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"So you'd rather trust shareholders who have something to gain by people buying then someone who has nothing to gain or lose either way. OK then. Have it your way."
What?
This is dirt poor logic structure. Do you want to try to clean that up?
Per your synopsis, you are implying that it's more logical for an existing shareholder to trust a perfect stranger with an opinion, who purportledy has nothing to gain ro lose,..than someone who is another shareholder with a common purpose of capital appreciation?
Are you familiar with the 10 billion year thoery of self preservation?
Consider carefully: Both shareholders have something to potentially lose..which would naturally dictate a logical development schemes to procure adn nourish symbitotic self interested/self preservation relationships...therby allowing for mutual success.
A stranger who has nothing to lose, can have any number of nefarious reason to potentially harm the potential success.
But you are implying that the shareholder should give the same amount of trust capital to that stranger, as if they had something both to lose or gain by thier banter?
Uhhh....i think you made a mistake and was typing to fast. I cannot belive you actually believe this to be a logical thesis.
finally, it is immeasurably illogical to make any further presumption at all as to the determination of who si REALYL asharheolder or neutral party.
So it's a moot point anyway.
Investing in LBSR or any other venture is nothing more than a WORSHAK test, and people naturally gravitate towards those who share the same view points.
This is normal, and logical. no?
Yoohooo pssst "ontherise"...so where's the facts you were going to post today?
REFRESHER for you:
TIA
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=66465783
This is unbelievable...
"One year ago, there was no business
One quarter ago, there was no vendor with funding to be able to build the canopies
One month ago, there was no initial website
One week ago, there was not a single canopy recorded in the books of SLMU "
So what? If the profit model is broken, who cares what was there a month or two ago? GM invested in SUNLOGICS.
Shareholders invest with foreward looking statements...and hopefully they are given useful data to determine appropriate risk ratios.
Using your vague profit data model premise; an accaptable ROI on our retail investment is pie in the sky thinking.
IMO if you said "we will attempt to achieve a net savings costs of product deployment approx 10-20 percent bi annually"..well gee...people here can scratch their heads and try to understand if this profit model makes sense to invest in.
What you are saying is.."trust us..things will get cheaper as we go along"..that's your entire profit model strategy? What the big secret? Where's the transperancy?
Again...this is unacceptable. If you KNOW FOR A FACT RIGHT NOW...that only a mere achieve 1-2% savings gains will be achieved in total...would you let your investors know that?
I certainly will find this to be a horribe investment at such a low range...don't you want your "shareholders" to have useful data?
Agreed, rome was not built in a day..but they created a blueprint...WHICH I'M SURE THEY SHARED WITH CONCERNED STAKEHOLDERS.
Can we see your blueprint?
TIA
Why don' t you go back through other recent posts and see how many others are BUYING?
Buying and selling of goods -->MARKET..--->STOCK MARKET. Get it?
What's your point..really? People sell, others buy those shares.
Here's the simplified flaw in your "argument".
You are trying to paint a negative view of 1 large Seller dumping 2 million shares.....that's fine..HOWEVER
If 50-100 smaller buyers soak up those 2 million shares...who cares?
Learn to use L2, It's quite amazing the clarity that can be had.
As for your supposed strategy on how you have been buying @ 0.035 selling @ .045..honestly that is extremly far fetched IMO
You will need to be flipping with many thousands of dollars to make it worthwhile..nevermind uncle sams's tax burden on shorterm capital gains. I simply don't believe you..sorry.
Don't worry..you can simply provide us with your broker's time stamp trading info regarding the last several times you succesfully traded that way...
like you said..you post facts..not fairy tales..right??
TIA
"Large holders bailing, believers losing faith and a sinking pps"
Really? Do you have a list of said persons?
Please provide some factual information to support these claims.
