinion how believable are un-audited financials when it comes to the pinks and investors?
Do you think audited financials will make the company more credible?
And with audited financials do you think the share price would reflect a positive note?
INCOME-
As a pinky what is your opinion of when this company puts out a PR on income?
To you, how believable is any PR which includes a number about income?
Do you think it would behoove the company to stop putting outrageous projected income numbers as to, in relation to a product in their PR's?
70 MILLION SHARES-
Do you feel this PR is confusing?
As per the PR do you think they are going to hold them as Treasury Stock (which they can) and sell them to China Plus at $0.124 at a later date?
If they are going to hold them, wouldn't this clear up the issue of the TA retiring them as some expect?
As per what the PR's says, do you feel they are going to retire them?
As per Weo he has been told different (which is okay) but this does not coinside with the PR?
CHINA PLUS-
What is your opinion of the same officers running both companies?
If China Plus is an entity all in itself as another poster has stated, what is your opinion of having no way to contact them as far as doing DD?
Asian Assets which is now China Plus had a website, what is your opinion of this site not being changed to China Plus?
Did you see what investments China Plus was involved in as per the other posters post?
What do you think of them?
With that type of portfolio wouldn't it assist BZTG in the long run?
20TH FLOOR TECHNOLOGY-
With the knowledge of this being a division of 20th Vision (key word division) do you think BZTG should clarify this issue?
THE FOLLOWING ARE NOT QUESTIONS YOU CAN ANSWER BUT ARE VALID QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO CLARIFING SOMETHING WHICH COULD ONLY ASSIST BZTG AND INVESTORS!!!
Should BZTG have explained this area clearer?
Did they buy 20th Vision?
How much did they purchase this for?
Did this company have a net worth?
Yearly income?
ALEXA NUMBERS-
What is your opinion of this rating system?
How accurate do you think they are?
If it's true that one goes to the SCG website and it sends you to Alexa do you feel this is creating doubt in their numbers?
PR'S-
Do you think over the years BZTG has hurt themselves with some of their PR's?
Which ones?
Do you think they should clear up old PR's which they have shown as income makers and to this date there is NO knowledge of the status of said PR's?
WEB SITE-
The web site is fine and dandy (nice)!!! Do you think they should explain what areas are creating an income?
OFFICER SALARIES-
I'm sure the company officers are not working for nothing! Should they be showing the income they are taking from BZTG if any?
Weo thats what kills me about you. There it is in black and white and instead of saying yes your right they did state that in the PR back in 2005. You avoid the obvious and swing all around what was written in the PR by Sutida. Sutida put her name in the PR. She was in control. PERIOD!!!
How about saying yes I see it, I'm not sure why they haven't been able to have audited financials. Yes I know it's been 17 months since they wrote that. Yes I agree maybe it was premature on their behalf.
No you just keep on swinging all around it as every question that is put to you that is in black and white. Just once try getting off your high horse and state the obvious.
Well it's been fun I'm going to bed. I reply in the am.
Well I know your Weo's buddy. Thats okay!!! I hope you keep it honest as you did the other day. So what's your opinion of what some say is happening on this board. Be honest. If you don't want to get involved that's okay. Just let it be then. Not ALL post that were removed were against Ihubs rules.
Maybe tomorrow I'll get your opinion on some of the issues I have with this stock. I'd like to hear what you have to say. So for my questions on the stock I'll wait till tomorrow.
Weo as per you post to me #3985 are you over looking who said it in the post? Here I'll put it up again...
BANGKOK, Thailand, Oct. 20 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ The company plans to change its name to Buzz Technologies, Inc. Sutida Suwunnavid, Chairman of the Board of Directors said, "Our top operations priority is to ensure that we are a full reporting company with audited financial statements".
So are you saying Sutida had nothing to do with this company back then? See her name she is the one that said it. With full knowledge of it being BZTG.
Aries4747 can I throw you in the mix of things?
No, not in the least my issue about Audited Financials. But when a company puts out a PR and says it is the "TOP OPERATIONS PRIOTRIY" to have audited financials and it has been 17 months and still none.
That then becomes the companies issue. Whether investors believe in them. As you can see by the PPS investors do not.
