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Gotcha now. I believe you’re correct in the belief the case continues. I also belief they would be beyond the 101 issues once the dismissal was overturned ant remanded back to the District court.
Not sure I get where you’re going with this case. What were you trying to point out in the post?
Correction...that’s Athena not Aetna as is shown!
Wrong once again...there is no such thing as a “software” patent and the article is absolutely relevant to VPLM. Both Aetna & VPLM are arguing that their works qualify and are patentable under Section 101 as processes! They are both fighting against rogue judicial exceptions.
Quoted right from the USPTO website:
“First, the claimed invention must be to one of the four statutory categories. 35 U.S.C. 101 defines the four categories of invention that Congress deemed to be the appropriate subject matter of a patent: processes, machines, manufactures and compositions of matter.”
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2106.html
Notice “software” isn’t listed as a category!
Facts matter...#SMFH
Who cares about the short term. IP stocks typically take longer for a return....unless you timed the market right, which is pretty rare!
Most of the longs here have followed and understand VPLM going back to 2013 or before. Short term thinking in any IP stock will more than likely crush your dreams and leave you upset, especially if you’re an emotional rather than logical investor.
Good luck to all VPLM longs!
Who here is claiming the share price hasn’t dropped? NOBODY!
Also an UNDISPUTED FACT...nobody is willing to sell their VPLM holdings at $ .01 per share otherwise my open order for 400,000 shares would be filled already! DISPUTE THAT...
We keep hearing VPLM is such a turd & toxic death...yeah right! If that were the case someone surely would want out of their 400,000 shares I’m trying to buy at $ 0.01.
The odd thing is NOBODY IS BITING on my bid. Hmmm, wonder why???
OMG! Glad to see some here understand how our court system works. High school civics needs to be brought back to our schools!
Besides VPLM still has the right to appeal any adverse ruling by the corrupt activist Koh. Koh seems to be a big reason why all the defendants wanted to get the cases moved to the Northern District of CA.
Agreed DB. It is amazing to see how many times Koh has ruled in favor of Apple over the years. Kind of reminds me of some judges at the PTAB who lost their jobs.
Again, time will tell who’s opinions here are correct. In the mean time, we wait patiently for each step of the legal processes to play out.
GLTA!
Here’s another. Hmm...Seems like Koh has been down this road with Apple before.
https://betanews.com/2012/10/11/appeals-court-ruling-is-big-trouble-for-apple-and-judge-lucy-koh/
And we’re still waiting for the part in the court order showing that Kipping obtained the shares legally...I’m shocked! Utterly shocked I say!
Na, just another temporary setback for VPLM. It will be appealed like the others. Just need to wait a little longer for the real victory. In the mean time, the treble clock keeps ticking!
Apparently it’s in invisible ink because I don’t see anything the judge ruled about the shares being legally issued to Kipping. Maybe my eyesight is going. Na, that’s not it...I lost my Ovaltine decoder ring!
Show us in the court ruling EXACTLY WHERE the judge ORDERED that the shares were issued legally and Kipping gets to keep them.
I’ve read that order 3 times and still can’t find anything even remotely close to what you say about the shares. I’ll wait...
Exactly... A corporate BOD control the shares of a corporation not courts. The court didn’t have to decide on “the shares” because they were already FROZEN! Kipping was suing to get the shares unfrozen and he just got the cash value back of the alleged loan plus a bit!
It’s really not hard to understand.
To prove what? That the shares were frozen. Sure there was.
We provide documents written in the blood of the board members and all those biased against VPLM wouldn’t believe them.
Time will tell...let’s see which side is correct!
You’re wrong keepem. As soon as the board pays Kipping the money ordered by the court, the shares that were locked up will be returned. And that’s the fact! Not sure why this keeps getting disputed here.
True dat V!
First it’s “ADR” and second, judges are there to try cases. Yes, they may encourage parties to try to negotiate an amicable settlement out of court BUT not usually in a case of this magnitude. Seems like the defendants might be running out of stall tactics and getting a bit worried about what little ole VPLM has on them.
Also, why the sudden change in tone & demeanor from Judge Koh? After all, she dismissed the first 2 cases very quickly because any human switchboard operator can route calls, no?
Something stinks here and it’s about to be revealed soon. Stay tuned!
