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Hey, just stopping by to say hi! No need to respond, I'm just passing by.
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W2P-Excellent!!!!!!!!!!
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stockzar-It was not hype thats for sure. The domain name used to be registered to senecio software in Bowling Green, Ohio. This company has worked on NIH applications with DNAPrint, and also has a strategic allience with DNAPhenomics. Nonetheless, shortly after light was made about the possibility of DNAP and dnaprintnordic.com, DNAPhenomics immediately started updating their website and dnaprintnordic disappeared. This is the whole basis on why many people thought there might be a connection between DNAP and DNAPhenomics. When DNAPhenomics started updating their website there was DNAPrint Genomics logo's in their file directory. It has been a complete mystery to me ever since, and still continues to be one today as far as I'm concerned. Then again, there may be a connection between DNAPrint and DNAPhenomics, guess we wont know until a PR comes if it ever does.
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Ann-Is that a list of expired domain names? If it is, it means that that website no longer exist. That would make sense, since it is no longer retrievable in altavista.
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stockzar-I noticed that Tony was speaking in the Netherlands, I like that! I'm concerned with how dnaprintnordic.com has suddenly disappeared from the face of this earth, at one time or another you could actually see the link in altavista. It was right below dnaprintasiapacific.com, some may remember. I'd still like to get to the bottom of that mystery, other than that senecio owns the sites. Maybe dnaprintnordic was discontinued because Germany has been unresponsive to the new possibilities now occuring in the forensics and personalized medicine fields? I'd like to think that it was pulled from the shelves because our investigative work here proved DNAPrint was setting their mark in the nordic regions before they were ready to tell us! I'M STILL HOPING! Thanks for your insight! I'm was very interested in getting a Germans point of view on this article. The last thing I wanted to do is interpret from an Americans point of view when the article obviously originated from Germany, or Switzerland.
Hey, are you going to the conference that Tony's speaking at?
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Actually, I think the article is refering to the decoding of DNA in general going up for regulatory use. Isn't there a few people on this board that speak German? Cariocca and the stockzar? I'd really like to hear your thoughts on this article! Let us know in a nutshell what the whole article is saying. I think I get the gist though, Germany is unwilling to except the decoding of DNA in their country for a few reasons explained in the article. Is the article talking about DNAprint getting regulatory use in the Netherlands, or just the decoding of DNA in general?
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A little more about the Benecke article regarding the part about DNAP.
In September 2002 the California company DNAPrint Genomics besides announced to be able to determine the eye color on the basis DNS samples nearly free of doubts. In addition it uses a new class forensisch interesting hereditary property of ranges: the SNPs in such a way specified (single nucleotide polymorphisms). Those are punctual differences in the hereditary property of different individuals. Despite the lean application type the possible future use of the coding DNS for the Netherlands parliament is incentive enough to permit their application and legally reglementieren.
I dont know much about actually translating the German language into the English language, I can barely speak English properly. LOL. But is this article refering to DNAP trying to get regulatory status in the Netherlands? Does anyone remember dnaprintnordic.com? I could be way off, does anyone else know more about German than I do? Let me know your thoughts.
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Team-Complete translation!
So blue eyes the Netherlands permit a new form of man hunt with DNS traces of Marks to Benecke At the beginning of of April will sign the Netherlands queen that world-wide first law, which permits it to make itself on the basis DNS traces at the scene a more exact picture from criminals to. Then Holland Kriminalisten may not only win the genetic finger mark from hair, blood or sperm and compare it with the DNS of potenzieller authors. They may read also in the genes and close from it on body characteristics: on red hair about, blue eyes or also slawische cheek bones? as soon as this is technically possible. The new law can help Kees with the clearing-up of crimes, is pleased van the Beek of Netherlands Forensi Institut. It marks that the application of the technology must be also reglementiert, but generally promises itself it much from it. The thing in Germany is not seen so pragmatic. The federation of German kriminalbeamter in North Rhine-Westphalia does not even dare a statement, because this could be interpreted?falsch?. Too strongly still the reservations are against the use of the classical genetic finger mark, which could be introduced here to country only after violent arguments. The conventional variant serves only the author comparison and makes possible? contrary to the new technology? no statement about bodies or spirit. The caution of the kriminalbeamten is not unfounded. Already the bare remark that DNS of the scene could reveal many characteristics of the author, in Germany actually solves large resistance out. Thus Bernd Brinkmann, at that time at the University of cathedral, mentioned president of the German society for right medicine and to today professor in August 2001 with a conference forensischer genetiker the possibility of providing in the future of phantom views of offenders on the basis genetic finger marks. The mouth was open to the participants before confusion. Because in Germany one has fear that the police looks with the help of the genes too deeply in the private life. Finally do the hereditary factors contain also numerous information, which does not concern kriminalbeamte necessarily somewhat? over diseases for example.