Wow was your post #3975 appropriate? That's okay I forgot your rules apply to everybody.
That's okay I make copies of my post.
Fact is since 2005 this company has stated they will be addressing audited financial and to this day they have not!!!
BANGKOK, Thailand, Oct. 20 2005 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ The company plans to change its name to Buzz Technologies, Inc. Sutida Suwunnavid, Chairman of the Board of Directors said, "Our top operations priority is to ensure that we are a full reporting company with audited financial statements".
As I stated earlier there are simple issues which the company needs to clear up and have not. This is one!!! They can have all the detailed financial they want on the web site or through a PR. Neither will help in putting to rest this issue. Audited Financials are the only way this company will make investors believe.
Hello Aries4747 nice to see you!!!
Weo1998, wouldn't it behoove the company to explain what they only told you, to ALL the investors?
By what YOU say, they said...
they will be retiring 70M shares, re-issuing 61M shares and holding 16M of restricted stock to be used for future acquisitions.
Key word "retiring", puts a definite as to thier intentions of said 70 million shares. But again they only told you this.
Knowing this issue (retiring or not) is important to both sides of this board. I'm quite sure others who are expecting the entire 70 million shares to be reitred would not be happy. Not speaking for them, at 289+ - 70 = 219+ million shares outstanding. Quite a bit better for those who are concerned about the share count getting lower!!!
Remember the meaning of Treasury Stock can mean both retiring & selling. The PR's say re-selling (70 million) those EXACT, key word (EXACT) shares they bought from the private investor (70 million not 61 million). So as per YOU they are going to retire. Okay when that happens we will believe.
Joenatural as per your post #3890 why do I need to call the TA? As per your other post #2770 on 3/20/2007...
Just spoke with Dan Bell (transfer agent) about whether or not he's received the certificates from Sutida in order to cancel the 70 million shares. He says he still hasn't received the certificates and that Sutida hasn't responded to his e-mail either. You can verify the same at 303-282-4800. The O/S count is still just over 289 million shares.
So I ask, what clue am I to get? A transfer agent only has the total amount of shares listed as per their records on the computer as of that day. As per your own post #2770 3/20/2007 you even state the TA has not received any info from BZTG to cancel ANY shares. So again what clue am I to get?
At this point with no shares cancelled what has been said in the PR's is holding true!!! Weo1998 says he has been told different. Okay!!! But even to what he says as of this date NO shares have been cancelled. What clue didn't I get? Not an argument either.
Joenatural not to argue, but as per the PR's that's what they are doing with the shares. It's stated right in the PR's. I'm not making it up!!! Go to the PR's and read them.
If you know different, would you please explain to me how you see this any different then what the PR's state? I will stand corrected if you know any other fact.
As for stating...I'm done bashing?
Sorry, stating the facts is not bashing.
What seems to be a concern on the board are the 70 million shares. Some say they are being retired and the PR's say different. Those who want them retired would naturally think this is a good thing. I would agree being this would lower the share count. And those same investors are not going to like it if they are not retired.
Those that don't like this stock, naturally want to point out (the shares not being retired yet) as it being another negative issue concerning this stock. I can understand that also.
Did I take a position in this stock? NO, and again NO. So seeing the obvious? As you say, to each his own.
Again not to argue, but what leads you to believe anything different then what the PR's state about the 70 million shares being retired? What makes you think they are going to be retired, please explain, I'm all ears?
Weo1998 you say differnt also in your post #3885. Again that is not what the two PR's state. I understand what the Feb. 1st PR says as them buying shares. Not an issue.
You gave a discription on what you heard is going to happen with shares as per your post #3885...
Last I heard, they will be retiring 70M shares, re-issuing 61M shares and holding 16M of restricted stock to be used for future acquisitions. The goal is to keep the O/S at 280M shares.
Where did you get those facts from? Again I'll stand corrected if you can show me!!! Again, I'm not trying to argue, where did you get that info from?
Joenatural as per the PR on 2/12 it says nothing about them retiring the 70 million shares. This is backed up by the next day PR...
