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Norton, I know and was trying to prepare many. We have not but seen the tip of the iceberg, sincerely.
You think of your family and ways to keep your money and know many of these stocks are done and as for pennies, grab them if you have ANY profit and run to the next one and don't look back.
Webby, excellent.eom
There will be a buying opportunity in stock before it is time to buy into oil again. Of course emerging markets, asia and gas with other types of commodities. Gold buying will be on the next fall of the oil rise coming.
Yes this is true but we see a better opportunity in oil if you wait, sincerely!
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The lowest low overall is as said prior 3800 and a highest low of 5000. As to this year I haven't a clue.
Norton, oil will move upward then bust, but Gold should be safe longer but that will also bust too, but much later, rake in the gold money until then. Any changes I will always let you know if I have advanced notice.
Good post, we feel oil is next then gold. The target could be higher than $110 per barrel before it settles back to $60-$80 per barrel.
I still don't understand the dinar(s) as you write so I'll just wait this out. I disagree but that is because my opinion over shadows my knowledge within that area. Other areas I'm sharp at but others don't understand me. The dinar, well, I just shake my head since I see far too many in the market to ever be worth what I would call anything close to $.05 USD per dinar with out doing away with at least 25-30 trillion more dinar and to me they would need to burn it not store it somewheres.
The demographic s curve and others show that the collpase would happen. How in the world do you thing we knew the recession/depression would happen 6 years before anyone knew about this. In my earlier Aliases I explain all this. Sure none of the other things that happened is good as it worsenes things. Also worth mentioning we discussed the possibility that various other knew of this and might capitalize upon it. Our job now is to learn how to work around what is to come.
Now the credit crunch no one knew about but the demographics called for a depression anyways! and in the timing I had always dicussed.
California as said prior had very little reserve funds for their pension and health care plans. What is even worse is the medical for retirees on top of this. I can show you status sheets from 2006-2007 of all states regarding pension plans ans saved money for that, saved funds for state workers along with health care benefits to be owed.
Some have seen my posts prior....
North Carolina
Georgia
Florida
...are the best states to retire from simply because they were able to keep and build their obligations and future considerations instead of diping into every year until they can no longer pay.
I can check the backgroud of these states but believe Tenneesse or Kentucky is in the worse shape of all them.
Yes indeed I don't like tea either make sure we don't throw any coffee over this time around.
Strong, alot of times I will address my friends then go into my thing and expand on or try then I will like at the post and wonder firstly what the heck does it now mean and how will you take it verses other readers, so that is why I question myself plus I'm not good at this and I have tried for many years.
Absolutely but to inflate mean we must deflate and that which I talk is far more pain than anything we have ever seen.
Good discussions and glad to hear from you. I say this because this message thread seems to be picking up more good and concerned people and new discussion depending upon how far we are permitted to talk out of subject bt the moderators.
Now at this minute I speak for myself and my closest friend just agrues this point with me. I truely believe it is my own fault for signing on a dotted line in buying a house regardless. If bankers allow a person a new home what are they thinking? yes more money but the buyer is so shittless happy they are blinded of many things. We have too much government to begin with and yes god things on each party as well as bad. I am now an indepentent voter class as I am discussed with it all.
As for someone telling the truth I would strongly believe people that post here are indeed stating what they believe as well as others, at least you would hope for that, I do!
As I had said over 20 plus years ago about free enterprise and everyone just looked at me like I was crazy. My statement was clear "Free enterprise without a standards will only hurt us and the world in general".
Now as to investments. Is it not true if you were making $500k to $2 million plus in stocks each year that you would not look back? Well that is what many are doing and many are giving billions in studies mind you it could be that the only reason is for tax purposes.
As far as I'm concerned Bill Gates is mainly responsibile for holding our economy up as high as it once was mind you that regardless what anyone sells you must have buyers. Now the buyers age has much to do with everything from a kid yanking on mommies skirt to buy sugar pops :) I like both myself!!! and of course the older baby boomers trying to make there last dollars to position themselves prior retirement. Baby boomers 99 market, baby boomers tossing housing and baby boomers colapsing on housing and way too far extended, in some cases or many I really don't know however, with this and on this has a terrible affect on a new younger family struggling to begin with who want the once American dream and ends up watching everything collapse around them sincerely sees real death and some do so without seeing any hope.
Good discussions yet not enough.
