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Dread..
general discusion point which seems to occur on occasion..and let me begin with a disclaimer < I am not fan of the D&C- I think with the exception of their coverage of local high school sports- they are exceptionally mediocre and biased news publication>..that said..I think Torvec has received, on the whole, relatively good coverage given we are still, at this point in time, a development stage company with zero revenue..super technology- fantastic patent protection but no
one who we can send an invoice ( YET)......And as we have said repeatedly..a deal that is in our best interests makes everybody scramble..The shorts ( if they are still short--just making sure you are still alive Tor), The Market Manipulators ( makers) , The business editors, your pal George @ Brighton Securities etc. etc... you buying or you think I'm all wet..???Besides how do you know you don;t even get that rag..??? (grin)
Leitrim
But Probably a little heavier...
Zendo, Did he say very upbeat or was it very very upbeat...???
Have a nice weekend...
Thanks Beach
for the post on SAIC..interesting..all the same I think I'd rather have their challenges than GM and/or Ford's..Not likely that the Government Economic Development gurus are going to let the "crown jewel" tank..Actually from the article, as well as previous ones which you have posted, what is really clear is this enterprise is in need of some unique products and competitive advantages to go along with their lower cost structure..I hear there are a few in Pittsford ????Hope those Visas are comin along...
Regards
Leitrim
Checking this a.m.
and yesterday's Nissan CEO update was removed...??
Dread is there a revison comin ??
Leitrim
I'll go one better
That release of web data may have directly been in response to my crack about Castaway and calling Dread "Wilson" the volleyball !!! Kindof a subtle reminder that lots of folks know about this company and the technology and have invested in it's development..??Believe me I don;t have much of an ego but they do know about this board..Want to have a chat with the CEO- post your name and your phone number..he'll not only take your call he'll invite ya over for coffee and a chat...They have said time and again, that there is great support and interest in their Technology..and I think they also know that this is hard thing waiting for returns on parked money..but go back to KG's one and only CEO update..They have got quite a bit of skin in this game..getting this technology commercialized should be in Vernon's sons hands..I wish them luck..
Hey Dread and the Ihub
site get a little love in the most recent 8K filing..
Dread you better start charging us and or start up some ad space on the side...
Dread..
I'm thinking posting @ 4:08 a.m. EST may have a little something to do with those deferred dreams of which you speak.!!!! Dude: Take some Melatonin and or a Ambien and snooze a little... think about which BMW or Mercedes coop you're gonna acquire with those 500K shares ( o.k that's already been debunked) when SAIC finally finds their checkbook....Not that I need the motivation, but wouldn;t that be sweet if a PR hit on St. Paddy's Day..??? Yikes...
Agree..
with you both...( if that is possible..i.e I'm sure this was shorted @ $10 but if they still are there..at this point there a tad nutty..- That is a nice tool though J- thanks for the info..I never checked that out on Yahoo before....Welcome..Dread be certain to Shout "Land Ho" when you see the shoreline..some of us in the back of the ship are a might loopy or green in the gills...Watched Castaway the other night with Tom Hanks....Whether you like it or not you've become Wilson
Leitrim
Dread:
While I do not have a very favorable opinion of the local newspaper, I'm also not smart enough to connect the dots in the reporting and or lack of reporting on their part with respect to TOVC's products and development..I can understand why GM would have an interest but not the editors @ the D&C..Also as far as the listing not being shown in the paper on a daily basis- In fairness I don't think any OTCBB issues are???.just NYSE and NASDAQ..For instance, I don't think you'll find Biophan et al being listed either..just thinking outloud for discussion purposes..Enjoy the weekend ya'll..Also-
when and if we have something major to release with a $$$ attached to the release....You watch- I bet they'll cover it..This is a small town with limited big local stories..When and if that day ever comes..we can all walk around with big heads and say "of course I've owned TOVC for 6 years where the he<< have you been..."( grin)
Leitrim
Oops make that 35 %
didn;t check in the last hour..
While
....Beach and the Sheriff give and take about the merits of oil stocks and debate the fortunes of the Bush Family, and Dread seemingly has taken the day off to dream about half dressed swimsuit models ( preferably brunettes and red heads- Hey it's February in the N.E- That S.I issue was heaven sent back in my youth ( grin)- TOVC enjoyed a nice 15-18 % bump today- which can only mean one thing if history holds..We'll be down 12-!4 % tommorow..How I long for those 400,000 shares traded days..
"I'm Stuck in Folsom Prison"???
Hey Dino...
Nah..I'm holding..6 Years- At this point ain;t looking for a bunt..hoping for the walk off home run...I've got some XOM, DOV, PAYX etc for the long haul...This has always been my flyer,-the emotional roller coaster..I've bought others well- but sold WAY TOO Soon. GLW / CMX come to mind...made good money which is never a crime but got too antsy..Constantly try to be deliberate, listen and learn..Take Care...Leitrim
Great Read..
Thanks for the post Beach..it is stuff like that encourages the weary long...Good partnerships take time gotta keep telling myself- but clearly China is coming into Global market..Toys? T.V's? well Cars are next...NIH will eventually be short for "Now IT's Happening" ..Keep the Happy Thoughts coming
Leitrim
Sheriff..
