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Just hilarious.. The same two guys messed me up also
Exactly
Very messed up dude.. sorry you are like this
It is exactly as I was given it by a long who doesnt like ihub but aasked me to post it here. The only thing changed was references to this person that I removed necause Inwas unsure if he wanted anyone on ihub to know where it came from. I believe it to be true
Thank you for not putting the toilet bowl picture on your post
This is some answers from Dror to a fellow VPOR long holder:
We stopped allowing the transfer agent to freely release information when it became apparent that, between our filings, third parties were getting and using the information to create negative rumors while shorting our stock simultaneously. For now, we will continue to control the dissemination of information such that what is released goes to the general public (as it should) and is not privy to a select few.
Thanks.
Dror Svorai,
President/CEO
Vapor Group, Inc.
3901 S.W. 47th Avenue, Suite 415
Davie, Florida 33314
Office: 954-792-8450
Fax: 954-916-7548
dror@vaporgroup.com
www.totalvapor.com
www.vapor123.com
www.thevapor.com
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: VPOR questions
Thank you for your expedited response! Any thoughts of ungagging the transfer agent? Just my opinion, but I believe would ease the minds of many and show the full transparency of the company.
Thanks again and lets pray for huge contracts!
From: dror@vaporgroup.com [mailto:dror@vaporgroup.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:19 PM
To: IHUB Hater; yaniv@vaporgroup.com
Subject: RE: VPOR questions
xxxxxxxx,
I will try to answer your questions as best possible in the order that you posed them:
1. Our securities attorney decides what goes into an 8-K vs. press release and what goes in both at the same time. He is very conservative and wants the 8-Ks to be used for material events essentially, with some exceptions. We believe that we are providing the legally required transparency for a fully reporting public company.
2. “Dror” “gifted” some of his shares, which is his right. I did not sell them.
3. It is the lenders who don’t want their names used. They have their own reasons.
4. See our 8-K of December 4th. The lenders convert “at will” and are taking profit in addition to comparable “interest”.
5. I have taken the question up with our CFO and, if in error, we will correct in the year-end financials.
6. Again, see the answer to #4, and be assured that the debt will come down substantially by mid-next year, and not primarily as a result of lender conversions.
7. We are getting the best financing terms available to us currently. As the business matures and grows, the terms will get better and the sources will improve as well.
8. The dispensary announcement will be made soon.
9. At this time we have no plans for a reverse split. A buyback program is being considered when economically feasible.
All that said, we believe that 2015 will see a huge reduction in debt and accelerated, improved metrics for the company. We expect the current volatility to settle down.
Dror Svorai,
President/CEO
Vapor Group, Inc.
3901 S.W. 47th Avenue, Suite 415
Davie, Florida 33314
Office: 954-792-8450
Fax: 954-916-7548
dror@vaporgroup.com
www.totalvapor.com
www.vapor123.com
www.thevapor.com
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: VPOR questions
I have a few questions about the future of the company and its current state. I understand if you cannot answer some of these questions, but I hope that you can do your best. As an investor of 15 million shares, I would like to applaud you and Dror for getting revenues where they are today. With that said, here are my questions:
1. Why isn’t any news that comes out of the news wire followed up with an 8k? Your investors would feel as though the company was being transparent and following all guidelines to being a fully reporting company.
2. Why did Dror’s ownership go down 1.5% per the last 10Q?
3. Why is the company not being transparent as too whom holds the convertible notes? The current explanations are ( private investor, individual, etc..) this is not showing transparency.
4. The dilution is not shareholder friendly, why are we converting so many shares in order to simply pay what looks like to me, just interest on the notes that are owed?
5. On August 15, 2011, an individual loaned the Company $20,000 in exchange for a Promissory Note bearing interest at 5% for a term of six months. In lieu of paying interest on the note, restricted shares of the Company's common stock was issued to the note-holder. The Note was paid in full in April 2012. 10Q 3/31/13. if that was paid in full why is it on the books?
6. Many of your shareholders are concerned with the way company shares are being handled. The thought is that VPOR has turned into a dilutive machine in order to pay its debt. Why isn’t the company getting rid of these low monetary notes with high interest rates?
7. Why are we not getting better financing terms? The Hanover Loan is a start, but it’s an added debt, not helping out the previous debt on the books.
8. Where is the 8k mentioning the dispensaries that were mentioned on the call a few weeks back?
9. In your opinion what will come first, Reverse Split or a Share buyback program?
I am a concerned shareholder and like many, we are giving the company until the 4th Qtr. 10K in order to decide what to do with our holdings of the company. The ongoing dilution is killing shareholder confidence. Increasing the huge amount of O/S for a minimal payment of $300k is not shareholder friendly.