There is also the danger that one can read a daily still much more from the genes, gives Peter Buettgen, Sprecher Federal Commissioners for the data security to consider: the Aggressionspotenzial about or also the slope to the alcohol abuse. ?Man so much can make that with the genetic traces and would be such a strong interference into the right of self-determination that we want to limit the employment of such DNS tests rather from the beginning to the man hunt?, Buettgen says. Which for a taboo topic the analysis from characteristics the DNS (more exactly said from their?kodierenden ranges?) in Germany is, pointed also an inquiry of the magazine of the European Molecular Biology Organization in January 2002 at a congress to Bonn. There she distributed a questionnaire, in which German-language DNS Typisierer was asked, which tests it beyond the conventional genetic finger mark considered acceptable. An older professor rose furiously and forbade to the verdutzten participants, who use of the coding DNS to at all only discuss (1). ?Dabei the representation of outwardly visible characteristics is only a logical and very useful improvement of the kriminaltechnischen toolbox?, Kees means van the Beek. ?In a democratic country should not that for anybody fear make, if the use is appropriately reglementiert? The Netherlands parliament introduced appropriate precautionary measures. Surprised with the cancer test So only such characteristics from blood, sperm or other biological traces may be determined in Holland, which are also for the prosecution meaningful and outwardly visible. Besides the characteristics of the birth of the carrier must be to present. These three conditions however fulfill only few characteristics, for example the eye or hair color. Diseases or? which is possible perhaps also never for future music and? mental characteristics may not be read thus from the genes. Critics however fear that Kriminalisten could place soon large requirements. Because naturally it helps during the prosecution, if one knows something about the diseases of the author. Thus does a Trisomie become 21? to the down syndrome leads? in Holland as important for the man hunt does not judge at present. But without a doubt it would limit the possible author circle substantially, if one knew that the search under this genetic defect suffers. Even the knowledge around a increased intestine cancer risk could possibly drive the police the author a daily into the arms.
13 years too late
In the immediate future the Netherlands law will have however hardly effects. Because still too little admits over the hereditary property of humans is, so far only very few characteristics from it can be read off. Disputed it is anyway whether it will ever be possible to provide a more or less exact phantom view with the help of the genes. The appearance of humans is coined/shaped also strongly by environmental influences, gives to consider Bernd Brinkmann. Clearly and free of doubts the genes give already today the sex of their owner to price. And also its Ethnie can be already picked out with some security from the genes. However do not know genetiker by any means, which hereditary factors determine in the individual ethnical affiliation of a person. Comparisons of DNS traces from all world show however, which sections are particularly frequent for instance in Asia, Africa or Western Europe. Appropriate finds in a author DNS point thus to asiatic face courses? however also a Koreanerin born in Manhattan to belong can, which is straight with Swiss passport on a raid by South Africa. Even with as relatively simple characteristics as hair and skin color the Forensiker has meanwhile still problems. Because also such characteristics are coded by several sections of the hereditary substance. Therefore it could be still lasted some time, be derived to black, aschblonde and brown hair reliably from a DNS trace. Only with the Rothaarigen it seems to have the science easily. Like that is a test for the?Melanocortin-1-Rezeptor? already ready for the market, which nevertheless recognizes the plant to red hair with 80-per cent security. In September 2002 the California company DNAPrint Genomics besides announced to be able to determine the eye color on the basis DNS samples nearly free of doubts. In addition it uses a new class forensisch interesting hereditary property of ranges: the SNPs in such a way specified (single nucleotide polymorphisms). Those are punctual differences in the hereditary property of different individuals. Despite the lean application type the possible future use of the coding DNS for the Netherlands parliament is incentive enough to permit their application and legally reglementieren. In Great Britain the Forensic Science service even already works for some years with the technology? without a legal basis for it to have created. Germany however will probably continue to avoid the discussion. A bill, which the red-green coalition submitted in the context of amending the Sexualstrafrechts at the 28.Januar, plans to read in the future the sex from the genes. Information from the coding DNS is to remain however unused. ?Das a too large interference would be into the privacy and thus in?, Christiane Wirtz, spokeswoman in the Federal Department of Justice says. Already during the introduction of the classical finger marks from ink Germany was very careful. Only with 13-jaehriger delay introduced it this technology before one hundred years, in April 1903. As world-wide last country.
