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Nah, I posted that before I saw what you posted. Look at my response to your post... And I am defensive, because this board just got hit with a Huge Bash campaign, and then you show up. Touting the stock they are trying to get everyone to buy.
Ok I see the 8K, with those revenues, that resulted in 161k in net loss, they ended the year with $48,177 Cash.
VS VPCO which Had 26 Million in revenues, 800K in Net Profit, with about 6-7 Million in Cash on hand.
Can you not see the difference in the quality of company?
Not to mention they reported a 2013 year end of 50 Million Shares outstanding, and by April 11th 2014 they had 334,381,399 shares outstanding. This would account for the Massive Spike Pump and dump that took place during the mid/end of march. Precisely where you got suckered in.
Now they Authorized to dump 2 BILLION more shares after they dumped the 350 Million they set out to, Please dude, save yourself from this shame of a company!
You should Really learn more about the stock you are invested in. I see you purchased VPOR shares at $.29, must hurt for the stock to be down to $.11
I strongly recommend you buy VPCO, as it is a much more sound company in every way, I would hate to see you lose more on the VPOR scam...
or should I call it "Smitten Press" or should I call it "Datamill Media Corp" or should I call it "AvWorks Aviation Corp"?
False! Below is the SEC Filing
2013NET REVENUES $ 62,731
SEC Edgar Filing Sytem
Statement Of Operations (USD $)
12 Months Ended
Dec. 31, 2013
Dec. 31, 2012
Statement Of Operations
NET REVENUES $ 62,731 $ 58,056
COST OF REVENUES 44,802 35,596
GROSS PROFIT 17,929 22,460
COST AND EXPENSES
Depreciation 2,000 2,000
Selling and marketing expenses 99 10,018
General and administrative expenses 61,710 156,848
Total cost and expense 63,809 168,866
(Loss) from continuing operations (45,880) (146,406)
Casualty loss (78,838)
Interest expense (14,142) (10,469)
Total other income and (expense) (14,142) (89,307)
Net Income $ (60,022) $ (235,713)
Earnings (loss) per share - Basic
Weighted average number of shares outstanding 270,020,145 267,465,400
Don't be fooled by these Recent posts by these Scam artists. VPOR Vapor Group, is a GARBAGE STOCK. These guys are trying to steal your shares before the earnings report.
Pathetic scare tactics, repeating key words over and over, trying to make it out like Anyone ever buys American Smoke and its "Quality Ecigs". That huge 63,000 in sales really shows the quality and how much people love the product.
Not to mention the Video is a complete fake. You can see who the Recipient of the Email is, William Fisher<bill@americansmoke.com> Funny how Vapor corp would make the mistake of marketing to the guys they are ripping off. I could remake this add and email it to myself and link it to wherever I wanted
Here, I just pulled the image from the site, ready to be changed at my whim.
So Mr.Bill here, an Employee of American Smoke, is trying to scam the fuck out of you.
All you have to do is look at the filings of both companies, NUMBERS DO NOT LIE, VAPOR GROUP IS TRASH, Vapor Corp is the REAL DEAL!!!.
VPCO $25,990,000 Revenues for 2013
VPOR $63,000 Revenues for 2013
VPCO 16,214,528 Shares Outstanding
VPOR 334,381,399 Shares Outstanding, with 2 BILLION more shares authorized to sell
VPCO Soon to be NASDAQ stock
VPOR Pump & Dump Scam!
It is a major scam attempt to steal your shares and get you to buy a garbage stock.
Yeah guys! Sell your shares of the company that sold 26 Million in revenue and buy the company that sold 63 thousand in revenue.
Get the Fuck out of here, you fucking scam artist.
...today announced plans to release its financial and operating results for the first quarter ended March 31, 2014, on Thursday, May 15, 2014, after markets close.
The Company's management team will host a conference call on Thursday, May 15, 2014 at 4:30 P.M. Eastern Time to discuss the Company's historical financial and operating performance during the first quarter ended March 31, 2014.
