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Bird of prey post not removed
I removed a few of yours, two of mine and one of sara's.
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I deleted a bunch of posts
as per matt. All personal attacks posts in the last 40 posts are gone. I even deleted two of mine. ANY personal attack posted will now be deleted instantly. I was hoping to not have to delete any posts but this board was becoming JUST a personal attack board.
If you post something which has a personal attack in it and it gets deleted, resubmit without the personal attack and it won't be deleted.
Let's talk about stock frauds here, shall we.
How about iveh, aree, tmot, sevu, slph. There are a ton of scam companies on the otcbb. 90% go bankrupt. Some because they were just scams, some because they were just bad businesses.
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I posted article on ASTN
from Philadelphia newspaper. I posted it on yahoo. All the ASTN longs attacked me as they said that article is not correct. There was a retraction somewhere deep in the company website about it which I didn't even know about. They said I slandered the company by posting that article. You can't have it both ways. If I'm a slanderer, so is anyone else who posts an article that is not correct.
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Kernaghan sued a poster for doing just that
He didn't win the case but he made this poor old man defend himself legally for years. Cost a few bucks. Go look it up.
I am being sued because fred wanted to keep me from posting that SEC litigation release and the accompanying news items which he had moved in the SEC site and deleted in the other sites.
What gets me sara is that you can say that that other company is a fraud but no one else in the world can say the same thing about another true fraud? Hypocrite.
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excuse me, sara, slander law
take a look at my lawsuit. The company does not have to prove that what I said is incorrect. I am supposed to prove that what I said is correct and is not slander. Even your god mst has stated the same thing. It's not my job to prove that you are posting incorrect statements. It's your job. Go do it. Quit just reposting everyone else's posts and do a little research of your own. Do it. Don't be so lazy.
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no personal attacks, jmhollen
you were warned, numerous times. You are only posting personal attacks. You aren't posting ontopic. Please stop it. You were also caught using multiple aliases. Quit commiting tos violations.
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Yes, it's from the PR
but it's not correct. I corrected you. Go email tony and ask him yourself. He's told everyone everything there is to know about his past. Search him on google and you can see it for yourself. It's all posted. It's even in his profile. It is defamation to post a known untrue statement even if someone else said it.
What if someone told me that you raped your brother and I post it as fact knowing that it's not true. I would have committed slander. What if I post under another name a fake press release in which it states you raped your brother. Then I use another user name and just repost the other user names post. Still slander, like hesh reposting posts he made in another name stating that I'm a known slumlord. I am not a slumlord.
Go dig up tony's actual record and post that. There have even been legitimate articles written about him that have been researched. Post those.
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jmhollen, watch what you say
You are not anonymous. I am not anonymous. Tony is not anonymous. Everyone knows everything about us. We are even using our real names as our user names. Please show proof that he stole from his mother to finance a big scam.
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wrong, bird of prey
Look at the rest of her statement. She said he's a recently released felon. That is the slander part. I don't think you read the entire article. This exchange also started on the yahoo board.
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tony's been sued before
He hasn't lost these cases. He's in a few suits right now. Check it out. Do a little real research, simple sara. You are slandering him by posting the above statement.
Being sued means nothing. Nobody wins these cases. I can sue the president. It would mean nothing. The president wouldn't be "guilty" and I wouldn't be the "winner."
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Great report on SLPH scam by Tony
entertaining as hell, too. I just love the pics and video. Get this, the CEO is actually just a gynecologist. This company has a miraculous invention that takes sulphur out of oil to produce more actual usable fuel. Like turning dirt into gold. I can't believe he got suckers to ivnest in this.
http://www.insidetruth.com/reports/report_slphkl.htm
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I said the same before lawsuit
The lawsuit has not affect my basic point of view of astn though it has reaffirmed it.
The report will be negative. At least you admit that much.
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smokey says he's a broker
message board stock promotion by a broker is prohibited by the code of ethics of nasd. He could lose his license like another broker just did.
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Report due out tomorrow
Wonder how bad it will be
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You can't pull content from geocities
because they don't want people using their free sites as free bandwidth for other sites.
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Go get em, matt!
Probably some punk teenager posting from his bedroom I bet.
If the guy is offshore, perhaps you could ask a local expert to sail over and pay the guy a visit
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boyi does sound like a scam
I love it when they come down hard on these people and lock them up. I think it's horrible when they rip off people like this. I wish the SEC here could do more but with budget cuts and such, it just doesn't happen. SEC here goes for quick easy fines and doesn't even enforce those.