TIA
"The secondary question is how the company is managed with tight reigns, as this is clearly a financial model which needs a low cost structure and scale to be profitable. Once you have a dozen/two dozen/a hundred solar canopies built, the net effect of the overhead becomes incrementally smaller with each canopy built and transferred to SLMU"
With all due respect, that is precisely the problem here. The so called reduction of the "net effect of the overhead" numbers appear remakeably low, not much left for a proper ROI for investors...being continually saddled with ongoing debt/losses.
Can you provide a simple simulation of sorts, to help resolve the "potential" net effect idea you are espousing, over the next5-10 years?
I don't see that information on your website.
I am looking for "approximations" at this point, NOT a detailed projection.
TIA
I'm adding to my position today..GLTA
Brsicoe...Please keep this low for a bit longer..i need more shares...gobble gobble gobble.
How will SLMU generate acceptable levels of ROI for it's "investors".
DO you believe the current business model strategy is a viable and ethical means to that end?
I ask "ethical"..because you seem to imply that you are an ethical person by your rhetoric.
TIA
Yes, you can short penny stocks. Here's a brief article:
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Short selling stocks is nothing new; however, it has gained tremendous popularity with the recent economic downturn and Wall Street turmoil. The rise of Timothy Sykes, the outspoken penny stock trader, who has created an extremely lucrative business exploiting penny stock pump and dump scams, has also brought short selling penny stocks to the forefront.
When you short sell a stock, your broker will lend it to you. The stock will come from another one of the firm's customers, the brokerage's own inventory, or from another brokerage firm. The shares are sold and the proceeds are credited to your account. Eventually, you must "close" the short by buying back the same number of shares (called covering) and returning them to your broker. If there is a drop in the price, you can buy back the stock at the lower price and turn a profit on the difference. If the stock happens to increase, you have to buy the stock back at the higher price, and you lose money.
Stock Brokers
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Sogo Trade
They almost always have shares available to short; however, when you fall below the $1 price point you may have a little trouble. They developed and maintain their own clearing firm*, which helps them have shares to borrow and charge less to execute a trade. Most people would not guess it, but Sogo Trade also transacts around the same amount of shares as Etrade. You can also open an account with under $10,000.
ThinkorSwim
This brokerage has gained tremendous popularity over the last few years. It is highly touted by Timothy Sykes, who brags about their executions and customer service. Although they don’t have near the same amount of daily transactions as their peers, most of their clients will tell you that they are the best broker for hard to borrow stocks. Only $3500 is needed to open an account which is also a positive for many new traders.
Interactive Brokers
This brokerage is usually on the top of most traders’ list. They typically have shares available for any penny stock and they do not shy away from pink sheet and OTCBB companies. The downside is they have a $10,000 minimum to open an account and their platform is geared towards an advanced trader. However, there is a reason that penny stock guru Timothy Sykes uses them. They are definitely worth a consideration if you have the financial means.
*Clearing firm – A company that works with the exchanges to handle confirmation, delivery and settlement of transactions. These firms play an important role in ensuring that executed trades are settled efficiently, within a specific period of time.
http://shortsellingpennystocks.com/
"It will take more than a few weeks for the revenue to flow on to SLMU's balance sheet from this deal"
ha..I'll see what this securities lawyer has to say about that.
GLTU
DID YOU READ THE 10Q? You don't see how unprofitable that is?
This strategy is broken IMO. There is very little profit with this approach.
How else will they make money for shareholders???
TIA
How will SLMU make money for shareholders?
TIA
I re-read the 10q again last night... IMO I get the feeling even more so, that the SLMU entity is potentially nothing more than a toxic asset shell entity. That would allow owners to generate significant fees/salaries benefits for themselves, while also shifting the major liabilities/debt onto the backs of small retail unsophisticated shareholders.
The profit margin/strategy opoportunity as presented for LBSR small retail investors (SLMU) is simply unworkable financially. Management already knew this...why did they, and continue to pretend that it is a sound viable strategy for an acceptable ROI for investors??
GM did not invest in SLMU!
Seems like a scam agreement IMO between the two entities to build up sunlogics with resources/investment capital, then eventually gm will buy out sunlogics?, saddling bagholders of slmu with the toxic portions.
