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i posted it here, i just cut and pasted, it has the date, and i also posted it there..
and i disagree with that last line.. it doesnt help the longs.. im sorry, im not jeff,, you will have to ask him.
also, keya...
if i knew any details. i would have told you.. you need to realize that i had nothing but i had enough to know it was time to bail.
you didnt like that i warned the others. thats wrong on your part, i did the opposite, i ran with it and posted it for the world to see.
our friendship should NOT break up over this,, you really have it all wrong here.. i did all i could and gave you what i had. and i felt nervous.. i told you that.. others begged me not to post what my hunch was.. but i had assumed maybe a 90% buy back like last year.. jeff didnt tell me anything.. he would be shot!
i took the time to call or email him.. thats it. you could have done the very same thing.. and the question is.. would you have shared it? no, i know you would not have.
here i see its in fact 95% and below the price? that is unheard of. keya, im asking you now.. dont let our firendship die, you have me all wrong. i did what i could.
not mine, i bought raven moon and it r/s and i had no idea what that meant,, at the time.. and it slammed back down to .0001, then they did it again, but i was out by then at a massive loss.
(i also posted it on 2 other sites i visit for all to see)
Posted by: only1gail
In reply to: None
Date:6/29/2007 12:33:42 PM
Post #of 39678
a recap..
a line from jeff's 6/13 email-
"Yes, we have a plan to reduce the float soon, and it will not be a reverse, the company promised, and it will not be another cd debenture".
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a line from paim's p/r 6/11-
Yes, we have a plan to decrease the O/S float, and it will not be a reverse split, the company promised it would not do that, and PAIM will not. PAIM will not do another CD debenture either. It will be something that will benefit all long term shareholders.
dont focus on that pay back, but if you choose to hold, my point is, you know the pps should rise like last year, and if it hits penny land, you make it back and more.. but yes, my math sucks.
oh, yes, i see, i was tyring to post an example,, sorry,, but my point is,, what is left, like my 10% last year.. still flew up in pps.. sorry about my math.
keya,
i told you when i called you that i just got off the phone with him (as i had just hammered him with questions).. and he cant tell me anything.. but that i think i figured it out.. you said "did he tell you something" and i said "noooooooo" in a sneaky tone of voice, remember that?? i felt really bad for hammering him so hard with qs til i figured it out. i asked him about the p/r and eamils he put out.. he could not comment further keya.. that said it all!
you asked me not to post about it til after the divy so YOU could make the most of it,, so you are not being truthful! i sold before the divy and told everyone why,, did you post anything you do for all to see? no!
i hope you taped our call and listen back to it,, you will be so sorry for accusing me of this. i told you what i could and what i felt i got from the call. it was a 99% hunch i had after talking to him. jeff is a truly good man, that is stuck in the middle.. he will talk to anyone.. look at the weit deal.. billy posted an email jeff sent him. jeff will talk to you ,, just call him.. i did.
keya,, he rushed me off the phone!
and you said you trusted me?? then why didnt you sell? you didnt trust me and you held.
i am dumb at stocks but i know what i went through last year.
and i can deduce from non answers just as much as answers.
no, i apologized if it was taken that way.. again, you dont believe me and im sorry for that too. that was NOT was it was intended to do.
go ahead, i know everyone is mad, so bash gail.. not paim. its ok.. im getting used to it. my hubby and dad were right, they said,, you will take a massive beating if you try to warn or help them.
dad knows best, but i would do it all over again. it was plain as day. i did all i could. im sorry. :'<
what? i didnt pump paim, i warned everyone what i saw from the p/r and email. what is wrong with you!?
you know what, its not a loss for anyone.. if you hold, and thats your choice.. consider this...
if you have 1mil shares.. you will keep 500,000 shares.
if it hits .01 in aug from the p/r we hope will be amazing.. then you get $5,000!
so what everyone doesnt get is,, everyone is still a winner,, if you hold, you are still in the game,, if you sell, like i did.. i will get back in the game.. i may have to chase the crud out of it.. so am i better off to buy now at 1? that i dont know, but im so far planning to wait.
yes, i know that but was it just cause of the buy back or was it with a nice p/r to follow, i guess it doesnt matter.. again, i try to learn from my painful lesson but i cant remmeber much.. but that they moved the buy back date and gobbled up the rest of my new shares.. ouch, that hurt.
so ill hope this time they keep w/the date, i may buy some on the 23rd and more a week later.. ??
a friend of mine on s/w was able to get .0002 for it, but yes, i agree, it will probably, like last year, settle and flatline at .0001.. or maybe flippers can get it for 1 and sell at 2. dont know.
