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haha i knew it. is that you on the bid? transparent agenda
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Hi Tog...always great to see you
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i just added at .0013=)
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Don't ignore the girls...we play harder
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look at it this way - we are one day closer in getting the financials. Stock is strong...people are holding. Its coming that's for sure
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they sold today and now very nervous as they thought it would sell off today.
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i wouldn't pay much attention to the Otcmarkets.com Look what they have for Apple Inc as profile
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/AAPL/profile
Cheers Mate
Moo
i dont think so...but if it does get there for a second i will have my buy in
ooohhhhh look at all those big bids=)
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Well Played General
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but have you traded with Asia Countries like Japan and China? Been trading for years also, in fact check out my beard on my profile.
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which is why they sent a pr with a timeline. They got this
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Importance of credibility and Punctuality in Business in China is imperative. If they said 2 weeks from 04/06 then expect 2 weeks
Business runs on a very strict schedule in Japan and China.
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Does this have a connection with us??
http://www.businessinsider.com/nio-electric-car-startup-suv-china-tesla-challenge-2017-4/#the-electric-suv-seats-seven-and-comes-with-all-wheel-drive-but-nio-didnt-disclose-any-specs-like-horsepower-acceleration-or-range-so-its-difficult-to-tell-just-how-well-it-will-compete-with-the-likes-of-teslas-model-x-suv-1
agree - this is a unique one of a kind opportunity for us in the OTC. Right place at the right time....
Bang Bang Bang on the ASK baby!
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on like donkey Kong!
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can we get that in an email form?
nevertheless - thank you for all your effort. Looking forward to the post
Moo
me??? or the person i was responding to? lol
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Risky
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you sold before anticipated news? ok?
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Zhong Ji Ming Yang Han Jianfang: talk about the third generation of electric car cold machine technology to change the mileage
On the Change of the Decommissioning of the Third Generation Electric Vehicle Cooling Machine
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Time: 2017-02-08 11:07
Author: Han Jian Fang
Source: Han Jianfang
Since the beginning of this century, electric vehicles show explosive development trend. Europe, Japan, the United States and China, the four major groups in a short period of time together to force the electric car to replace the traditional fuel vehicle launched the final charge.
At present, the global auto giants are racking their brains to compete for electric car battlefield, all resorted to all efforts to gain access to the future of electric vehicle technology leadership, in this race, although China in 2015 to replace the United States to become the world's new energy car sales rankings in the world In 2016 this advantage is further expanded, but this is only because the government's subsidy policy to stimulate the results, the number of advantages does not mean that the technical leader, the Chinese auto companies in the core technology but not too much Achievements and major breakthroughs, Europe is also the mainstream of the main electric car technology, there are two branches of Japanese and the United States Department.
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Nissan hear the wind electric car
At present, the global electric car market colorful, many brands contests, but all in the sale of pure electric vehicle products to follow nothing more than two very different technical routes, the two routes to build the future of electric vehicles have a completely different ecosystem Different judgments and design strategies, resulting in two distinct technical systems.
1. Japanese technology route represented by Nissan hear the wind, also known as pure electric vehicle version 1.0 or the first generation of electric vehicles. Characterized by:
? it comes from Japan's best at the hybrid car, which has a hybrid car's creative logic and "birthmark."
? Nissan hear the wind technology program that the cost of manufacturing and mileage in the two options, should be more inclined to lower manufacturing costs, and sacrifice a longer life mileage, which is the same with the idea of hybrid cars. Therefore, pure electric passenger cars should not be loaded with too much capacity of the battery, 20 ~ 25kwh enough, although the mileage is not more than 200 km, but the vehicle price is expected to be compressed in the same specifications of the fuel tank 2 times, so that Accepted by the tolerant market.
? The electric car's power output should be the same as the same type of fuel vehicles, install 1.6L engine A-class car to switch to electricity as a driving force, conversion of the single-speed motor than the maximum output power should reach 80KW or so. In this context, with about 20kwh battery to drive the maximum power of 80kw or so of the motor, it must continue the hybrid car program using a magnification type battery, the battery discharge rate characteristics should reach 10C.
? energy supply mode should choose fast charge mode, and the smaller reserves of the battery technology is more likely to achieve fast charge, the target is 10 minutes can be filled with 80%, so you can make up for the shortcomings of the mileage.
This is the Nissan hear the wind (electric vehicle version 1.0) complete technical system. China in addition to BYD outside the vast majority of car prices in the Nissan after the advent of the wind are invariably used with the fuel vehicle to follow the same strategy, have accepted the Nissan hear the wind of the technical program, and the products are also Nissan Feng Feng imitation version The
This technology system is feasible, depending on the two conditions: First, 10 minutes fast charge technology to achieve a breakthrough. If so, this technical system is perfect. Second, the battery life is enough to make vehicles traveling 300,000 km, to achieve the battery and vehicle life.
