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I think you two have it summed up right just a marketing company trying to make a commodity of theirs standout from the competitors. Its a competitive market getting more competitive by the day.
Has anyone compared the stain stike to Tides Stain stike that was marketed on TV??
They better be great marketers to hit 136M sales from 9m this yr. I calculated that WowGreen will have to do 400M in sales to give EESO 100M in sales. This is based on 25% revenue for every dollar WowGreen sales. The is faster than an Indy car goes to get to the finish line. Possible but very questionable. Then Jared has to come up with 36M for commerical sales. I think this is more probable. So we will see how good of marketers they are by yrs end. Oh by the why it might be longer than that because they have not reported 1 qtr sales on a timely manner.
The question did Jared and Mark look at the business card of the HanKool guy and it had Dow on it and say associated with Dow. We know Mark was peddling that HanKool or however you spell it was a Dow subsidary. We all knew it was just a distributor of Dow products. You even stated that Mark had this really wrong. When I searched these guys I knew there was a problem with Mark's statement because I know no large corp will allow their subsidary to handle a competitors product.
I still get the feeling and from what I heard that they are still testing the product. 12M sounds like a lot but to treat a resovior that big it will take large qty.
Great articles but do we know who the competition is?
EESO description- I was looking for the right words for Jared and I could not find them until you came up with blowhards
That is how I have to look at each PR that I read since we never get hard facts.
I know 100m is for new technologies but they need the data and as you point out the insurance is a big deal. The Asians are more detailed for data than the Americans.
They call them packers. I have experienced it in Japan but not that bad when working for Japanese co.
Goog points. Federal laws require that you can backup your claims. That is done buy having test data which EESO does not have. A lot of fuff in all of the statements. If Jared had a technical backgroud he could explain logically the differences unfortunately he cannot. All I ask for is the data so all of us can review here with our friends with technical backgrounds to verify all of Jared's claims.
Gov'ts spend 100s of millions on testing before picking a supplier. 12 M is not a lot of money for testing if you are talking about the largest resvoir in S. Korea and millions of peoples lives on the line. So you believe everything Jared writes in his PRs??? Like a large domicles US Co. When you found out the first offer was from the Lees. Did that count as a large domiciled US company?? Then he states it is the description for the second offer. I find this funny so I believe everything he writes no way. It is funny who told me this was a test. If you email with a number I will call you and tell you. You will die. I will not post here but I will tell over the phone.
Good points - I have asked for test data from the company because that is what is needed to prove to the Chinese gov't before you are allowed to call on the different agencies to sell your product. They do not have it. The Korean contract for 12M is a yr long test they are not telling the sharholders. Since they do not have the data these contracts I believe are tests that Jared is selling to the shareholders as sales. What happens if the product does not test out as good as the customer excepts then what happens to future sales?? I am sure they are comparing the EESO product against competitors during this time. I think Jard has a way with words that tells what he wants you to believe. If these are set up as test then I believe this is a real SEC violation.
Test do not mean sales they mean possible sales if the test validates the claims and the price is compeitive. Jared has away with words.
Good concern. You can use the following ETF currencies to help see how the dollar is doing. The only good thing is when the dollar drops the price of oil goes up. UDN & FXE looks like dollar started to weaken a month ago - about 8% now
You have any reasoning for the 3 yrs or you just SWAGing it??
The EESO buyout is going to take a month longer now - that is what we are going to here I believe.
Who wrote the questions on the wrong returnables at the bottler?? Supposedly it had ESI on it for EESO production.
My understanding of how returnable totes as we called them work
like this:
I was involved in capital expending for a line in MX
You usually fiqure about 1% in the sytem gets lost or in another
manufacturers system that does not get returned to you.
First off every manufacturer has his name on the totes. Then a card is inserted on the side or top with the part number, product, mfg, lot it is from, date code of the product, revision level and it goes on. This information is scanned into the computer when the product is recieved and and invoice and etc and accounting stuff is generated to pay the supplier.
So the point is it is possible to see a few of ESI totes in the line. If there are more than a couple it shows that the process control of the factory has problems and it is a first sign of possible problems.
I was not there to make a judgement but 1 tote I feel is no problem - they just need to return it to ESI and demand that EESO clean up there processes with ESI. The bottler should demand if EESO is going to use ESI totes they need to have that company's name taken off and theirs put on the totes.
There are intelligent people here to help refine your questions to get the just right when asking them to the co. This way Jared has no way to dance around them if you have your facts right from the intelligent people here.
My question on WowGreen is how much goes to EESO and what the profit is?? Allie is claiming 1B in sales in 18 mos or something like that. ( have to put a disclaimer in are the posters go ape sh--t if your off a penny - its not the numbers but the method and effect you need to understand without getting bashed) So if it is a 1B is it 30% that EESO gets after taxes?? In manufacturing 3-5% profit is good in competitive industries. I assume this is getting competitive so I think 30% is high. So they say Allie has 25-45k distributors signed up - that means $350 to sign up and an auto ship of $75 a mo. - that equals for 8 mos for the yr to be fair is @ $43,000,000 for 45k distibutors. So 30% goes to EESO which is around 13M. 13M for WOWGreen + 12M from Korea equals 25M. So where is the 100M coming from???? to make 136M for the yr
The more you look into what Jared says it gets harder to see how they will make the 136M - so you can see why the market has been basing the price on last yrs sales no forward sales forecast. So then the buyout is the next way to get the price up??? The numbers just do not compute when running them.
