uh huh LOL

Bush and Lay had close connections... before Bush became president, he helped Kenny Boy deregulate Pennsylvania for the same purposes... Bush laid things open so Kenny could do his dirty work.

and should be the most pressing issue over anything else

frick and frack lol

yeah, their agenda is to make it look good by November... after that I wouldn't count on them following through with anything.

Posted by: extelecom
In reply to: Alex G who wrote msg# 177826 Date:5/25/2006 4:11:34 PM
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Your an idiot.


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that last one might teach him what an honest days work feels like...

For that, the democratic establishment fight him harder than they fight the real opposition. Pretty disgusting.

I totally agree! I'll never quite forgive what they did to him during the first primary in 2004. I wrote many an emails to the DNC about that very subject.

what's notable about the conviction of Skilling and Lay is that they were convicted inspite of their wealth and powerful political connections. Thanks goodness some systems in this country still work. But as Susie said, I'd bet on Kenny Boy being pardoned by Bush when Bush leaves office.

that's a good read.

Van Riper walked out and didn't come back. He was furious that the war game had turned from an honest, open free play test of America's war-fighting capabilities into a rigidly controlled and scripted exercise meant to end in an overwhelming American victory.

that pretty much sums up the "leadership" style of the Bush administration

Rumsfeld should have been fired long ago.

never say never :)

LOL! funny but not very appetizing

do you find that to be true? I know it's not good to get so wound up you can't function, but sometimes a bit of urgency and stress can prod me to be more productive. It's almost as if there isn't a lot to do, I go slower... if there is lot to do, I pick up the pace.

it could happen if everyone would demand it. Nixon was made to leave office for far less.

if that means he'll be out of politics, I'm all for it!

you shouldn't talk to yourself like that lol

how much of that is because the house and senate are controlled by the GOP? I'd like to see a change to that and give them an opportunity to act. But I would agree that overall they have shown little courage... and then someone like Dean, who has has the courage to say what he thinks, often gets lambasted for doing so.

ROFL!

I really like that one... when education became more than rote learning... that's when it became interesting.

I like that one... but is it true?

70% approval rating is excellent! I'd certainly consider him for '08.

Why I am a Democrat by Mark Warner

Submitted by jg51 on November 16, 2005 - 1:34pm.
by Gov. Mark Warner
Spring, 2003

Why I am a Democrat,
by Gov Mark Warner

"...In Washington the last couple of years, we've seen lots of talk, but few results. And we're heading in the wrong direction.

The last time we had a Democratic President, America saw the first budget surpluses in a generation.

Just three years later, the Republicans' own numbers show a future filled with deficits as far as the eye can see.

The last time we had a Democratic President, unemployment fell to record lows. But today it climbs a little higher every month.

The last time we had a Democratic President, the stock market soared. Today, it just sputters.

In 2000, America was promised something called "compassionate conservatism." And you know - that sounded familiar to a lot of us in the South. We had been saying for a long time - balance the budget, but not on the backs of working people.

But they meant something else - and all we got was more of the same....

Virginia hasn't voted for a Democratic President since Lyndon Johnson in 1964. When I ran for Governor, the Republicans controlled both houses in the legislature and every statewide office - and the White House picked our Governor to run the Republican National Committee.

And despite those odds, we won because we built a new coalition of Virginians.

We did that by laying out a message that focused on meeting the needs of an information age economy - a message that stressed economic opportunity, educational opportunities, and fiscal responsibility.

We started with the most loyal Democrats. We said to African Americans and to working people - We know that you have been taken for granted in the past. Those days are over. You will help lead this team.

We said, we're going to bring people together - just like Governor Winter showed us how to do here in Mississippi.

And then we reached out to Virginians in rural communities - to people who hadn't voted for a Democrat in a long, long time. And we asked them to give us a chance.

In a 21st century economy, you can be successful anywhere - if you have a good education and job skills.

We talked about giving young people the chance to get a good job in the place they grew up. Because you shouldn't have to leave your family or your hometown to get ahead.

We said, Virginia will never prosper if all the good jobs are in one area, and other places get left behind.

And then we said something that a lot of people had never thought of - you can like NASCAR - you can like hunting - you can like bluegrass music - and you can still vote for a Democrat.

We did all this because we recognized that if you're going to offer people economic hope, you can't spend all your time talking about the same old social issues that have divided us for too long.

You can't move forward if every discussion is about abortion and guns.

Those are all important issues, and we can't ignore them. But they create passion that often distracts us from more fundamental issues.

And let me say it again - if we can do it in Virginia, we can do it for America.

We have to do it for America. Because America deserves better than failed fiscal policy. America deserves better than an economy that leaves millions of people and whole communities behind.

And Democrats offer better. We offer optimism, and we offer hope for the future.

Now as you might guess, a lot of Republicans and Independents supported us. And since then, a lot of them have asked me, Mark - Why exactly are you a Democrat?

And I just smile. Because if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand.

I am a Democrat because since Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence - and since Jackson spoke for the common man - our party has never been the party of the status quo.

