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Ladies ladies don't fight you're both beautiful.
So when's the class action law suit start?
I agree.
The conclusion is basically you can't expect a stock to go straight from 0006 to several pennies without getting trade around and establishing new higher highs and higher bottoms for support.
Also, for the love of God people notice they said "in the week and months to come."
There's actually alot of wisdom in that statement, that you can't buy at 0014 and KNOW that it won't go to 0012 or 001 for that matter.
Stocks aren't meant to be flipped every 3 hours IMO.
Even some of my friends openly contend this argument with me.
But all it takes is 1 VPLM, and I'd say I'm entitled to that opinion.
Because the people that flip every few hours or couple days can only hope to get a 2-3x bagger at most!
They will never be around long enough to see a stock reach its true potential.
I really do think that is going to come to an end as some of this new revenue gets established and starts growing.
I mean who needs to distribute notes when money made can be reinvested into back in to the company.
Just gotta get that cash flow rolling, which appears to be already happening.
We are at the turning point here IMO.
That's why I'm in now.
Yea sorry for all you super longs. You guys took the big hits.
The company is just starting to turn all that around though.
Dude, I'm afraid we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this for several reasons.
Assuming the company in question is legitimate they nearly always have to dilute through SPOs, or issue convertible stock to raise necessary funds.
So, basically the small companies options are either dilute now (SPO or RS sometimes both) or dilute later (Convertible debt that sees the float at a later time) ha.
As an owner of the stock I prefer the later because it gives the company a year of breathing room for the time being and provides incentives for both parties to see the PPS go up.
Regardless, I am long ELRA.
They are nowhere near out of the woods yet with debt though I will agree with you there.
However, your points about A/S are truly misguided IMO, because many companies never get even close to their A/S. It's just there in case they need it.
Additionally, it's kinda smart to set it higher than you will ever plan on needing it from a companies point of view because the smallest increase in A/S announcement if you get close to the limit causes absolute panic (which I've also seen)
mode from investors fearing dilution.
A/S as a stand alone number is really of little value.
Outstanding and float are much more important IMO.
Excatly!
I can almost write all the posts I know people will post as certain PPSs happen.
At .0008 "Omg what a POS stock dilution city!!!!!"
at .005 "The MMs are really gonna run this to the moon!!!!"
Your common, fairly dense investor is easily manipulated
by these kinds of situations.
I'm fairly sure this will be a good stock - willing to bet money on it. Time will tell the story.
Yea cause all of those Chinese stocks are super legit...
Come on dude.
All the doom and gloom I still think this is a good stock
if one puts blinders on to all the internet noise and only
looks at the facts.
You know I wondered that too.
Could it be convertible debt notes?
I dont really know how the restrictions work.
I know what you mean.
It's almost like they need a PR just so people can start to abandon ship,
and make way for new investors.
Those that have not grown skeptical over the past several months.
There may not be any new investors like this.
It made sense that a deal could happen when we were collecting the patents.
However, that was quite awhile back and from my perspective if the "big boys"
really honestly wanted the "goodies" they would have made a move on it by now.
I'm not trying to bash - been in since 4-6 cent range, but months have gone by
with little to no meaningful news.
Also I think the company has run out of teasers.
I don't think if the next PR alludes to a buyout possibility blah blah blah that really
any new interest will be generated.
Same old song and dance.
I'm gonna give them another month or 2 but going forward into 2015 there's simply too many other
stocks I want to buy.
Yep my lesson cost about as much as yours and I agree.
The company was and is nothing short of criminal and will be delisted at some point.
I'm actually sitting sidelines though with popcorn to see who all gets busted, and what
kind of punishment ensues.
Should be interesting.
As far as any of us seeing any appreciable money invested back, I'm highly highly skeptical
of that.
Welcome to penny land.
Not a bad day at all.
Just playing games.
They want my shares? Well they won't get them at 0012...
I'd consider selling around 005 or so, ONLY because I know
that they could easily push it back down to here again and
I could pull the trigger harder and buy even more.
Next week is gonna be so much fun.
That's actually pretty smart.
I mean what's the worst that can happen? They don't get filled and you miss out if it sees 004+ or whatever next week?
I mean I would never do it because if it didnt get filled and then ran up to 005 or whatever I'd be too pissed to be a functional member of society.
Gotta have something to trade something.
However, from a capital protection and MM anticipation perspective, I can't say I disagree with your approach.
I'm right there with you.
So many people in the 002s and 003s sobbing away giving their asses to the MMs at 0015 and lower just so the MMs can retail those shares at 004 and up in a couple weeks!
I mean come on. The stock has been to 007 within the past few weeks alone.
You really think:
A. it's gonna go to the trips (doubt it but hey who knows)
B. and stay there? (wont happen)
And the MMs and shorters live off the emotions of people that bought at 002 and are terrified to be down 40% already!!!!
OMG!!!! somebody save me and buy those 0013s!!!
Dude I don't give a flying fig newton about all this noise.
Just keep buying and buying and buying.
I can only pray we see trip 000s.
Bingo.
Thats why I am not salty about 002.
I know in the medium turn the tides will turn.
But today however might be sub-optimal.
These investors are so near-sighted it's silly.
"Hope we get news today!"
Oh yea and then we need news tomorrow and twice a day from then on!!!!!!!
Gimme a break.
Real companies are using your money to invest in their company.
Not put out dozens of dumbass pointless news feeds so you can flip and make 40%.
We are down, and possibly being shorted or diluted.
But take a step back and the company as a whole is more healthy now than it was at 007!