just for fun, i tried to buy 20mil at .0001 when it was boucning 1 and 2, but i couldnt get 1,, then i saw it start to flatline at .0001, so i cancelled my buy. its just too scary right now.
i was just going to try to ad a little money for a later purchase.
haha, that was funny. sorry, but it was funny.
im sorry, thats the last thing i want to do and i was trying to explain to him/her that paim cant win no matter how they reduce the float. it would cause a lot of pain and anger if they did.
please accept my humble apology. :'<
wow, i didnt? thats funny. i thought i tried in vain to warn everyone.
australia, although we banged heads, i would NOT buy it at .0001.. not now.. well, unless you are ok with having just 5% and maybe thats ok.. really,, as the pps will skyrocket later..
but again, im reaching out to you guys.. me personally, i wont be touching it now unless i dont think i can get back in later.. you know?
what are you saying stratey? ashamed of what,, doing my best to keep reposting a couple of lines that said it all? im not ashamed, but i am extremely sad over losing friends (and i gained some friends) over this whole mess...
but im proud of myself today right where i stand. i got bashed bad for warning the others.. even my own buddies got mad at me for posting.. but i had a bad feeling.. so i told my friend i will not talk about it again til after the divy.. since he felt my post hurt the whole market. im flattered but thats not possible, my posts dont mean anything or everyone would have sold when i did.
i posted when i sold, and that i would rather keep my money vs getting a 100bucks for a divy.
how should i be ashamed? ashamed was if i didnt share my thoughts. and greedily cupped my hands.. and drooled.
or even if we have to chase it, any buy will be better on the 23rd. i cant imagine.. but maybe it will stay steady and low for us.. as the rev report isnt due til the end of aug, and a lot of flippers will join in probably around then?
im trying to remember how it was last year.. did it jump just after or with news.. i cant figure it out. but whatever..
some are so mad at paim, they will let their dreams go with such bad news, but they again, need to hear me out.. i went through it and lost big time but it did run from .0001 to .0065.. mad or not.. paim can make dreams come true if they would just listen to the p/r and emails!
now hold on just a minute.. jeff warned every last one of us in the only way he was allowed.. he is not allowed to come out and say "hello, we are buying back at 95% and paying nothing for it so please, i care about you guys, sell it now, and wait"
but instead, he posted in emails that the divy had a loop hole and didnt do what it was intended to do, he posted that another step was coming.. the p/r from paim directly said that too!
you guys.. i took that info and ran so hard with it and tried to warn those i know and those i dont even know, that have paim, and just read the boards but dont post.
jeff did all he could to tell us! and some of you know that!
even if you werent on his email list, it was posted.. all his emails for all to see.
yes- you all screamed for lower o/s! so you got it!
no, like i said a million times when people were asking how paim will reduce the float, like you all, i had to believe it cant be an r/s or another cd.. as they promised that.. and poor jeff has put up with a ton of our questions..
it was obvious we all knew they had something planned, it was in the p/r and email,, and i kept cutting and pasting the important lines.. it said the divy didnt flush out the shorts and the o/s needs to come down. so they had to do something else.
its funny how, if i have a hunch, and i post it.. im bashed for my ideas or warnings.. but what if i didnt tell a sole my hunch from my awful experience last year when i lost 90% of my shares.. you all would be upset that i didnt share my thoughts or experience from last year.
my hunch was way off though, i was thinking maybe a buy back but wow, 95% and wow, .00002? or whatever it is?
last year, after losing 90% i still had a few bucks left.. and as i have posted many times, i had bought some shares the day after the buy back deadline but they moved the date forward w/out warning and gobbled up 90% of that too.
so im now sure when ill buy back this time.. your guess is as good as mine, i would think that the 23rd is a good day to do it.. but i dont know. im just teling you what happened to me last year.
it looks like paims battle has begun.. im surprised that its still at .0002 with such news. maybe its at .0002 because of the gtc buys from those not yet reading todays news..
so, sellers should try to get .0002 before it hits .0001 at least having double their money for a purchase after the 20th.
this line in the p/r says it all..
"shareholders who opt not to participate in the buy back program may want to sell their shares before the record date."
even paim is spelling it out.. it could be worse, i friend of mine on s/w told me he had no news or warning of a r/s with a stock and woke up and there it was, 1/1000 r/s so at least paim is giving everyone time to get out.
he made one mistake and he owned up to it.
thx wise, i was thinking he meant the grey line.. isnt that neutral also? ive not heard of a black line before today.. as i say, im learning every day. a friend tried to explain it to me also.
i just learned that the market closed at 1pm va time? wow, i thought it only was closed wed. it caught a few by surprise..
also guys and gals.. im in bed early tonight for a very long day at work wed.. please please post wisely.
have a great 4th everyone! **crackle, pop, colors, crackle**!!
i dont see a long black line? do you mean the one showing it from .0004 to .0003? on the chart?
an email from jeff..
