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Point & Figure Charting by Tom Dorsey
Also,
Stockcharts has a tutorial. I would recommend peoplemarking a guy named "Atin" on SI he wrote the stockcharts P&F stuff.
Hello Bigjoe,
Welcome to the thread.
Couldn't get your link to come up.
Judy left SI. If you look in her profile, you can figure out why by the last public post she made.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/profile.gsp?id=136349
There are buy and sell signals, but entry points are pretty subjective.
bullish support line and bearish resistance line. They are specific to P&F charts. Stockcharts gives the option to go with these trendlines, which will often (but not always) correspond with major MA like the 50/200, or to go with user set MAs.
zena,
long time.....
Hope all is well...
Gonna hang out and see what happens with iHub. I think that, if they have increased traffic, that they will forced to make some changes as a matter of course.
They have some UI and policy issues that really need to get resolved before I feel comfortable pulling up stakes completely.
JXM
yes, I will often switch between the normal P&F BSL/BRL and the 10/20 MAs
I bought QCOM and CSCO today. Got QCOM at 51, sold 1/2 at 58 1/2.
If we don't get a rate cut, we will sell off....almost guaranteed.
I wasn't feeling confident enough to go with nekkid puts today. I should have.
DJIA 200pt chart....support at 10300 (on the 100pt chart.)
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=$INDU&Y=U&B=200&E=on&N=A&T=on
10200 on DJIA would suggest more downside. 9800 would be next target
Naz 75pt chart...my target is the late 99 breakouts at 2025 and if that doesn't hold 1800.
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=$COMPQ&Y=U&B=75&E=on&N=A&T=on
If these targets get hit, I expect it to be early next week. John Pitera on SI is saying that the futures are suggesting that another 50bps rate cut is coming on the March 20 fed meeting.
VIX getting pretty high...good time to be selling puts???
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=$VIX&N=A&T=on
If we get a bounce in here, I may raise my overall target.
Tonyeight,
Please post the link to the message where I bashed SEVU.
FG, I will assume that you will delete tonyeight's post since I have not bashed SEVU once and his post stating such is a lie and a personal attack.
JXM
Why not have one of the SEVU bears be the director? That would provide some balance to the thread.
Hi Toscano,
Thanks for dropping by. I haven't unpacked the boxes yet. Poet is renting a couple of studio apartments in some different areas.
JXM
Because I wanted to. (post to A@P).
My record for being a critic of A@P is well known on SI. You should not assume that I am biased or in any way involved with him.
Good luck with your endeavor.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50924
First, I am a he.
The subject may be SEVU, but when the chairman of the thread attacks people for asking questions (printmail - Reg S) and makes personal attacks himself and deletes posts that don't violated the user's agreement and applies different standards to himself and those who disagree with him, when the bias is so strong in one direction, it can make one wonder if there is a connection between the stock and the person.
I believe the Format works reasonably well and that there is a definite need for a "Haven of Peace" for Posters prepared to behave as Gentlemen and Ladies...
You have not acted as a gentleman to the people who disagree with your bias. The reason that you like iHub is very apparent. It caters to your agenda.
But I will leave you and the thread in peace (as long as you don't feel the need to respond to this). I have no doubt that the management will continue to meet your needs and not be interested in meeting mine.
First, I am a he.
The subject may be SEVU, but when the chairman of the thread attacks people for asking questions (printmail - Reg S) and makes personal attacks himself and deletes posts that don't violated the user's agreement and applies different standards to himself and those who disagree with him, when the bias is so strong in one direction, it can make one wonder if there is a connection between the stock and the person.
I believe the Format works reasonably well and that there is a definite need for a "Haven of Peace" for Posters prepared to behave as Gentlemen and Ladies...
You have not acted as a gentleman to the people who disagree with your bias. The reason that you like iHub is very apparent. It caters to your agenda.
But I will leave you and the thread in peace (as long as you don't feel the need to respond to this). I have no doubt that the management will continue to meet your needs and not be interested in meeting mine.
Hi Matt,
Just wanted to post these to you to show again that not everyone thinks they are getting a fair shake from the Chairman of the SEVU board. From what I have seen, there seems to be a double standard for the SEVU longs and the SEVU critics.
I really think that you ought to look at the possibility of changing your policy on having only a single thread per stock. This would make all of my arguments moot as someone who is dissatisfied with a chairman could activate a new board and would no longer have a complaint that they are being silenced.