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I thought I someone spying on me
Probably using a Seaview camera too
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discrimination against red heads!
I'm gonna sue! :-P
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I've seen Matt's chart
and he's not joking. Very studly
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testing, do not open anyone
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Geezer, agreed
They are doing it just to try and tell the public that the posts are untrue. They're also trying to quiet some of the weaker dissenters. Everyone with half a brain knows that it's just a read flag for more underlying problems, as if they don't have enough problems on the surface. They would not win the lawsuit. It just makes some stock promoters happy so they can tell everyone that "the paid lying bashers will be suuuuued." It's a total waste of money. Doubt they'll even proceed far.
Anyone here been sued, go to johndoes.org or email me and I'll tell ya how to fight it, by yourself, for free.
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my post was sarcastic
sara rats me out to other boards if I post their messages or even parts of them. Then she yells foul for posting copyrighted material. I mentioned the word ihub on yahoo and she instantly sent my post to matt to get me in trouble. She's also forwarding all of my astn posts to astn management besides tos'ing me for anything. I just wanted her to see what she looks like. I'm not about to waste the effort of "ratting" her out. Didn't realize anyone else was reading this board.
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paid bashers?
How would you know? Where's your proof? Please show us the contract or cancelled check at least.
How come the SEC has sued paid pumpers but no paid bashers? Is it because they don't exist, just the fabrication of paid promoters? Got to find some way to explain away all negative posts and sentiments.
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Infotopia Files Lawsuit Against Raging Bull, Lycos Network and
Several Message Board Posters; The Company Seeks Preliminary Injunctions
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BOSTON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 25, 2001--Infotopia, Inc. (OTC:IFTP) ("Infotopia" or the "Company"), today announced that it filed the complaint in the Bristol County Superior Court, Taunton, Massachusetts against Raging Bull.com ("Raging Bull"), Lycos Terra Network, Inc. ("Lycos") and several individuals utilizing message boards for the purpose of posting various misleading and harmful information about Infotopia and its officers and directors. The Company claims in the filed complaint that information disseminated by several individuals through Raging Bull's message boards has damaged Infotopia's name and its stock value.
The Company has also filed motion for a preliminary injunction to compel the defendants, Lycos and Raging Bull to disclose the names and addresses of the several individuals posting on Raging Bull. As the part of the same motion the Company requested to compel the defendants to immediately remove untrue and defamatory messages from their websites, until the trial or further order from the Court. The Company has sought a restraining order against the named Lycos and Raging Bull preventing them from publishing any further messages written by various individuals named in the lawsuit, until resolution of the lawsuit. Strojny & Strojny of Taunton, Massachusetts, has filed the lawsuit on behalf of Infotopia and its CEO, Daniel Hoyng.
Clinton Smith, General Counsel and Director for Infotopia, Inc. stated, "The Company and Daniel Hoyng have been under attack for sometime, we have tried diligently not to pursue legal actions, but the blatant personal attacks, death threats and outright misinformation being posted over and over, must stop. We gave the "bashers" plenty of notice and hoped they would stop. The damage it has caused Infotopia and Mr. Hoyng is great. We intend to pursue this litigation vigorously; it is time Lycos takes responsibility for the removal of the out right lies and personal attacks, even failing to remove the "implied death and murder threats", that they allow to be posted each and everyday. The Company has notified on numerous occasions of the misinformation but Lycos has failed to take any action to stop."
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Welcome to the sara board
where sara just copy/pastes other people's posts from silicon investor, yahoo and raging bull. I think they call that plagiarism, sara. It's also copyright infringement. I will be a little rat and report you to those boards. They should SUE you too. Any thoughts, anyone?
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jmhollen's tmot pick
Temporary bankruptcy situation? Total lie. New loan in hand? Total lie. Big financing coming? Total lie. Bankrupt january 9. He started buying at .015 or so in February for a week then started selling it with all these fake rumors to his bunch of fools. He also posted that millionaire wrestlers were going to loan the company millions. They just went chapter 7
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TMOT - Titan Motorcycle Company
A place where rumbling, thumping V-Twin Harley engines get turned into righteously great-big-mean "..Moto-Skooters.."!!!
http://www.titanmotorcycle.com/flash.html
Quoting the Taz, "...........Me want.........."!!
ps: Due to temporary bankruptcy situation, you can snag youself 100K of TMOTQ for next to nothin' ($0.019+/-)
pps: New loan(s) in hand, and Big re-financing coming along shortly..!!