Way above this is demographics, it is the study of people and what they buy at what age what they do through life and the various age groups. What I have telling people for the past 6-7 years that the largest groups are now retiring which are the baby boomers this will strike in 2010 this alone will be devastating. Some argue that they will not retire but understand they will only be packing money away not spending it as we did plus this will hold the younger generation down so this doesn't solve one problem. With us baby boomers was the driving force in spending and we spent like no tomorrow. We are done and with the loses as such in the past some will keep working enough to screw up the next generation. Yes our kids are the echo boomers by name but just not large enough to offset all the massive lose of tax money and millions of business. Now health care will become very very huge and of course the cost will be beyond stagering with less and less people paying taxes. This is the route and has been known for years yet people just don't catch on for some reason. As I said yesterday and every other month, why do you thing Russia is paying householdes to crank out the babies. Their demographics are going to be so low they won't have enough tax money for any type of growth at all. Most of this is easy for me and that is because of my long studies with this stuff but there are reasons for much of this if people just listen and ways around the panic if again people listen. Without the Iraq war, credit crunch etc we would face hell between 2010-12 and still go into a depression, now this is powerful and I'm done harping on this as I have posted this enough times. People just ned to work their plan around all this if they can this is why we gather information to try and flex around the storms if we can instead of being blind and instead of panicing. If there is nothin much a youcng couple can do one thing is not buy a new home right now simply because I gave out the information that you will lose 50% of the value you just bought this at. You want to buy sometime and I don't have the exact timing yet but should be bween 2011-12 depending and I say I don't know the timing yet.
Strong, just because this looks like I'm directing this to you it is general talk and of course nothing personal which you know but perhaps someone else might not know.
I'll be right back let me pop another Lexapro : )
Strong, on here account I hope you are able to make moves during the year if you wish. If you move it too much the company may say you can't no longer make any more moves in that case tell them you are not stupid that you know all they need to do is get off thier ass and reset you ability to make moves again. At any rate study of the various areas you can move to as you may end up placing everything in a holding cell, in short a fixed zero rate of return but guarantee that it can't shrink regardless of what is happening around you. That is exactly what I did in June of 2007 and of course cashed that in when I parted. So in alot of these funds either age or separation may only give a person full control but at least being able to know they can reset the account on your moves and to also place in in a non interest account so if the entire world falls in on you, you know prior that you will be ok...that is unless bankruptcy happen too. People can only get hit so many time until it becomes impossible to get up again due to age. I enjoy helping a few if nothing else.
Strong to understand deflation in how it fixes things we go back to 1929 that senario is what Obama is trying to stop because of the massive pain. It is also Obama's job to try and stop it, honestly. Now the fix is clear it isn't my idea it is the facts, bubbles inflate and in order to correct this it must totally deflate creating a new base that would parelle the 1930-1960 all over where a dollar was a dollar but to get there is more painful than I could say in words by just typing. So that is it but just maybe (and my guys say NOPE) that Obama might succeed but down deep I know better but the massive pain will remove money in accounts more than 1/2 of the businesses will fail and as I tried to say last night the rest of the world one way or another will make sure we don't fail becuse of our busess reach and high comsumption rates from US buyers. They need us just as bad, I hope people are grasping how bad this will become.
This is why I said those who have savings in stock, 401k certain IRA'S they they and you know who you are have lost any money you will now lose it all!!! Only those with protected by liquidated funds will survive this. This is why I have been trying to help people for the last 5-6 years. All that has happen was already said we watched everything happen and you know only two people listen to me the rest felt to bad to face me after they lost their money or didn't sell their home in time or didn't listen as to right NOW right now do NOT buy a home!
Commodies choice such as oil is still good and gold is ok right now. Things will shift after the oil bust to a short time to hold gold then people must dump it. On the oil and gold I do not have a good time line and may never since people missing with commodies should know what they are doin to start with.
Lately I have been hanging onto the computer 24/7 looking at a blank screen to keep me busy while I regroup and figure out my plans around our home.
Just got home from dental work, now what did you say :)
In 2011-2012 people will be able to buy highend boats, cars, and homes for about 50%-55% less than they are now. It will be a buy opportunity for those who have liquidated assets.
I honestly know how it must be fixed but what you are going through right now will be far worse in time and time only means in the next 2 years. We inflate bubbles they must deflate and can not do anything else. We can not keep patching our bubles as we must deflate sooner or later as we are at the end of the bubbles with the exception of 2 more. First we will have 1 more commodies as to oil and then gold. Many are going to get hurt due to the natural attraction to these commodities. The timing will be so curcial and I can not gauge that timing. After that and it will take time but will know this is not some ordinary recession and then sooner or later the nasty word will finally be used (depression) or perhaps they will deny that word to try and steer away from panic. Well it is pain to see that when was the last time we borrowed 1 trillion dollars to fix our system or should I say try. The new stimulus package will not be able to bridge this nasty happening but rather move it further away in time but no further that 2013 at most. We feel that it will still be no later than 2012, however everything changes and is why I can't call the move on oli or gold. Oil should move down a little bit more with recent happenings then move up again.