Maybe it's my sunny disposition, my relational nature or perhaps cause I'm in sales, but that part of the process never bothered me..But when he/she casts me adrift and sends me to the Finance guy..then I get sweaty palms..next time I'm bringing Dyna..he probably enjoys that part almost as much as happy hour..( beating up the money guy- cutting deals etc..) Don;t get Hostile D- I'm giving ya a compliment...
Waiting on our next real time update ( much as the Eidlin Reply was appreciated..) hope SAIC is back in town and bashin up the snowbanks out in Webster et al..hope the new Peng Pu G.M is back home working on his blue print for assembly line modifications..Hey it's February....perfectly acceptable time for a day dream in Roc..)....Can ya tell I want to get rid of that Ford before Spring..!!!
Atl.....
wasn't the last CEO update essentially that??? What would you like to see compared...?? just curious..
Yes....
that truly is a cool thing to watch..kind of boggles the mind..
hopefully plenty of other peoples as well- !
I would love to hear the milage difference for the Semi-Tractor category..wonder if they plan on test runs for that.....Fuel cost savings would be huge for national fleets..they beat each others brains out to make pennies on the dollar..Still hanging on and dreaming of a green Spring..
Dread...
question from the Annual which you may or maynot know..JG referenced "Basket Road" ( I'm assuming the one in Webster) when giving the engineering guys their public kudos..Do you know the extent of the facilities..???Is this where the Dynomometer is situated and likely where they would be hosting the Chinese delegation?? Just curious..last I knew all their hardware testing etc was done @ Neri's auto shop in Williamson I believe...Can anybody speak to the facility and extrapolate what kind of presentations would be given to the interested parties..Nothing earth shaking here and no agenda just curious ...Leitrim
Quoting the Article..
re: SAIC..
"And most of all, the company has a distinct lack of a representative product,' an analyst told the newspaper."
Geez wonder where they could come up with something unique...???
Artguy..
always enjoy your passionate and well articulated posts..On the P.R. angle of things..I wish I knew the answers to your rhetorical questions about the lack of P.R...certainly appears that they don;t feel it is necessary to accomplish the end game as outlined in the CEO posts and the recent Annual meeting- guess we;ll find out one way or another..
Regards, Leitrim
Ding Ding..
That was the bell...each of ya go to your corner sit on the stool, rinse and spit...wait for round 7.....Sheriff..it sounds like your latest "happy thought" is a left hook upside Torvecian's noodle....?? C'mon ya'll it's just an investment-Here is an Olive branch..you are both alot smarter than I am..so let ME have it..I changed my take since the meeting..I don;t think this is 2-3 years out..If any appreciation were to take that long..I think we'd be irrelevant..It's go time and I hope we close with Shanghai and soon - like before golf season....VG was right..that's the correct dance partner and may they keep flying over another set of eyes, ears, every couple of weeks and lastly someone with a checkbook ...
per B.T.G.:
"other entrepreneurial ventures" will occupy his time....his office for his Charities and personal stuff is even closer to mine than TOVC headquarters..I'll start look for him walking across the parking lot ????!!!..( p.s before you rip me I'm 90% jokin on all this stuff...but having said that..any of ya;ll who have lived here know This is a small town..... a very small town...)
Have a good night..
Ya I caught that...
This guy plunks down $40K almost every week, like it's a dry cleaning bill...wonder if he's running for Governor ????( grin)
Leitrim
well said......
very well said..particularly the part about Rochester..
Indeed Dread..
Happy IHub Anniversary there Bro..have a Scotch tonite to toast yourself..Time flies when you are having fun..??? I can remember finding the board and posting back in the low double digits- some days that seems like a few months ago..some days it seems like a lifetime ago..interesting collection of folks here..Hey ATL ..our local paper had atleast 2-3 Hotlantans quoted the day after the Annual..Not sure if they were shareholders and or analysts, but glad to see some "peach eaters" up here in apple country..hopefull they went home and told some friends ( to BUY not to short- That was for you Torvecian (grin)
not overly bullish not overly bearish..just hanging out...Slainte'
Clear..
Gracias..
And Truck..
grammar aside ( hey I'm no English teacher) but I have not a clue what the intent of your message is in the last sentence..Can you clarify..
O.K..I'll bite..
Pride & litigation aside, given the shares/ warrants etc..wouldn't the CXO crew have something to smile about if TOVC were to rise to $20 a share or thereabouts in the not so distant...maybe not dance a jig but you know...crack a smile and maybe take the wife out to dinner????..just curious..
I must have left
before the "Big boulder" up a hill analogy and timeframe..I don't doubt that ( the effort) for a minute..I hope to catch him on that beach, shake his hand and say thanks and hope it is within 2-3 years..6 months would be lovely..I think all of us have a little feel for "Texas hold em" about now..just waitin for the "flop and the river" cards....just gotta have a buyer with some vision, big nuts and a lot of cash or idle stock......Every time I see young Bill Ford on T.V. touting innovation- I shake my head...Yeh sure you do...( Sorry My Focus Wagon is a piece of crap..)