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matt, I see little bugs
thought perhaps your server was just busy.
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jmhollen, pump and dumper
you still can't get over your loss on tmotq, can you? All the other pumpers just went on to the next scam. What's wrong with you?
jmhollen, I have all of your personal information, home address, phone number, name, educational history, resume... Would you like me to post it? You have caller ID on your home phone. See?
You have been posting information which leads directly to my home phone number and address. That is a tos violation. Personal attacks are also a tos violation yet you continue. I also do not have a porn business so you are posting total fraud and slander.
I have only posted your picks. tmot, iveh, world homes. These companies are either bankrupt or have sec problems yet you state they are good companies with long futures. You are either lying to try and manipulate the stocks or you are the worst stock picker in the world. Would you rather be called a fraud or an idiot? Your choice.
jmhollen, I have not been following you around the boards. YOU are stalking ME on my boards. Leave me alone or I will do the same exact thing you are doing. Two can play at this game. Your call.
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jmhollen, tmot failure still bugs you
I can't believe you spent so much time on this post just to try and save face.
You most certainly stated that millionaire wrestlers were coming to give the company money and save them. You stated it repeatedly. You knew that the bank had already forced them to liquidate their assets and "unwind" as per SEC docs yet you stated they were still a functioning business when they were not. I believe that is called fraud.
I also spoke with the bankruptcy attorney, employees, dealers, bike owners and had been following the company for three years. You were not looking at the company as a turnaround. You were doing what you always do, i.e. make up fake positive rumors about a dying company to try and get a little momo action. I saw the dupes you brought over to RB for the tmotq pump.
Anyone wants to see the real story, go to RB tmotq from february to may or so when they filed for chapter 7. When they filed for chapter 7, he said they were a shell play. And how does that help a shareholder with zero equity? Everyone lost everything just as I said they would. My predictions were l00% correct. jmhollens were l00% incorrect. Not one thing he said would happen did happen. He's just a momo player, willing to make up stories to try and rip people off. tsk tsk.
Anyone see iveh which he was also pumping? A fake aids cure which actually could kill people who take it. That is the scum of all scams and jmhollen here was pumping it all the way to the bank. What goes around, comes around. That's probably why you are so miserable and obsessed with me.
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article on otcbb world and message boards
Very interesting. I agree with it completely. There are so many companies here that fit this to a tee.
Trading and Investing Ideas for 2001
By Giando Argentina
Published by OTCBB News Network
The NASDAQ started the year in familiar form, shedding almost 180 points and hitting a new 52-week low intra day, followed by an incredible 324 point gain on the FED announcement lowering the fed funds rate by fifty basis points. The direction of the markets for 2001 is on everyone’s mind but most market participants are more focused on whether earning a living trading stocks is still a possibility. At the beginning of 2000 it really was not that hard and looking back, I think many traders now realize this point. During the first half of last year traders and investors were leaving their traditional jobs to find their riches in the NASDAQ and OTCBB. Unfortunately many are now back at their regular jobs. So what went wrong?
The obvious is that the NASDAQ lost over 50% of its value from the March highs and the OTCBB followed suit. Not so obvious is the fact that while the majority of traders and investors failed to realize that the market was changing a few market participants realized that their trading style had to change. During the summer and winter months the bulk of OTCBB participants placed blame on the usual scapegoats. The Market Makers, the FED or more importantly Alan Greenspan and of course the shorters and bashers.
While the usual cries of Market Maker manipulation and the all too familiar “hold on to your shares, the market makers are trying to shake out the weak hands” could be read on just about any financial message board, the more experienced participants realized that with the changing market conditions, mainly less money willing to chase stocks, the greed factor had to be reigned in and trading for just a few ticks and capital preservation was of the essence. Gone were the days of chasing OTCBB stocks to get a fill as they up ticked. These times were different and it was painfully obvious to see that on a rebound stocks many times had only a slight percentage gain before the sellers drove it back down. The buy and hold strategy was a liability this time around.
The FED and Alan Greenspan are the target for much of the blame for this market downturn, but it should be remembered that the FED is not responsible for the equity markets, what it is responsible for is to make certain that prices and economic growth are stable. Economic growth during the last couple of years was arguably not stable and in the eyes of the FED unsustainable. In other words, while last winter was a nice bonus, the citizens of this country are not guaranteed ever-increasing gains in the equity markets.
