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king, once in for all, i had assumed last year was about to repeat itself. i can ask any questions i want to an i/r.. you guys could too. he cant answer much, and i can deduce what i can from a call, or the emails or the p/r.. and i had NO idea there would be a 95% buy back.. i had a hunch only that maybe it was another 90% bb since they said no cd or r/s.
jeff did nothing wrong,, i slammed him with questions to the point he had to push me off the phone.. he said on the phone as he did in p/r and email, no cd and no r/s.. i asked about if it would be a buy back, and he had to go!!!!!!!! i respect that.
i was thinking maybe another 90% buy back and thats it. but i know how that destroyed the pps last year. keya thinks i knew some details i didnt have.. and that is the truth.. i had no idea.. my hunch was off, but it still had the same result.
i passed on what i had, but i cant make up stuff just to please who im talking to. i simply learned from my past buy back mess.. and hit him with the p/r and email questions.
keya, if i knew more i would have told you but im glad i didint as you felt it necessary to smear me as best you can.
i would have no problem talking to sec or whoever.. and my ONLY crime was passing on my warning to everyone.. and for what? nothing.. a bunch of name calling and thats it.. everyone is like,, why did you sell.. and why did you post you sold.. causeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i decided i had enough dd to do it and i was going to tell anyone that cared to listen.
not to hurt paim or anyone, but to give the few who even read my posts a chance to hear what i thought. and then make their decision.
now it happened and im the bad guy. keya asked if i can sleep, no i have lost sleep from those who bashed my idea and bought more,, it really made me very sad to see that.. they were pumping the stock on r/b and ihub.. and wouldnt listen to me.. im so sad for everyone.. even those i dont know.
my crime is making a mess of things as usual but meaning well.
no, i only posted it cause i didnt get the email but a friend got it and i realized others didnt get it.. so i simply posted it.
apparently not. :'(
a friend of mine got this email but i didnt,, and some others said they didnt get it.. if it was posted somewhere, i missed it...
---------an unverified email fyi, just passing it along-------
Good morning all shareholder's,
I know that everyone has alot of question's, and I will be getting to
them soon.
I also have alot to share with you, from my trip, lot's of exiciting
pics, and info.
I just want everyone to know that I am back in the states, at home.
My computer was broke coming down the mountain, so I am going now to
get it repaired,
or a new one, and have this harddrive put in it, since about 4 gigs of
pics and video is
on it.
I will be doing this as fast as possible to get this info out to you,
while going over
all the emails, and voice mails, so that I may address your question's.
I will try and have all of this done by the end of this weekend, and
hopefully all
of your concern's addressed.
I will not be able to address all shareholder's independently for so
many question's
are the same, I will be addressing shareholder's through a group email.
Thank You, Jeff
janice,
look, if people hold or even choose to buy..
if they have 1mil shares..
95% is bought back
you keep 50,000
if it goes well into the penny's its a winner.. my measly 5mil i was left with out of 50mil looked real nice at .0065, but i mishandled it and lost it all buying paim on the way back down. and had to pay tax on top.
but there is hope for everyone.. thats all im saying.
wow, thats an even better question.. they would be sitting pretty if they can convert later to common.. as i continue to kick myself for converting and giving them away..
vol, thats what i have said for months.. even before i converted my pref and cd to common, i said, "beware guys, this kind of thing will flood the market"..
a guy on another site had a great question, it was if he has his common shares in hand, can paim take 95%? or is he in a great position right now?
i dont know? does anyone know?
thx hasher.
i would be happy to talk to them (sec) its ok, really,, i did what i felt i needed to do. and it backfired.
thats right, and i called keya and then i posted it.. what is so secret about that? good Lord! even if i had not called him (which we are allowed to do) it was still clear from the warnings paim put out themself. read jeffs posts and the p/r.
whatever.. you think what you must. my only crime here was trying to warn anyone who would listen.. im sorry it went unheard and now all the sudden, it was. (too late)
im sorry you feel that way. i was only trying to say that after my questions and reading the pr and email jeff put out.. it was obvious. we are allowed to talk to him,, you all can do the same thing. i was afraid to call gary but jeff seemed very approachable.. im allowed to post what i think.
if i had inside info w/details,, i would not be posting a thing!
what is wrong w/you people?
and why are you upset when i was saying i would sell.. vs pumping a stock that may go down?
the whole point was missed. im sorry.
i posted it here, i just cut and pasted, it has the date, and i also posted it there..
and i disagree with that last line.. it doesnt help the longs.. im sorry, im not jeff,, you will have to ask him.
also, keya...
if i knew any details. i would have told you.. you need to realize that i had nothing but i had enough to know it was time to bail.
you didnt like that i warned the others. thats wrong on your part, i did the opposite, i ran with it and posted it for the world to see.
our friendship should NOT break up over this,, you really have it all wrong here.. i did all i could and gave you what i had. and i felt nervous.. i told you that.. others begged me not to post what my hunch was.. but i had assumed maybe a 90% buy back like last year.. jeff didnt tell me anything.. he would be shot!
i took the time to call or email him.. thats it. you could have done the very same thing.. and the question is.. would you have shared it? no, i know you would not have.
here i see its in fact 95% and below the price? that is unheard of. keya, im asking you now.. dont let our firendship die, you have me all wrong. i did what i could.
not mine, i bought raven moon and it r/s and i had no idea what that meant,, at the time.. and it slammed back down to .0001, then they did it again, but i was out by then at a massive loss.
