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They're not into testes for electrodes. They like ears, per Fox.
Mlsoft, I opened today's mail and I'm so conflicted. I got a "Happy Holidays" card from a local merchant, signed Sid, Morty, and Vivian. I got a "Seasons Greetings" card from my attorneys, two Jews and an Italian guy. What should I do? Should I not shop there? Should I find a new law firm? Please help!
"The Washington Post reported on November 3, 2005 that the United States has used secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to illegally hold terrorist suspects without rights or access to counsel. Citing U.S. government concerns, the article did not identify the locations in Eastern Europe.
Further investigation is needed to determine the possible involvement of Poland and Romania in the extremely serious activities described in the Washington Post article. Arbitrary incommunicado detention is illegal under international law. It often acts as a foundation for torture and mistreatment of detainees. U.S. government officials, speaking anonymously to journalists in the past, have admitted that some secretly held detainees have been subjected to torture and other mistreatment, including waterboarding (immersing or smothering a detainee with water until he believes he is about to drown). Countries that allow secret detention programs to operate on their territory are complicit in the human rights abuses committed against detainees."
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/07/usint11995.htm
Now they'll vilify HRW, "anti-American."
Secret CIA Prisons Moved From Europe to North Africa
Barbara Ferguson, Arab News
WASHINGTON, 7 December 2005 — The United States held captured Al-Qaeda suspects at two secret CIA prisons in eastern Europe until last month when the facilities were shut down after media reports of their existence, ABC News reported Monday, citing current and former CIA agents.
Eleven Al-Qaeda prisoners who were held in Eastern Europe were relocated “to a CIA site somewhere in North Africa,” say reports, adding that the US scrambled to get all of the suspects off European soil before US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice arrived in Europe yesterday.
Germany, Hungary, Italy, Morocco, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Spain and Sweden have all been used as prison “transit camps.” The US has neither confirmed nor denied the existence of the secret prisons, as reported by the Washington Post last month.
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice defended US treatment of terrorism suspects before leaving for Europe, but would not respond to allegations that the CIA has run secret prisons in Eastern Europe. She insisted, however, that the US does not use torture.
The underlying question to all this remains: Why was this information of secret CIA prisons and flights leaked?
“Leaks usually happen for one of two reasons, either there is a deliberate effort to manipulate public opinion, so it’s done with the full sanction of the government authorities, or there is a fundamental policy disagreement on an issue, and those who think that the policy is wrong leak it,” said Larry Johnson, a former CIA intelligence officer and State Department Counter Terrorism officer. Johnson, who spoke to Arab News by telephone, said he believes the CIA officers involved with the secret prisons fear they may ultimately be held accountable for their actions.
“Valerie Plame’s leak is an example of the first kind; the CIA prison leak is an example of the second. Clearly some of those involved in this link are CIA officers who fear that they will ultimately be blamed as the master minds and implementers of this policy.
“The CIA does not set the policy. The president, the secretary of defense, and the vice president set the policy,” said Johnson. “The CIA implements the policy, but when they carry out a policy that runs afoul of international law, they feel vulnerable.”
The problem is accountability, he said. “Nobody in the White House or the Department of Defense, at a senior level, is being held responsible for these actions.”
Johnson said their vulnerability is not without reason: “The lesson of Abu Ghraib is: Don’t trust these guys to stand by their men.”
Recently the former commander of Abu Ghraib Prison in Iraq, Brig Gen Janis Karpinski was demoted. Nine junior US soldiers also have been charged in connection with the abuse at the prison in late 2003, and seven of them have already been convicted. The verdict came at the end of a hearing in Kaiserslautern, Germany.
Another top US commander at Abu Ghraib also was recently reprimanded and fined $8,000. The US Army found Col. Thomas Pappas guilty of two counts of dereliction of duty, including that of allowing dogs to be present during interrogations. Col Pappas was in charge of military intelligence at the prison near Baghdad.
Aside from the vulnerability of CIA officers, Johnson said what is going on in prisons there “is reprehensible.”
Asked to comment on reports that the CIA prisons in eastern Europe have been closed and moved to North Africa, Johnson slammed the secret detainee prison policy.
“Shifting these prisons to Africa is reprehensible. It is incumbent upon the CIA officers to determine through interrogation on whether a person has knowledge or is a mere foot soldier who got caught up in the battle. If we start saying all things are justified, it would be difficult for us to make the moral argument that we are somehow different from the former Soviet Union or Communist China.”