Therefore, the four major car prices in Japan and more than a dozen professional companies since 2008 to set up fast charge association, and set up more than one billion US dollars of fast charge technology development fund, unfortunately, after six years of research and development, burning ten After hundreds of millions of dollars, it has been proved that the high current charge can not match the current through the battery conductor, the electrolyte, the diaphragm and the pole, and can not prevent the damage caused by the battery. The fast charge is not technically feasible ( At present, China's car prices and Tesla provided by the fast charge mode, is not really meaningful fast charge, but the speed of charging). Therefore, Japan's fast charge association disintegrated in 2014, and led to the Japanese car prices once abandoned the development of lithium car and turned to the main fuel cell vehicles.
And the battery mileage is a charge mileage and battery cycle cycle of the product, in the mileage of less than 200 km under the premise of the same cycle times can achieve the battery mileage is very low. Nissan in the wind in Tokyo, 150 taxi less than 3 years, life mileage on the decay to dozens of kilometers. Facts show that this technology line in two key links have suffered a great setback.
2. Tesla model as the representative of the technical route, also known as the electric vehicle version 2.0 or second generation electric vehicles. The technical route is characterized by:
? in the mileage and vehicle cost options, more inclined to choose a higher mileage, and sacrifice the lower vehicle costs. 400km above the mileage is basically lifted the user's mileage anxiety, but the price of the vehicle has doubled, so that the product has become a "rich toys." Even so, can also cultivate a certain size of the "niche market."
? to make the vehicle has enough mileage, you must load more capacity of the battery, the battery capacity and even up to 4 times the wind, you can dilute the discharge current of the single cell, 3C discharge is enough, so there is no It is necessary to use high-rate battery, but to match the high-energy battery - this is an important feature of the electric vehicle version 2.0.
? Because the battery load is large (90Kwh), 10 minutes fast charge (6C) is technically more difficult. To charge 90kwh battery vehicles for 10 minutes fast charge, not only the battery will suffer irreversible damage, and the charger power must reach 500kw or more, a charger need to match a 630kva independent transformer, if installed in a parking lot 10 A fast charging device, even the power grid can not afford. Therefore, 10 minutes fast charge is not suitable for 2.0 electric vehicles, Tesla and the vehicle to match the power supply is slow to charge the main way to fill the name of the fast charge as the secondary charging method.
? Tesla model due to life mileage increased to 400km or more, even if the summer air conditioning, winter heating wind can still be about 300km, basically to meet the psychological needs of owners. Longer life can also produce more important results: Suppose Tesla model and Nissan hear the wind used by the same cycle of the battery cycle, are 1000 cycles, and the battery mileage is the cycle of life and mileage of the product, the former The battery mileage is 400,000 km, 16,000 km higher than the latter greatly improved.
And in fact because the Nissan hear the wind battery load equivalent to Tesla model of 3 times, resulting in its battery life cycle than the model 25% lower, the mileage life can only reach 120,000 km, the result is Tesla technology system The battery mileage is more than three times the Nissan hear the wind - although the owners in the early to pay a higher price to buy the vehicle, to the latter to remove the cost of replacing the battery, from this point, the second generation of electric vehicles than the first On behalf of the electric car has a long-term vision.
The above is the complete technical system of the Tesla model (version 2.0 of the electric car). China's BYD is in the Nissan hear the wind, Tesla model has not yet come out, it is different from the Nissan hear the wind, and Tesla similar to the technology, the difference is the use of magnification-type lithium iron battery, Updated for the energy-type ternary battery, and Tesla technology is basically the same. While China's other car prices, imitation Nissan hear the N years later, until nearly 2 years, only to abandon the wind technology and Tesla technology system closer.
However, the Tesla model (electric car 2.0) still has many fatal flaws:
(1) the long life of the vehicle and low prices can not have both, expensive price so that it can not enter the civilian car market, although Tesla to develop $ 35,000 price A-class car, but is bound to sacrifice more than 400km The original advantage.
(2) to load 60-100kwh battery to maintain high battery life, you must use high-energy battery, single cell energy density should be greater than 200wh / kg, or even more than 300wh / kg. But with the battery energy density increases, the work of the temperature rise will be more intense, with the deterioration of security. Therefore, the battery must be temperature management, and even cooling method to make it cool. The result but increased the weight of the battery box, an increase of vehicle costs and electricity load, reduce electricity efficiency, security is still a major risk.
(3) by the charging pile to provide power supply, its efficiency is very low. A city with 2 million motor vehicles, the construction of 100,000 charge piles for a small number of vehicles, is to meet the demand. But if the number of electric vehicles rose to 50% of motor vehicle ownership, to 1 million electric vehicles to provide charging piles and charging spaces, there is no possibility. Especially for the operating vehicle, the long charging time will squeeze its attendance time, which is a taxi and network car owners are unacceptable. And the operating intensity of the operating vehicle and exhaust emissions is 5-10 times the private car, if not for the operation of vehicles to provide efficient power supply, it means that such a technical system is not perfect.