From: Scott Merriam [mailto:scottmerr@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:23 AM
To: JACKERSON, WILMER E
Subject: Re: VPOR questions
TY sir
Thank you,
Scott Merriam
From: dror@vaporgroup.com [mailto:dror@vaporgroup.com]
xxxxxxxxxx,
We stopped allowing the transfer agent to freely release information when it became apparent that, between our filings, third parties were getting and using the information to create negative rumors while shorting our stock simultaneously. For now, we will continue to control the dissemination of information such that what is released goes to the general public (as it should) and is not privy to a select few.
Thanks.
Dror Svorai,
President/CEO
Vapor Group, Inc.
3901 S.W. 47th Avenue, Suite 415
Davie, Florida 33314
Office: 954-792-8450
Fax: 954-916-7548
dror@vaporgroup.com
www.totalvapor.com
www.vapor123.com
www.thevapor.com
Thank you for your expedited response! Any thoughts of ungagging the transfer agent? Just my opinion, but I believe would ease the minds of many and show the full transparency of the company.
Thanks again and lets pray for huge contracts!
From: dror@vaporgroup.com [mailto:dror@vaporgroup.com]
xxxxxxxx,
I will try to answer your questions as best possible in the order that you posed them:
1. Our securities attorney decides what goes into an 8-K vs. press release and what goes in both at the same time. He is very conservative and wants the 8-Ks to be used for material events essentially, with some exceptions. We believe that we are providing the legally required transparency for a fully reporting public company.
2. “Dror” “gifted” some of his shares, which is his right. I did not sell them.
3. It is the lenders who don’t want their names used. They have their own reasons.
4. See our 8-K of December 4th. The lenders convert “at will” and are taking profit in addition to comparable “interest”.
5. I have taken the question up with our CFO and, if in error, we will correct in the year-end financials.
6. Again, see the answer to #4, and be assured that the debt will come down substantially by mid-next year, and not primarily as a result of lender conversions.
7. We are getting the best financing terms available to us currently. As the business matures and grows, the terms will get better and the sources will improve as well.
8. The dispensary announcement will be made soon.
9. At this time we have no plans for a reverse split. A buyback program is being considered when economically feasible.
All that said, we believe that 2015 will see a huge reduction in debt and accelerated, improved metrics for the company. We expect the current volatility to settle down.
Dror Svorai,
President/CEO
Vapor Group, Inc.
3901 S.W. 47th Avenue, Suite 415
Davie, Florida 33314
Office: 954-792-8450
Fax: 954-916-7548
dror@vaporgroup.com
www.totalvapor.com
www.vapor123.com
www.thevapor.com
Whats your take on the situation.. Why do you think they took as such damaging debt ?
That would be “vey iz mir,” which means woe to me.. Appropriate to the situation I believe.... oy vey is also woe,woe
Good luck ... This baby is headed nowhere until April/ May
Looking like more downside now... Ridiculous but we may need to wait to April/ May for some resurgence in price. Cant keep getting hammered every single day with no let up.
Dropping like a rock.. Not even a dead cat bounce--sad
too much of the same stuff... Making me nuts. Either it is the early stages of a company that will become very successful or it is printing shares by dilution and eventually will be worthless. Those are the only two scenarios. The exact bottom, entry point, loading zone are all figments of our collective imagination and tolerance for BS.
For myself I am taking the chance and hoping it is real and a great investment. I could be totally wrong and it was a stupid move.
Either way you pay your money and buy your ticket ( or not)
all the rest of this is worthless guessing... If it is going to repeat another huge run does it matter if we got it at .03 or .01. Not with anything like the move it made before.
The CEO's past history is so similar to what appears to be happening now it is worrisome. But this company appears to be so promising he would be crazy not to make his fortune that way. This is not a shell and appears to have everything going for it. Not perfect execution, not total realization of expections.. Who knows .. good luck to all of us
This damn thing is trying to run before I can get some more powder to load up.. Once she starts she wont stop... Or have you all forgotten who she is
Its time to party down I think Go VPOR
Thanks Cheds. Good luck my friend
Cheds what happens if it doesn't close above .01.. Is it delisted. Does it still trade ?
This is getting really ridiculous. I am not adding until I see a definite turn around and uptrend.
Remember we thought that they were doing well and were in a position to start buying back debt with an eye to Hanover. Then we found out that they only bought back a small amt from Hanover but pushed back the time they could start converting until 2015
But despite the fact that the letter to shareholders and everything we were reasonably expecting i.e. the buyback of Hanover notes exactly the opposite happened. There were a great many more convertible notes and that is what is killing us now. It is good that they pushed Hanover back ostensibly to a time when increasing revenues could take care of that..
But this new and unexpected debt precisely at a time we were being told they were doing well and would buy back debt is rough to take especially with the pain it is causing us now
We all believe in this company but I sure wish instead of an acquisition they would start buying back debt right now
I have a very hard time believing that anyone would ignore a great company like this in order to just use it as a printing press for friends, relatives and themselves. This is what many have said and I still don't believe that
But they need to immediately start being responsible about debt. And realize they are both endangering the company and seriously hurting their supporters.