Copyright: Arab News © 2003
Human Rights Watch urges the United Nations and relevant
Human Rights Watch Statement on U.S. Secret Detention Facilities in Europe
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/07/usint11995.htm
European Union bodies to launch investigations to determine which countries have been or are being used by the United States for transiting and detaining incommunicado prisoners. The U.S. Congress should also convene hearings on the allegations and demand that the Bush administration account for secret detainees, explain the legal basis for their continued detention, and make arrangements to screen detainees to determine their legal status under domestic and international law. We welcome the decision by the Legal Affairs Committee of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe to examine the existence of U.S.-run detention centers in Council of Europe member states. We also urge the European Union, including the EU Counter-Terrorism Coordinator, to further investigate allegations and publish its findings.
Bush should start by defining the real reason for the war and work from there.
Brain,
Because someone opposes the policies of a certain nation does not mean they oppose the people of that nation. Political oposition is not necessarily an indication of deep seated bigotry.
I oppose the policies of the Bush administration, but I am not anti-American. Hardly. Many of us are anti-Putin but not anti-Russian. I don't think sorta is anti-American, or anti-semetic, or an Islamic fascist based on his/her opinion. I'm not "reading" that. On the contrary, yet he is subject to that rhetoric.
edit: The post must have been unclear. Others arrived at the same conclusion as you did.
"Do you really think the Islamic/arabs want to be left alone in peace??"
To clarify: I was referring to Israelis. There is a zealot minority in Isreal. The majority are moderate. The moderates are not preaching "greater Israel." They just want to be left in peace. War sucks.
It's late....
"most of what you profess here"
Huh? Could you be more specific? What did I profess here that you believe came from the Arab media? I thought I said that most Israelis, like most Americans, are not blood thirsty, political nuts. If you have a problem with that, say so.
easy, You done broke the code. Believe me, the DaVinci people have nothing on you. Write a book.
What views are you talking about?
edit: What's your point? I think the tent people from Brooklyn do believe in a greater Israel. Like the US and most everywhere else, political opinion is diverse in Israel. The fundamentalists do tend to believe in a Biblical Israel. They are a minority, but they have political clout. Most of them are from Brooklyn.
That's true, but you need to read. It's irresponsible and unjust to hang that kind of label on someone without knowing the facts. Ironically, Jewish groups came out early and strong in defense of Ratzinger as Hitler Youth. Read. The question has been asked and answered by many credible sources. FYI, Hitler killed 7000 priests during WWII. He feared organized religion. Becoming clergy was considered protest and, not unlike yourself, he feared a Vatican conspiracy. What else is new? That's not to say the Vatican's response to the Nazi movement was appropriate. It was not, but Hitler was paranoid.
Don't you want to know how many Jews live in my neighborhood????
Are you saying "everyone else" is blood thirsty warmongers? That's how some in the foreign media like to stereotype us, war hungry, sabber-rattlers, and cowboy fundamentalists.
Girl, you are woefully misinformed. But since that is one hell of a charge, I would suggest you do some research. The best research on that subject actually comes from Jewish sites. "Go figure!" Start there. Foxman's good. He'll give you links
No one loves Israel like the Christian Zionists. Christian fundamentalists are commanded to do so per the Bible just like Jewish fundamentalists are commanded to pursue a "greater Israel" per the Bible. Everyone else just wants to be left alone to live in peace. The Christian Zionist's love of Israel is like their love of Bush, absolute and unconditional. My dog loves me like that. It's a nice feeling.
They came darn close to a Jewish pope. I think they flipped a coin, Heads - Lustiger, Tails - Ratzinger. Imagine what the conspiracy theorists would have done with a that one? The nuts would be coming out of the woodwork. Foxman would have liked it.
Alex, I don't know what caused the buildings to collapse either, but I've never heard of a building collapsing (symetrically) due to fire. Fire is the explanation offered for WTC #7. I have heard of controlled demolition. WTC #7 went straight down. From videos I've seen, if it was a controlled demo, it was perfect.
Alex, WTC #7 really is beyond conspiracy theory. WTC #7 stood at least 300 feet away from WTC #1 and 2. What is the reason given for that complete collapse?
New York's porter union is large. It's members are subject to backround checks, including criminal backround checks. One porter with several years working experience was in the basement (or parking garage) during the chaos. The porter, familiar with the building, reported hearing explosions in that lower level.