(i also posted it on 2 other sites i visit for all to see)
Posted by: only1gail
In reply to: None
Date:6/29/2007 12:33:42 PM
Post #of 39678
a recap..
a line from jeff's 6/13 email-
"Yes, we have a plan to reduce the float soon, and it will not be a reverse, the company promised, and it will not be another cd debenture".
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a line from paim's p/r 6/11-
Yes, we have a plan to decrease the O/S float, and it will not be a reverse split, the company promised it would not do that, and PAIM will not. PAIM will not do another CD debenture either. It will be something that will benefit all long term shareholders.
dont focus on that pay back, but if you choose to hold, my point is, you know the pps should rise like last year, and if it hits penny land, you make it back and more.. but yes, my math sucks.
oh, yes, i see, i was tyring to post an example,, sorry,, but my point is,, what is left, like my 10% last year.. still flew up in pps.. sorry about my math.
keya,
i told you when i called you that i just got off the phone with him (as i had just hammered him with questions).. and he cant tell me anything.. but that i think i figured it out.. you said "did he tell you something" and i said "noooooooo" in a sneaky tone of voice, remember that?? i felt really bad for hammering him so hard with qs til i figured it out. i asked him about the p/r and eamils he put out.. he could not comment further keya.. that said it all!
you asked me not to post about it til after the divy so YOU could make the most of it,, so you are not being truthful! i sold before the divy and told everyone why,, did you post anything you do for all to see? no!
i hope you taped our call and listen back to it,, you will be so sorry for accusing me of this. i told you what i could and what i felt i got from the call. it was a 99% hunch i had after talking to him. jeff is a truly good man, that is stuck in the middle.. he will talk to anyone.. look at the weit deal.. billy posted an email jeff sent him. jeff will talk to you ,, just call him.. i did.
keya,, he rushed me off the phone!
and you said you trusted me?? then why didnt you sell? you didnt trust me and you held.
i am dumb at stocks but i know what i went through last year.
and i can deduce from non answers just as much as answers.
no, i apologized if it was taken that way.. again, you dont believe me and im sorry for that too. that was NOT was it was intended to do.
go ahead, i know everyone is mad, so bash gail.. not paim. its ok.. im getting used to it. my hubby and dad were right, they said,, you will take a massive beating if you try to warn or help them.
dad knows best, but i would do it all over again. it was plain as day. i did all i could. im sorry. :'<
what? i didnt pump paim, i warned everyone what i saw from the p/r and email. what is wrong with you!?
you know what, its not a loss for anyone.. if you hold, and thats your choice.. consider this...
if you have 1mil shares.. you will keep 500,000 shares.
if it hits .01 in aug from the p/r we hope will be amazing.. then you get $5,000!
so what everyone doesnt get is,, everyone is still a winner,, if you hold, you are still in the game,, if you sell, like i did.. i will get back in the game.. i may have to chase the crud out of it.. so am i better off to buy now at 1? that i dont know, but im so far planning to wait.
yes, i know that but was it just cause of the buy back or was it with a nice p/r to follow, i guess it doesnt matter.. again, i try to learn from my painful lesson but i cant remmeber much.. but that they moved the buy back date and gobbled up the rest of my new shares.. ouch, that hurt.
so ill hope this time they keep w/the date, i may buy some on the 23rd and more a week later.. ??
a friend of mine on s/w was able to get .0002 for it, but yes, i agree, it will probably, like last year, settle and flatline at .0001.. or maybe flippers can get it for 1 and sell at 2. dont know.
just for fun, i tried to buy 20mil at .0001 when it was boucning 1 and 2, but i couldnt get 1,, then i saw it start to flatline at .0001, so i cancelled my buy. its just too scary right now.
i was just going to try to ad a little money for a later purchase.
haha, that was funny. sorry, but it was funny.
im sorry, thats the last thing i want to do and i was trying to explain to him/her that paim cant win no matter how they reduce the float. it would cause a lot of pain and anger if they did.
please accept my humble apology. :'<
wow, i didnt? thats funny. i thought i tried in vain to warn everyone.
australia, although we banged heads, i would NOT buy it at .0001.. not now.. well, unless you are ok with having just 5% and maybe thats ok.. really,, as the pps will skyrocket later..
but again, im reaching out to you guys.. me personally, i wont be touching it now unless i dont think i can get back in later.. you know?
what are you saying stratey? ashamed of what,, doing my best to keep reposting a couple of lines that said it all? im not ashamed, but i am extremely sad over losing friends (and i gained some friends) over this whole mess...