As you and have read from these post that other countries benefit from helping us not fail but the nasty debt we have with China may someday call our bluff. China has been able to move their selves, move their entire structure to basically fit we have not. Now the medical due to older people will cause massive damage to their system and also here in the USA we will be going into that nasty arena too, where will the money come from to fix this there is none and I mean none. We can't keep on borrowing we are near an end!
Crowin, you must be in association with bulldog. Maybe they will make some type of payment or you guys may have already placed leins on the company even though it is new it still would carry the burden and asetts of the old company in my thoughts. If the new company wishes to move forward they will need to clean up the past mess that was created.
There will be better days so don't dump this. You do know the minute you dump this what will happen? Also you have been here on this board 3 years and 4 months with only 879 posts? This should tell us not many know about this stock or perhaps they know something and we don't ; )
Actually we know something and the rest of the world still needs to learn, they will I mean look at the technology it is very, very hard to understand and see how this would pay off but we have so just hold on a wait this out.
He probably wishes he could. Their problems are much deeper than the US but will take longer to affect them. When something happens here in the USA due to all our business and manufacturing deals and requests the world will feel this too. As for Russia their demographics will take them under, totally, this is why Purtin is paying out massive money to their citizens to produce as many kids as they can. so in 16-22 years they can become strong again, is their hopes.
I know it is hard for you to understand that I know many things yet nothing but can assure the USA doesn't know yet what a depression is like as they fought off even entertaining that we where in a recession alone. The devastation out come will take the USA down to our knees yet we will survive by way of deep embarrassment by way of China. One of the reasons this is so bad is the fact that we use up the world resources in more ways than one. Russia will be the worsed hit and yes Europe will fall and not fall hard until the USA starts to come out of this around 2013 maybe sooner maybe a little longer but the recovery period while Europe is failing will be from 2013-2018-23.
All this is a nasty subject and thank GOD my aliase will change soon as I have already postered everything people should know to servive. The republicans already know this stimulus plan will fail as my economist but I personally worry about this one world order creeping in that you maybe referring to in a round about way.
I had a very close friend from Germany years ago named "Techseeker" and often wonder where and how he is.
You can't but thoses who listen and my aliase will expire soon.eom
Strong do you mean the 1 Euro is worth $1.27 USD?
What was the hightest the Euro has gone in reference to our dollar. I know you watch that area and more so now that you are playing with the forex, I just might dab in that later? I am getting older and don't move or think as fast any more :)
Wayne, I checked Iraqs banking system with what the CBI had to offer as to names and addresses. As you had probably seen as myself like a years ago or so they now list 7 state run banking systems, 21 private banking systems, 4 Foreign banking systems and 7 Islamic. I would think that the State run banking systems might be their avenue and first political push rather then the private banks, yet the private systems would allow, or might, a whole lot of business leverage for competition in my thoughts. As for the Foreign banks I just am not sure, and forget about that last banking system mentioned!
I want people to understand just how powerful and influential our economy and dollar has on most of the world. With our economy worsening (and it will survive, I guarantee it) There is a strong possibility that the Euro will collapse before your eyes. You must understand the massive dynamics of currency world money and of course politics world wide.
Please leave this post here until everyone has a chance to view it or copy it....and NOPE! about the Euro possibly collapsing that is exactly what I stated. Of course the USA will take one hellva hit but people must also understand the power of our business and influences worldwide. Some many things are placed with the backing of the USA it is just unreal.
I really must say Rascia has found some weblinks that bring alot of REAL growth and future growth from within Iraq. I hope many here enjoy it as I have.
Here is a quick link so you can just get to his post quicker
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=35631844
I wonder if the actual web link is good enough to be placed within the IBOX, and not get lost or perhaps not?
Excellent post.eom
Rasica, sounds great but Iraq has a lot of money they must destory not just buy back and hold. I never seen anything about Iraq burning the returned money as they have with burning Saddam's currency. No doubt if one should paraelle all the currency issued no verses in the Saddam times they will need to have just as many furances burning yet we haven't heard anything about this yet. See if you can dig up any information about this as it is plain to see more currency exists now without any doubt at all so burning it would make massive news when considering the amount of currency and denominations back then verses now. I would think the USA holders alone are holding far more than what was burned in the ovens prior the present new currency.
Things like the MO M1 or M2 do mean something but I must say I'm not up on all of this just would like to hear something from Iraq that this money is being burnt and not held privately by any part or parties since Iraq also has so many private banks. The "Warka" is a private bank too.