Even if we discount everything as conspiracy theory, questions regarding WTC #7 remain. NYC has a large building/code enforcement department. If 7 were truly unstable enough to collapse when stressed, how did that instability escape detection by the Port Authority or NYC's building department?
What happened to WTC #7?
Porters also noted explosions in the basement of the WTC. The explanation for the controlled demo-like collapse of the 3 trade center buildings was that heat produced by burning jet fuel melted the steel frames of the buildings, and the building pancaked down. While that might have been what occurred on the floors on and around the the floors of impact, it doesn't account for the entire content of steel and concrete becoming powder. Nor does it explain what happened to building 7. The size of impact hole left in the Pentagon, and the lack of debris at the Pentagon and PA sites have never been adequately explained. It's unfortunate that given the administration's lack of credibility, all scenarios are possible. Regardless, the American Enterprise Institute got their war in Iraq.
PEACE ON EARTH, GOODWILL TO MEN
Yes, Virginia, there is a War on Christmas, but it's not the divisive, consumeristic war that Fox is blathering about.
Can we spread true peace at Christmas?
By Virginia Saldanha
http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/globalpers/gp121803.htm
I ask myself how we can use the Christmas event to bring peace and goodwill to our earth that is shaken each day by military bombings and retaliatory terrorist bomb blasts. A world where the powerful exploit the weak; a world where violence has become an accepted means of entertainment; a world where love means sex, peace is a word used in road maps that lead nowhere and goodwill (in my country) refers to the money paid as bribe. How do we recapture the beauty of these words and make them work to bring about the reign of God, where peace, love and justice flourish?
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Big, blow up Santas, huge parades, and credit card debt have absolutely nothing to with the true meaning of the Christmas holiday, nor does social or political divisiveness. In fact, those "values" are absolutely opposed to the true and traditional meaning of the Christmas.
My last post on the subject...
edit: "What they are seeking are additional "rights" designed just for them despite the fact that a large majority opposes it."
Are they seeking additional rights or the same rights as the majority? A large majority alway opposes the advancement of civil rights. ADA, IDEA, and the whole US civil rights movement are prime examples. Untimately, those issues are left to "activist" judges.
Marriage is two fold. The religious covenant between two people, and the civil contract between two people. A civil marriage is a legal contract with rights and responsibilities. Nothing more. I think gays take issue with civil marriage, and their being denied those rights and responsibilities based on sexual orientation.
That one will have to play out in the courts according to law.
"They, like I, merely want us to be able to celebrate Christmas without having to be politically correct by taking Christ out of Christmas and Christmas out of the public domain to appease the secular liberal left."
How is anyone infringing on your right or Fox's right to celebrate Christmas?
I'm not sure how "they" can take Christ out of Christmas, but putting Christ in the public domain is an aweful lot like "endorsement." That's unconstitutional.
You need to be careful what you wish for. Does anyone really want the government in the god business? They seem to have more than enough trouble simply governing.
So government doesn't "endorse." Department stores do whatever the hades they want, and you shop where ever you want.
Is this a great country or what?
I'll tell you one thing, if they don't start sayin Happy Easter at Kmart,
O'Reilly's gonna blow an artery on cable TV.
I heard Martha Stewart, former jail bird, is a secular humanist.
Gl, Looks like the Euros are launching their own investigation in the wake of the secret prison scandal. I put a lot more stock in their investigation than any US investigation. The European have been uttely maligned in the war effort. Bush could actually stand trial for war crimes based on their investigation.
NEOCON 101, I've signed up at the local community college. Seriously, someday we will study Neoconism in depth.
"the communists were very much our mortal enemies."
Nooooo? Who knew?
Mlsoft, who said they weren't?
Just as the communists were enemies, the term communist was often used to malign others in the political mudfest.
Today, we substitute "liberal" for "communist" or "socialist."
John Birch and Henry Ford would be proud of the culture wars trumped up today. Yesterday, the commies and Jews, today the secular humanists.
"blame the jews"
Because the Zionists are responsible for all evil in the world. Ever read Protocols? It's all one big Zionist conspiracy.
"who would they hate"
Secular humanists and liberals, of course. Very evil people.
Gays and feminists are rotten too.
It's not only Paraguay. It's the entire tri-border region. It's a lawless "wild west." Radical Islam is using the drug trade to finance jihad. The people are indeed very poor. Therefore, they are easy marks for recruitment into the jihadist's cause. The governments are accomodating as well.
Did Iraq pose a threat?
It's King Fahd's Wahhabism just south of our (very porous) border.