When you have larger numbers of people come over here, this will show up as an issue for normal trading stocks as well. You will have the QCOM LTB&H types and QCOM traders and having them on the same thread will not be a productive discourse. And the prediliction of the chairman will win out so that one side is silenced while the other has a voice.
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Posted by: Crookk (GSP)
In reply to: PB96 who wrote msg# 5922 Date: 2/22/2001 3:58:17 PM (ET)
Post # of 5936
PB96 I asked FG the same question and he deleted my post... he likes to delete my posts it seems.. and then claims i am attacking him personally when i question something he says.. Im tired of it all.. and tired of a thred where as a person who questions a company and a known pump... as he has proven with his past posts all over raging bull.. you will be ddeleted .. this is not even fair.. post positive comments or lies about sevu or get deleted it seems..I want the answer to your question whcih i asked myself... IMHO!
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Posted by: Crookk (GSP)
In reply to: HWGC who wrote msg# 5932 Date: 2/22/2001 4:19:07 PM (ET)
Post # of 5936
HWGC..I am tired of a thread which cannot discuss both sides of an issue... thats what i am tired of.. i have the same right to find out the bad of a company and the problems as the good.. there has been alot of bad here, in SEVU because of lies and false projections which never occured.. but it seems unless i post only the good and false and guess posts..i get deleted or others do... Dont give me your crap ..im tired of it.. i want the hear everything about the compnay not being forced to abide by dictatorship in rules and non fair, uncomplying chairman and direcors who do not follow their own rules... FG said he has proof to back his claim of SIBOB as he bashed him.. but he wouldent supply the proof... I say the same as he says.. Put up or dont post.
Actually, I meant 2000 as a target, but we may be looking at 1800 from that chart.
SH,
I asked Matt if he wanted me to leave, he said no. I am looking for a place to land that is not SI. But I don't want to land in a place that does not allow a free flow of information on stocks. The mechanisms that iHub has in place actively discourage the free flow of information. And it is most evident on this thread.
JXM
We broke key support on the naz today. I think we get a bounce before too long and then work our way down to 2175ish. Basically near the breakout levels from Dec99
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=$COMPQ&Y=U&B=75&E=on&N=B&T=on
Cool!
The Box is Open on the hub!
We broke some key support today. 2251 was the last bastion of support.....2200, next stop????
http://www.stockcharts.com/webcgi/Pnf.asp?S=$COMPQ&Y=U&B=75&E=on&N=B&T=on
Hi Poet,
I'll go find your thread and harass the locals
I would not dispute that A@P is very likely biased. Are you saying that you are not biased?
Why is A@P's word not good enough and yours is?
You presented as evidence conversations that you have had with no link, why do you require it from others?
Good start....
But I think that you are going to back yourself into a corner on this one. Any thread that has that many deletions in one day, and it is only the posts that are opposing the views held by the chairman of the thread, it should send a message to you.
You have a hard job ahead of you. If the traffic picks up on this site I can foresee a very busy IH Admin Matt
Matt,
I read this message before it was deleted by the chairman of the SEVU board. I would like to hear your defense of this deletion.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50554
I have over 24000 posts on SI. A few of them are even about stocks. I just want to make sure that the next board that I land on has the same high standards as SI had in the first few years of its existence.
Here is another one by Francois. Notice that he demands proof from printmail even though Printmail has only asked questions? And Francois shows bias here again. And offers as proof that he talked to somebody and he trusts him...LOL!!!! Why don't the standards that he applies to others apply to himself???
Do you really want to use this guy as an example of a good moderator?
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Posted by: Francois+Goelo
In reply to: printmail01 who wrote msg# 5854 Date: 2/21/2001 10:14:46 PM (ET)
Post # of 5862
Printmail, we discuss matters CIVILLY on iHUB....
and I know your slant from reading some of your posts on RB... I'll discuss "REG S" shares with you when you bring me ABSOLUTE PROOF that they have been issued by SEVU... In the meantime I don't see the point talking about "ifs" and "buts", with the unstated aim of causing concern and fear among investors...
All I can tell you is that I met McBride on 3 occasions and that I brought up the "REG S" question... His answer was a categorical "NO" and I believed him because the man is certainly not a fool... Issuing this type of shares is a sure way to find your stock in the gutter, since they're usually substantially discounted and can be resold after 30 to 60 days...
