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Those required filings haven’t been there, have they?
What Nobody12378 says is, not only the 8k is missing, but all recent required filings are missing. In his words: "There have been no required filings of any kind". That’s why he isn’t surprised to see there is no 8k. Remember this was a reply to mandeindet's question "Are you surprised there was not a 8k filing announcing ATIS transaction". Nobody12378 says, he wasn’t expecting one.
I think that if he meant that they didn't need to file anything he would have said:
"There have been no filings required of any kind"
instead of
"There have been no required filings of any kind"
But that's just my way of looking at it, with my lack of knowledge of English grammar as a Dutchman.
If that was true, then they would need to change the names on the court documents too. Plus it would harm their case. Because it might make it seem like selling patents is GERS industry, not selling the technology
So I don’t think that will be the case.
Nice to see the ask rise again. Not that it matters much, but it is an indication.
Added the board to my list too. Not much talking about GERS I see.
I think/hope you're right. But about
Not that I say it isn't him, but how can we be sure it is Kevin?
The post says "Anonymous said... " I know he writes Kevin underneath it not Kevin Kreisler by the way), and I expect concerning the Skunks history, that these posts are being checked. So that if the Skunk doesn't think it is him, he would delete them.
But since we don't know who the Skunk is, and Kevin didn't either (maybe he does now) and since these posts all are a bit unofficial, there isn't anyway to tell for sure, is there?
I hope he is, who he says he is, and I think so too. But something tells me not to be too trusting.
Harty, Could it be there was still an old sell order active, that you had placed but wasn’t completely cancelled yet?
Maybe there is some legal reason for that. But it stinks anyway. I'm glad I'm not using Ameritrade
I hope they will, but if I already was a trader who did just find out about GERS, and I did all my trading so fat through Ameritrade, I doubt it if I would switch only for that reason.
I could only imagine doing that at the time where it seemed we where close to finalizing the litigation. Some months ago when an outcome of the settlement negotiations was just around the corner. But then also I should have know about what the potential was, and there aren't many ways to find that out IMO.
I think most who know about it, just found out by accident about GERS. And for most that might not even be enough considering all the red flags and all the problems buying GERS.
Yes, my math is worthless if you want to use it to put a price tag on GERS shares at this time. It just gives an idea of what the value could be. But unfortunately this math doesn't match the price people are willing to pay in the open.
GERS not moving up that much based on the money Attis payed, is the same reason why GERS doesn't move to much based on market related news. There are simply too many unknown factors.
This is due to GERS history, the lack of reporting, GERS is too much unknown due to the lack of PR, badly tradable, the situation around the litigation is just too unclear, and because it isn't clear what they really bought since GERS is part of a larger deal. They are not buying common shares of GERS.
Oh and let's not forget, there is a huge STOP sign at the OTC markets, warning to buy GERS
JMHO
And they might have a better insight on the tactics. Where we might frown about some language used by GERS attorneys, could it be they know the real reasons?
If GERS looses the appeal, would GERS loose all clients?
5 times JVCo’s Consolidated EBITDA during 2018, 2019, and 2020 sounds like a reasonable number when it comes to future income without the result of the litigation.
If the clients switch over to ICM, they also need to pay for it, so why not stick with GERS?
I also wonder what the construction will be if GERS wins the appeal. I don't see Attis pay 4 times the Consolidated EBITDA if there is a one time very large sum included.
So it must be IMO that this money would be mostly based on regular earnings. And maybe the money awarded in the lawsuit would be considered money earned in the past?
I don’t see anyone tapping themselves on the back Harry style here. No one is say: look everybody, I was right, I did call this first, it was my call.
I just see someone who is giving their hones opinion as ever. Sometimes liked, sometimes not. There have been many times where Nobody1237 warned about the risks of GERS, and also about BTZO.
Now it seems that btzo might have been the wrong hore, it is suddenly tapping yourself on the back, when you give the sane arguments you always did? And when there still was a chance you where wrong, these arguments where all a lie? When price moved up and people where cheering, nobody was allowed to say it was a pump because you where killing the hype, and now things seem to collapse, it is wrong and called back tapping?
And I even argued against you, saying it isn’t the real prove. So much for protecting my own interest.
My main reason not to expect too much of btzo was always that, GERS was the main owner and the only one named in the lawsuit. And btzo looked more like a enpty shell.
And my main reason to buy btzo anyway, was for that small chance I was missing something.
Yes al the other info helped making up my mind too.
But writing on the wall IMO isn’t just about the hard facts, but more about flags and gut feeling.
