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How will em get your post since he doesn't read it?
A dog baying at the moon has more impact than complaining about Ed here. At least people who care will be able to hear the dog.
" if they plan on generating revenue based on royalties.., or if they will be selling complete parts direct through Eurotron? " is what you originally posted.
Manufacturing is what I took the above comment to mean. Anyway, time to move on to whatever you were trying to figure out. I have no idea what the purpose of what you are asking is, or even what it is but it seems to be some kind of micromanagement question about who is making it? - none of what you wrote matters because the only thing NXT investors care about is the royalty that we will get and it is Eurotron's or the solar cell manufacturer's headache to make it.
Read my lips. They do not manufacture now, will not in future. They have no manufacturing expertise. They have never planned to manufacture, and I have told you before. It is not a pleasure to keep pushing dopey ideas off this board into the garbage container.
nxt will never become a manufacturer. Get with it, you have been in this forever and the model has always been to license to those who have facilities. A favorable point in your defense however, is he only mentioned that he is aligning with manufacturers about 6 times in the interview, so you are excused for missing the point.
Amarillo, if that is how they speak it in your parts, you guys got the degraded version of that old saying. The correct version has the words "if his soul was on fire" instead of "if he were on fire."
As far as speaking your mind and complaining about Ed here though, that is a waste of your time because no one cares about a chat line, and there is no governance for companies listed on this stock exchange so as far as I have been able to find out here, there are no agms to vote in change anyway.
It is hard to justify to your BOD why you want to spend $35M for something that might never be allowed to get sales, so anyone buying it would have to be advised by mzei management of the latest epa discussions, which means it would have to be a friendly deal.
The special tube you want to see is called a sterilizer and isn't just a simple thing to prove it works to the epa or fda. It has to be a controlled chamber so at any minute the manufacturer can explain what is happening inside, and the epa has to believe the write-up of the entire process, sort of minute by minute.
EPA scientists wrack their brains looking for anal questions to ask companies trying to get a product approved, because they worry more about approving something that kills 1 person in 20 years than saving the lives of millions who die unnecessarily of a disease.
Been looking at that for a few years, Dec 2013 I believe was the first presentation where they talked about it. Those places are looking at a lot of suppliers, so not as if they have an exclusive contract.
Hopefully, although this goes on every year or so but the tech has never been strong enough to compel the manufacturers to sign up. They had some deals in their lawyer's offices last summer but it isn't easy to negotiate a company maker deal with someone who has the factory, and a system that already works.
Read my last post. Positive trading days are a mirage, like negative ones. It is all about the EPA, and nothing about what some investor decided to do unless you believe every trade is orchestrated by an insider, which is virtually never the case especially in something like this where the office is small and there are just a few who know anything - unlikely they are going to tip some friend, because with modern computing and communication systems the SEC can track that kind of suspicious thing much easier than the layman thinks.
All $23,000 of today's "strange" trades don't amount to a hill of beans on Monday.
They solved the positive but there is no time frame given for the negative portion. They have worked for 6 years to get the positive, with the Vanguard personnel who they acquired, so the market is snoozing until a complete cake is baked. Besides, no one is even using their furnaceless process, which is needed to happen as part of the tandem - investors rightly or wrongly, say this is just dreams to this point, unless you know someone working there who can give an unbiased description of what the timelines are.
wishful thinker is an understatement describing your hopes. No one pays $345 M for tech that has no sales and probably wouldn't even pay today's market cap - watch Shark Tank sometime to see what the going rate for unproven tech is - not to mention no approval to even sell the product.
It is 100% waste of time following volumes, bid/ask and any other trading patterns in an attempt to mine information. Garbage information in = garbage out so you can't make reality from a nothing event such as trading volumes. The people who trade this stock are not doing it with illegal insider info and are just ordinary speculator/investors hoping to make a buck - studying their volumes for patterns is fruitless - they change daily.