Volume till the Shorting began was very light and the stock price stable between $8.00 and $12.00, or so, certainly no indication of cheap shares entering the Market... Once the shorting started and the Market tanked, nobody would buy "REG S" if they were available, so that's why I don't buy the story....
JMHO, F. Goelo + + +
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Posted by: printmail01
In reply to: Francois+Goelo who wrote msg# 5851 Date: 2/21/2001 9:32:01 PM (ET)
Post # of 5863
WOOOOO FG..
First, I was hoping that IHUB would offer me a better platform to speak my opinions and ask questions without the annoyance of always being bashed.
I have no proof that REG S shares have been issued, I dont think I said I had facts they had been issued? I was simply posing a question my friend
Is it true that REG S shares can be sold to oversea's investors without SEC filings? simple question?
Is it true that , IF, REG S shares have been issued SEVU would not have to legally report these shares to the SEC or its shareholders until sais shares were sold on the open market
FG, I would also like your opinion of additional shares being issued in the 4th qtr 2000? meaning: Is it your opinion that extra shares were issued?
Again, I am looking for some information on REG S shares in particular & the dilution issue.
yes, I am reading some of FG's stuff right now. I am not impressed. Your guidelines of having to be be something that can be linked to on the internet is absurd. Especially when we are talking about OTC:BB stocks.
Read FG's response to printmail. Tell me if you don't think that there is a little intimidation going on here.
If this dude is your poster boy for good moderation......well, I can see that I will have some fun.
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Posted by: Francois+Goelo
In reply to: printmail01 who wrote msg# 5843 Date: 2/21/2001 9:29:12 PM (ET)
Post # of 5858
Printmail, substantiate your "REG S" allegations...
or refrain from using potentially Libelous Statements on iHUB... Nothing indicates that "REG S" shares have ever been issued by SEVU and as far as I am concerned and until proven wrong, I believe that it's a False Statement spread by the Shorters to further their own ends...
All issuance of shares have to be reported in SEC Filings...
The outstanding number of shares is shown in the Thread's Header, as per last 10Q Filing: approx. 15.5 Million shares...
JMHO, F. Goelo + + +
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Posted by: printmail01
Date: 2/21/2001 8:58:11 PM (ET)
Post # of 5860
Dilution, Outstanding shares, REG S Shares
please give me your opinion on the following. Message Boards are about opinions, differing opinions, please I would appreciate the view from a long or short.
I assume you all have read the 10q's ?
How many shares are outstanding as of 3rd qtr? (easy one?)
What is the boards position on dilution in 4th qtr 2000? meaning, How many issued shares do you think the brokers are willing to deal with & how many shares do you estimate were issued in 4th qtr?
Not the 1,000,000 restricted to McB.
Now the one I personally am struggling with. Restricted shares sold overseas? Is it true investors may never know how many shares have been sold oversea's? Till they register & sell in loads some day?
I know some of this is subjective, I am looking for answers & opinions on dillution & restricted foreign shares!
Please advise?
Those are the initials of my alias on SI. Jorj X McKie
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/profile.gsp?id=1001391
The real test of the quality of a thread moderator is their ability to be a successful moderator without employing the use of moderation features (banning, deleting posts). And I don't know if you can really judge how well a thread is being moderated when it is a bunch of people who agree with each other (except for the guys who have had their posts deleted).
Unfortunately, I can't objectively evaluate whether or not those posts were justifiably deleted because I can't see them. Perhaps you should have a policy where the chairman has to cite the specific rule that is being broken when they delete the message so that the person can remedy the offending portion of the post so that the whole message is not lost.
Well, I was hoping to move on over, but I guess I will have to watch you in action for a little while before I make the move. Though, I am not sure how I am going to do that.
I guess thatIn my copious amounts of spare time, I can look into something that I think is being hyped and post messages there. I am pretty good at keeping within rules when I want to, so we shall see.
Are you satisfied that this person's posts were deleted for cause?
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50460
Love your name!!!
Smooch!!!!
Apparently not everybody believes that they are being given fair treatment.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50441
and you say that it has been working well for awhile....that is understandable. It is when you have some real dissenting views when your policies will be put into a crucible. You won't see conflict until you have some real traffic here. If my challenge of the rules is the first you have come across, I suspect that you may be in for a surprise into what this is going to entail.
Good luck on your endeavor.