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Team-Here is the translation!
In September 2002 the California company DNAPrint Genomics besides announced to be able to determine the eye color on the basis DNS samples nearly free of doubts. In addition it uses a new class forensisch interesting hereditary property of ranges: the SNPs in such a way specified (single nucleotide polymorphisms). Those are punctual differences in the hereditary property of different individuals.
Got it from http://babelfish.altavista.com/
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Arch, very interesting article! I feel better and better about my investment everyday.
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DougS-Thank You!
Does anyone know of a website where I can get a list of all the bids and asks for the day for a particular stock? I'm at work and I dont have access to my favorite's folder. If what I'm looking for can be accessed from the site that "teamlasvegas" posted I'd like to know how I would go about finding it.
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How come this PR is not on DNAPrints website?
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-04-2003/0001884803&...
This is from Feb. 2003
http://www.statehealthclips.com/2002/NationalArchives/20030204.htm
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Arch-You are right. You take other people's response's at a much smaller grain of salt than I. But then again, you have a few more years at it than I. I too need to do the same, maybe after DNAP goes big time? Arch, you are a little slicker than I, but at least I'm getting an early start! Take care Arch!
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Arch, I think some of the bashers on RB fail to realize that DNAP is still a start-up bio-tech that is forging a new market. We know for a fact that Microsoft didn't completely take off until the mid 80's even though Gate's started the company in the late 70's. I, as well as you have full confidence in DNAPrint. DocT is very smart, he would not fund a start-up company if he didn't think he would reap the benefits. Big time Pr's may not be out on Monday but they will be out, and I wont sell one single share until then.
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To strange, http://athens.pop.psu.edu/admincore/abstract2.cfm?ID=70. Notice, no talk of the 10K Mapping Array. On top of that, the project period for this grant is now over. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this ASAP.
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W2P, I think they have to be updating the page itself, at least you can still see the project period though. Although it would be nice if we could still see the grant itself, something is better than nothing. Thanks W2P, I'm forced to start a new folder in my favorites list strickly for cutting and pasting all the worth while research being done here. Here you go, http://www.genome.gov/Pages/Hyperion/Grant_info/Grant_search/query.cgi?display_abstract=on&query...
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chrisbaskett, this link was not available on IHUB's newsletter's so I took the liberty of providing it for you. DocT talks about GMED in this newsletter, I think he thinks of AncestryByDna as a trade off for the money they owe DNAP.
http://www.chalberweid.ch/DNAPrint/DNAP%20Newsletter%200103.pdf
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http://www.forgotston.com/AP06-04-03.htm
What I find interesting in this article is what DOC T says:
Frudakis said DNAPrint Genomics' work with the task force was their first case with law enforcement, but he said they were working on seven to 10 similar cases now.
Yesterday's release must be 1 of those 7-10!
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Arch, Just sent emails to the Detroit News and the Chattanooga Timesfreepress, I'll let the board know if I get a response. I'll continue to get the word out anyway I can.
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I'm on it Arch.
Early
Nice! Read #2
http://www.postpoliosupport.com/polio%20post%20news.htm#-2-
Early
This from July 2002.
http://www.ncjrs.org/pdffiles1/nij/194197.pdf
Well, we know where some of their help is coming from:
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/article.asp?Feed=PR&Date=20030825&ID=2816358&Sym...