(4) for private cars, 300,000 km battery mileage has been basically satisfactory, but for the operation of vehicles, single-class attendance of the taxi driving about 300 km per day, two classes attendance of the taxi every day Driving about 500 km, driving 10-16 million km, according to 2.0 electric vehicle battery mileage calculation, 2-3 years the battery reached 30 million kilometers of life limit, it can not be used normally, in the 8-year vehicle use Period, the need to replace the 2-3 battery pack, which is any one taxi owners are not willing to bear. Therefore, Tesla technology system can not meet the requirements of the taxi industry, and this industry is the test of electric cars "touchstone."
BYD in hesitated years later, finally built a electric taxi in Taiyuan, a comprehensive alternative to fuel taxi model project, but after less than a year of testing, has exposed a lot of problems, the price of expensive vehicles forced the government to higher than the fuel truck Part of the price to pay, and attendance is a big discount can not overcome the major shortcomings, with the continuation of the test, the battery life problems gradually exposed, and ultimately will lead to this model project can not be copied in other cities to promote.
In summary, both the 1.0 version (Nissan hear the wind) or 2.0 version (Tesla) electric vehicles are not the best alternative to fuel vehicles, electric vehicles.
The third generation of electric vehicle technology system
The third generation of electric vehicles is the crystallization of China's original technology, it is by the Tsinghua University Economic Research Center Professor Cai Jiming led by the electric car R & D team, led by Han Jianfang invited senior researcher, after seven years of tackling tough, hard research and development technology Results. The results in two electric car prototype has been fully reflected, these two electric vehicles are based on the Kay wing C3 platform development conditions maintenance 340 (single battery capacity of 2.2ah), 390km (single battery capacity (Single battery capacity of 2.2ah), 508km (single battery capacity of 2.6ah), 625km (single) for the power supply model of the electric three-seater sedan, and based on the Kay wing V3 platform development conditions 4304 Battery capacity of 3.2ah) rechargeable dual-mode electric 7-seat SUV. These two electric vehicles in the key technical indicators have been significantly beyond the Nissan hear the wind and Tesla model.
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2016 Haitian feast show debut Zhongji Ming Yang V3EV pure electric SUV (ie Chery Kay wing C3EV)
Three generations of electric vehicles typical features and technical indicators:
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First generation
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Second generation
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Third Generation
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Third Generation
On behalf of models
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Nissan hear the wind
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Tesla model S
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Torch EV (to be listed)
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Torch V3 (SUV) EV
Long × wide × high
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4970 * 1964 * 1445
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4250 * 1720 * 1510
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4665 * 1790 * 1750
Curb quality
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1260kg
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2200kg
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1360kg
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1780kg
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Low temperature lift (safe)
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Laminated type
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Cylindrical 18650
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Cylindrical 18650
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Cylindrical 18650
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3.4AH
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2.2AH
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2.6AH
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24kwh
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90kwh
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40.5kwh
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77.8kwh
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320kg
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950kg
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285kg
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430kg
Rated motor power
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40kw (middle)
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120kw (high)
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18kw (low)
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20kw
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0-10000 turn below 80% (low)
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0-5000 rpm> 90% (high)
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0-5000 rpm ≥88%
Weighted average efficiency of the motor
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≤ 75%
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≤ 75%
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≥ 92%
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≥ 90%
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Water cooling (power consumption)
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Natural air cooling
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Natural air cooling
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1C discharge (low)
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Charging Pile (Low Efficiency)
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Automatic power exchange (high efficiency)
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Replace double mode
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160km (low)
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420km (high)
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> 340km (high)
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> 518km (high)
Maximum mileage
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200
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557km
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430km
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668km
Urban area 100km power consumption / ton
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10.3kwh / 100 km (high)
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9.2Kwh / 100 km (middle)
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7.9kwh / hv (low)
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7.8kwh / 100 km
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50km
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50.52km
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121.32km
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117.44kg
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$ 240,000 (medium)
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$ 85,000 (high)
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Bare car <10 million
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Bare car: 16 million yuan
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8-12 million km
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20-25 million km
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yup at 13:05.41
looks like its about to move much much higher.
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HUGE!
i work 9 to 5pm like most. It all depends on who wants to trade - and they are up like me at 6am to do so.
Bwahaha we always up early for the opening bell
This is the second 400k bd i've seen today. News must have leaked...hold tight!
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did anyone else see that 400k bid go thru. News leaked??? its going to get fun here
Clearer would be a PR saying Canceled RS. All he said was no desire....desires can change
just pointing the obvious
Says no desire but has it actually been cancelled. At the end of the day its just words but would like a confirmed canceled
Moo
the RS FAKE post was posted at 2:56PM BUT we went down around 2:30pm. Infact we started to go up alittle around the time of that post.
Just pointing out the facts
AGREE - SEE YOU OVER A PENNY PLUS SOON
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Totally Agree with this. Beware of these type of pumpers.
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i believe is was flippers taking there $$$$ to BVT*L for a quick flip only to come back here tomorrow with more dough. I anticipate a green Thursday!
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AWESOME...news tomorrow???
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