Buzz Technologies, Inc. Feb. 12, 2007 (OTC:BZTG.pk) has entered into a private transaction to acquire 70 million shares of common stock from a shareholder. The shares acquired from the shareholder will be held by the company as treasury stock.
Definition of TREASURY STOCK: stock reacquired by a corporation to be retired or resold to the public. Treasury stock is issued but not outstanding, and is not taken into consideration when calculating earnings per share or dividends, or for voting purposes
The next PR, the next day 2/13 states they...
Buzz Technologies, Inc. Feb. 13, 2007 (PINK SHEETS:BZTG), China Plus and China Plus subsidiaries have entered into an agreement where China Plus will purchase 70 million shares of common stock (the company recently purchased the 70m shares from another Buzz Technologies, Inc. shareholder) from Buzz Technologies, Inc.
Nothing says they are retiring the 70 million shares. So when I keep seeing posters saying they have called the TA asking about said 70 million shares that's not going to happen. At this point BZTG will hold these shares until the second PR and what it says takes affect, the price hits $0.124.
Retirementsoon would you please post more information as to China Plus? How can one inquire about becoming a shareholder?
There goes another one...whooosh You are a bright spot on this board. I hope you sent that one to Matt too?
No I didn't say retiring the shares. Maybe that's what's wrong today is you have not read and understood what I posted. He said, his exact words...
They have not purchased those shares.
Don't blame me for what he said!!! That's no my garbage!!! You say an issue of something so trivial? Would that be your opinion as to this issue being trivial? I thought you said no opinions. Whether they purchased those shares or not is not trivial!!!
That is just one of many statements he has made that is not a fact. As YOU so have stated previously as what YOU expect from posters.
You just don't get it do you? Here try again!!!
A poster (post number 3738 was a reply to 3735) has stated the company has NOT purchased the 70 million shares. And then he just about called him a liar and called him immature in post 3741.
So when I ask him to explain about what he said the company has NOT purchased the 70 million shares as one of my questions you deleted it...
Is that true about the shares? Isn't that a logical question to ask that person? That's not debating him or asking his opinion as you have accused me of. Then I put it to the board and you deleted that!!!
If you know the answer then post it. If that person was wrong then what did I do wrong in asking him to explain?
That's just one point.
It's been fun to have been part of your selective censorship today. I look forward in seeing your censorship in the future. Your total today was 4.
As you once posted...
Stick to the facts of the company.
Which was what I was after, just the facts which you would not allow.
Asking someone to explain his post and where that person got his facts from is not attacking that person or asking his opinion. To know if what a person post is based on facts or not, is important!!!
OBJECTIVE-Something that one's efforts are intended to attain or accomplish. Not affected by personal feelings or prejudice; based on facts.
By you censoring a person the right to ask that person to explain his or her post, so one could correctly understand the true facts about BZTG would be considered contradicting what you say your tring to do on this board, using an objective process!
I guess getting the correct information disbursed on this board is not an "objective process" you wish to be presented as factual BZTG info?
O, okay it's what YOU think is antagonizing a poster for THEIR opinion!!! I guess your speaking for THEM? Your forming THEIR opinion of what I posted? O, okay!!!
I asked questions about BZTG for you OR the board to answer. You deleted them!
So what your saying is a poster is not allowed to ask another poster where he got his info from which he posted on this board?
It was not the company that presented said info. So why would one ask the company?
So if I say the company was just bought by Micorsoft and another poster wanted to know where I got this info from he should be tossed?
Do you really think this type of behavior doesn't look foolish to this board?
Please ask Matt to review my post, I'd like to know what he says. I'm very curious as to his honest opinion. Or is it your intentions to delete all post as was the case on the RB Boards? Censorship?
Retirementsoon I appreciate some of the info you have presented to the board. One area of knowledge you brought to the board was China Plus. Let me take a step back here...
Knowing that Sean is watching this board, I find it odd that he would not want to clear this doubt up. The only thing an investor has to go on (when dealing with this issue) is the old Asian Assets web site which is outdated. So when it came to China Plus taking over, investors only wanted to follow through with knowledge. With no way of gaining this, investors become doubtful of said issue (China Plus).
