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it would have been better if Peters in his abc spot had done some positive spin like in the PR rather than his Eeyore style grumbling about the bad economy. At least they're attempting to make up for that blunder.
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what a pass, what a catch, and what a great run by Harrison. Kudos to Warner for playing a great game as well. If only PBLS could come back like that...
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Go get 'em doc.
and thanks from those of us holding this stock.
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Kremers seems to be keeping his word.
Some top flight associations there - odd that so fat there's little reaction with the share price.
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True, but were assuming what the nature of the agreements are. And if HTRE does not rampup sufficienty and perhaps soon, that media advertising and publicity will cease to mean much. I like what Edelson is doing, I just wonder if the other areas of the business (franchising, etc) will support his efforts to make those partnerships continue as well as HTRE's ability to build upon what Edelson has begun. The potential looming dilution through the expansion of the A/S may be the means HTRE is relying on to pay for that expansion, but at the cost of cutting the value of my investment nearly in half. I think that's one of the reasons why HTRE is in the doldrums.
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With judgement like that, I have a boatload of PBLS shares I can sell you for a nickel a piece...
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I didn't sell largely on the strength of Edelson a while back though I was thoroughly unimpressed with the other two announced management team appointees. Edelson appears to be delivering as expected. One of the problems is, despite what it seems Edelson has achieved, the PRs on partnerships still have much to answer for.
In a partnership, we need to know what HTRE must do to ensure the partnership continues - what's HTRE's piece of the work? Can they continue to deliver to make the partnerships worthwhile for those we've engaged?
The PR's speak in only the most general of terms as to what the partnership is about. As this is pinky land where a partnership can mean almost anything, and they can come and go like the wind, there seems to remain a great deal of scepticism beyong me that these partnerships will create a living, breathing, profitable fanchise.
And where is the other 2/3rds of the management team? And can they ensure that HTRE will remain attractive to our partners? There silence is thoroughly unconvincing thus far. That needs to change.
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They just left out who it was getting better for, at least up to a point. It certainly wasn't the investors. Live and learn.
It's always darkest after a handshake at church, to paraphrase Rally.
Does this mean cradfest is off?
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Sawdin,
yes, I'm taking the same approach. For the chicken feed I'd get by selling, I'd only be making scottrade happy. Besides, having PBLS as a reminder in my account will be a good way to restrain myself from doing something this foolish again. I won't be caught holding long on a pinky again any time "soon."
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If anyone would know another shoe has fallen, it would be a roach.
If PBLS were a real company with anything left worth salvaging and led by people with even a minimal amount of management skill or a sense of moral rectitude, there would be PRs related to these decisions made known to investors. As we all know, there will be silence instead.
It's been fun. I've learned a lot, lost more than I liked but not more than I could, and enjoyed the board. Good luck to all. There's been a lot of classy people posting here over the years that kept it lively. I wish you all the best.
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here's the only good news related to lack of sell off - it's not worth the effort or the minimal cash we get for many of us to sell. See, there's a silver lining behind every cloud!
I learned one thing over the years with this dog - be faster on the trigger with any pink any time you see green in your account.
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So whose account is so badly in tatters that they could only do a $2.07 trade on PBLS today?
Right, silly question, all of us!
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Everyone was holding their breath so long waiting we all passed out.
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Even with an appeal, wouldn't you expect a spike on the news alone (that is, if we aren't saddled with 2.5 billion shares slowing the spike down). If we could get a ride up, even temporary, I'd be ecstatic. Over turning on appeal is always a tougher row to hoe. Let's hope that Paul sold one of his cars to buy back over a billion in shares over the past year, retires them, and then we get good news on the case. Kumbaya. I think I'll go teach the world to sing in perfect harmony...
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Roach,
Thanks as usual for carrying the PBLS cross when it comes to posting these minutes. Maybe we win the super bowl and this case - wouldn't that be a great start to 09?
By the way, someone should change the newspaper on the floor of the Cardinals locker room....
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welcome back - I tried to get you a concrete Komex cake with a file in it to help you escape early, but apparently some friends of a guy named O-Riley or O'Reilly or O'Really had already tried that, so they were on to me.
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he'd have to "red up" Heinz field after the Baltimore Ravens get trampled this weekend, but I'm sure he's up to it.
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I'd buy you some vintage Iron City for the party, maybe a case of 1978 Stoney's beer too... what a year for it...
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I'd buy you some vintage Schlitz for the party, maybe a case of 1978 Stoney's beer too... what a year for it...
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there's a big hole in mine right now, big as a sand and gravel pit, that could use a serious cash infusion...
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With Brigunn's posts lately who the heck can tell what is and what isn't on topic? If they can figure that out, I'm in too!
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I'd be all for that. PBLS just needs cash to buy them back, favorable news, and, is that Halle Berry lying next to me or am I dreaming too?
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the DOE article on the New Orleans home related to the builders challenge bruoght back painful memories of PBLS and affordable housing... if only some of those early PRs were either true or turned into something meaningful. Oh well
on the green side, the big three are acting like electric cars might be profitable, rather than their prior practice of killing the idea. so I suppose miracles can happen...