You’re right that I also ocasionally thought there where posibilities to lift along on GERS. But I also kept it realistic saying it was a long shot
“So really the writing on the wall was a mixture of protecting your own interests in GERS”
It was honestly never about protecting my interest in GERS. Because I always believed the movement by GERS was only temporary until the outcome of the lawsuit was final.
I didn’t anticipate this new construction. And I also reacted just as negative on less positive developments like the lack of sec filings. But while having a discussion and thinking about it, and processing new information, I sometimes realized I had to change my opinion, and so I did.
But you can find enough posts by me being negative about GERS. But if I was more positive about BTZO, I would have bought more and just sold some GERS.
Like I said it was never about protecting my own interest. Just believe whatever you want. But I’m and always been as honest as can be.
Since this ‘information’ was shared so shortly after the purchase by Vittis, I would suspect that this information only a short while ago got known by this person.
I think someone might have talked to an insider from either Vittis, BTZO, GER or the lender and just asked for some more details.
And maybe someone just shared that info by accident or on purpose.
No info we can rely on, but plausible for sure.
I agree, but I also know have to be honest that at the time I (and a lot others) bought BTZO, the writing was on the wall in capital letters.
A lot of posters, including me already said it looked like, btzo wouldn’t offer the same chance of making money out of the lawsuit. Still I bought, just in case, to cover all bases.
Some however ignored all the writing, and told it was BS, and tried to convince others to buy BTZO. IMO it are those who are most to blame for giving false hope.
I understand how people don‘t like it when I say something that might not help the PPS at this time.
But I always gave my honest opinion, and I will continue to do so. Even if it is ‘bad’ for my own investment.
If you have been watching GERS for over 6 years like I did, you probably started buying soon after the last resplit when you did notice dillution stopped and a lot of things changed.
If you’ve followed this board, you also know I know all about Kevin’s lifestyle and about his and his beauty queens social media shared activities.
There are many signs that would be considered red flags, by those who don’t look beyond the history. But for those who combine it with all the court information and the signs between the lines, get to read the full story, and see that this isn’t the GERS who diluted and had so many reverse splits.
I own shares of BTZO, but there is no way I will start a lawsuit for that money invested. Any idea how much a lawsuit will cost you? I don't know how much you or others did pay for their shares of btzo after that transaction of btzo owning gers, took place. But will it be so much that a lawsuit will cost less? Yes maybe you can win, but do you have the resources to pay for it meanwhile?
And even if you'll be able to do it for free, is your time worth that same amount you might get from it?
I'm going to take my loss, check back once in a while to see if maybe by miracle this will be transferred in to a blockchain stock or something, but I'm writing off my investment. It was a longshot any way.
This sounds very promising:
Thanks, here is a direct link, to help others find it:
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=12793101-1285-21948&type=sect&TabIndex=2&companyid=11718&ppu=%252fdefault.aspx%253fcik%253d949721
In what way would that serve them in this deal?
I understand, there might still be some discussion about the value of BTZO if there is a positive outcome of the lawsuit, but I don't think this deal with attis can bring BTZO toward the 10 cents in anyway if BTZO doesn't represent anything of value on its own.
Also remember KK wanted to merge al of his companies, now with this new joint Venture, can it be that al of his companies are now at the same level in this JV?
Bid and ask spread already a bit better then yesterday. Hope we move back toward the dime.
The money payed by Attis for Flux is clearly most payed for the ownership of Flux. Flux probably owns 80% of BTZO and based on the old filings BTZO owns 80% GERS.
Now what is bought seems to be Flux, but then as a new holding. It could be that in that holding BTZO still owns GERS, but it could also be that Flux just owns BTZO and GERS.
In either way, it seems that Attis needed to talk about this deal to GERS. I did wonder why, but Joby explained its most likely because GERS owns the assets.
Since BTZO isn't named in the PR by Attis, its seems likely that there is no special reason for Attis to talk to BTZO.
IMO this means that the value of BTZO is of very little matter.
Attis payed (so far) 18 million for the ownership of 80% Flux, which contains 60% BTZO and 51% GERS.
It might be they are even going to pay more.
The question rises, for what part did they pay this money.
Since it seems it is GERS holding the assets, it is most likely they payed this mostly for GERS.
It seems like BTZO is mostly an empty shell.
That's why I think this deal will do very little for the BTZO share price. I own some BTZO, but I don't expect too much out of it. I did expect something, but since it seems that Attis don't even need to talk with BTZO, I'm wondering if it is worth anything.
I hope they will also profit, but I don't expect it.
IMO there also will be no direct profit for GERS unless the share structure and reporting chances. Or unless GERS common share holder will also receive a bid on their shares by Attis.
So, NO I don't think BTZO can achieve a penny with these developments.
BTZO was a long shot for mosts, and I think the chance to make money out of this lawsuit for BTZO owners now is even less.
