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Well, we do know that FLPC has existed, but whether or not it will continue to exist soon is unsure. You are right in what you say, nobody know's anything except the Board of Director's. Anyone who thinks they know is just guessing because nobody really know's anything at all, even though they think they do :)
Nobody has a Crystal Ball but there's a 50/50 chance that a) They stay and do the job they intended to do......properly, or b)They go and don't come back as FLPC. We wait and speculate!
BeWary: Maybe someone know's something that everyone else doesn't about the coming week or so. Perhaps they're not just guessing after all?! Big news has to come in at some point, so if the 'Big News' posts keep coming once a week, I expect it will be right at some point in time. Question is, is the BIG news going to be good or bad, it works both ways?
I can also see a buying/selling frenzy today with the build up for this 'Big' news about to land here, just like a ton of Dung on one's front driveway! Mind you, that's 'stuffs' more saleable than a Ton of Ore containing 'Antimony', as it's already been 'assayed' and 'processed in Transit' ready for use. LOL
IGJKW: If they DO come back, FLPC is not in control of metals prices and these could vary to make development uneconomic. These forward-looking statements are made as of the date of a past news release, and they assume no obligation to update the forward-looking statements, or to update the reasons why actual results could differ from those projected in the forward-looking statements.
'GET OUT'
Although they believe that the beliefs, plans, expectations and intentions contained in the press release (last year) are reasonable, there can be no assurance that they will prove to be accurate. Investors should consult all of the information set forth herein (Past news letter) and should also refer to the risk factors disclosure outlined in our most recent annual report for our last fiscal year, our quarterly reports, and other periodic reports filed from time-to-time with the SEC.
For those that have a problem with this last paragraph, they are telling you that, "We've done very badly and made losses, but if after reading all the financial content in the Filings and all past company info. and if you STILL want to invest, on your own head be it" All they didn't add of course was "LOL" but I bet they though it!
Basically, what they are saying is that Caveats are in place. Can't be fairer than that! So, there you have it, you have been warned that there's every chance you will lose most of all of your investment. This FACT is written in Bob's own hand, if you don't believe this FACT, ask him!
Several have, but not guilty. I have never once called them scammer's directly, but certainly a moot point. If they don't come back and disappear, the word is justified. If they do, we shall see further down the line how they fair. If we get a repetition of the last 5 years with no results after any come back, plus the NEW input with dwindling funds for the cause, the word is even more justified.
Pitmann: There are a good number of staunch FLPC supporters here for obvious reasons who keep the faith, that's the idea of it, but yes, it doesn't bode well from the time point of view. I realise that 'News is due' before Xmas, but it also a question of what it will contain. Will be all or nothing? Nobody know's, but what I feel is that it's very unfair to all current Shareholder's that the BoD won't release company updates to appease those who have bought into FLPC.
So many people who have been here for ages deserve better, after all, they've paid money to own a small portion of this company. The least they are entitled to is for the BoD to be fair and reasonable with progress reports, but they are not doing it. This to me, is too quiet and somewhat ambiguous with regard as to whether any serious "Restructure" is really going on.
Don't forget the financial state of the company and to restructure a company with no assets and very little cash, has a limit as to what capacity it can be restructured TO. This is one reason why I feel that a name change may happen and possibly an amalgamation of this business into something else, perhaps without the FLPC name? Bearing in mind the costs, this to me is the most likely scenario and the cheapest.
I think they MAY drop the name, unsure, but now we have a Stigma built up over a period of time that relates FLPC to a non-performing business, along with a lot of name calling such as Scammer's and other unsavoury things. I think the name has to go and a new Business Model has to be built into something with someone who will actually turn the business into a producing one! Got to have the right contacts, the fair deals and the proper equipment, so maybe this is why it's taking so long?
JIMBOB: Go easy, mate otherwise you will have to wear 'Pads'! LOL.
How do you KNOW it will be happening soon? All we know is that Bob Claims it will be before Xmas. Come end October, if nothing has happened then, you can safely say news will be due soon. It just depends how committed the BoD is and whether or not they've been stringing everyone along. Hope not.
I still have reservations as to whether or not this "Restructure" will benefit the Dareholder's (not a typo). Nobody know's anything yet bar the Board, so keep guessing!