GreenO, I wouldn't be so sure some attorney's views are of ANY interest to the EPA. This is the biggest question mark for mzei.
dingdong, the international scene is not the same as in the US where the Medicare rules (government) mandates that HAI costs be borne by hospitals. In Canada for instance this rule does not apply because the government body similar to Medicare thinks the bureaucracy involved to keep track of HAI costs isn't worth it - perhaps Europe is the same? They tried to sell in Cda but failed, so perhaps expensive marketers can get the job done and perhaps they can't.
Now I can see why another startup company headquartered and operating purely in the US didn't list in the US. I sold my shares in it because I have other companies in my sights so am not spamming, just providing below what they say on their site about US exchanges. Btw, the Venture index has crashed badly (every year, lol) since this company put this message up, so any investor who took a broad based investment approach to get exposure in many Venture listed companies has been using a guaranteed formula for poverty.
"Why We Chose TSX Venture Exchange
Natcore Technology, Inc., is a public company listed on the TSX Venture Exchange (TSXV). Known until 2001 as the Canadian Venture Exchange, TSXV is owned by the TMX Group, which also owns the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX).
While TSX deals mostly with companies boasting larger capitalizations, the TSX Venture Exchange is a public venture capital marketplace for emerging companies—particularly in the mining, energy and high-tech industries—that have not yet met the assets and market cap requirements for listing on the TSX.
In the U.S., small startups have a steep uphill climb. They’re often relegated to the Pink Sheets, where there may be little trading, little visibility, and even less regulation. And the American Stock Exchange requires a $50 million market cap for a company to be listed.
So Natcore chose the TSX Venture Exchange as our platform to raise growth capital. Here’s why:
Canada is startup-friendly. TSXV allows new companies to be listed. This leads to much more liquidity and visibility than the U.S. over-the-counter market.
TSXV is very well regulated, resulting in an orderly marketplace and less risk and more stability for investors.
Canadian markets have a good reputation worldwide, an important consideration for young companies that have not yet earned investor trust.
The TSX Venture Exchange has 2,258 listed companies as of December 31, 2012. NASDAQ, by comparison, has about 3,400 listed issuers. For more information on the TSX Venture Exchange, you may visit their site here.
http://www.natcoresolar.com/investors/
powerpak if an annual gm is not forced by this exchange's legislation, how did the 2009 one occur?
futurist explain how WHO has a tight liaison with EPA.
powerpak are you telling me mzei does not have an annual shareholder's meeting legislated by some kind of US company's act? Public or private companies in Cda have to do one every year - it is called an AGM, not a shareholder's meeting. The company lawyer is always present just in case someone tries something weird, and a rep from a scrutineer company employed by the exchange.
What do you mean in "imo." Are you just saying some of the 13 didn't vote for him or do you have the total affirmative share count? I have been to a few hundred agm's since Calgary is a head office city but never bother voting or even watching it - Aren't the abstainers counted as affirmative?
jack the issue is not a question though. Rather, it is a statement of fact that the votes are there for Marshall so that is how it goes. A Code of Ethics, Pentony or anyone else at mzei has nothing to do with it - voting control must like Marshall - so be it.
Only way this is an issue for other shareholders to consider is if Marshall is the control block - then you would have to wonder if he is capable of running the show - otherwise if he isn't the control block then you have to assume they watch him.
Maybe every stakeholder counts in an ivory tower government bureaucracy like the FDA (where it takes 5 years to get a sterilizer approved while Cda and EU take 1 and 3 Months respectively.) In business the controlling shareholders are all that count, and minority guys' issues are just nuisance calls - stock goes up 10% and half sell out and mgmt is left with questions from a new crew of small fry.
17 year - "You have to ask how much longer the BOD is going to persist with a CEO who just does not perform."
Not likely the COB and CEO can be ousted by a board - he must have lots of voters in order to get both jobs because it is conflict of interest.
This is the shaky foundation of your last post.