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ustacud, You shouldn't talk about the Irish like that, its a religous school. Its alright though, I saw the the Irish BEAT the seminoles last year in Tallahasee, FL. LOLOLOLOLOL! Maybe I'll see you at the game, my Dad and I, and some of his business partner's maybe renting a motor home and driving up from Chattanooga.
LET'S GO IRISH! LET'S GO IRISH!
Early
P.S. You didn't deserve the National Title in '93, we beat you that year, and we had the same record. LOL! The echo's remember though, remember that when your looking at touchdown Jesus next Saturday. LOL.
P.S.S. This is all in good fun!
This article in Portuguese. These foreign authors dont seem to like DNAPrint, they are definately question their validity. Shriver quoted in this one.
http://www.lindoianet.com.br/noticias/01_10_02/noticia8.php3
A company of the Flórida is offering a DNA examination that, according to it, is capable to evaluate the racial profile of the customer and, in case that this is crossbred, the ratio of each present race in its genetic code. Alleging to be "the first service of recreativos genômicos examinations of the world", the company, DNAPrint Genomics Incorporation, she affirms that the examination will be useful for those people interested in its origins, as well as for more practical objectives, as "to validate the prerequisite ones for the ingression in the university or to receive benefits governmental, established in racial criteria". Each examination costs USS 290 (about of R$ 1,090), or USS 160 (about R$ 600) for an initial period, and is carried through with DNA of removed cells, with a swab, of the mucosa of the mouth of the individual. According to Tony Frudakis, molecular biologist and director-executive of the company, the examination will help "to bury myths in which if it bases racism", when demonstrating that, "in all we, especially in the United States, it has a great variety of ancestral". But geneticistas that they do not belong to the pictures of the company had expressed reserves how much to the precision of the test, affirming that it still has a relatively small amount of data regarding the genetic differences between ethnic groups. "In thesis, it is possible esteem the extension of the miscegenation, but the numbers will not be very necessary", affirm Stephen J. O'Brien, population geneticista of the National Institute of the Cancer, to if relating to the ratio of different ancestries in miscigenadas people.
Frudakis says that the examination if bases on a set of genetic markers, known as SNPs, that had been, in its majority, gotten in public banks of data. The SNPs is local to the long one of the human genoma where "alternative chemical letters" of DNA, the genetic material, comumente are found. The "letters" gifts in these places vary of a person for another one. Working with Mark Shriver, of the University of the State of the Pensilvânia, the DNAPrint Genomics developed a set of SNPs that if they constitute in the diagnosis of the continent of origin of determined individual, affirms Frudakis. These five geographic areas correspond to the great human population groups, or races: "native Americans, eastern Asians, Asian meridionals, sub-Saarianos Europeans, Africans, etc.", in accordance with the Web site of the company. The SNPs had been validated when having been tested in a set of people of the five continental areas, and the precision of the basic test was evaluated by means of the comparison of the results with known registers, affirms Frudakis. All the populations human beings possess the same joint of genes and, in its majority, the same joint of variant forms of these genes, inherited of species predecessors. But the small differences, in its bigger part shunting lines in the frequency of common genetic variations, if had accumulated with passing of the time in different populations in the whole world. The study of these differences it came the public to a large extent as by-product of two other lines of research that if had become possible favours the human genoma project. One is the capacity of if tracking old migrations that if they had originated from Africa, from different standards of DNA alterations that if they had accumulated between populations of each continent, generating a substantial isolation, ones in relation to the others. To another investigativa line, how much to the identity of variant genes that cause illnesses, it demonstrated the fact of that different ethnic groups seem to possess different standards of genetic causalidade, what it took the scientists of the biomedical sector to speculate if the race is a factor that would have to be taken in consideration in the studies of the illnesses. Most of the researchers still is reluctant in studying races under such prism, and the examination of the DNAPrint seems to go beyond everything what it was published in scientific literature. According to David B. Goldstein, population geneticista of the University College, of London, is erroneous to assume that the population human being if rabbet in five accurate groups, as they give to understand the researchers of the DNAPrint. For it, the real standard will have to well more demonstrate to be complicated. "This examination really goes a little far excessively to if detailing in definitive groups, in a way that does not count on scientific evidences", it criticizes.