This definetly feels like a shell game to me.
I am extremely disapointed with the way this was framed to shareholders.
Personally, I feel completely scammed.
I will be seeking advice from an SEC Securities lawyer this week, and possisbly filing a complaint with the SEC.
The un-etchial business practices by some today have gone too far...enough with the wall street gang mentality already!
As shareholders we have rights...we better start using them!
Cool.
You should sell al your shares immediately then. You gotta know when to fold e'm right??
GLTU
"For the period from inception (April 27, 2001) through June 30, 2011, our deficit accumulated has amounted to $3,132,447.
During the six months ended June 30, 2011, the Company earned $1,042 in revenues for usage of the Company's solar powered charging station
At June 30, 2011, we had assets totalling $1 and current liabilities of $591,909 attributable to amounts due to related parties, accounts payable and deferred revenue."
THESE CLOWNS ARE PAYING THEMSELVES RICH MONTHLY SALARIES ON THE BACKS OF SHAREHOLDERS, AND LOOK AT THE PERFORMANCE RESULTS...MOUNTING LOSSES..AND MEAGER ROI...MORE WALL STREET MUMBO JUMBO TYCOONS.
THIS IS UBELIEVABLE.
I'M CURRENTLY LIQUIDATING THIS POS...GOOD LUCK TO ALL WHO DECIDE TO STICK THIS ONE OUT.
BETTER PLAYS OUT THERE FOR THE MONEY RIGHT NOW IMO.
PEACE OUT
LOUSY 10Q...WHAT A DISAPOINTMENT! UGHHH...
I just got the pump email. I'm not here t buy, im just here to watch how many people will lose money chasing this pump and dump LOL
"COMRADE" is my tongue in cheek reaction to some posts made here, after the announcement. Some folks were having reservations about possibly taking money from the "red army". I hold no such reservations...a bit of sarcasm on my part I suppose comrade.
We shouldn't coddle folks...he/she is perfectly capable of reading through all past posts,and coming to his/her own conclusions. I am not in the business of forcing people to become rich.
Some sincerely are seeking answers..some are..shall we say..trying to simply get a rise of out folks.
If some one can honestly say..they have done ALL of the DD listed here...and actually understands what is at stake here..IMHO i have a difficult time believing why they would naysay.
A nickle...and MORE than just a dream.
Who cares what happens tomorow with the PPS...the question is..where will the PPS be in 5-10 years!
Buy on dips..the patient horse wins here with easy gallop...simple as that imo.
GLTA
"I say by Friday back to .04, let's see if I'm right..."
I hope you are right comrade..my funds will be cleared by then, and I need more shares!
GO LBSR!
They won't quit until all humans live under the sea, with zero percent waste possible from our half frozen state of existence on the seafloor.
We are living in a global economic reality. Your scenario can be said of millions families in your own american city.
I think it's fair to say...capital is not unethical, people are.
LBSR Needs capital to finance a drilling program..china has boatlads of capital.
If we stick up our noses at them, then by all means, as capitalist norms would dictate...china will simply find another willing party.
Take your new found future LBSR millions from china's hand, and start your own charitable orgAnization; if ethics is the REAL issue.
gltu COMRADE
A capitalist marketplace is where LBSR finds itself.
"Capital" the engine of economic growth...holds no esteem of persons, nor states.
SHOW ME THE MONEY COMRADE.
A refresher on terminology- PRESIDENT/CEO. (take note the last sentence especially :)
"The ultimate goal in corporate governance is to effectively manage the relationship between owners and decision-makers and increase shareholder value."
http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/04/062504.asp#ixzz1VIKtz2nA
Once again you are dead on with a fresh assesment of the unfolding situation.
I Must admit, Mr liang's appointment to president caught me buy complete surprise...further proving that,there's no way to "time" the best entry point.
Either folks understand the potential here and take full advantage of current undervalued pps, or they sit on the fence taking extreme risk, as a wait and see approach.