Because he didn't purchase them yet. What I posted was an agreement of his Option to buy those shares. He does not by any means have to buy them ever. However That share price is locked in for a year, so if VPCO hits 20-30 or whatever, he still gets to purchase those shares at the agreed price. This transaction takes place outside of the open market, so it won't reflect the public price directly anyways.
Well there are many other vaporizers that can do that, but I get what you are saying. VPCO so far hasn't openly associated with MJ, but they did have a tent set up at a recent music festival in Colorado. So they are indirectly going after that market as well.
Just submitted to the SEC, show a baseline price of $8.30 to expect going forward. At least if Kavanaugh expect to make any money on his stock options.
STATEMENT OF CHANGES IN BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP OF SECURITIES
Yes, I am confident earnings will e good as well. As for other ecig companies being successful, plenty could just suck at getting distribution, or don't promote well, or have shit products. VPCO i believe is one of the leaders in size and revenue.
BLU is by far the biggest. and in no particular order: NJOY, Logic, green smoke, krave, and V2 are the other biggest players I know of. As far as I know all of these ones are doing well, but there are hundreds of others that may or may not be doing well.
Don't do that :( unless earnings are bad(unlikely), then I will join you in computer wall throwing.
I am ok with it simply recovering based on earnings, because it will probably ride higher with the NASDAQ listing, which is only 2.5 months away.
Why do you think it will take months? it can go up just as swiftly as it goes down. Last run it went from $5.85 to $8.85 in ten days. And the run before that it went from $6 to $10 in 14 days.
The only people that know anything we don't are the insiders. There isn't any magical new source that certain people have access to that we don't. People sell to protect their financial position, for whatever reason they personally see fit. If this were most any other stock, I would have sold by now too. But, because of what I know about the stock and business, I have not been frightened off.
Nah, their will be extreme resistance before it gets to $4. At this point, I don't even think the MMs and insiders are willing to let it get that low.
ECIG is worth about $1-$2 based off of its financials.
Back at $5.95, nearly recovered all of today's losses. To those who sold, the MMs stole your shares.
Those are exactly my thoughts. They just rinse and repeat the same tricks, nearly to the day. Some people don't have the stomach for it. Last time it dipped under $6 I dropped a grand on it and made hundreds in profit over the course of the next 2 days.
I am right in your boat. I wish I had money to put in right now, cause it would have all gone in. about 5-10 days of pain left.
Same thing that has happened previously, last ditch efforts to trigger stop losses before the earnings. The last big decline that reached a low of $5.75 was 10 days before earnings. and as of right now the 15th, is the give or take date for Q1 earnings, which is about 9 days. I would say, expect maybe a few more flat days before it starts to climb in anticipation of earnings, then it should be a sight to see.
That is what kills me, is that the MMs do the same thing, over and over and over, almost to the day, but people still lose their nerve. I guess it is the people who don't know the stock as in depth, but have a set of standard stop loss rules that they strictly follow.
Something that crossed my mind.
There is one fact that I would like to mention, that crossed my mind. This is purely speculation, but it REALLY looks to be the case, based on the evidence hopefully one of you could help me confirm my suspicion.
As we all know, VPCO retained Knight Global as a consultant, which was in combination of their appointment of Kavanaugh, who is a stakeholder of and is closely tied to Knight. I never made the connection before, but remembered how many times I have heard about Knight, or better known as NITE in the trading world, as being very involved with manipulating stocks. I have seen many screenshot from traders who were posting about other stocks, show NITE flooding the bid and ask, masking trades, and all the other tricks MMs do to get people to give up shares for cheap.
That leads me to the 8K which clearly states that they entered the deal with Knight on Feb 3rd, and like clockwork the next few days, the stock dropped from nearly $8 to under $6. This of course was followed by a jump to nearly $9 before it dropped back down and slowly crept down to where it is now. These facts plus the fact that it is being so heavily suppressed right before an upcoming earnings announcement just seem waaaaay to fishy to be coincidence.