Many like you say in 2-3 yrs or more.
Interesting descriptions of the co.
I think they must have a high confidence they are going to win a chunk because they are hiring. Also to be with the Univ is a good sign it is good technology.
Question what would your guess be in dollars for this program Amy Bio Ops & Boss-U to EVRM?
What part were you from and did you go to Mizzou??
I just think Jared might have done more damage than good here.
I am not sure the marketplace will believe anything now.
It is a good little co. but they are pushing it like they will be 2-3yrs down the road as right now. When dealing with industrial co. they have no respect for you if you say something you cannot backup. No BS is allowed with these co. only facts.
So where are 1st qtr sales?? My understanding if they want to be a complying co. for the next step up on pinks they should have reported no later than May 15th. When the sales are only in the 12-15M range how are they going to convince the market they will do 136M for the yr?? I have heard they are expecting the 3rd & 4th qtr to be the big ones. Are they going to push the sales out like they are pushing the buyout out?? Lots of questions need to be answered. No more implied PRs will do any good.
I did not say that. I said I doubt it is a Fortune 500 co. The way the co. talks they are trying make you think it is by saying things like a large well known domiciled company in the US. That implies to most people a Fortuen 500 co.
Pinkies write PRs to imply things but they are not written with the exact words - is is implied writing.
I have said it is a real co. but the buyout is questionable.
I do not believe there is a Fortune 500 as the other offer.
I believe the offer if it is really real will be stock and cash. The question is the stock going to worth anything??
Is it just a shell - listed on the Nasd or another pink
I do find it interesting everything is going well. They never say that they are having any problems and how they are correcting for them. All the companies I have worked for things go good but we always had problems and would tell people the truth. When everything is perfect and going well I have to ask if there is a new God down there in Ft. Wayne.
Weak dollar plays - UDN & FXE
I do not know about shares for equip or services but my understanding is the restricted shares rules changed from one yr to 6 months back a yr or more ago. Check with Drift
The details just keep being pushed out. Reasons?? To buy more shares cheap for the buyer??? I find it interesting that we have so many people telling everyone how great things are going, Craig, Mark, Quinn and others tied to the co.
The more they tell us how good things are doing the more the stock goes do. Has anyone charted the Prs against the stk price. It would be an interesting chart.
These are excellent questions.
The next one would be how many have been bought by the prospective buyer.
My guess he has bought the 300M & 150M for the equip.
Then I am guessing they have bought another 500m+ shares
My guess is they have bought about some where between 850m-1b
share
So my guess the float out there is around 300M. I think they will drag this buyout so they can buy more shares. I would bet they would like to have the float to buy out (excluding 450M & 200M) around 200M.
I bet then they will pay 5cents cash plus .10 in shares. for these shares.
Again they will pay what the contracts a worth - no more.
They will pay what the contracts are and I bet it is less than 50M for the co. They can get their money back in a few years.
This is my guess and will be have some more weak PRs so they can buy up more shares.
I agree.
Thanks
I got your PM yesterday - thanks - I cannot PM but my email is gibber12003@yahoo.com if we need to communicate more.
Mr.Bigz what do you think of the chat for DPHIQ - I think that GM will buy out the electronic portion before they file BK to get rid of the junk of GM & DPHIQ
You got any proof for us IHubbers??
Thanks I see now
So you mean if you add it to your favorites list for internet sites?? Favorites on browser?
Bookmarks have dropped a little. Could someone explain exactly what they are?
The RSI and the 5EMA is moving down. We need some news - Yesterday the day chart looked really good. Today not as good - the market in general??
I hope it turns the chart is weakening.
My guess the buyer has bought somewhere between 600-800M shares this includes the 300M put to the side or what ever you want to call it. If Jared was telling us the truth 800-900M where in tight hands. I guess that means he, Allie and other who helped start the co. are the owners of these shares.
I would bet that the buyers have an agreement in the LOI that he cannot convert his preferred into common and put them in the float. The question is what type of agreement they have made on these tightly controlled shares. We will never know because this is a non reporting pinkie so we cannot see the share structure. My guess is the Lees and their friends have been buying everything they can. They want the co. so they do not have to pay them on the future sales to EESO. Korea sales forecasted to be over 50M. Also this gives the Koreans a why to sell their chemicals into this country. It all makes sense. My guess is they have spent around 10-12M on shares now and they will not pay more than 40+ total for the co. The PR is written on per share price not the total dollars for the co. So all they will have to due is buy up the remaining shares at a .10 price are better.
I guess that 100-200m left in easy float so .10 for them cash & stock.
My guess is they will pay less to Jared for his shares. Once they have majority control things will change. Jared in my guess is in a corner because he will not be able to convert his perferred if he wants a buyout from them. The other offer in my opinion is BS - MY understanding the first offer was from a well known large domicled US co. We can split hairs over the words but as lawyers say it is the intent - in my opinion he has not been truthful here because now it is in the second offer from a co like this. Jared is scambling to find another buyer because he does not like the terms for him on the first offer. This is my opinion for what it is worth. The buyer is reading these board and formula their strategy of who to keep and my guess they will change the team if they get the buyout. Jared has dug a hole form himself in my opinion.