But the examination could, the principle, to supply valid information so that if it evaluates the relative degree of inheritance of an individual, based on two populations, such as African occidental people and Europeans, affirms Goldstein. It and O'Brien reveal concern how much the possibility of that examinations as of the DNAPrint cause more damages of that benefits. In case that the promise of the human genoma project is fulfilled and the information genetic to start to flow for the clinics, "the population goes to need to count on a great reliable index in that the geneticistas say e to it, therefore, this type of accidental boarding is very dangerous, since it can become the skeptical public how much the genetic information", says Goldstein. But Shriver finds that the examination is beneficial. "the final result is that we are breaching with a classification based on dichotomies", affirms. What it wants to say is that, instead of friction the people as white or black, the examination will disclose to a continuous specter of ancestry between the Afros-American and other ethnic groups. The specter of miscigenada ancestry continues in the population européia-American, of which 10% has ancestral Africans, affirms Shriver. For its surprise, it it discovered that he is enclosed in this parcel. Probably through a Mexican grandmother, it null contains alelo "Duffy", a variant of a gene that protects the individual of the malaria and that it is very common in the Africans of the Sub-Saara, but rare among others populations.
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Another German Article with you know who in it! This one is a little easier to read.
http://www.zeit.de/2002/39/Wissen/200239_m-rassenmedizin.html
Other race, other pill The medical profession and gene researchers animate the race discussion again:
They demand to order medicines depending upon skin color. Thus they want to become fair genetic differences Of Hubertus Breuer If Sally Satel in their physician smock storms in the treatment room, she always bring along her racial prejudices. If the Psychiaterin in their which hanging toners drug hospital uses up for instance the antidepressive Prozac, she sets a lower dose than with with Afroamerikanern white June gravel. The reason: "black ones process tendency on Heller more slowly than white ones and Asians." With 40 per cent of all black ones come it to unwanted side effects - therefore Satel begins with a small quantity. Also different medical profession want to make conclusion with the politically correct equal treatment of white and black: Recently that reported to new England journal OF Medicine that the heart medicine fastens Enalapril with patients of black and white skin color differently. Black ones showed up for welfare-end active substance less sensitively. Besides they had because of heart weakness more frequently in the hospital. That could refer to a different life-style, means careful the authors - in addition, it could be because of medicaments to diminishing enzymes and other active substance receptors, which are different at both groups. Because black ones often suffer from lack of nitrogen, which increases the blood pressure, they assumed, do not work Enalapril probably correctly. Such studies kindle a debate again, which was considered long as overcome in the United States. Suddenly the verpoente term "race" stands again on the agenda. But this mark are there not sociologists or Anthropologen, who argue about the variability of human Ethnien, but the medical profession and gene researchers. They require to consider the characteristic "race" in the medicine more strongly in order to become better fair patients of different origin.
Such demands are explosive in a country, which always endeavors itself to regard its citizens "color-neutrally". To attempts to arrange ethnical groups scientifically the American public reacts allergisch. That showed last the scandal around the book The Bell Curve in the year 1994. Therein the psychologist Richard gentleman stone and the sociologist Charles Murray maintain, on the intelligence scale of mankind would stand for Asians and Jews obenan, black ones against it at the end - not only for sociological reasons. Their descent is also genetically conditioned. At the end the discriminating statement proved as untenable. But for approximately one year the disputed term "race" is removed the taboo from. Physicians such as Sally Satel do not only demand to recognize race as probates diagnostic criterion. In past March even the American health authority approved a clinical study, which is directed alone toward black ones - for the test of a blood pressure means for the first time in its history, which increases the nitrogen values in the blood. Civil rights activists gave their benedictions.