Now for the New Year and what it may have in store for us. Trading stocks and more particularly OTCBB stocks will still be profitable for some. Profitable enough to generate all or the majority of someone’s income. The difference again will be in my opinion, how the market participants view what they do. In the OTCBB market uncovering the next Microsoft is most probably not going to happen. While it was not unusual for a stock to climb from a few pennies to multiple dollars in a matter of days or weeks last winter, it is now a different ball game, the hype will still be around as always but investors have to get away from the message board hype and actually read a company quarterly report. Granted it is not nearly as fun as reading “XYZ is going to the moon, party in Vegas when it hits a dollar” over and over but chances are, applying common sense to investments and looking at the boring stuff could save many portfolios in the coming year.
There are market participants that focus strictly on very short term trading, usually holding stocks a few minutes to possibly overnight. Those are the participants that usually rely on the market as their source of income for day to day living. The short-term trader capitalizes on very small price fluctuations while at all times protecting the capital. Capital preservation should in my opinion come before profit. The day trader will usually not get caught up in the hype of a particular stock, but will be able to identify and capitalize on the hype for personal gain. The successful short-term trader will also realize that while market makers may at times manipulate the price of a stock for a short period of time, the market makers can also be exploited. They tend to move in certain patterns and when one learns and is able to anticipate those patterns and keeps the greed factor in check profitable trading opportunities materialize. In addition, the short-term trader does not place blame on the lack of success for a trade. Placing blame serves no purpose and the experienced traders know that the market is always right, even if the price movement does not seem to make sense.
The easy money is gone for now, but the trader will continue to be able to profit in the market because of discipline, adhering to a plan of action and most importantly understanding why OTCBB stocks act the way they do and capitalizing on the movement but not letting greed interfere with a profitable trade. The OTCBB market will continue to be a minefield for the longer-term investor in my opinion. Dilution will be the major pitfall. Most OTCBB companies will continue to issue new shares to fund operations in lieu of revenues and profits. At the currently depressed share prices dilution is much more of a factor then it was last winter. For the longer term investor deciding which company has a real business model and which is strictly a share printing business to benefit the majority shareholders is not a difficult endeavor but again reading the filing and conducting a little investigative work is a must. This kind of information is usually not found on message boards and if it is found there the board gurus will quickly dismiss it.
The New Year will undoubtedly hold many surprises for traders and investors alike and as always some will fail and some will succeed. The difference ultimately will be which market participants will assume responsibility for their success and failures and which participants will blame a number of outside forces for their failures. The OTCBB world is definitely not for the novice investor but ironically is comprised mostly of novice investors. It is far from a fair playing field and between some questionable companies, promoters, market makers and individual investors with hidden agendas it can be down right treacherous. The most powerful tool the investor and trader have at their disposal is common sense. If used it can make investing and trading in the OTCBB very financially rewarding as well as entertaining.
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jmhollen just sore he lost on tmot
he tried to tell everyone millionaire wrestlers were coming ot save the company. Then when they went chapter 7 it was a shell play. They were out of business the year before basically. The bank had already forced them to sell down their assets and liquidate and this guy was doing the old pump and dump.
This is why posting on message boards is a good thing. I prevented others from being entangled in jmhollen and joelongs webs of deceit. I was able to find who was pumping the dogs by doing a full text search here and on silicon investor. This is why we need that search back up, to see who's pimping what dogs to whom.
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listing requirement, liar
look at umcc sec docs. They were kicked off nasdaq as they were under a dollar for a certain amount of time AND because they had no net profits for the previous 12 months. You need to have net profits over 500K for 12 month period. Old rule that nasdaq started enforcing. That's why the otcbb has gotten to be so big recently. That is what nasdaq told umcc in writing.
You are a total liar, just trying to pump and dump loser stocks. Give it up, joe. YOu lost a bundle here because I continued to post the truth about the company while you tried to defraud people with your lies.
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no post numbers, liar!
here is the only post number you reference, liar, number 10645. How can they all have the same post number? This is your post. See how wrong it is too. UMCC is bankrupt. You were telling people for the last year and a half that it was a great investment. "We'll all soon be RICH!"
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=UMCC&read=10645
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you edited those, joe
they are lies.
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I never posted that joe
You are a liar. I always quoted the exact penny shown in teh SEC docs. umcc stated in their last sec doc that they do not have funds to pay their bills. That is why they filed for bankruptcy.
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I am not a basher
I post information, good and bad. People just like to shoot the messenger of bad news adn call them a basher. Read that article. It spells it all out. Insane long and paid shill words only.
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What is bashing?