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if I were Paul and feeling good about the court cases, I'd hold a PBLS tag sale of the office furniture if I had to and buy as much stock back as I could. but yes, your two scenarios seem the only two possible.
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If I held my breath on each idea we've had that would turn this stock northward I would have suffocated long ago...
There's always cradfest for a get together, though I doubt the real thing would never be half as fun as the imagined one!
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yes oldtech, I remember your posts going all the way back to the Allstocks message board. Back then I had hopes of sharing any big win on this stock with folks in New Orleans, toasting our new found wealth in Pat OBrien's over hurricanes. Now I hope to cover my own losses. But what an education in investing it's been, and the fun lasted much longer than blowing similar dollars at the casino. Besides, we still have that bet on the table still riding the pass line.
And where else would we find a Dr. Pepper-swilling, message-boarding, research-oriented roach who is also a Steelers fan? Just the fact of putting those words together in a sentence shows you what a surreal trip it has been.
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That's why I think they should have chipped away at their shares long before this. That whiplash (from a plunge down to a rocket up) would make a lot of people happy (including them) if they get a decent jury award.
Pebblers do it in the jury box!
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There's where they differ from the rest of us on this board...
We all need to get lives!
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here's what I don't understand:
Paul and company hold a ton of shares.
PBLS has been spending lots of money on these court cases, which means they, like us, are hoping for a favorable verdict and jury award.
A decent monetary settlement could send the stock soaring (if even briefly).
The stock would soar higher if there were less shares outstanding. So reducing the outstanding shares is in Paul's favor and ours - it may be the only way to recover significant financial losses by PBLS and us.
Shares can be bought for a song right now.
So why when Rally posts the transfer agent numbers don't we see a decrease in outstanding shares that would further spike any rally on the news (maybe even, send the naked shorts looking for clothes?)
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Thanks for posting the minutes, Roach - nothing gets into a dark corner like a roach.
Steelers over San Diego!
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Correct - since the SEC was completely asleep at the wheel to the tune of 50 billion in the Madoff scandal, even mentioning the SEC in the same sentence with the terms "regulatory" or "oversight" becomes laughable. The pinks are even further off their radar if indeed their radar is even turned on these days.
As for HTRE, and the prior discussions, no news means bad news for this stock, as we've seen. Lack of clarity and transparency and the potential for increased dilution have had their effect on investors. HTRE remains (by their silence thus far) relatively uninterested in clearing this up, improving their stock price, or answering such questions publicly. The responsibility rests with them.
No one on these boards has the power to truly pump up or tank the stock price (unless of course, the o/s is exceedingly small), that's a delusion, and such discussions usually end up being a cover for bad company management, management inaction, or management silence. JMHO of course.
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some thoughts on lthu
the recent financial numbers are encouraging. Unlike most pink sheet stocks we have a filing where the company has now demonstrated a commitment to reducing its debt. If that continued to the same degree in the latter half of 08, LTHU could be in a nice position by mid-year 09. If they can also demonstrate contracts for ongoing revenue (the ones alluded to in Kremers response to the doc), this stock might finally start to do the sort of sustained climb I had hoped for happening a year ago.
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shame we couldn't get in at .002 as a 100% gain in a day would be a great time to sell. I guess I don't mix in the right crowd, that's me at Crabfest, at the table near the outdoor toilet.
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news out on Lith's finances up to mid-year 08
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/081231/lthu.pk10-q.html
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Too late for that I'm afraid. Happy new year everyone! Yes, I have an eye for Irony.
not complicated at all for me. You're the one revelling in 28% gains on a stock that has been decidedly heading into the cellar. I view that as a stock in the tank. you can only be excited about % changes if you're playing those spikes and drops. if you're a long term investor who came in anywhere above a penny, that investor has a different view of things. The lower this goes, the greater % change a move of .001 or .002 would be in relation, and therefore, I assume, you'll be happier if we head lower for that to occur. That's if I follow your complicated logic correctly.
Meanwhile, HTRE does more of its chat on its website forum, which is like a phone call, which is like saying little at all. Again, besides out of the mouth of management (which can say anything at any time and doesn't even have the minor formality of a PR), what's verifiable that things are going well for htre?
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Are you hoping that HTRE hits .001 so that a pop to .004 would be a 400% gain? Based on your reply to SSC, that seems to be your logic right? Be happy with a 28% pop from the cellar? So you're mainly interested in flipping on the % gains? There were some others here more interested in the long term propsects which seem to have faded entirely. So if that's your intent, yes, I agree, this stock may be worth playing a quick pop if they ever post a PR again. Other than that, I'm sceptical.
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This board has turned into a "conversation overheard on the deck of the titanic." Too bad - it was a cool idea. Shame they don't seem able to pull it off after all these years.
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I was trying to find the price but there's only references to leasing it, and even then, no dollar figures. Did you have any luck finding even a price or leasing range for the QUICC? I'd buy something like that if the price were right - 5 mile commute for me each way, tool around town, perfect car for me. I've never been the status guy that would go for a tesla, as sweet as those look.
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Brigunn,
No need to still be bothered and no need for the apology. Email and message boards are a clumsy means of communication - mistakes happen. Enjoy your weekend. Don't give it another thought.
Besides we have dice rolling on upcoming court cases to think about..
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