"Its all guesswork, I'm not aware of the difficulties they are facing ..."
20% discount is the max you can take on a Cdn listed stock. What is the discount restriction on this exchange?
zeppo you are mixing government not paying for any company's product to be tested, with your desire to have testing done. Then factor in the fact that spineless has nothing to do with it - governments are the worst decision makers so are not the places to manage r&d or testing or anything innovative for that matter, so it is proper that they stay out of it.
This isn't the only novel product desirous of a test arena.
His comment is true that market often drops below pp so I would not go for the 6 month tie-up.
Wow, Els, I would never do a 6 month hold pp without deep inside knowledge (which being a pp is legal to buy when being inside, otherwise mgmt would rarely be able to subscribe to one). Considering the history of this company, no pp subscriber ever had that so Whatisvalue's analysis in post 37586 is 100% valid.
The Exchange requires a 4 month hold in Canada, and I believe/guess the same for US listed. The hold is to prevent a scam for cheap stock, because a brokerage is not required for a pp (ergo no one is overseeing the pricing/market conditions/company financials etc. because the exchange is just a bunch of bureaucrats who don't have the time to study in depth all of the pp that are issued every day and in fact would be the worst form of government interference if they did, since a pp is designed to raise money from high net worth individuals QUICKLY) so the exchange wants the hold to last through at least one reporting session.
Hold period terms have nothing to do with BOD - they could care less as long as they can find someone to provide needed cash it is a good thing in their minds. I have done lots in Cda and you have to be high net worth to qualify in order to prevent the inexperienced from getting sucked in to an unsupervised scam.
They aren't going into production, so likely don't need a savvy business person. All they need is scientists creating products and people like Marg.... to oversee the installations of the best of breed for sovereign nation product purchases.
All I get is gibberish when I click on anything in this link for XBRL files, but perhaps that is for SEC auditors use because the PDF symbol in the top right works for the info I wanted.
http://www.medizoneint.com/september-30-2014-10q/
Ben, share price manipulation is just a theory pulled out of the air with no proof.
"As far as the BOD goes, their only visibility is when they periodically award themselves..."
BOD are strategic oversight for a company, not usually employees, cheerleaders or commissioned salesmen. Visibility is not their job. I see Marshall is CEO and COB - red flag.
btw, I am not familiar with the US filing system for financials. Canadian listed companies have all their filings on sedar.com which is free and accessible to all. Where do I get mzei filings? Someone posted a getfile address on this board a while back but I don't know if that is the process?
Greeno there is likely nothing for mgmt to share because the EPA is free at any time to take this any way they feel - meaning EPA doesn't provide a nice roadmap of remaining obstacles to study. You just keep coming up with more test data to counter EPA arguments when they show up from out of the blue, and sometimes it takes a long time to get it all together for a rebuttal which pushes the timelines back.
If they are ever stymied by something it is game over until they redesign a new device that would require a new application for, so they are not at that point - it would require a nr.
It is not necessary to follow every trade for significance and wear your heart on your shoulder each time. This company has been in "maybe next quarter" mode since 2008, improving the tech as it goes, but not to the point a manufacturer deal can be swung that both sides agree to. You would have had a very irregular heart pattern for no purpose if you took sp movements seriously over that last 6 years, because none of it has the slightest significance today.
The "market" as you can see from this board is just speculators (who likely don't know more than you do,) who play it as they see fit and perhaps as their savings allow, so if you think there is some brainiac ruling over the market to provide order and a defined logic that you can bank on, you are wrong.
You may be right about that part. Until they get through some testing I should be mainly focused on the 35% opex improvement plus the potential from the lifetime improvement - potential is unproven and so may never occur though- my mainly useless guess is that is where the nebulous 5% arises.
Net effect is we are now at 35% cost cuts plus the extra 4-5% efficiency compared to 23% total in the previous calculations when there was 1 last furnace to go.