Hey PKripper, nice to see a few other interest and have knowledge of the future. It seem many may know how to make money but as I had said long ago most do not know how to keep it. As to inflation it would appear that there will be some but hyper said be far out of the question in time people will see why, you have a good day, Bob
Isn't that something : ) We of course like that but venture in another area of that.
Norton, accordingly I heard a possible 10,000 in April-July, short lived stimulus package to fail early next year.
About gold, gold in general has always been exciting to me regardless to price and of course we know sooner or later the value seems to move up without thought. General speaking in viewing gold coupled with our economy (and of course we will move up and down and all around???) anyways we will be moving into strong deflation and although I would buy gold day in a day out simply because I love the metal and it's beauty I would be cautious when to actually buy verses other priorities. Gold is generally used as a hedge for inflation. Does anyone recall me stating although hard to believe that inflation especially super inflation can not happen under our circumstances with our economy mind you I have my own personal thoughts that do not agree with my economists so don't feel alone I mean we have always seen gold fly during hard times but what we have is much different than prior years and most haven't a clue due to the fact they have just been living life as always and only relate back in time of something close to what has happened, FOLKS, NEVER HAS THIS HAPPENED PRIOR this is why many rules of thumb fly out the door and also why the the stimulus package wil fail.
at any rate I too love gold but be careful! and be careful on any move you make. This is all new territory regardless which economist we listen to.
So know that buying gold is a complexed issue but generally it is bought to hedge inflation.
You two have fun, you have apid the price of admission and of course hope everything works out with those accounts. At present you look good.
Norton, you are the exception to th rule and I would almost bet actually would that you are better positioned than me.
Yes the Stimulus package did pass and probably as talked about and prior to 2010 it will look like his plan is working and then it will twist.
It would be nice to see the market stablize for a while no doubt and it will in time. I just want everyone to be positioned for the deep deflation as it won't be a good feeling to see your house value get slashed another 40%-50% in the years coming or have our stocks take a cut adjustment much further than we have dreamed. Liquid funds are the only safety net and this is hard to complete depending upon where and in what structure one's money is in.
Norton I don't know if I wrote anything back to you yet but doing the day trading is fine what the problem are are accounts maybe 401k and others that are left to get hit witha deflation factor/adjustment be government, yes I do have 1 account a huge one that could be considered liquid but if it is not that I can loss (over night) so you know I will be asking questions. From my understanding that my accounts are safe from depression which would bring the automatic deflation factor. You heard me I said I'm under the understanding, what happens if my understanding isn't as I think? I mean I know what is going to happen to these accounts if they are accessible to deflation so my butt will be approaching my professionals that said so back when as I want some real reassurance not bs as once it hits my account I may as well kiss it good bye since we are too old to start over. I also enjoy my life as it is so the moral of all this is to ask questions and get some guarantees about various economic senarios, I do and will even ask more questions as I know better than to think someone that holds my money could be interested in me they are interested in themselves, period! very few are up to the task finacial and moral task!
No the baby boomer impact inwhich I had though started doesn't coming into play until 2010 so from the economic news it would appear 2012 to be our worst year with what we may see as a recovery to be 2018-2021-2023. Please take note that what we have see on the Dow around 2020-2025 will not be anything close to 15000 mabe not even 10k but I don't have any news/feed back on that yet, as it once was. We won't be able to do so and the reasons are clear. The US will never again reach the demographic out put of workforcejust to begin with. What I am saying is this. Without the credit crunch or boom bust we had reached the top of our demographic curvre in every factor including the heavyweights baby boomers. We are now in a no spend or spend less and that will only trend more and more towards saving and not spending also retiring more and more will be 10,000 per day in 2010. Now other say well many boomers were reiuned in the financial collapse of 2001 and of course recently. Yes this is true but what people do not understand is this. either baby boomers continue to work and most young people will never even begin working so either the boomers must retire to make wake with existing just and of course a few new jobs or someone doesn't work and unemployment rises ever more.
Now I do not wish to argue with any one as I have for 5-7 years and all of those people now know I am correct, not correct egotistically as I wish to help people not win the fame that I sincerely once had, I like being an old man now days so believe me I won't argue but if those who would like to do so could talk with all of the past people who have argued with no they would say hey he is right don't even g there!
Now with all this said do know that we hope ths changes and that Obama can do so but with the present plan it won't work as the absorbtion of 1 trillion dollars placed would absorb way to quickly and the governments plan is far too slow. We hope so also know just because things may or must happen that elements and other factors might changes things or delay things. Of course Obamas plan will just delay this harsh impact but the answer has far too much pain, pure deflation is the answer but the across the board losses are very high!