Agreed! I’ve been trying to pick up cheap shares for a few weeks and can’t seem to get my order filled. Wonder why?
Right. That 2,000 share whopper of a trade at the wire for a whole $ 30.20 really gives the illusion that VPLM is tanking! I lose more than that in the wash!
All excellent points bird...and now we’ll wait for the response?
I disagree and that has not been my experience with other companies. Provide some examples of companies that update their share structure on a consistent monthly basis.
Well, since a financial “quarter” is typically 90 days long, we still have 16 more to go! Math isn’t that hard.
Just pointing out the quote used in the post I responded to was from 2013. You might want to go read that post.
Um, this quote was from a 2013 PR!
Excellent post bird. The problem is it’s just “sense” because it’s not “common” to everyone!
It’s still amazing to see all the attempts by Apple to bring down the little mosquito called VPLM. For a company worth a trillion dollars and almost limitless resources at their disposal, Apple sure seems to be worried about $0 Rev, 0 employee, $ 12K asset company. Seems rather odd that they’d need to file the 4 new IPRs if the patents are nullified or worthless, no?
Only time & the courts will reveal the FACTS for sure. In the mean time, everything here is nothing more than opinions!
Yep Rapz. You’re 100% correct. What still doesn’t make sense is if AAPL KNOWS the 2 “parent” patents are DOA as some say, then why bother with the waste of time, expense, & resources filing 4 more IPRs.
I mean we keep hearing about how AAPL has bigger fish to fry than VPLM but yet the keep trying cook the little guy. Why? Hmmm...
Yes it’s true the stock price went up. It’s also true the stock price went down. BFD! It has done that for the last 10 years. Name one stock in any market that only moves in one direction...just 1!
I’ll wait...
So if those 2 are allegedly DOA then why waste the courts time & resources scheduling claim construction hearings for the other Apple & Amazon cases?
BTW - Koh isn’t as smart as some think...corrupt maybe, but not smart as she clearly doesn’t understand the technology that is in the VPLM patents. Her obviousness claim was based on the assumption that a human at a switchboard could route the calls, which on it’s face, is outrageous and comical at best given what VoIP technology does.
2019 that is. Fat fingered the years. I’m sure someone here will blast me for my mistake!
Old news! This was the original Koh dismissal from March 24, 2019. That decision is on appeal.
Newsflash...it’s October 15, 2018 and the other cases are moving forward to claim construction hearing on October 24th.
Completely agree. Exactly my point in a previous post that any VPLM shareholder would be ecstatic to have our share price hit $ 6.03 without ever collecting a dime! When dealing with IP, the value of the company doesn’t always correlate directly to revenues, sales, or profit! There’s a reason it’s called INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!
And despite not actually collecting a dime in court ordered damages from Apple, VHC shares closed at $ 6.03 today. I’m sure many VPLM shareholders would be doing backflips to replicate the VHC success in not collecting a dime!
GLTA! Go VPLM!
Proof...ha that’s funny. We don’t need no stinking proof here when the stock is supposed to tank. Only need proof when the price goes up for real!
All we’ve ever heard is that VPLM is a one way street in both directions!
Odd. Apple has been trying to squash this fruit fly for over 3 years and can’t seem to find the fly swatter! If VPLM is such a itty bitty flea to Apple, why did APPLE feel it was necessary to file 3 new Hail Mary IPRs against the VPLM continuation patents? After all, the appeal & court cases are a slam dunk to go in Apple’s favor...or maybe Apple doesn’t think so! Hmmm ??......
From my recollection, VPLM used 2 different law firms. One to fight the original IPRs at the PTAB and one to sue the potential infringers. I thought one law firm was on contingency and one was not however I don’t recall which was the contingent firm.
DB - Do you recall?
Not to mention, why would one of the nations top IP law firms hitch their horse to a known losing wagon?
I can see their new ads now,
“Let us take your IP lawsuits because we know you’re a scam company & we don’t care about our reputation! We just want your money!”
That’s some great advertising in the works right there folks!
Something is up. Why the sudden change in tone and approach from Judge Koh these cases vs. the first case she dismissed for Apple?
Also, it will very interesting to see the court minutes for each case milestone.
Yes, we’re 8-0 at the PTAB but are you aware Apple filed 3 new IPR petitions in May? If not, might want to read up in them.