Now I don't have the resources to see actual trades as they go through and who places them, but I bet if one of you had software that showed that info, you may very well see NITE all over the bid and ask for VPCO. I would appreciate if anyone could help me confirm my suspicion
Funny, I just watched that the night before I wrote that comment. But really, it is true to an extent. Stocks really are just fairy dust until cashed in. That is why it is so important to understand when to take profits and run. in reality the financials could come out and be terrible, and something could happen that stops the NASDAQ listing, nobody really knows for sure. But with good research and knowledge you can bet based on odds/probability, and have a better chance at making the right choices. I try to make many decisions based on probability, because it is the closest thing to predicting an outcome that you can get in life. Something could always go wrong, so don't dwell on the what ifs and focus on what you do know and can control.
Another thing to consider is that movie was based in a much different time in the stock market, things are very different now. In fact values are even harder to predict with all these computers and algorithms makes millions of decisions per second. But generally with legitimate stocks, they will be priced on sound numbers; although emotion and peoples perceived "potential" play major roles as well.
The stock market is rigged, and the people in power can and will make stocks do whatever they want. The one thing you do know, is they will do whatever they can to make money. So just try to think like them and figure out what they are doing, and ride the coat tails. In the case of VPCO, basically all signs point to up. But before that, they are going to try and reclaim as many shares as they can. In our case this has happened every single time before a large move upward. Since things in the business have continued to develop for the positive, I see no reason why it shouldn't happen again. Right now the odds tell me to wait for the gap up, and since that is the only control I have over it, that is all I am going to worry about.
It is all fairy dust, but that doesn't mean you can't make money off of it as long as you understand how the magic works.
You want some reassurance huh? well here is a "short" list of reasons that I personally believe, as someone who has VERY thoroughly researched and also has basically my whole portfolio in this stock, that this company will succeed, along with the share holders.
The first easy reason of course is the more than exponential growth of the market. Coupled with that is of course, as you know, VPCO has by far the best position of any of the public ecig stocks. There are private companies doing better, but who cares, there is plenty of room for multiple players in the market.
The management. VPCO has been able to grow and succeed with very little means up until this point. They have been very smart with their capital and seem to make very smart decisions in business. I feel with their new credit lines and the fund they raised, which has given them with literally 10X the amount of capital they ever had, will allow them to really get the ball moving.
Look at the chart. There has been a repeating pattern for the price of this stock that closely coincides with big developments in the stock. Time wise, we are right in the time range of when the next bump up should be happening. Oddly enough we have financials right around the corner. If they continue as they have been doing, and I see no reason why they shouldn't, revenue should continue to be very good. In the past they have has to settle for less than ideal borrowing terms. In the past year they have massively reduced debt and proclaim that they will be debt free this year. I feel that this is a very very important fact. So, revenue and profits have continued to go up and debt has been going down.
Short interest has been on the decline, with a couple of bumps(increases) along the way. The chart has followed short interest exactly over the past year. For a stock that has had nothing but positive news after positive news, to me this indicates manipulation, as it has only really taken place after this stock entered the public eye early in 2013.
The stock has a low float, and a fairly low market cap in comparison to its overpriced rivals and the growth and potential of the market and the company. This plus a good balance sheet almost always means shares go up.
Upcoming NASDAQ listing. They have met every deadline thus far in meeting NASDAQ requirements, and it is a mere 2 months away. Listing to a major exchange is very expensive, and I doubt they would pursue such a venture unless they thought it was a good idea. Sure, many NASDAQ stock have done poorly, but VPCO has given no indication that they are doing anything but very well.
FDA regulations thus far are not very strict, and that is just good for everyone in the sector. I think over time the science will demonstrate how much less harmful vaping is for people.
Although is makes things frustrating in the short term, they don't spend much time and resources updating us with nonsense fluff news. They only update u when shit is important. to me this tells me they dedicate their resources to what is important, the business.