I also got a good feeling about. I’m looking forward to see some PR by GERS.
Even wish I could afford me some more at this time.
Just did some simple math by the way. If $18 million buys 51% of GERS (I don't know what else would be of value in Flux and yes $18 million is an initial price). Then the 20 million common shares represent $7 million. That would be 35 cents per share.
Doesn't sound to bad for the time being. The lawsuit could offer way more, but if 35 cents is the bottom...
Hi,
A question. A friend of me who owns some GERS at 12 cents is a bit worried. He thinks KK is looking for a way out, because he might have lost faith, and that he has sold a large part at this time to get the most out of it.And that the reason he might be posting in public again is that he wants to try to avoid panic and a massive dump by the larger shareholders. Attis might in his opinion have acquired the large part of GERS/FCC to let it make a loss, and then obtain just the patent. Biggest reason for his concerns are the timing, and the initial sum named. He also wondered about how many employees GERS has. Any ideas?
I don't share these concerns. Like joby showed there is still a lot we don't know about this deal money wise.
But are there other reasons why this 'can't' be the case?
Thank Joby,
I see, sounds good. Let’s hope it’s a small part, or that there is somekind of special arrangement about the settlement.
Funny is that it would mean they would own 51% of GERS now. (80% x 80% x 80%) just enough to pull the strings. So KK seems as it appears now, to have given up his ownership. That might mean a complete new course. But isn’t 18 million a small price for that?
Seems like it
Like I've said on the GERS board, theocratically, this seems to be the situations, based on old filings. There are no updated, so we need to go by those. But I don't trust them a bit:
Attis owns 80% Flux
Flux owns 80% BTZO
BTZO owns 80% GERS
GERS owns the patent or like you say the assets.
But still then why do they need to go through GERS to buy acquire FCC? It's al owned by KK, and he has the full right to sell FCC, since he owns a majority in all three companies.
It seems weird to talk with GERS, but not with the other companies.
And Flux Carbon is the parent of BTZO, now why would the negotiate with GERS to obtain Flux Carbon?
I wonder if that deal/money was in anyway connected to the Genarex acquisition?
yeah I realize that. We are just missing to much information. If the intended merger between BTZO, GERS and FCC took place, then how can it be we still have our separate shares. And if they didn't merge, that why do they talk to GERS to buy Flux, if flux is on top of the hill and GERS at the bottom?
It looks like this is the new situation:
Attis owns 80% Flux
Flux owns 80% BTZO
BTZO owns 80% GERS
GERS owns the patent.
So like I've calculated before. The common shareholders still own about 20% of GERS, unless the OS represents less. But it looks like nothing has changed for GERS
The 80% owned by the other companies just gets more divided.
Don't they need to offer the common shareholders the same possibility to sell shares?
Maybe someone forgot to make it a all or none order on both sides. Might sound familiar
But also, like I said before....there are people who pay no brokerage fee, as an introduction to their new trading account.
But yes, I don't expect anyone to choose to buy or sell only 40 shares without change in PPS on purpose.
I see a small spread, but I got the feeling this is just a manipulated price range. Any one level 2? I still assume that buying 100.000 shares at once would bring us back to the .07 - .09 range. But also that the ask would be brought back down to this level soon after that.
Someone might be trying to get this down for some cheap ones.
If the goal was to get out, I would expect more activity.
Neither Genarex and Attis sec filings on Edgar confirm that. Also, the connection to GERS still is vague.
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=138788858
Does this prove GERS owned Genarex until now, or just that KK did?
And how will we profit by the sale of Genarex?, even though we might own some patents. There are no recent filings showing that a sell of shares will make money for GERS
Twice “no”.
I never said $100 to get rich within a week by just trading GERS.
And if you start an account over here in the Netherlands, you can get a couple of hundred $ free of trading fee. And even if you do have to pay, it can be very little, depending on your account. A rise of 4% can be enough to make a profit.
So with trades on otc stocks, you could get rich easy, if you could predict the highs and lows of the day.
If one was alble to always buy at the lows and sell at the highs, one would be able to be rich within a week, after starting with $100 at day one.
There is a reason why monkeys can beat the experts at trading stocks.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-hedge-fund-geniuses-got-beaten-by-monkeys-again-2015-06-25
“Isn't it also correct that if the price were to go higher next week, and if that wise investor were to take advantage of that rally to sell those four-cent shares, he could have a much higher short-term percentage profit?”
It’s all depending on the amount of shares bought and sold at those price ranges. And how many already have their sell orders in place, forcing someone to either sell lower, or not to sell if you want to take that profit.
Unless of course you’re talking about theoretically profit, based just on price levels.