It wasn't a dead link when it was deleted. And I am not jumping up and down, I am very calm as a matter of fact. But your characterization of my posts belies a bias.
And you are missing the point that I am making. I don't want to have to rely on the fairness of the chairman or whether or not the Admin is unbiased or not. If you allowed more than one thread to exist for a given stock, then we can be assured that an unbiased voice is heard.
In order for us to know that we are getting unbiased moderation by the chairman, we need to know that the person(s) who are monitoring them are unbiased.
Are you unbiased with all members and all stocks?
If you ask me to leave iHub, I will.
Do you hold a position in SEVU?
Every system needs to be fine tuned. Your policy of only having one thread per stock is not a good one. I think that you need to be realistic about the perception of conflict of interest between the site management and other members or stocks. If your policies leave question marks about the credibility and integrity of the site, you will never be able to make the jump from a place to talk about OTC:BB stocks to a place for general market discussion with a large member base...and more importantly, profitability. I am assuming that you want this site to become a going concern that makes money and survives for the long term. If not, please let me know so that I don't pull up stakes at SI and move over here.
My latest post on the SEVU thread.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50410
What? you think that saying that it isn't a personal attack means that it isn't? Wrong!!!
If I said "At first sight, you sound like an a$$h*l*, but I could be wrong and it's not a personal attack...." Would you say that it is a personal attack? Notice that I only changed one word.
I will address your issue. At least at SI if I was moderated off of a thread, I could create my own on the same subject and have my voice heard.
So far, on this thread, I have had one post deleted that didn't violate any user agreement and have been personally attacked by the chairman.
This is why iHub's model is flawed. I know that I can't come to this thread and be treated fairly. And there appears to be an existing relationship/cyberfriendship of some sort between you and the management here. How can I trust that the people who are regulating the chairman's are unbiased?
And now the thread that I created has been deleted, so I do not have an alternate place to have my voice heard.
JXM
What? you think that saying that it isn't a personal attack means that it isn't? Wrong!!!
If I said "At first sight, you sound like an a$$h*l*, but I could be wrong and it's not a personal attack...." Would you say that it is a personal attack? Notice that I only changed one word.
I will address your issue. At least at SI if I was moderated off of a thread, I could create my own on the same subject and have my voice heard.
So far, on this thread, I have had one post deleted that didn't violate any user agreement and have been personally attacked by the chairman.
This is why iHub's model is flawed. I know that I can't come to this thread and be treated fairly. And there appears to be an existing relationship/cyberfriendship of some sort between you and the management here. How can I trust that the people who are regulating the chairman's are unbiased?
And now the thread that I created has been deleted, so I do not have an alternate place to have my voice heard.
JXM
posting the link was not a breach of the user's agreement. Creating the thread was. If iHub deletes the thread, then that is one thing, but my post of the link did not fit into any description of a breach of the user's agreement.
I posted to Fatt Matt about this....so you don't even need to go and tell him.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50391
Not sure if this is the right forum for this.
But one thing that ain't working is the concept of one board per stock. If you have a chairman who is biased on a given stock, one way or another, there is no way to provide a balanced view.
I created this thread as an alternative to SEVU.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/board.asp?board_id=396
I posted a link to the thread on the original SEVU board (message deleted, though posting a link should not be a TOU)
Here is my opinion on the matter.
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=50383
That would seem to be a major hole in their policy. Because then there is no way that you can guarantee an unbiased moderation of threads.
It will be interesting to see what happens. If iHub deletes the unmoderated thread, then I believe that it will be a sign that the site will not be able to maintain credibility with serious investors.
This is one rule that they need to re-think.
BTW: why did you delete my post? If the IH admin deletes the board, that is one thing, but there was nothing in violation of the TOUs by posting the link.
I believe that the success of this site as a general forum for stock discussions, beyond OTC:BB hyping, is dependent on iHub changing this policy.
That would seem to be a major hole in their policy. Because then there is no way that you can guarantee an unbiased moderation of threads.
It will be interesting to see what happens. If iHub deletes the unmoderated thread, then I believe that it will be a sign that the site will not be able to maintain credibility with serious investors.
This is one rule that they need to re-think.
BTW: why did you delete my post? If the IH admin deletes the board, that is one thing, but there was nothing in violation of the TOUs by posting the link.
Hi Neenny,
Welcome to the thread away from thread.
JXM