RJB: I would hold and wait. If people have come this far, they will hold until the end. I would rather wait and lose the lot (if it comes to it), or go long on the pre-text of FLPC doing what other's on this Forum say it will....should/could/might. I still think that the BoD should be fair with you all and issue ONE Public Notice so it would fair to ALL Shareholder's, at least as a Goodwill gesture. You have all paid for it!
Absolutely! Just a tongue in cheek take on the current situation. Nothing has changed, everyone is just hanging on to see whether or not the "Restructure" goes in the direction you want it. I hope it does for you, then I will eat lashings of Humble Pie.....with Double Cream of course :)
COME ON BOB, Let's have SOME news, the Natives are getting restless!
News has been 'on the Horizon' for months! The Train left the Station long ago and chugging away to who know's where.
The next Train about to arrive at Platform 1 is delayed indefinitely whilst the Track is undergoing "Restructure" work. No set time has been announced because funding for the track is put on hold until they decide which way track should go. LOL!
AKAWW: Re. 'Golden Ticket'. It's around, I have been waiting for one for years. Other people get it, not us (usually). It could happen here and a better chance with FLPC than winning the Lottery, but for me, it's too high a risk along with my other shares. One I have been in for 7 years and $7000 worse off (US Dollars equiv.) The other, is just in profit which cost me c$1600. It went up to around $3800 but chose to leave it and not 'Top Slice'. I will await December when the price should be about 8-10 Pennys. (UK Pennys). This will be the last time I indulge in Share Dealing. It's just not worth the hassle unless you happen to strike it lucky. Both my shares are in Oil rather than Kitty Litter.
RJB225: I haven't sent him many e-mail's and won't be in phone contact due to being in the UK, so what e-mail I did send him was initially, fairly standard with a few questions which he answered as best he could, but without saying too much. The second one I sent him was not intended to get a reply, simply because I 'spoke up'! I wanted FLPC as a company to get better comm's with the Shareholder's so they know within reason, what's going on. In addition, I laid it fairly thick on the line about their past performance and a few home truths just to make him aware how people felt about being kept in the dark for months on end.
I suggested that everyone Badger's the Board to try to hasten a response. needles to say, I didn't get a reply, nor did I expect one, but it would have certainly touched a nerve, but It was intended to. Maybe if more people wrote in with a few gripes, they would be pressurised to issue a Notice to you guys.
Having been and still are, in business myself for 25 years, being soft never get's you anywhere, hence I make a fuss and they remember you for it, good or bad!
AKAWW: Actually, that may not be as 'crazy' as it sounds. Given the time it's been, they may have tried one or two methods which have failed, and as you say, this could be another attempt to "Restructure the Restructure"! That's a good post! lol
RJB: Has Bob's e-mail's to you been fairly standard, they were to me? The e-mail's I got all sounded pretty much the same, ie: The "Restructure" was Progressing but was mostly non-committal. All I detected was simple 'sweet talk' but also very empty talk....no enthusiasm in his writings, only that he or Don had been travelling around various areas in discussion with 'other party's to get the "Restructure" sorted as soon as possible. However, this wasn't verbatim, just me paraphrasing what he said.
The overall tone of his mail(s) to me was a sort of 'malaise', tired and a sort of 'fob-off'. Everyone has there own way of concealing what they don't want people to know. Did this come over to you, or did he sound brighter as you have been in touch regularly?
RJB225: Why hard to see? I don't like to see people losing money when Share Dealing. it's not the posters here, everyone is pretty decent and defending their side, fair enough. What I DON'T like to see is a company who ethics appear to undermine it's Shareholders by not giving them a fair deal. Too much of it going on these days and I like to see company's who play a straight game. So far, FLPC does not appear to put it's Shareholder's as a priority, otherwise they would communicate better, so all-in-all, this BoD is dilatory and unreasonable.
Everyone here wants to make money, even me, (but not here due to the risk), nevertheless, I feel that FLPC could do far more about putting Shareholder's minds at rest with improved comm's rather than keeping tight lipped. One UK Company got a huge amount of Shareholder's together and formed a group, because a particular share was going bad. We all had a collective voice and formed said group who represented a large Percentage of the Shareholder's by share quantity.
