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For anyone interested, here’s the actual En Banc Hearing Request.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AIWA8hsVaSnuoEfa5yhvWvl4juw35Mer/view?usp=drivesdk
So are you saying that the patents granted in other countries, who aren’t controlled by the USPTO nor US courts, are not enforceable in those countries? Please cite your sources.
It still blows my mind that after years of patent scrutiny by the USPTO & 12 IPR victories upholding the patent claims, that a court can take away a property right in the blink of an eye. Some justice system we’ve got in this country. Damn near a banana republic these days.
Case 19-1808 affirmed with a Rule 36 judgement by COA. WTF...do your job judges.
Hopefully we’ll be off to the Supreme Court for further appeal.
Interesting article from IPWatchdog, from a patent prosecution/granting standpoint, on testing a patent claim against an abstract idea. Clearly, the USPTO has already done the required testing on all of VPLM patents otherwise they would not have granted the initial nor continuation patents.
Testing a Patent Claim against an Abstract Idea, in Response to 35 USC §101 Rejection
Is there anyone on this board who will be at the hearing today? GBC?
Just read this “cliff notes” version of the VPLM-Twitter appeal argument.
It’s a quick read and explains the arguments from both sides very clearly. Enjoy!
https://fedcircuitblog.com/2020/02/24/argument-preview-voip-pal-com-inc-v-twitter-inc/
IKR - unconscionable...that is if one has a conscience. This whole Patent/Appeal Court process seems flawed. Hopefully USPTO Director Iancu and Congress can get the ship righted before all innovation and new product development is wiped out in the USA.
Miller Lite man myself DB but your example does illustrate the gullibility or ignorance in humans. Same is true when it comes to investing or even with the VPLM case...people can be conned into believing the ridiculous even when all the info, aka facts, are easily researched and discoverable.
GLTA - In Hudnell we trust!
Thank GBC - I was looking at the wrong case. I was looking under the appeal for the Apple cases (20-1241 & 20-1244). I appreciate the info.
Which Appeals court is hearing this...San Francisco or Pasadena?
DB - Is Tuesday the start of oral arguments for the Appeals? Do you know where the court schedule was published? I couldn’t locate the schedule when I was looking for the VPLM filing. Maybe I just didn’t open the right court document???
HD - succinct and on point. Agree 100%.
Agreed. I found the filing to be fact based and written very well.
For anyone interested, here’s a link to a download copy of the VPLM Appeal opening brief that was filed on 2-24-2020 by Lewis Hudnell. Be ready for some heavy reading as it’s 231 pages long! Enjoy.
GLTA
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xjk118VChR2aXrGlFc9VJIwcFxFs9spU/view?usp=sharing
Ding...ding...ding. This is a great question and has never been answered with any merit regarding the VPLM v Apple situation. It’s illogical to believe that Apple would fight multiple companies so hard and spend millions, or possibly billions, of dollars over the years to rid the world of “frivolous” lawsuits. Their defenses wreak of guilt! Besides, I don’t ever recall reading that Apple is the altruistic, do-gooder of the corporation titans!
There you go spouting facts again DB. Lol. VPLM moved in 2017 because of the POSITIVE PTAB outcome and will move big again this time if the Fed Appeals court news is POSITIVE for VPLM. It’s as simple as that. Over time, the real winners and/or losers will be revealed.
Really? There were plenty of lower bids but nobody was selling. Again, Stovk Market 101!
If people aren’t willing to sell their shares at the current prices, the volume will be low. A stock can’t be bought if nobody is willing to sell. It’s been said many times...for every buyer, there must be someone willing to sell. Stock Market 101. SMDH!
GLTA
Thanks for sharing.
Key quote as it pertains to VPLM cases...
“With all due respect to the judges who handle patent cases, many lack the necessary technical training and/or experience to judge complex patents. The problem is magnified by the fact that judges often attempt to evaluate a patent at a preliminary stage of litigation—before scientific, technical or expert evidence has been presented to the court.”
Exactly! The recap was real. Fiction is fake. Go VPLM.
Proven scam? Care to elaborate on what the scam is and how you have “proven” it? Just because you say it is, doesn’t make it fact!
Agreed DB. I’ve been watching, waiting, & hoping for sub-penny to come. I’m looking to add another 200,000 shares but that elusive .009 PPS just never seems to hit. Hmmm, wonder why?
Big Raj - don’t let facts get in the way of the delusions about VPLM. No matter what is in the press or in the PTAB rulings or will be in the Appeal rulings...there will always be something negative perceived. The investors who understand the patents are hoping for lower PPS to average cost their holdings down further.
Interesting read. There are some similarities to the VPLM cases...let’s hope we get the same result at the Appeals Court.
https://www.patentdocs.org/patentable-subject-matter/
Thanks. Enjoy your Thanksgiving as well Leroy. Good luck to all followers of VPLM...longs or otherwise.
Agreed S.
Same old tired, worn out negative sentiments about VPLM. Even when the price is moving up with no PR release, the positive things the company does are discounted as meaningless. Defies logic!
Odd. Whenever something about Apple sponsoring all the anti-VPLM claims is posted, they are removed. Not sure why or how that is a violation of the TOS. That’s cold. This winter sure has a lot of snowflakes!
Who is he appearing for...VPLM or Amazon?
Good luck with that dream Raj. My attempts to buy a large block have been getting slapped at .001 less than the bid. It’s tough to accumulate the amount I want in 5,000 share lots.
Yep. That’s what the Bigs do. Anything to try to crush the little guys.
Incredible. So the all powerful and wealthy Apple can’t even come up with an expert witness to PROVE they how any of the VPLM PATENTED CLAIMS should be disallowed????
The most telling line in the PTAB denial is...
“In view of the foregoing, we give little, if any, weight to Dr. Lavian’s testimony (Ex. 1005 ¶¶ 71, 73, 76) relied upon by Petitioner to support its argument that the combination of Chu and Scott teaches or suggests using a user identifier to access a user-specific dialing plan.”
Wwwhhhaaaaatttttt?
Nice...hopefully 2 more denials will be following real soon. Then we wait for the Appeals to be heard!
I hope so...I’m looking for bit to hit .0008 so my bid for .01 looks good. Nobody is willing to part with their shares at less than .015 right now. Hmmm...
Gotcha now. I believe you’re correct in the belief the case continues. I also belief they would be beyond the 101 issues once the dismissal was overturned ant remanded back to the District court.
Not sure I get where you’re going with this case. What were you trying to point out in the post?
Correction...that’s Athena not Aetna as is shown!
Wrong once again...there is no such thing as a “software” patent and the article is absolutely relevant to VPLM. Both Aetna & VPLM are arguing that their works qualify and are patentable under Section 101 as processes! They are both fighting against rogue judicial exceptions.
Quoted right from the USPTO website:
“First, the claimed invention must be to one of the four statutory categories. 35 U.S.C. 101 defines the four categories of invention that Congress deemed to be the appropriate subject matter of a patent: processes, machines, manufactures and compositions of matter.”
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s2106.html
Notice “software” isn’t listed as a category!
Facts matter...#SMFH
Who cares about the short term. IP stocks typically take longer for a return....unless you timed the market right, which is pretty rare!
Most of the longs here have followed and understand VPLM going back to 2013 or before. Short term thinking in any IP stock will more than likely crush your dreams and leave you upset, especially if you’re an emotional rather than logical investor.
Good luck to all VPLM longs!