Not good for our national security.
Reforms try to cull hate from Islamic textbooks
Fear that Muslim children fed diet of intolerance Some school texts tie concept of jihad to violent actions
Dec. 3, 2005. 01:00 AM
BRIAN MURPHY
ASSOCIATED PRESS
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&a...
"the problems are real to the Christian community"
Which "Christian community" is that?
Other than the issue of the use of public property for religious expression or the department store thing, have your rights to celebrate the holiday ever been restricted?
Other than Donohue, I'm unaware of any Christian community that is terribly concerned about Walmart's Merry Christmas.
More "take back" rhetoric to rally the fanatics, and deflect attention from other rather serious concerns. Drumming up the "culture war" not unlike what they did with gays during the election.
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"The Christians are coming to retake their place in the public square, and the most natural battleground in this war is Christmas."
-- John Gibson, News Corp. (flake)
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"Santa is also borrowed from the Caucuses (sic), mistletoe from the Celts, yule log from the Goths, the time from the Visigoth and the tree from the worship of Baal. It is a wide wide world."
-- some obscure, now unemployed Walmart employee
Comments that sent Donahue (flake prone to hysteria, calling himself "Catholic League") into a complete tail-spin demanding that all of God's people boycott Walmart.
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But the War on Chistmas is as old as Henry Ford's, "The International Jew," 1921.
"The whole record of the Jewish opposition to Christmas, Easter and other Christian festivals, and their opposition to certain patriotic songs, shows the venom and directness of [their] attack."
-- Henry Ford
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To the far-right's credit, war on Christmas rhetoric is probably more effect today than ever before.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/21/christmas/index1.html
How the secular humanist grinch didn't steal Christmas
The right-wing crusade against the liberal "war on Christmas" is great for rallying the troops. Too bad the war doesn't exist.
By Michelle Goldberg
Pages 1 2 3
Nov. 21, 2005 | In 1959, the recently formed John Birch Society issued an urgent alert: Christmas was under attack. In a JBS pamphlet titled "There Goes Christmas?!" a writer named Hubert Kregeloh warned, "One of the techniques now being applied by the Reds to weaken the pillar of religion in our country is the drive to take Christ out of Christmas -- to denude the event of its religious meaning." The central front in this perfidious assault was American department stores, where the "Godless UN" was scheming to replace religious decorations with internationalist celebrations of universal brotherhood.
"The UN fanatics launched their assault on Christmas in 1958, but too late to get very far before the holy day was at hand," the pamphlet explained. "They are already busy, however, at this very moment, on efforts to poison the 1959 Christmas season with their high-pressure propaganda. What they now want to put over on the American people is simply this: Department stores throughout the country are to utilize UN symbols and emblems as Christmas decorations."
According to the JBS, this assault on yuletide iconography was "part of a much broader plan, not only to promote the UN, but to destroy all religious beliefs and customs." The pamphlet called on all Americans to fight back by informing department stores that those with improper ornamentation wouldn't be getting their business.
At the time, the campaign to save Christmas was not widely treated as a matter of great national import. The John Birch Society was generally regarded as a crank, far-right outfit whose paranoid conspiracy theories (it believed fluoridated water was part of an evil communist plot to poison America's brains) put it outside the pale of reasonable discourse. Staffers on the ultra-right 1964 Barry Goldwater campaign tried to prevent Birchers from volunteering because they carried the taint of extremism. The John Birch Society didn't have access to a major television network. But a lot has changed since then.
Last December, warnings about a war on Christmas -- a war whose central front was the nation's department stores -- once against emanated from the right, but this time, they were on national TV and talk radio. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly began running a regular segment called "Christmas Under Siege." "All over the country, Christmas is taking flak," O'Reilly declared on Dec. 7. "In Denver this past weekend, no religious floats were permitted in the holiday parade there. In New York City, Mayor [Michael] Bloomberg unveiled the 'holiday tree,' and no Christian Christmas symbols are allowed in the public schools. Federated Department Stores -- that's Macy's -- have done away with the Christmas greeting 'Merry Christmas.'" Instead, Macy's was using the malign phrase "Happy Holidays." Noting this, Pat Buchanan wrote, "What we are witnessing here are hate crimes against Christianity."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/11/21/christmas/
HAMAS, HIZBULLAH FIND HAVEN IN S. AMERICA
WASHINGTON [MENL] -- The United States asserts that two major Islamic insurgency groups now operate in South America.