We also liaised with the company who agreed to operate a Q & A system that would give straight and honest answers to the questions we had. We posed questions about once every few months and we go what we wanted which was ANSWERS! Here, you chaps hardly every get any public notices! For a company that claims how good it's was going to be, they are not doing a very good job for you.
We know there was ONE Fraudster. That was proven, as far as the Plural is concerned, it remains to be seen as there's no evidence. The nearest to evidence that we can see is Millions gone, but where? This is not conclusive evidence, but as far as I can see from the overall performance of FLPC, this company remains dubious until they can prove otherwise. If the "Restructure" fails, one needs to go in-depth as to what was going on during the "Restructure". We may not find out and if we cannot find out, it cannot be proven, only assumed. The reasons for failure (should it happen) won't all be made public, so you can make your own minds up.
If it succeeds and continues with success over a year or two, it would make us sceptics wrong about the future of FLPC but not necessarily wrong about the past, but may not be able to prove anything, and once again.....assumed, and if assumed, but not proven, there's no argument left to discuss. All we can do is see how it pans out. To me now, it's all quite interesting as I would like to see them succeed, but if their track record continues as it has been for 5 years, nothing may come of it. Open mind.
IGJKW: "No-one in their right mind would keep chucking time into a company
they are not going to invest in unless they have an agenda".
The strange thing is, that those who 'chuck' money into a company that has no RECENT or NEW Business Plan, should strike it off from their Agenda for now, until it's proven by that company there is a salient plan at all, and also proven not to be just a mish-mash of meaningless words. They will need to walk the walk, not talk the talk.
If I said to you, "Mr IGJK, I have a business opportunity that will make you a very well off man, but I want $50,000 from you as Joint Venture, you would demand to see what I propose, sit at a table for days, and go through all the nitty gritty of said plan to decide whether it was viable or not. PLUS, you would have it read by an Atourney who could pick the bones from it and ask questions before you put any money forward.
This is the same with FLPC and new investor's. Nobody should put any of their 'hard earned' cash here until you KNOW what they propose. There's no point in buying into something you know little about.
Old Chinese proverb say that "Blind man with full wallet has same chance of failure playing Russian Roulette as man with sight... but man with sight can swap guns with six bullets".
FLPC could be loaded in their favour, hence we need to know how the plan is and if it bears substance and we won't know until it's released!
Talking of 'stealing sweets from children' etc., A whole lot worse goes on behind closed doors, not just in the SEC but the AIM too. Sometimes, a Web Site could be a legitimate cover up for other clandestine operations :) LOL!
IJKW: "They did their research properly and CHOSE to invest in FLPC"If they HAD done it properly, they wouldn't be here! No-one in their right mind would keep chucking money into a company with no salient business plan with a chequered past and a more questionable future and most of all, a company with no money in the Bank! PMSL.
JIMBOB: Yes, because it voices the opinions of the people at the sharp end, those invested (and those who are not). It's those who are not that paint the true picture and from there, the researcher's can ask questions and make their own mind up. The very fact that the share price Soooo low should speak volumes. This SP hardly shows Market Confidence does it, then the question is why? It's very plain to see. FLPC is defunked! lolol
If they had done their research PROPERLY and read the Forum, they would have chosen a far less risky share that has OBVIOUS Probably an 'Internal' purchase to try to urge people to buy into FLPC. I bet that before the weekend, you will about the same amount sold and the %age will drop by the same amount as it's risen. LOL
BeWary: The American Stock Markets ARE closed on Labor Day. Bank Robberies always up on Labor Day! Wonder what Bob & Don do on Labor Day? ;)
ANYONE know why the OTC Chart only shows 4th September? The 5th, 6th and 7th are missing too. Has the company gone bust or delisted? If no trades are showing for today, they may have wound the business up without telling anyone!
IKGW: BAR1080 WAS ONLY ASKING how it was promoted, he didn't say it WAS by the means he suggested, so he's not "wrong, Wrong wrong"! You got the wrong end of the stick because he didn't know, hence his question!!
BAR1080: "7 year BULL market"? For years, the global market has been depressed, not BULL! At this moment in time, people are waking up to the fact that the BEAR Market is almost over and we are going through transformation times for some companies, but not all of them.
