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5,400 fully vaccinated people have died from covid.
Cases of fully vaccinated are rising fast as well.
https://nbcmontana.com/news/coronavirus/rise-in-breakthrough-deaths-should-not-cast-doubt-on-vaccines-experts-say
How many were saved with therapeutics. You can't get the number because the MMM covers up any positive news. After all it's big pharma that spends hundreds of millions advertising their products on the networks. Dare they say anything bad.
I am the one who has been right. I predicted the stock below $300.00.
You predicted along with some others the price to be $500.00 by Christmas 2021 and $1,000.00 by Jan. 2022. You were the one who was wrong.
Many fully vaccinated NFL players getting covid again or for the first time and this is affecting the outcome of many games with so many key players showing covid positive.
Could cost teams big time, playoff hopes and even the Super bowl.
Vaccinated people with their Moderna Jabs spreading covid to others anyway.
Yes vaccinated Moderna people are spreaders too.
Is it possible the patent board might be influenced by Battens' ruling???
HCMC can't sue Cozen, so they will probably get a hefty discount if they decide to stay with Cozen. I would not.
Sounds good except that appeals take about a year to be heard even if successful. I guess then you start all over with the lawsuit rewritten.
Prepare for a long drawn out process. PM loves it. They will still make tons of money selling the infringed products all over the world even though the ban against imports still exists in the US.
This will take a while thanks to COZEN.
Pulling Out???? Can't trust their own vaccines that is the real reason.
Moderna vaccines are failing big time.
Pfizer has a new pill coming out soon thats 90% effective against covid and MRNA is lagging way behind in theraputics as well.
Cruise Ship with all their crew and passengers FULLY VACCINATED has a major outbreak of Covid. So much for the Moderna vaccines.
You might want to wait a while and see what Bidens new tax hikes are going to do to the the average investors decisions.
According to many experts a big correction is coming in 2022 which will impact the entire market and the us economy.
You don't know either, you just say things and hope they will come true (SOME DAY).
Some day it just might happen, but it won't be soon.
How many adults in the US use e-cigarettes?
According to National Health Interview Survey of the United States in 2017, approximately 2.8% of the U.S. adult population were current e-cigarette smokers. According to Reuters Health, one in every 20 US adults has tried e-cigarettes. At present, approximately 10.8 million American adults use e-cigarettes .Oct 9, 2020
How many use PM products
How many use HCMC products
Does anyone know.????
Many on this board have said it. It will get to $500.00 eventually???
Would you like to be a little more precise or that statement is totally worthless.
What you need to tell us is how this(Moderna stock) will get to $500.00 by Christmas and $1,000.00 by the end of January 2022.
Be lucky if this breaks $300.00 by Christmas.
You won't be laughing soon....This country is in for a rude awakening economically and what the Fed Reserve has been doing at an accelerated rate these past few years.
Go back to sleep. You were much richer when you were dreaming.
Another poster pointed out what I had forgotten about was that Holman wanted 100 million with the offering. Since according to some attorneys(Not me) that the lawsuit would only require about 2 million to fight.
A lot less if PM decided to settle first.
Holman has a lot of explaining to do and he ain't doing it so far.
You do the same.
Since I can't buy shares from private companies, I guess I have no choice but to accept .25 interest from banks or take a shot on wall St stocks.
They are not all bad. I do very well with my dividend stocks and taxes are a lot less too.
I mostly said OTC. Need to read my posts more carefully.
$100Million Holman was asking from shareholders in the "Rights Offering",
as you just correctly pointed out.
According to some lawyers who have been following the HCMC case have stated, some on youtube, that this lawsuit would only have cost about 2 million and probably a lot less if PM decided to settle after the lawsuit was filed.
100 million just sounds a little suspicious to me too.
All good points, very valid ones at that.
People have different views about the offering and I respect all those with an opinion. I don't call people names that I don't agree with.
I have stated more than once I am not a seasoned investor especially when it comes to OTC stocks.
OTC is worse than shark infested waters. Tough to be a winner.
The only time I get down right nasty is when someone attacks me personally FIRST, then I will defend myself.
Then sometimes I will just bite my tongue and say nothing when one of the real clever and subtle attackers simply just asks you for your companies Ticker Symbol. Sticking out your chest and bragging is good exercise for your lungs I heard.
I don't care if they are selling burgers or toasters, the point is they are a Private Company always have been and Wall St can't mess with them.
He didn't need it at the time. He's not buying back shares and certainly doesn't need another 400 billion shares. OTC's do it all the time, they set up shell corps, fill it with family members and friends and pay the shell huge fees and call them advisors or consultants .Also known as a clever way to launder some money. That 27 million can disappear a lot of different ways.
Why doesn't HCMC manufacture their products in the USA and PM won't even be a factor. They have a chance to capture the American Market themselves with the import ban on.
Better yet, take the 27 million and buy some farm land in Virginia, grow tobacco and sell cigarettes in the USA. A pack a day from each smoker, about a dollar a day each in profits, 30 million a day sounds a lot better than only 20,000 vapors. 30 million smokers verses 20,000 vapors. Their in the wrong business.