Adam's sons, Evas of daughters The race-conscious medical profession can get themselves cover with Genetikern. Because their realizations give quite lift to the idea, different more humanly "families" - although differently, than this some racingist in its black-and-white thinking had imagined. The Humangenetiker Luca Cavalli Sforza made itself already at the beginning of the nineties to sort the race mixture genetically. it set human the Genome Diversity Project to 1993 in motion, in order to provide a world Atlas to that gene variety and to reconstruct the family tree of humans. The method had success. Gene archaeologists around Cavalli Sforza and other researchers discovered that the Homo had developed sapiens in different continents different mutations of the hereditary property, after it had emigrated from Africa. Over the world scattered, the researchers found in this way 10 male and 18 female master owners of mankind, to a certain extent Adam's sons and Evas of daughters. The genetic differences between this Ureltern of the different Ethnien are however minimal. all humans divide 99.9 per cent of their genes, no matter with one another whether they originate from Asia, Africa or Europe. Only the remaining tenth per cent of the heiress formation is variable. "the differences between races", Cavalli Sforza says, "is to superficial nature. They represent adjustments to the respective climatic conditions." The dark skin of the black ones about is to be due to the pigment melanin, which protects against strong solar radiation. Others however interpret Cavalli Sforzas findings exactly turned around: That tenth per cent is from greatest importance, stresses it. Because of the schimpansen also only 1.3 per cent of hereditary substance differentiates between humans - nevertheless both completely different kinds belong. A tenth per cent of our hereditary property, which nevertheless corresponds three million gene letter, may embody there salient differences between ethnical groups. Also the Psychiaterin Sally Satel warns to ignore this difference. "it concerns more than around skin pigments. Behind such characteristics genetic evolution history hides itself "- and just on it refers the term race. Satel stated thereby however by any means, it does not give a deep ditch, which separates white ones from black ones. In the gamble of the gene distribution a Asiate can stand occasionally for a European quite more near than its native neighbour. The Psychiaterin and their fellow combatants goes it rather around the average gene profile of the races. From statistic view the heiress formations distribute themselves on a way, which differentiates Australian natives clearly from Islaendern. And only that is decisive for the medicine.
Similar considerations are employed also in Great Britain. There the national Forensic Science service (FSS) already put on a DNS profile for the five largest subpopulations on the British islands - composes from genetic markers. The authority goes thereby to the police to the hand. From the saliva at a cigarette dump the forensische service can determine for example with high probability whether behind the smoker a man of Indian descent hides himself. Andrew Urquhart, Chefgenetiker of the authority, warns however to measure-understand the genetic phantom views as biological foundation of the race. Because the selected characteristics of the hereditary property belong to the Junk DNA so mentioned, to the gene garbage to a certain extent. "you do not have influence on it, like a person look or their metabolism functioned", say Urquhart. The majority of the human hereditary property consists of such apparently useless letters. Check only lean five per cent of the components, how humans look and how his body machine runs - thus what one calls the phenotype. But one searched also in this relevant, the coding genes in the past years for exposing. Already 1995 discovered the English FSS team a gene for red hair. And the US-American bio Tech company DNAPrint Genomics can determine today assistance of a gene sample the eye color quite well. Group-haven-guessed/advised to more than a few mosaic stones in, which we make ourselves intuitive by Ethnien, it is not enough so far however. It concerns to the physicians less the appearance. They interest genes, which are medically relevant. And differences between ethnical groups show up also there. Haemochromatosis, a hereditary iron memory illness, is almost unknown with Chinese and Indian, emerges however with 7,5 per cent all Sweden. The deadly Tay Sachs illness is particularly common with in Europe and North America living Jew. Black ones again are more susceptible to Sichelzellenanaemie. This hereditary disease spread in the southern Africa, because for it the responsible person offered defective gene protection from the malaria. 20 to 40 per cent African live with the gene defect. "leaving we such differences consciously under the table to fall", explains the genetiker Neil Risch of the Stanford University in the specialized journal Genome Biology, "proves we to minorities in the long run a disservice." Risch sees the ethnical characteristics as bundle of small genetic mutations, which left themselves in geographical isolation over thousands of years. After it examined a number of genetic markers in the past years, Risch suggests now dividing the Homo sapiens in five large continental groups of gene types: Kaukasier, among which it ranks Europeans, Inder and the Near East; Humans from Subsahara Africa; the inhabitants of the Pacific islands; Asian and the natives Americas - a categorization, which quite confirms our race understanding oriented at bare outward appearances. Risch indicates that 100 arbitrarily selected beziehunsgweise 30 aimed selected places of the Erbgutsequenz were sufficient to determine the geographical origin of most persons. This organization makes however only statements about the type of gene; like the kit actually the individual individual, thus the phenotype, affects, remains unconsidered - and thus genetic mutations, which possibly play a role for the compatibility of medicines, are ignored.