Had FLPC had a fairly good track record over the last 5 years, I could understand a restructure may help them, but consider all those years as losses, non-production and no significant turnover if any. At this moment in time, I personally think that FLPC is a very high risk indeed, and your last few words of the last post were, "Or likely, nothing" I assume you mean that nothing is more likely to come of this share rather than something?!!
This would mean that you are prepared to risk 'X' amount of Dollars, just in case it works out, right?
RJB: Fair comment. I wonder what it will consist of? It could be something that nobody has even thought about and could be a huge surprise that will change the face of FLPC. If it happens to be a dead duck, it will change the face of the Shareholder's! It's anyone's guess but I am astonished they've been able to gear it to a fairly accurate time frame: 'Before year end', so after 8 months or so of no news, no clues, they are 'confident' to be able to announce it to be 'up and running' before the year's out! Hmmm.
However, because the "Restructure" itself will be completed, that doesn't necessarily mean that FLPC will be up and Mining before year end too.
This "Restructure", if and when it happens, will be the completion of the ADMIN SIDE of everything. It could be weeks or months before anything physical that follows the Restructure that manifests itself to actually being productive.
If they are very clever, after all this time and the Restructure is complete, will they be in a position to 'Cut the Tape and start the engines to production there and then, or will it happen the week after or the month after, when they say they are putting all the necessary Plant in place this time the following month.....then we get the hitches and delays, then another 6 months before anything MAY happen in which case, the 'wise' investors will have been pouring money into FLPC only to find that nothing happens.....or it goes wild and they get mining 'Instantly'. Again, who know's?
I think the "Restructure" and dropping the starting Flag won't happen on the same day, hence I remain sceptical until I see it happening.
I have been in touch with BR a few times over the space of about 6 months, and each time, I use a different e-mail address and each time I get the same old 'Sweet talk' to see if what he writes is worth putting on this Forum. In fact, I can smell the reply long before it reaches my PC! Same old, same old about the "Restructure" is progressing but these things take time as so many other people are involved in assisting us with the final details.
I have always noted that each time Bob mentions the word "Restructure", he always puts it in Inverted Commas. To me, a word within 'quotation marks', usually implies a metaphor or something which means something different to that which the word implies in the literal sense. This tells me, the "Restructure" either isn't or is but not in the context we think, assuming there's one at all. Eight Months + now and still nothing.
It beggars belief as how they're treating you guys, I believe the BoD are being rather economical with the truth and the Shareholder's are suffering because of the Board's abysmal failure to keep them informed as to HOW they are progressing. A few cheap Words are just not enough.
Why they are waiting until 'Year End', I don't know. Why not a few months earlier, or maybe November or December. If they are working to a time frame, they KNOW something, so they should share some of this here. Hopeless lot who are using deliberate stalling tactics which may not be for the better.
IKGW: "No need to worry about my investments CE!"
I don't! It's not my money, therefore not my loss!!
BAR1080:
I wish you the very best of luck, mate. All I hope is that you haven't gone too mad because amongst all the tittle-tattle going on here about how good FLPC is or was, or how bad it had been or will be, we cannot foretell which way this company will go. Nobody has the answer, it is an exceptionally high risk share. IF per chance it works and you got in at less than 0.003c, it is possible there may be high rewards, that's assuming they actually come back from this so-called "Restructure". What's a few hundred Dollars these days? It's an affordable punt. Win? Great! Lose?, well no big deal.
Try to bear in mind that this restructure has been going on for many months with no hint of how & when, and what form it may take place in. The BoD has not issued any Public Notices to any effect that will encourage Investor's to splash out.
There is only limited research that one can do here, I've tried and all I can find is past records of things no serious investor wants to read. I have searched the 'Net for months, and it all comes back round to much the same, there are no clues as to what's really going on for sure. It could all change for the better, but......
I'm sure you are happy with your investment, but as you can buy millions of shares for a few Dollars, doesn't mean to say you will be able to offload them all at once IF per chance it 'Rockets'.
Having been share dealing since 2003, it's almost impossible to rely on hype or doom postings because none of us know! You 'pay your money and takes your chance'and hopefully before year end we will see which way they turn.....Boom or Bust, but check out the Fundamental's and read all the filings, which I'm sure you have, so having researched this company and looked at their, ahem, 'progress', I hope that you have a good strong Life Jacket, just in case the ship starts to sink very quickly! Of course, it may not and business will boom for the first time in 5.5 years and you will make a lot of money, that's the general idea. It all boils down as to who they will partner up with, because on their own, they can't do it. They need partners with experience and decent Plant, and that will cost BIG time, there's no denying it, so hold on to your hat!