As you have said you are an investor in this company and the info you posted was a company update to investors. All well and good. Let me inquire deeper? How can one inquire about becoming a shareholder? Could you please post further info?
O my I must have struck a nerve? Somebody got upset, did somebody miss nap time?
Do you sit at your computer and cringe when you see me post? Do you find yourself running to your computer every 5 minutes? LOL
Talk about getting a life!!! Do you have to hide each time you go to the computer so nobody sees you? LOL
Are you finding it effects the way you talk to people? Do you find yourself snapping at others? LOL Do you notice others around you are getting mad because your always on the computer? LOL
Your easier then fishing for sunny's!!! At least with sunny's they know not to bite a hook witout a least corn on it. LOL Come on one more before you go to bed. But don't get caught.
Hey where is Ares4747 at? He seems to have a better handle on BZTG maybe he should be moderator? How nice it was to read intelligent post when he posted. He seems to have a better handle on this stock then you do.
It's getting late isn't it time you do as you always do and take your ball and go home? Again folks this is a play stock just follow the past and you'll see how it works.
What has to be the sadist thing I've seen over the years on these boards, is how posters blame other posters who question or disagree, for the reason a stock is not doing good. That has to be one of the biggest LAME BS reasons going.
Yes, it's ALL my fault this stock is at $0.017!!! No other reason but mine. If I wasn't here this would be a $5.00 stock and we would be on the AMEX. It's all me nobody else, if I go away this stock is gonna fly.
God, do you see how foolish you sound trying to blame others for this stock being so low. Grow up will you? How sad when posters have to start with name calling and other inapropriate comments to try and proove their point. What's your ages?
Funny how when weo1998 is asked legit question he runs and hides and you two pop out to defend him.
Weo1998 I see it's game time for you again...
As I have stated umpteen times, the information is here, I found it.
How poor it is, for an investor who is so intense on a stock, that you don't understand the importance of showing and explaining all one knows about his or her investment to others. Why would one cause confusion and disbelief about an investment like you do? You create more problems for your investment then I've ever seen in any other stock.
So, how would you like to explain the confusion about 20th Vision and 20th Floor Tech? Or is it still game time with YOUR investment?
Also I must of missed where it was already discussed in a PR before!!! How about pointing out the PR which shows 20th Floor Tech and the connection to BZTG?
They just need to clarify that's all. If they did by then I would think it would have been 20th Vision. Let's see if the company will explain?
Please understand no apple now!!!
20th Vision Group of Companies Ltd. is an established web design, website development and email marketing company based in Lahore, Pakistan with an international client base. Since our inception in January, 2001, we have steadily grown into a leading design, development, and consulting company for web and print.
20th Vision consists of several divisions that provide specific services.
20thFloor provides email marketing solutions, Email Marketing, Online branding, Print, Digital assets, Search engine optimization and also provides cross-promotion opportunities between 20th Vision clients,
20thHost provides Shared Hosting, Reseller Hosting, Dedicated Servers, Domain registration.
2xperts provides Web Design, Web Development, System integration, Business consulting
Whichever division, our uniform process allows us to build customized solutions that will exceed your expectations. We are confident in our abilities and our success is the result of building long-term relationships with our clients. That is why 20th Vision Group of Companies will continue to push the env
Come on guess anybody that guesses correct gets a big red apple. LOL
Should I play games like others? And not tell my DD? LOL
Just so some understand 20th Floor Technologies is not a company in it's self, it is a division of another company. At this point I'm not sure how BZTG can say 20th Floor is a subsidiary of BZTG. I would think being this is a division of another company the main company would be BZTG's subsidiary. If any of this is fact (20th Floor being a subsidiary of BZTG) they need to make this clearer!!!
Mr. Shezad Zulfy Managing Director of this other company and the CEO of 20th Floor Technologies and is also a real estate agent.
Weo1998 your like a broken record. "I know but I'm not gonna tell". That's one step above..."tag, tag, no tag backs".
It has ALWAYS facinated me to watch a so-called true believer in a company, and want other investors to believe them and all they can say when asked to explain and proove their DD..."I'm not gonna tell".
Now you know why others have doubt in you!!! Don't worry you don't have to tell me. I know. "Tag your it".