but im proud of myself today right where i stand. i got bashed bad for warning the others.. even my own buddies got mad at me for posting.. but i had a bad feeling.. so i told my friend i will not talk about it again til after the divy.. since he felt my post hurt the whole market. im flattered but thats not possible, my posts dont mean anything or everyone would have sold when i did.
i posted when i sold, and that i would rather keep my money vs getting a 100bucks for a divy.
how should i be ashamed? ashamed was if i didnt share my thoughts. and greedily cupped my hands.. and drooled.
or even if we have to chase it, any buy will be better on the 23rd. i cant imagine.. but maybe it will stay steady and low for us.. as the rev report isnt due til the end of aug, and a lot of flippers will join in probably around then?
im trying to remember how it was last year.. did it jump just after or with news.. i cant figure it out. but whatever..
some are so mad at paim, they will let their dreams go with such bad news, but they again, need to hear me out.. i went through it and lost big time but it did run from .0001 to .0065.. mad or not.. paim can make dreams come true if they would just listen to the p/r and emails!
now hold on just a minute.. jeff warned every last one of us in the only way he was allowed.. he is not allowed to come out and say "hello, we are buying back at 95% and paying nothing for it so please, i care about you guys, sell it now, and wait"
but instead, he posted in emails that the divy had a loop hole and didnt do what it was intended to do, he posted that another step was coming.. the p/r from paim directly said that too!
you guys.. i took that info and ran so hard with it and tried to warn those i know and those i dont even know, that have paim, and just read the boards but dont post.
jeff did all he could to tell us! and some of you know that!
even if you werent on his email list, it was posted.. all his emails for all to see.
yes- you all screamed for lower o/s! so you got it!
no, like i said a million times when people were asking how paim will reduce the float, like you all, i had to believe it cant be an r/s or another cd.. as they promised that.. and poor jeff has put up with a ton of our questions..
it was obvious we all knew they had something planned, it was in the p/r and email,, and i kept cutting and pasting the important lines.. it said the divy didnt flush out the shorts and the o/s needs to come down. so they had to do something else.
its funny how, if i have a hunch, and i post it.. im bashed for my ideas or warnings.. but what if i didnt tell a sole my hunch from my awful experience last year when i lost 90% of my shares.. you all would be upset that i didnt share my thoughts or experience from last year.
my hunch was way off though, i was thinking maybe a buy back but wow, 95% and wow, .00002? or whatever it is?
last year, after losing 90% i still had a few bucks left.. and as i have posted many times, i had bought some shares the day after the buy back deadline but they moved the date forward w/out warning and gobbled up 90% of that too.
so im now sure when ill buy back this time.. your guess is as good as mine, i would think that the 23rd is a good day to do it.. but i dont know. im just teling you what happened to me last year.
it looks like paims battle has begun.. im surprised that its still at .0002 with such news. maybe its at .0002 because of the gtc buys from those not yet reading todays news..
so, sellers should try to get .0002 before it hits .0001 at least having double their money for a purchase after the 20th.
this line in the p/r says it all..
"shareholders who opt not to participate in the buy back program may want to sell their shares before the record date."
even paim is spelling it out.. it could be worse, i friend of mine on s/w told me he had no news or warning of a r/s with a stock and woke up and there it was, 1/1000 r/s so at least paim is giving everyone time to get out.
he made one mistake and he owned up to it.
thx wise, i was thinking he meant the grey line.. isnt that neutral also? ive not heard of a black line before today.. as i say, im learning every day. a friend tried to explain it to me also.
i just learned that the market closed at 1pm va time? wow, i thought it only was closed wed. it caught a few by surprise..
also guys and gals.. im in bed early tonight for a very long day at work wed.. please please post wisely.
have a great 4th everyone! **crackle, pop, colors, crackle**!!
i dont see a long black line? do you mean the one showing it from .0004 to .0003? on the chart?
an email from jeff..
Good morning everyone, I am back In Manila right now, I have seen it al, and will be getting to my emails, and concern's as I get back to the states, I am sorry that I have not been able to keep in close contact with you, but I do have alot to share. I am sorry to keep this breif, I just wanted everyone to know That I amd alive and well, and I am very impressed. I have lots to shrare, so for know good morning, and I will get right to work as soon as I arrive in the states.
Thank You, Jeff
i agree, but name calling is not allowed,, when hes called a liar, etc, thats name calling.. but give opinions..
im not necessarily talking to you.. but give opinions all day long without calling him names, just as i would protect any of you from that.
this board is out of control tonight.. matt is counting on me to keep o/t to a min.. so that is why some of that had to go, it went on and on back and forth.. like watching a tennis match.
guys, please.. i love o/t as much as the next guy, but he has asked and told me to keep it to a min off hours and nonexistent during hours.
hey, hes just thinking outside the box.. i like that.
i see some stuff going on the board and im still catching up. i want to say that any personal attacks on jeff will be deleted.. he is a poster here as well, and a member. so please, enough personal attacks. thank you.