Skin color is not everything That the medicament compatibility little is linked with the region with the appearance, probably however, recently the Populationsgenetiker David Goldstein of the University college in London discovered. At pro gangs from different countries it found out that gene ranges, which regulate our reaction to preparations arise usually in four geographical groups bundled. These are: the western Eurasien, Subsahara Africa, China and new Guinea. That does not only contradict Rischs categorization, but is irritating also for the bare inspection: Because according to the Goldsteins' model the Aethiopier belonged as North Africans to the Eurasiern - into a pot with Norwegians, the British and Armenians. Thus both of the quarrelling parties in the long run probably get little right. Proponents of the race term will pound also in the future on the fact that some DNS chips in geographical subpopulations particularly often occur. And the opponents may refer rightfully to the fact that from frequency distributions the particulars can be never judged. For the medical treatment this means: The simple model of Sally Satel to adjust the medicine assignment simply after the skin color is on a long-term basis hardly suited. Individual gene tests, which map fast and cheaply the hereditary property of the respective patients, would be more important. Such tests are promised again and again by the gene Tech industry: The Genomentzifferer Craig Venter announced last with the opening of a new Sequenzierzentrums, it wants to ensure that such a individual gene check is available in the future for only 1000 dollar. Today it costs still millions. On the basis of such analyses physicians could use up fitting medicines then to the individual gene profile. But whether it will really so far come in practice, it is questionable. At present anyhow the Pharmafirmen has only an extremely small interest to put millions into the development from medicines to which benefit at the end only some few humans. Medicine manufacturers do not often even offer today different medicines for adults and children, because they shrink from the costs of the aufwaendigen test rows. The dream of the individual medicine becomes, if at all, only for to realms fulfill - directly, to which race they belong.
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IVRT, This is the complete translation, it is tough to quickly read though. If you you take about 10-15 minutes to read it you can kind of get a grasp at what the author's saying. Its also interesting to get a German authors point of view when discussing Americans, notice how the author refer's to black and white Americans: "White One's" and "Black one's" LOL. I'm going to read it again to see what else I get out of it, I noticed the article making alot of reference's to how the ancestrybydna kit could cause social controversy.
http://derstandard.at/?id=1230935&sap=1
The Biotechfirma DNAPrint Genomics in Sarasota, Florida, took Friday committed 50. Anniversary of the discovery of the DNA structure to the cause to raise the price for one of their most in demand products: Its hereditary property analysis service Ancestry costs dollar (295 euro) instead of so far 160 now 319. The enclosing text informs the fact that ancestors of humans spread before 200,000 years over the earth and "justified races". Therefore one experiences "only with a view into the own genetic code", which race one actually embodies. The offer: "European, Ostasiaten, Suedasiaten, Afrikaner, Ureinwohner America." Who doesn't want to know, he belongs to which race? However, wenn's would go, please only not to the African. Because black ones, which Wissenschafter want to have proven, are whether their genes illness, also still more behandlungswiderspenstiger than white ones. In the darwinistischen sense anyhow not the "Fittesten". Remarkably at this particularly in the USA to normality genetic racingism become is meanwhile nearly already the cultural change in the argumentation and the acceptance of its theses. Attempts to sort ethnical groups scientifically came - in recent past - first from the geisteswissenschaft. Without success, as the last appropriate scandal showed: In the book The Bell Curve polemisieren the psychologist Richard gentleman stone and the sociologist Charles Murray, on the intelligence scale of mankind would stand for Asians and Jews completely above, black ones however completely down. Even if the genetics is assumed as a cause, nevertheless a soziooekologische reason is the center of attention. The protest was enormous. Now however the natural science forces the race illusion. Genetiker argue with results human of the Genome Project for the decoding of the human hereditary property and human the Genome Diversity Project, which sorts the human race mixture genetically. The necessary acceptance seems sudden to be in the population there. Why?