U.S. officials said the Palestinian Hamas and the Iranian-backed Hizbullah movements have established operations in the so-called tri-border area. They said Hamas and Hizbullah use the frontier areas shared by Paraguay, Argentina, and Brazil as a haven for insurgency, counterfeiting and drug trafficking.
"The tri-border area of Paraguay, Argentina, and Brazil continues to be a haven for Islamic extremists," Asa Hutchinson, administrator of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, said. "The two major terrorist organizations in the tri-border area are Hizbullah and the Islamic Resistance movement known as Hamas. It is suspected that their illegal activities range from producing counterfeit U.S. currency to smuggling illegal substances through the tri-border area."
The DEA administrator told the House International Relations Committee that Hamas and Hizbullah operate undisturbed in the tri-border area. The official said the situation in that region "highlights the ease with which terrorist organizations can infiltrate and assimilate in other countries and go relatively undetected for an extended period of time."
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Saddam was a threat? To whom?
U.S. concerned about South America's terror fund-raising at tri-border smugglers' haven
Published: Monday, October 4, 2004
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By Kevin Gray
The Associated Press
CIUDAD DEL ESTE, Paraguay - In this gritty border town known as a haven for drug smugglers, arms dealers and counterfeiters, stacks of money change hands in the open on every corner and thousands of people each day stream across Friendship Bridge into Ciudad del Este.
They carry packages on their backs, in wheelbarrows or on carts, and border police stop few. Such chaotic scenes give life to the city's reputation of lawlessness and U.S. officials' description of the triborder
area where Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina meet as a key South American point for Islamic terrorist fund raising to the tune of $100 million a year.
Yet few arrests have been made or assets frozen, and local officials told The Associated Press they are ill-prepared to fully track financial movements and they discount terror links.
"We need more resources and greater controls," said Juan Carlos Duarte, a district attorney in Ciudad del Este who recently carried out several raids on currency exchange houses. "Frequently,
it's difficult for even the Paraguayan Central Bank to track these movements. To get to bottom of this we need more staff. We won't be able to solve anything without more help."
Paraguay, Latin America's second-poorest country after Bolivia, is in the
throes of a financial crisis that has left basics like computers for government offices hard to come by.
The raids carried out this spring are aimed, in part, at snuffing out illegal
transactions and helping investigators piece together a money trail used by drug runners and counterfeiters and other purported businesses operating in Ciudad del Este, Duarte said.
Dozens of exchange houses, some little more than one-room offices, crowd alleyways offering to send money as far away as Asia and the Middle East. On street corners, money-changers' fanny packs bulge with U.S. dollars, euros, Brazilian reals, Paraguayan guaranis and Argentina pesos. Store owners open cash tills brimming with bills.
Mega-mosque in your own backyard, brain. Now don't you feel safe with our military in Iraq?
Latin America's First Mega-Mosque Opens Eyes To Islam
By Chris Moss
Islam Online
http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/other/openseyes.html
That the land is in a prime residential
area can be taken as a signal from King Fahd and the Muslim community that
Islam wants a high profile even in countries where the vast majority of
the population is Roman Catholics and who view Islam as something rather
exotic and far removed.
The project, hatched in 1995, was strongly supported by then-President
Menem, who stepped down on December 10 last year. While the construction
costs, amounting to some $15 million, are being met by King Fahd, the
land, valued at $10 million, was donated by the Argentine government. As
the Islamic Center covers an area that would allow the construction of
four or five tower blocks, the actual value of the donation could be far
higher.
As well as the main mosque, which has a capacity for 1,000 faithful, the
complex will boast school buildings, art galleries, dormitories, a
cultural center, a sports field and a caf, as well as apartments for two
imams and its own underground car park.
Though there is already a mosque in the capital, as well as numerous
Islamic institutions in the interior, the King Fahd Center is a major
event for Argentine Muslims. Estimates put the community at some 700,000,
most of whom are descendants of Syrian and Lebanese immigrants who came to
Argentina from 1850 onwards. Anibal Bachir, secretary-general of the
Argentine Islamic Community, is optimistic about the new venture. "Arabs
are, after all, the third largest community in Argentina after Italians
and Spaniards, and we hope the Fahd Center will be a cultural meeting
place, a nexus between Islam and other beliefs. It may help to correct
certain errors about women, The Qur'an and other principles of Islam and
counter those sometimes propagated by the media, who tend to highlight the
extremists."
I once heard it said that in a nuclear world the enemy is war.