Instead, we have been the ones to see a challenge - and do something about it. Let's be honest - it hasn't always worked perfectly. Sometimes it has gotten us in trouble. Sometimes it has split us apart. But sometimes, those are the wages of progress.

And yet, I am a Democrat because the greatest and most noble political experiments of our time had their birth in our party.

I am a Democrat because the New Deal literally saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

I am a Democrat because a generation after a Democratic president started the Peace Corps, you can still find faded photographs of John F. Kennedy on the walls of homes from South Africa to South America.

I am a Democrat because fighting for working men and women is always the right fight.

I am a Democrat because our party led the struggle for civil rights and because we recognize that discrimination and bigotry are not dead - and that we must continue to seek equal opportunity for all.

I am a Democrat because despite our failures, our missteps, and our excesses - we know that waging a war on poverty does not mean fighting the individuals who are poor.

I am a Democrat because we know that today's battle is about the future versus the past - and it's time to put aside yesterday's battles of us versus them.

I am a Democrat because we know that criticizing success won't create a single job.

And most of all, I am a Democrat because when my three daughters go out into the world to make their lives, I want them to find a world where there's less hopelessness - less selfishness - and less violence.

I want them to find a world where there is more opportunity - more understanding - and more hope.

That is the mission of this party.

That is what we work for.

That is why we get up every morning.

That is why we're here tonight.

And our work is not done."

http://www.democrats.com/node/6879

Bernanke said that the Fed was conducting a top to bottom review of the central bank's responsibilities...

A friend of mine who use to work at the pacific exchange once told me that the thing the market likes least... what makes it most volatile is... uncertainty. Bernanke has to realize every word he says will be scrutinized... every move he makes cause ripples.

yes, I believe the Dems better represent the people and their priorities... they've just done a bad job of selling themselves and providing stronger leadership. But I think everyone is now beginning to see the short comings of leadership that's all bravado and no integrity or even brains and so maybe we are now more open to a change.

If the Democrats don't know what they believe in yet...

As far as I can tell, Dean is the only one trying to get the word about about the Dem agenda which you can read here:

http://www.democrats.org/agenda.html

and that has an action plan for getting the word out and the vote out:

http://www.democrats.org/a/party/a_50_state_strategy/

Let's not forget, it's up to us to do our part as well.

Granted many of the dems have been and still are wishy washy... but there are still quite a few worth supporting. Debra Bowden for CA Secretary of State is one example.

that's disturbing... didn't know that.

if we had focused on actually going after the terrorists, guys like this one, we could have avoided a whole mess of problems and heart ache.

morally equivalent? some of "them"? two wrongs don't make a right. something that is more wrong doesn't make something less wrong right. We have been the cause of much death and suffering of many innocent people because we have abandoned our ideals. We have disregarded the geneva convention and the human treatment of prisions regardless of their crimes. We no longer have the higher moral ground.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=11248174

and who are we to judge... we who run Abu Graib and Guantanamo... who preemptively attacked Iraq without just cause...

if congress doesn't keep Bush out of Iran, we are lost.

my thoughts exactly

turning around?

I just wish the current day Daniel Ellsberg would hurry up and get those copies made

no, I don't think it would make any difference... you're really coming from left field on that one unless there is some sort of strange demand for spanish speaking software engineers that I don't know about

I agree.

And one of the big problems I see with corporate America is that compensation doesn't work that way... you have a system where if you below to the good ole boy club at the top, you rake it in regardless of performance... and George W. Bush is THE poster boy for that system.

I totally support incentives based on performance... because it works and is fair.

My whole issue with basing percentage increases on current salary is because it skews the dollar amount increases based on what they are already making rather than how they are performing or what they contribute.

My argument with the Prez on the bonuses that I gave out was that everyone had totally busted their butt and all were critical to the successful operation. When you are a small company that's important. Everyone must pull their weight or everyone is effected. In larger organizations, dead weight can and does go unoticed for years.

lol...

was the percentage based on current salary or some sort of performance objective?

and if you ask me, the last two trump all the others

I don't see it as the "fault" of the government. Contract work, particularly in my profession, has been around way before the Clinton admin. IT really boils down to ways corporations think they can trim the bottom line and when it comes to trimming the bottom line, there's nothing like cutting salaries and benefits.

My friends aren't making a killing on the contract work and it isn't even coming close to replacing the value of their previous jobs from which they were laid off. It is very risky and does not provide for a regular income. It's something they are doing because they have to try and make ends meet. Job market is not anywhere close to what it was pre Bush.

good points!

I'm really sick of this business about calling them lazy. Some people don't emphethize with difficult life situations until it happens to them. Reminds me of Rush and how he talked about drug users until he had to admit he had a problem himself. Same mentality.

not that I know of and it's not a skill required for the kind of work they do.

I just love the "lazy" and "entitlement" excuse for brushing away the unemployment problem. I have several friends in my field that are still scrounging for work and doing contract work because regular full time jobs still aren't as available as they use to be.