And personally, I as a graphic designer that worked producing advertising and signage for the convenience/gas station industry, can tell you that I made numerous ads for Krave for a number of companies. these were ads paid for by the establishments, not Vapor Corp. I doubt these companies would pay for advertising if they weren't selling or trying to sell a product. This is actually how i discovered the company in the first place, back when it was 15-20¢.
Anyhow, I hope this gives you a little peace of mind. I am in the same boat as you, although your boat may be bigger, I can relate. But when ever I get any feelings of doubt I remind myself of the facts above. This isn't the first time I have watch my investment suffer on the short term. Look at the chart, and you will see the past two stressful times I had when dealing with this stock. But you know what? Each time I reassured myself, loaded more shares on the low end and felt the joy when the stock inevitably headed back up. Stick to your guns man, not much time left before the patience pays off.
Hot damn, this was a long post.
Seriously, it is so close to earnings. It is so painful to watch, but come on, just a couple weeks of patience is all you need.
I have been interested and researching the ecig market for nearly 2 years now, and I can tell you without any doubt, that out of the publicly traded ecig companies, that VPCO is currently by far in the best shape. There are a number of complete scams, and others that have yet to prove themselves.
Definitely do your own research, but I will say, this company is the best place to start if you are looking for a real investment in ecigs. If you have any questions about them, please feel free to ask, I would be happen to shed light on any topic you may have, to the best of my abilities.
You are confused. SPLI is changing its name to Vapor Group. This is different from Vapor Corp. I think SPLI is just trying to jump on the ecig bandwagon. They definitely have nothing to do with Vapor Corp in any way, as far as I know.
I wasn't super fond of their CFO either. I fully expected their margins to drop, as more of their income is now from brick and mortar and less from online as time goes by. You also have to remember they had amazing margins, and even reduced, they are still very good. As for the breakdown, I would have liked that two, but for an OTC company, their reporting is above and beyond what you will get from most of them. As time goes by and as they uplist, they will become even more transparent.
I also noticed the large tax benefit as part of their Net profit. This is not something out of the ordinary though. it is not concerning to me however, for a small and growing company that had a decent loss the prior year, to get a nice tax benefit, any company would proudly list that as part of their profit. To balance it however, you need only look at their interest expense, which was 384k for the year. That is nearly as much as their current total debt, and a large portion of what their tax benefit was. The main thing to focus on in my opinion is the increase in revenues and what the upcoming quarter will bring. They have had time at this point to leverage the $10Mil they raised, and the thousands of extra retail locations they added. So I imagine going forward, a large reduction in interest expense, a large reduction in tax benefit, increased revenues and hopefully a profitable quarter.
As for their website, it has also bugged me that it doesn't show up when googled, I don't really understand why either, although I can tell you that they do not sell from the Vapor-Corp website, but rather from the websites of their brands. Kraveit website comes up easily with the search "krave ecig".
Your concerns are definitely not trivial, you are just being mindful fo your investment, which is a good thing. I guess it really comes down to how you weigh the pros vs the cons. I think their are far more pros than cons.
I don't think it is. First because I don't think the results will be bad, I think they should be good like they have been. But more importantly, I imagine his step down is strategic, as Kevin wasn't the best spotlight CEO, he was always awkward in interviews, and gives off a feel of shadiness. Although I believe he just doesn't do well on camera, it benefits everyone to have a different spokesman and leader.
But who knows really, anything could happen.
Indeed it is frustrating to watch the other stocks have these huge artificial booms. But think about how many people got burned in those booms. Hardly anyone made money when ECIG climbed to $60, the volume was teeny tiny, so the price going up that high meant nothing. It was also the result of some really scammy hyper short squeeze, before share restrictions even allowed most people to trade their shares.
The funny thing is, that with the price being stuck here for so long, I have been able to add and keep my avg low. It also makes me very confident in the stocks future. If so much effort is being put into keeping this thing depressed before the uplisting, even though, quite literally everything has been positive for this company, then I am supremely confident that the price will rise significantly.