Any Antimony found HAS to be Assayed, then processed and extracted, and what portion of Antimony that's quality, will have to be separated, and if it's not viable due to small quantities, then all that work is to no avail and they start again. Think of the costs, that's why they need experience, and that will cost too. This is why I personally think the whole thing may not be viable. We shall see.
Bear in mind how you may think the funding will be obtained and how much it will cost to really make this company sing out loud and Mine and process Antimony. It WILL cost many Millions with no guarantee of success (Their original words). Best of luck. I don't bother too much about IKGW's ramblings because he does need to think outside the box more and be more realistic about the depth of the problems FLPC faces, but I'm sure you are aware of the whole scenario otherwise you wouldn't be here!!
IKGW: And there YOU go go again:
"Oh, really?
Is that not an insinuation of some criminal or illegal wrong doing at FLPC?"
Maybe, maybe not and if so, what do you propose to do about it? This board is full of fact and fiction, mostly fiction along with obvious facts to back it up. It's been written here many times.
You are the ONLY one of a few hanger's on who actually believes that FLPC hasn't ripped you off and given you NOTHING back other than a chip on both shoulders.
OBVIOUS FACTS: I repeat: FACT: NO PROFIT, FACT: NO TRADABLE BUSINESS, FACT: NO LATE FILINGS, FACT: NO MONEY AND FACT: FACT: NO ASSETS. FACT: ZERO RETURN FOR ALL SHAREHOLDER'S OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. As yet, no "Restructure" and no evidence of one except the BoD's word for it, just like their word about turning FLPC into a 'Successful Mining Company' worth less than the paper its' all written on.
LCBM is right using the word DUPED. The evidence and facts are staring you all in the face. NO MONEY, NO INVESTMENT, BROKE, so....where's all your millions gone? A little Tin-Pot, NON-PRODUCING mining company with relatively small overheads has 'lost' Millions of your Dollars in Five Years with nothing to show from it. The whole thing stinks of Mismanagement, etc. AGAIN, the Share price denotes a near-worthless company.
It's been getting very clear to me that some investors cannot handle the fact that FLPC is doomed to failure and are far too insular to accept the obvious: Mismanagement from the start, or was it? I reckon they've achieved their goal, thankyou very much! Ker-ching! Refunds? No chance even though the purchased item was not 'fit for purpose'!
JIMBOBNUT
"Define "take cash out" for us please".
The removal of cash from a: A Business, A Bank, an ATM, a pocket or any such place that cash cannot generally be seen but withdrawn. The BoD's own the business. They are entitled to 'take cash out' as they think fit for any purpose which they choose, such as bills, Salarys/Wages etc. All cash removed from a Public listed Company has to be accounted for and entered into the Filings (that's if you can find the filings!lol)
Any money removed from a business that cannot be directly accounted for can be assumed as 'Director's Drawings' and Taxed as appropriate.
If this doesn't define 'Take cash out' for you, then in what context do you think BeWary means? The term is simple: 'Take cash out' = Withdraw.
As far as 'Accusations' is concerned, BW was not 'accusing' anyone and you are making it sound as if 'they' are committing illegal transactions! BW was simply making a statement of observation. A simple observation because FLPC has virtually no money in their Bank Account, so the BoD cannot be 'accused' of anything except the perfectly legal act of withdrawing THEIR money as and when they like.
As the account is very low, don't you think that it is low because they needed it to try to improve their business? It is also low because they have made no profit and no transactions conducive to topping up the account with profit from cash flow. Maybe it's viewed upon by some as taking cash for frivolous spending, which of course is clearly NOT the case. It is also low because cash has not been used wisely otherwise the business would be making a profit......and it isn't! That's mismanagement over 5 years.
Because the Director's live in nice houses and drive nice cars, is because they are clever and experienced people in their field and over time, means they will have been paid excellent salary's which has allowed them to save some of their earnings and reap the benefits of their labours and life's work. They may all have been fortunate enough to receive substantial inheritances from deceased relatives which would mean that NONE of the cash has been removed from the account of FLPC for ANY other reason except to try to make their business good for the benefit of the Shareholders and all involved, and in a proper and business-like manner...or would you disagree?