Good morning everyone, I am back In Manila right now, I have seen it al, and will be getting to my emails, and concern's as I get back to the states, I am sorry that I have not been able to keep in close contact with you, but I do have alot to share. I am sorry to keep this breif, I just wanted everyone to know That I amd alive and well, and I am very impressed. I have lots to shrare, so for know good morning, and I will get right to work as soon as I arrive in the states.
Thank You, Jeff
i agree, but name calling is not allowed,, when hes called a liar, etc, thats name calling.. but give opinions..
im not necessarily talking to you.. but give opinions all day long without calling him names, just as i would protect any of you from that.
this board is out of control tonight.. matt is counting on me to keep o/t to a min.. so that is why some of that had to go, it went on and on back and forth.. like watching a tennis match.
guys, please.. i love o/t as much as the next guy, but he has asked and told me to keep it to a min off hours and nonexistent during hours.
hey, hes just thinking outside the box.. i like that.
i see some stuff going on the board and im still catching up. i want to say that any personal attacks on jeff will be deleted.. he is a poster here as well, and a member. so please, enough personal attacks. thank you.
herb, i will not delete your post as its not personal and i agree with your concern(s)and appreciate your politeness.
i trust jeff, but you dont have to.. i reposted the highlights as a reminder, or warning.. thats all..
im trying to learn from past history, you take it for what its worth. thats all..
i pumped, then bashed and sold in anger a couple or so months back.. i was all over the place.. cause i was confused, but .. jeff came along, posted pics, emails, sent crazy ecards?????????
have you EVER had funny ecards from an i/r? i dont think so.
hes different.. i believe that he truly cares about us or he wouldnt have posted what he did. you do what you feel is right.. thats what its all about..
he comes back on wed. we havent heard a peep out of him.. at this point, im hoping he is ok and he gets home safe.
he busted his butt getting these supplies for the kids over there.. he put up w/some serious prejudice from some managers of stores that wouldnt assist him with the supplies when they found out what it was for (i hope its ok i say that) but you have no idea what crap he goes through.
i think i understand. hes a good man.. i believe that.
keep your shares,, thats your decision..
janice, you were right to not post it.. im proud of you because, what if i bad credit (well, i have excellent credit) but my point is, read the story in 2003, it said jeff and jen are visiting share holders.. they may have had no idea of his background, etc.. jeff and paim dont know me from adam, yet they invited me, after they invited you, on a free trip..
if i had bad credit, does that have anything to do w/paim? no!
at least he was man enough to have me post to the whole world, literally, that he was wrong (about the divy date).. so what!
i really think that hes a good man, i just feel it..
keya, as we know, there is still a problem w/the shorts.. and jeff said so in his email.. about that loop hole i keep talking about.. so in a later email or p/r, i forget which, they have more to come to finally get rid of them and get the pps up.. just what that is remains to be seen.
sure, im suspicious but hopeful.
you have no proof "f".. but i have proof of things to come in the p/r and emails. you know it too, dont you? :'}
2 things..
i wonder who keeps "painting" paim at .0004? someone just spent 10 bucks for 25,000 shares at .0004..
would that be the m/m doing that? i really dont know.. its just odd is all.
also,, feel free to call her.. i dont know her at all, i had only asked her about prol.. shes very nice, call her..
alice .. agn assoc.. 916-760-7712
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i agree keya. :'>
i agree, im looking forward to the rev in aug. :'>
and congrats on your divy..
gooo ihub! :'>
i think the pps would go up w/good news but you are right, its much better if the float is reduced.. im so glad they said no r/s as i have been through it w/raven moon. r/s just seem to slam right back to .0001,, and we all lose. you lose if you sell early to avoid it, cause chances are you bought on the way down (averaging down) or you lose if you stay, cause (at least in my case) ameritrade wouldnt let me sell for 3 days!! while all i could do was watch it drop out of the sky. very frustrating.
if you read the p/r and emails i have reposted that paim put out.. you will see something is coming.
im a paimer, shares or not.. im a paimer. :'>
i learned a hard lesson last year.
i think balance is needed too... debate is healthy. as long as its w/out personal attacks and we are doing really good so far here. :'>