All the MMs who have been accumulating shares, want to make money hand over fist, and they will because of how successful they are of getting everyone to hand over their shares. The entire stock market is rigged, and people like you and I simply can't compete anymore. The only hope for chums like us is to learn the signs and trick of the market and try to ride on the coat tails of the people shaping the market.
I really do understand your frustration, as I have basically bet the farm(a very small farm =/ ) on VPCO. So, I want to see the PPS rise more than anyone. Especially since I can no longer accumulate even if I wanted to.
Not really. They have waited till the last day or two with each of their deadlines so far, but have always met them. Although I think they will make an announcement before trading on Monday, As I suspected, there is this provision in the contract that gives them some wiggle room, provided all the parties agree to it:
9.6 Amendments and Waivers. Any term of this Agreement may be amended and the observance of any term of this Agreement may be waived (either generally or in a particular instance and either retroactively or prospectively), only with the written consent of the Company and the Investors. Any amendment or waiver effected in accordance with this paragraph shall be binding upon each holder of any Shares purchased under this Agreement at the time outstanding, each future holder of all such Shares, and the Company.
Also keep in mind, they may have already met the deadline and just haven't announced it yet.
If you look at OTC markets short interest chart, you can see the unmistakable trend of VPCOs price vs the short interest at the time. It is nice to see that the number of shares that are short has gone from 175k to 140k since January. The shorts steadily covering their positions, as they know this will soon be on the a very nice uptrend.
The price movement over the past year follows the short interest almost perfectly. Short interest goes up, and the price goes down. Short interest goes down, and the price goes up. Based on a year of those perfectly matching trends, we are VERY nearly do for a pop. The last time there were 3 consecutive reports of lowering short interest, the stock had a 100% run; that was with a swing of 100k Shorted shares. Right now we have a 31k swing of shorts coming off the market; maybe we see a 20-30% gain soon.
This of course is all speculations, and past numbers of course are no guarantee of future numbers. But, I think it does give some insight.
if 60s happen it would be years in the future. I wouldn't be surprised to see 15-20 within 6 months though, if sales keep growing like they have been.
People sell because stop losses get triggered, or they freak out and ditch the shares without enough knowledge of the company. The thing you have to understand is, the stock market is entirely rigged, and there are big players that basically control everything a stock does. Right now we are on the cusp of new board member announcements, Q1 announcement (which based on the past should be amazing, and is supposed to happen on the 15th), and lastly we are just a couple months from the uplist. This stock has a low float and make it very easy for the price to be pushed in one direction or another. I am absolutely sure there has been a steady accumulation by influential people before these events occur.
As for a buyout, it is hard to say if it will happen or what the price would be. There definitely won't be a 1:1 share ratio for a tobacco stock though.
I indeed had that same concern. I tried a Krave once and was concerned because one of the two didn't work. The puff was somewhat weak and I wasn't too impressed with the soft filter. However, I am not a smoker, and I had many people confirm to me that the other brands suffer some the same issues. As far as ratings go, just because some are rated better does not mean they will succeed, and vise versa. VPCO has the third largest distribution of ecigs behind BLU and Njoy, which puts them in a nice place. Also, if you consider how many Cigarette brands there are, one can conclude that if the market expands like people suspect, there will be plenty of room for many brands in the market.
They need 2 more board members, which they will announce before the end of this month, and then they have until the end of July to uplist. So far they have met every deadline, have kept steady growth, and have firmed up their reporting timelines. I have no doubt they will reach the July deadline. VPCO is notorious for being bad about press releases, but very soon we will we will get Q1 result, new board member announcement, and then a few months for the uplist.
That is all computer software from the big guys siphoning value out little by little while they can. Just wait for the 3 key announcements in the next 4 months for this stock to fly. Q1 earnings, board members, and NASDAQ uplist, these are all that matters. The day to day on this stock is really meaningless except for those playing the waves and accumulating. So either do that, or hold long and don't look at it on a day to day basis.
I would imagine the shares would be common stock, and a similar amount to what ryan kavanaugh got for his deal. Similar in number, not necessarily the same stipulations though.