Yes Dread..
Thanks for doing that..having sat next to you the balence for the night that was no small job..That said I don't think you are ready for a court stenographers position just yet..My reaction( not that anybody asked)..mixed..I too wasn't expecting any bombshell announcements etc..and I thought JG did a pretty good job- and he does try to answer each and every question..I think this will eventually pan out and be a fruitful investment..Unfortunately I am of the opinion it will not be any time soon..Could be totally off base ..This dance is the waltz not the cha cha..every year I do come away with a respct for just exactly what it is that they are trying to accomplish and what they are up against..I do agree with the earlier poster who said many of our older fellow investors are weary..It was nice to put names and faces together..Dread, Dino, Beach, Dyna..it was pleasure..wish I could have hung around but duty called with the kids..
I really hope
that is not the case..I would welcome a brief factual meeting with little drama, emotion, bold proclamations etc. Just a vision with the roadmap and a timeframe for monetization..not our future is bright..I'd love to hear our Future is NOW..Right Now... I understand people's passion on all fronts, for the G's this is about so much more than $$$..vindication validation of your Father's life work..That can make for some serious passion and emotion..I hope people are respectful of that..as I hope they are respectful of some very ordinary regular folks buying into this enterprise -knowing full well there are no guarantees in life, but plunking down hard earned cash-but wanting reassurance that there is a concrete plan..I think they have done a good job of that in the last 12 months with the Updates on the website- but nothing like face to face discussions to enhance understanding and credibility..tell us what we need to know not what we want to hear..I think that is fair..
O.K my fellow Hubmen..where we meeting for tailgate and or wrap up...?
Dread...
Got a question..
What is the signficance of the "list of names" under "People" on Edgar all the way to the right of the 8K ??? just curious if you knew..?? probably a silly question just wondered why Golisano and George Fisher are listed along with Charles Siragusa etc....etc..Are they shareholders?? why is that part of the filing??
Thanks in advance for any/all responses..
Regards
Leitrim
Cool idea Dread
but I'm not holding your beer- I mean Diet coke..when you type .I'm really curious if there will be anything discussed that could or would make it outside of Greater Rochester as far as coverage???.or more importantly that would affect the volume in the coming weeks??..If that happens we'll all shake out of the "Winter blahs" right quick I predict...to an earlier post..I had asked Jim when I sat with him around 9-1 "Is there anything going on with IVT Deisel Corp" as a stand alone subsidiary???The answer I got was essentially "Yeh sure a whole bunch, we'll be addressing that as we go forward"... so I hope to learn more on Thursday about that too...It certainly seems that is the aspect of that particular technology where they feel they can offer the most competitive advantages..Thoughts...???
Nah Beach..
...nothing like that..I'm not really an antagonist..pretty tolerant - or atleast I'd like to think so..I totally respect both Artguy's response to my ramblings and most importantly his right to be able to say it...We can always disagree- we sure have on occasion with respects to this investment's performance and potential over the years- but I 'd hazard a guess there is alot more in common fundamentally with all the folks that post here than differences..Alright, see whoever on Thursday..don't bring any masks..P.S Beach I do enjoy a good laugh though..life is indeed short despite my rather long position in TOVC
figured that
would get someone's knickers in a twist..
O.K...
So Dread and the Sheriff probably aren't going to be voting for Hilary in 2008..??? How 'bout my personal favorite..The Teacher's unions..O.K I can see the screw gun operator being somewhat concerned about getting boned by The Man..but a someone with a Masters and or PHD who works like what 160 days a year, making 75- 80K a year with little or no " competition"- limited performance accountability needs protection? from who?..Sorry if I offended any of ya'll or your spouses..believe me..Yes there is a touch of jealousy there- Everytime I see that Adam Urbanski on T.V speaking through that clenched jaw about the inequity of this and that I wanna throw a rock through the screen..Sorry..I feel better...
Hey..
I'll be there..Who would wanna miss???.you usually had to wait for the JG session all the way til the end when he'd get the chair and the whip and field Q & A..Now we get the that for the whole shmear..In all seriousness..I hope he does have good news and that he can provide us some more insight into where we are and where we are going- most importantly WHEN..My number is 800-242-4464 ext 4464..If we are all in cognito....Well I 've been told sometimes I look like Steve Martin and other times like Sting..I prefer the latter preferably if coming from a female..( grin)..
Dread..
That is an excellent read..appreciate these kernals of industry chatter while we wait for news/results/conversation/deals etc/etc from this investment opportunity..I 'll wait and see what the next few weeks and months hold..years???.I don;t think I'll make it..Leitrim
Thank you both
for the followup posts..
Can someone assist with this ???...
What is it about the Diesel -v- gasoline engines that make the
economies better in the former....is it something in the fuel itself and or are the engines more simple..30 % better milage in city driving for gas engines is certainly newsworthy..and as sheriff points out that wasn't even the buzz 4-5 months ago it was that the IVT would save the OEM's multiple millions in production costs...So are we on the first tee yet???.pulling the Big Bertha out of the bag??? or can I take a snooze..If JG is excited that is suits me fine he's got a few more shares than I do...
Leitrim