Just trying to offer a fresh perspective.
I can only hope.
I'm sitting sidelines ready to make another buy.
0009 0007 0005 I will be there at all those prices too.
Buy all the way down the slide.
Yea that 0012 looks real good to me.
Gonna hold off though.
Im in at 002 and 0018, but there is still time for rock bottom to hit prior to earnings early next week.
I know people say it all the time in pennyland, but I really don't think we are too far away from blastoff on this stock.
Pretty much... Getting these dow here for cheap, then they will all dump next week in the .003s after earnings reports.
Then push back down to here, by it back.
I hope we uplist in a year or 2.
This stock deserves a higher class of criminal.
Also I think we need to realize that people that got in in the trip 000s could flip here.
Consider the following:
5k / .0005 = 6.25mill
and when we se a 6.25mill sell at 0018 everybody is like "whoa!!!!!!!!!! talk about some dumpage..."
But really that was originally a 5k actually $ trade with over 6k of $ profit.
Consider the next following scenario:
Somebody BUYS yesterday 18million at what was it 0017 or 0018?
At 0018 thats over $32k in one trade....
Somebody is willing to throw some serious money at it.
That's wise talk.
I mean nobody knows what is actually gonna happen.
So to me it's not worth it to sell my 002s at 0025 to take peanuts, nor to dump at 0015 with cold feet.
I decided before I made this investment that I'm swinging for the fences, and it may or may not take several months to possibly over a year to see it all the way through.
I agree completely.
It's funny how near-sighted people are with OTC stocks.
Look at how much the tone has changed on this board over the past 2 days...
2 days people....
Here we have a company that is on the verge of making a full recovery and thriving IMO, but because
it is getting traded like all Otc stocks at low prices its freaking everyone out.
They canceled their last RS, so I'm thinking the cash flow is there and the dilution will be ending soon.
Again look at the 1 year chart. The longers have already took the big hits.
Now that things are happening there is plenty of room to run.
Oh and another thing, good lord people these companies can't put out a PR everyday.
In fact, if they did I would be MORE likely to disbelieve, as they are just trying to fluff up the stock price.
So I'm cool sitting here being in at 002 and 0018. Might see if it ticks down a couple more and then snag
one more time at like 0014 or 0015? Well see, but my point is I'm not looking to sell at 003 or whatever these
flippers are trying to do. I want to ride this out to pennies because I think it's possible.
An absolution - No. But possible.
You can say that again. Bottom feeders man, lemme tell ya.
Hi there,
somebody did their homework.
New to this stock wondered if you know how much convertible debt is left off the top of your head.
I suspect between that and shorting is what is pinning it down for the time being.
Haha that's ok you're in a safe place to let it all out.
I'm the only 26yo not too near-sighted to see the storm brewing.
ANV will reward the longs that are in the 1-3 dollar range IMO.
Not today. Not tomorrow. I know it's hard to let something just sit for a couple years, but I think it will pay off.
Better taxes once these turn into gains as well.
So I might throw a few grand at it and just not look at it for a couple years. It messes with my head checking it everyday.
I agree.
You know I'm glad I didn't bet on their last earnings though haha cause this one isn't out of the dog house yet.
But you know I agree those who are long will be rewarded for buying around a dollar, even if it does go to 80 cents or whatever briefly.
I agree.
They might have another bad day but loading the boat at these levels is solid logic.
There will always be people like this.
Trying to talk it down to 0015 so they can jump in and ride it to 003.
Lol yea.
Hell, walk in to an American casino and there are asians everywhere ha!
Yea I agree.
I really don't think it's a share selling scam though or they sure as hell wouldn't have cancelled their last RS.
Only way to prevent an RS is revenue. So it looks legit.
I really like this stock.
Yep.
I don't think 0018 is a bad place to be.
Might watch it get traded for a bit though.
Probably.
So they can buy 0018 to sell at 003.
Then 0032 to sell at 004. and so on.
It's whatever. I honestly don't think any of it is gonna matter
when the stock is trading at 0.01+
Haha yea.
It's funny how many people will be with a stock like this like 2 days or 2 hours depending on price.
I'm just loading the boat while they play games.
The company is getting big revenues and will make a full recovery.
When its 0.01+ it wouldn't be worth it bid sitting and not getting those orders filled from my perspective.
Well I'm in the game now.
Just put in my order .0021 limit
Should get filled at some point.
oh no shit? How does that work? What tax rule are you referring to?
Haha!
I never thought of it that way, but that's the truth.
So even if and when most of them go belly up it just becomes a tax write off?
These oil and gas exploration companies are really a dime a dozen on OTC. SEC needs to do a better job of protecting the public from this BS.
Ya I agree.
If we don't hear anything soon war is going to be declared on this stock, the shorters will step in, and its all over but the crying.
I'm not that sentimental about stocks, and if they don't deliver soon I'm out.
Again like you said the VOIP world seems to be marching along just fine technically infringing on VPLM.
But, if I were Microsoft or whoever I might think "ya but you know what screw em, what are they gonna do about it sue me and run themselves out of business? ha!"
Filthy, but I'm afraid this stock might fall victim to the way the world works.
The big boys are just plain not taking this company seriously IMO.
One man's opinion. Wish I was wrong. And I wanted a homerun like many people here but it is time to get realistic.
A company isn't going to pay billion or more unless they see a clear cut way they can make money off of it (which who needs the patents when they can just steal them), or they are forced to through legality proceedings (which we cant afford).
Maybe I just need to take a vacation or go see a movie or something, as I'm finishing a 90hr work week tonight.