I posted a news item which related directly to infotopia about their reverse 200:1 stock split. I see it's down 31% today. If you'd sold when I posted the news, you wouldn't have lost as much money. Posting negative news items is not bashing.
If you would like to be the lemming jumping off a cliff after your losing stock, feel free. I do believe that suicide is illegal here in the states though.
A Requiem for the message boards
Once a boards enthusiast, our columnist explains why he's had it.
By David Futrelle
If you ever feel like making a lot of enemies in a hurry, wander onto the message boards at Yahoo!, Silicon Investor or Raging Bull and say something less than flattering about, oh, any stock you feel like. It doesn't matter if that company's CEO has fled to the Caymans with his hairdresser and a briefcase full of Ben Franklins. If you persist in your criticism for more than a post or two, you'll quickly find yourself the least popular person at the party. In fact, you'll find yourself labeled a "basher"--roughly the equivalent of being charged with high treason.
Stock message boards have long been celebrated as a democratizing force in the world of finance. This is a crock. They are democracies only if you share the same rosy opinions as everyone else there. Whenever a basher speaks up (and basher, mind you, is liberally defined--it can apply not just to a poster who accuses a company chairman of pedophilia but to anyone who might note that 120 times earnings is an awful lot to pay for a share of Cisco) you can be sure that someone (or a half-dozen someones) will tear into him with all the subtlety of Mao's Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution.
It's a truism on the boards that anyone who has anything critical to say about a company must be a short-seller (an investor who has placed a bet that a stock will go down rather than up). Perhaps this is true. But many basher-bashers have also convinced themselves that most stock critics are the minions of vast (usually unnamed) short-selling cabals that pay handsomely for pessimistic posts. Various documents purporting to explain "How Bashers Get Paid" circulate widely. One claims that bashers are paid (by whomever or whatever it is that pays them) according to the number of replies their posts generate. "A basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each," says the anonymous text.
Basher paranoia is somewhat more understandable on the penny-stock boards, where stock manipulation is rampant. But there the real problem isn't the bashers--it's the boosters. In a pump-and-dump scheme, hypesters buy a worthless stock, tout it incessantly and then dump their holdings for a quick profit after enough suckers have piled on. Strangely enough, while the Securities and Exchange Commission has brought plenty of cases against Net pump-and-dumpers in the past few years, it has yet to find a single bash-for-pay conspiracy in action.
Since they stand to gain when others lose, it is easy to demonize stock bashers and short-sellers, to see them as "black of heart," as Wall Street wag Fred Schwed put it in his 1940 classic Where are the Customers' Yachts? After all, isn't it somehow un-American to hope a company fails, somehow evil to want a stock to go down? Maybe so, but even Schwed affirmed that a wide diversity of opinions on stocks is better than a single Pollyannaish view. "Dictatorships always immediately ban short-selling, since it is axiomatic that no professional pessimists are going to be tolerated," Schwed quipped at a time when Americans had good reasons to worry about foreign dictators. "But whatever the reader may think of totalitarian philosophy in general, I do not think he will envy them for the condition of their security markets."
Just three or four years ago, stock message boards promised to become a liberating force, a public forum free from the tyranny of the experts, where investors could go to compare notes on stocks and hash out disagreements about valuations. Today the boards can only be regarded as a failed experiment. Remember the so-called Iomegans at the Motley Fool during the late 1990s--the herd of investors who convinced themselves that a small computer disk-drive manufacturer in Utah was the next Microsoft and then proceeded to follow the stock off a cliff? That may have been the first indication that stock evaluation is not best done by committee. And these days it's hard to find any message board that hasn't degenerated into an embarrassing squabble between dogmatic longs and beleaguered (if equally dogmatic) shorts. For most serious investors, it can finally be said: Stock message boards are an utter and total waste of time.
At its root, the boards' problem rests with their mix of unquestioning, optimistic conviction and intolerance of dissent. These are two qualities you can find in many moments of America at its worst. The mandatory positivity many posters want to enforce is reminiscent of the blandly dogmatic (and thus menacing) Boosters' Clubs satirized by Sinclair Lewis in his 1922 novel Babbitt. The clubs, fraternal organizations for gung-ho local businessmen, offered "Booster Brothers" a place they go could go to exchange business cards and snappy pleasantries--so long as they didn't suggest that anything was less than peachy keen. Never was heard a discouraging word--it was practically in the bylaws. There was quite a bit of this sort of boosterism in the '20s. You may recall how that decade ended.
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