Welfare promise. . . There molecular biology putting ions of cancer patients, hereditarysuffering and other Siechen almost daily new welfare promises makes, may not be not wrong to all appearances realizations of Genetikern simply. Too much hope stands on the play. And few play-crude one keeps manipulativ with the cross in chess. The gene Gurus Craig Venter and Francis Collins spoke already with the presentation of the decoded human gene COM following of many as determinant of its faith outstanding Bible of the decoded "book of the life". In the holy writing of biology be located to gene for gene the secret of human existence. Thus obviously also the race characteristics readable therein must be part of this recent genetic revealing. Differently than after The Bell Curve remains the public proclamation whether the new race-genetic crusade today to a large extent out. Critics stress like the genetiker David Goldstein of the University college London that it does not give a scientific proof for a rassische demarcation. Make ever more physician with the politically correct equal treatment of white ones and black conclusion nevertheless. Race becomes diagnostic criterion, which orders therapies strike-color-dependently. The reason lies not least in relevant research results, which were published by specialized journals: Haemochromatosis, a hereditary iron memory illness, is unknown with Chinese and Indian, emerges however with Sweden. The deadly Tay Sachs illness is particularly common with in Europe and North America living Jew. Black ones are more susceptible to Sichelzellenanaemie - this hereditary disease spread in the southern Africa, because for it the responsible person offers defective gene protection from the malaria.
. . . and disservice "leaving we such differences consciously under the table to fall", argues genetiker Neil Risch of the Stanford University, "proves we to minorities in the long run a disservice." Critics fear, such the science already proved - above all to a Ethnie: According to further US studies black ones suffered six times more frequently than white ones at the blindly making eye disease Glaukom, reacted to antidepressives more slowly and showed by 40 per cent more side effects - why they should get also smaller doses -, with blood high pressure, would get frequent Prostatakrebs and black women exhibited a death rate higher around 350 per cent during or after a birth four times more frequently would briefly die than white. Such race-specific research served according to critics meanwhile also as explanation, why the life expectancy of black ones amounts to 70.2 years, those of white one 76,8. The fact that however US citizens do not get white skin color a worse medical supply than white ones, even if they earn just as much and is just as well insured, soziokulturelles Gelaber from yesterday seems to be to, today is hoerig one the biotechnology. The differences between Ethnien are infinitesimal: are alike to 99.9 per cent of the genes with all humans. Rassengenetiker argue however that accurately the remaining tenth per cent has greatest importance, finally differ humans from the schimpansen also only in 1,3 per cent of its hereditary property and are humans and ape completely different kinds nevertheless. This development is not surprising. Racingism in the science has tradition. Hippokrates about considered Asians weak intimate. And at present tinker genetiker at improved DNA analyses for the US judicial authorities. So that this on the basis genetic scene-pure still faster find out, belongs to which race of the authors. It appears interesting in this connection that 45 per cent of all passengers of US death cells black ones are, although these constitute only 13 per cent of the population.
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And it was not a small meeting!
http://www4.od.nih.gov/oba/SACGHS/meetings/June2003/transcript_June11.pdf
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Check out this transcipt from the SACGHS meeting in mid-June. If you scroll down to the bottom, one of your favorite companies is being discussed.
http://www4.od.nih.gov/oba/SACGHS/meetings/June2003/Presentations/Juengst_t.pdf
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seagull43, I think you have made it perfectly clear, again! DNAPhenomics is either stealing DNAprint property, or they have formed a relationship, and I highly doubt its the first assumption. Good job, I will no longer second guess the correlation. Thank You!
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W2P, there is alot more collaborating going on here than meets the eye.
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Looks like Shriver has at least one NHGRI grant through the NIH. Click on his name.
http://www.genome.gov/Pages/Hyperion/Grant_info/Grant_search/query.cgi?sort_key=principal_investigat...
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IVRT, the three year old article may have something to it, I'm still working on that. I will let you know if anything comes about. Also, were you able to translate any of the article on babelfish? I know, it was murder trying to understand it. Let me know.
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Also interesting
http://snp.cshl.org/allele_frequency_project/
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