Pitman: Word of warning, I bet IF, and I say IF it does happen and it DOES move up, everyone will want to off load their burden of shares. Don't be surprised if you can't sell them all, or perhaps a large chunk of shares to try to get your money back.
In the UK, it is quite normal for a share to rise dramatically, but when you try sell the lot......you can't! We call it 'Negotiated Trade', or a bloody 'con'! because by the time you agree to sell as an NT, they hang on to the shares for up to 1/4 hour plus and by that time, they could have gone down from the Spike, but they can also go up!
With FLPC, I doubt they will be able to keep pace with the 'sells', so you may end up in limbo whilst the share crashes....or goes up. One takes one's chance. Thing is, FLPC has to come back 100% Positive because if per chance the "Restructure" fails, the may go into voluntary liquidation....if there's anything to liquidate, so you will have to expect that you could lose the lot, so be prepared.
Everyone has been so patient here, that I hope you manage to get something positive out of it; you deserve it. It won't matter to the BoD because they've already benifitted.
FLPC are safe and covered themselves for lack of performance all the while they are in 'business'.
"Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, we cannot guarantee future results, levels of activity or performance. Except as required by applicable law, including the securities laws of the United States, we do not intend to update any of the forward-looking statements to conform these statements to actual results.
Given these uncertainties, readers of this Annual Report on Form 10-K and investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Blah blah. Invest at your peril!
BIFF: Consider yourself lucky then!! No point in throwing money down the drain ;)
Yup! I see it. Happens every time. If the Restructure happens, you will a massive rise for a while before it retraces back into the doldrums. It could be tradeable......if one is careful, I wouldn't risk it until I see positive stability for weeks, even months.
UK National Holiday this weekend, so it will pour with rain!! I work Saturdays, forever. Sunday and Monday off. 8pm UK time, still working but had enough now. Cheers! Home for dinner.
That will change to Minus the same amount on the next
trading day. If you have been watching, as you have, you will know the pattern!
AKAWW: If they'd taken care with the cash in the first place and made prudent investment in the right areas, none of this would be necessary. It is some of our opinions that it was never meant to succeed, if it was, they would have made leaps and bounds to make it happen. It wasn't complacency, it may not have been mismanagement, they knew exactly what they were doing. If after 5 years they have only just worked out they have made a big cock-up, there is no point in Restructuring the business simply because they are laden with incompetence and should give up.
Maybe if they say all the right things, they will be believed, that's if they come back at all. They are all nearing retirement age, so if the "Restructure" looks really rosy and exciting, they will have done a great job in wooing the unsuspecting investor to part with more cash. The main thing you have to look out for is HOW THEY TALK. We have seen it 5 years ago and look where we are now?
If they say "we will do X and Y", look for clues and flaws, because I bet that IF after any "Restructure" happens, 6 months down the line NOTHING will have happened because of 'issues' that take time to fall into place, because they will have tripped up on the 'Pathway to Progress' which has never been properly completed and lost their footing.
Pitman:"Also, as opposed to what some may believe, if this was really a huge scam, then the company would have posted some big scam PRs to jack up the price so that they could sell off and move on. That did not happen.
Ah but, you don't know for sure what they are working on as we speak! This could be the big one, the Mother of all scams! LOL
AKAWW: A good and realistic post. Right on the money....so to speak!! You wrote it exactly how it is.
VOLUME TODAY is 0, Zero. This means NO Big News due.
NEVER HEARD ANYTHING SO DAFT, "BIG NEWS" PMSLYou cannot announce this before the BoD has put out a Public Notice otherwise it's Insider Trading. Illegal.
Once again, you are telling the Investors something which isn't true. You have been 'BIG NEWSING'on and off for months and nothing has happened. Ask Bob to release this as an official Notice within the next 14 days. If according to your 'Sixth Sense' it's about to happen, why hasn't there been a buying frenzy and the SP is still 'Rock Bottom' eh, eh?!
You are still being unfair to those who hold who will expect to see something happen inside 2 weeks. Not saying it won't as I don't hold the company's books, but I have serious doubts as to whether we will see anything.