I would urge everyone to not add to your positions to average down. We do not know where the floor is and we have all lost enough. If and when there is a clear and unmistakable turn around that is the time to buy.
I hope they are not playing with this and it will become a great investment.. But I do not like what is happening at all
Acually your pps buy in is way lower than most of us here. Give it enough time and we will all be ok.. I think not buying while it is still falling is a good idea. It takes will power to hold back though... I myself just buy when the money is available because it seems so cheap.. just want to get more...
Very kind things to say. Yes we are together. I feel a strong kinships with many of the VPOR longs..
Remember the old axiom: Jesus saves but Moses invest's
No disrespect intended I love the Lord myself
Is our reward behind the green drors or the red drors
Having some paper loses on VPOR is not even close to what poor Job went through...It will be ok and it wont take 40 years either.. Just May 2015
I like that ran for the droors... good one
I think you are right about them and the company.. The problem is that in companies that are scams this is exactly what happens. The shares get diluted to nothing while the principal make money out of converting shares through third parties. Then when it is .001 or so they R/S and dilute it all again. Making their money by selling paper.. Usually there is no company and it is all bullshit. That is what all these people are screaming about. That is what they believe is happening/.
The longs here have ordered their products, see the quality, see how they service their orders, see the website ( which in my view) is way better than their competitors
Our peeps have been there and physically checked it out and looked Dror and Yaniv in the eyes
If this were like the above scam the company and its success would mean absolutely nothing to them. Their money comes from selling paper that the shareholder supply..
But this is such a strong company, in such a great sector, it makes no sense to me to do anything but grow the company
It is true that not everything they have said has come to pass but that is normal. 10,000 stores at the eoy.. that to me is highly unlikely, franchise business who knows, and the 10 company owned stores in Fla is no longer even a goal.. That is ok, it is ok that he is flexible in these decisions..
I will stay and add. But to others they just don't believe this is anything but selling worthless paper... The committed longs are either fools or brilliant.. I think the latter.
Do not believe a word this guy says. Vicious basher with only malice in his heart
Don't forget after debt paid they can buy back shares for cheap... It all is exactly as he laid out... I see nothing different than what he said.. Use the dilution to get cheap shares and in 6 months you are debt free and buying back shares and profitable with increasing revenues... Why would you not like that scenario... The folks with no faith and trust will lose out big time..The money laundering, scam , slander guys are just intentionally trying to get everyone to lose.
Me to... lets do this... love you buddy
Wont be really done until April- May But it will be fine.. I know you know that
let me know.. pix looked great
More to come my friend... patience
PP you pay the interest you need to pay to get the money. These guys came off tax liens and had to pay that. They are making it work.. have some faith..
He does scare pretty easily... Hope he stays in so he doesn't lose here. Really sucker play to sell here
Nice post; totally agree
Well said Chum... I am right there with you
I am like the water.... I would only expect downward pps until it is obvious how successful we actually are. When debt is gone this is going to the moon. Talk of money laundering , scam, and all the rest is going to scare many out of , not only losing an opportunity, but making them sell at ridiculous loses. You all know this dilution wont stop until debt paid off.. Lets see where we are in April-May.. Many of you, deep inside, know that Total Vapor is for real and is poised for a giant move.. Old Vegas saying "scared money never wins". I urge my fellow longs and friends to continue to believe what you know is the truth.
Good luck whatever you choose... I am holding and adding every chance I get. This kind of opportunity is really uncommon and I plan on taking it.
You are right...Very good advice... I had the pleasure of talking to Yaniv today by phone. I was asking about the quad and mod. He is very sincere, they are working hard and I am completely sure about their honesty
I didn't really push or ask questions that would violate my right to know versus when things will be made public. But I definitely got the sense they are working hard for us and it will be ok
I liked him and his attitude. It is a very competitive business but they are working hard to make it happen for all of us.
Thanks for your kind words... I have seen this guy in action before and he is really, really bad. Malicious in fact
I will not engage in this with him. I just don't want anybody to lose money because he scares them..
Go VPOR... This will be great fun when the reversal happens but I think it will be obvious in late April or May
Can you at least get rid of your sitting on a toilet logo... You pos... Oh I see that's why you use it
Thanks.. Hope its not a real problem with them
Anybody use the quad coil. I cant get it to work and it seems like the problem is the mods total vapor sells don't have enough wattage for it... Have to buy a mod from somewhere else if I want to use it... Isnt that strange ?
I grew up in The Bronx, went to Taft... There is nothing changed about company success and business plan..As long as they do nothing to upset SEC they are golden.. They cannot do CBD oils and they cannot issue fluf PR . If they avoid those two traps there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT CAN STOP THE RUN UP
This is a wildly great opportunity to buy.. Please do not sell with the heard. Think it through
Don't panic sell.. Worse thing you can do...