News potentially hitting any day imo.
I need more shares. So the dips in the meanwhile are a pure gift!
IMHO... our next round of financing....CHINA. Could already be in the works for all we know. The next PR could be life changing
Wall street journal article below:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576241861343768204.html
Who doubts LBSR could hit $15-20 in next 5 years, if serious drill program is intitiated soon?
We have more "potential" resources than NAK at this point. The drill bits only need to confirm.
Most shareholders here could retire in 5 years or less? I know millionaries will be made here even @ $1.00 pps.
Thoughts?
"Larry and I have the same long-term strategic plan for the Company, so he can handle negotiating complex legal and financial relationships while I concentrate on strategic direction and supervision of exploration geology."
Do you understand now?
Please consider the following IMPORTANT detail:
"Born in China, Mr. Liang attended the Southwest University of Political Science and Law, Chong Qing, China and received an L.L.B. in International Economic Law, Summa Cum Laude, followed by an L.L.M. (Master of Laws) in International Trade Law from the University of Arizona, James E. Rogers College of Law (2003)."
Folks, to break into the chinese market, you need someone who understands the culture, and CHINESE mode of business deal making...with the correct international business and legal background to boot.
If anyone can go get us chinese money..Mr Liang IS the man to be able to do it IMO.
THE TIMING COULD NOT BE MORE PERFECT FOR LBSR...EVERYTHING IS FALLING INTO PLACE HERE.
Briscoe wouldn't be stepping down as just a simple polite gesture to shareholders imo..something is definetly cooking.
About to start firing on all 12 cylinders! IMO...we could all get sideswiped by news of secured drilling financing any day now..did he say CHINA?
LBSR NEW PRESIDENT ANNOUNCED!
Another MAJOR piece of the puzzle just put into place today!
Prayers finally answered for those hoping for change in management leadership....impressive resume to boot.
THIS IS HUGE NEWS FOLKS WAKE UP...notice the "timing" of this epic event...
STRONG BUY TO INFINTY!
SOMETHING BIG IS BREWING IMO!
Call me crazy..but my EUO looking good these days..in @$17.
France is now on the brink...The EURO is in desparate straights...SOCIETE GENERAL BANK rumors to be on the verge of needing massive bailout...hope to make a small killing if she collapses..and throw profits in back into LBSR!
LBSR trading fishy, like news is pending at any moment??
Not yet briscoe...
I NEED MORE SHARES 0_O
GLTA
Looks like LBSR will be the poster child for this ZTEM technology. After we get proven WITH DRILL BITS...ZTEM data used, will go along way to bolstering it's standing in the mining community as a valid,dependable tool imo.
Agreed. Please ignore the potential billions in the ground from our claims, vollmer is a nobody, and MLV will simply sit and do nothing for 12 months...NAK only paid LBSR bills because they felt charitable that day...nothing to see here folks...move along.
Buy this stock and regret it..will only create long lasting headaches for you ..who wants to deal with all the future explosive profits in their trading accounts anyways. luxury cars,yachts and swim suit model companions are SEVERELY overated imo.
shoo fly. You are offically warned.
:)
Volume increasing...steady as she goes. I'm getting together some more dry power, in case you are right...I'm not ready for the LBSR rapture.
LOADING MY BOAT...TILL IT THREATENS TO CAPSIZE FROM THE WEIGHT OF MY LOOT.
GLTA
LBSR GOLD RAPTURE COMING..will you be ready?
GLTA
IMO when GOLD hits $3,000, that Will send shockwaves through the entire junior mining community.
A new gold rush is taking shape right in front of our eyes. No need to buy shovels this time around,just more shares in promising micro pmc's, with huge deposit potentials.
These LBSR cheapies won't last folks...My god..some board members will...GULP!..make millions here 0_o
GLTA
Agreed. Looks like we are partnering with none of these entities.
But it's interesting to see how quick and sudden news could hit. Once the right pr is announced, most will be chasing imo.
GLTA