Thank you Jesus for pointing out our sins. Happy to know your still alive.
Some of us unsophisticated investors didn't know Holman would grab 27 million he didn't even need at the time for himself.
What other company on planet earth has 730 billion shares with no explanation why they are ALL needed.
400 billion more shares he never needed in the first place and won't retire yet.
You have more sympathy for Holman and his incompetency and probably corruption than for those he fleeced.
By the way Bob. There is a hamburger chain with many locations mostly throughout NY. It is still privately held after 50 years in business.
Very successful still while some other large chains are now out of business.
They control their own business and their own destiny.
No MMs, No Hedgefunds, No short sellers, No board of directors telling them how to run their business. Possible you might have heard of them.
They are know as White Castle Burgers and I love their burgers.
Thank You anyway Lucy. Over a penny?? I guess we will never hear from you again.
By the way, PM did make a couple of billion with their world wide sales of IQs
Just didn't know HCMC could not go after any sales in other countries even though they sold the same infringed products in those countries.
My mistake. I paid for it.
I am sure you are and I believe I know how too.
Which he got for nothing with the help of American Tax payer funds.
Moderna was worth nothing until Trump pumped it with 9 1/2 billion.
With all due respect to you Lucy. Large corporations fudge their numbers all the time to suit their motives or needs or desires at the time.
You also reference CNBC as your source. I don't believe anything they say.
Big corps like PM advertised all the time when they were allowed to on most all of the media outlets. Big money always gets cover. Be careful of your sources.
PM lied all the time in their ads that smoking was not harmful.
Would you like to be the next Marlboro man or woman??
By the way they are all dead now from lung cancer.
Not a public company. If it was I wouldn't give out that information anyway.
Just because you have a ticker symbol doesn't make you honest, although it could make you very rich.
I prefer honest. No shell corps, just hard work.
I believe your numbers at least sound more logical. With 30 mil smokers in the USA alone and many switched to vaping because they feel it is less toxic, 20,000 sounds very low.
I don't believe Lucy is trying to deceive anyone, just might be reading old or inaccurate data.
I think since I understand appeals might take another year, they might as well try to refile the lawsuit and learn from where Cozen screwed up.
They need to be more aggressive with a lot of issues, they seem to drag their feet on almost all of them constantly.
What did you think of Battens' decision ahead of the Patent Board and even worse than that just discarding tons of evidence in what seems like it might be corruption (JMO)
Patent board still has to Dec 21 to make their decision.
Everything is so positive, Bancel just dumped another 23,000 shares.
WTF does this guy have his own share printing press.
Amazing, they never run out of shares. You want an investigation of just short sellers. They need to really look at Bancel and all the Execs.
Here he is again promoting a flu vaccine only in the phase 1 trial and he is making it sound like this is coming right down the pike real soon.
Maybe years, maybe never is also possible and the BS goes on.
Like I said Lucy I am not a lawyer and this has been one big expensive learning experience for me. Holman ( my opinion only) is not a good CEO.
There is so many things he can do to promote HCMC for no advertising money at all.
Take a lesson from ELON who turned a 50 million dollar company(Tesla) into a trillion dollar company and never spent a dime on advertising.
HCMC will never be a trillion dollar company but they can improve their present position if they had a CEO with a brain.
Ok If everything you said is true as far as PM profits goes.
What was the point of the lawsuit in the first place if HCMC wasn't losing enough money to matter.
The USA lawsuit is not valid in other countries so what is the point???
They just need to manufacture here and shut out PM.
Maybe the ban is a good thing for HCMC is they are smart enough to take advantage of it.
Thank you Lucy. At least I got one part right. I also said the Judge ignored pages and pages of evidence in favor of one cherry picked issue as you pointed out.
You also said an appeal is worthless so to speak because the IQs are no longer sold in the USA. What about the money PM already made selling the IQs when they were doing it.
They already made possibly a couple of billion. Can HCMC go after that which was already made???? If so is it worth the trouble.
Since the products were only banned for imports, wouldn't it be wise for HCMC to immediately start manufacturing them in the USA. They then would have the entire USA market to themselves in a sense excluding PMs sales in the USA. They can still sell them abroad.
The appeal thing was not my personal opinion. I was pointing out what Fawesome said and he also said he had many lawyer friends that were patent attorneys in his network that he did ask their opinion on the appeal issue.
They said appeals rarely are successful.
According to some lawyers who have been following the HCMC case pretty intently stated that appeals rarely are successful. It does not mean impossible, just not likely.
Anything is possible. Cozen should have have responded when the judge gave them the opportunity to do it. Why they didn't, ask them.
What you just said is a bunch of Horsesh.t
Most of the dead were elderly people who had various illnesses already and had weak or compromised immune systems. Many of whom died from other issues and the Drs were instructed in many cases as some whistleblowers finally came forward and stated they were forced to put Covid on the death certificates.
Many of the deaths had nothing to do with Covid.
Those deaths can be attributed to many other possible reasons, not just Covid.
The compromised elderly can also die from just getting the flu.
Why ask me I never commented on Japan at all. I personally am for Natural Immunity.
Holman just might sell HCMC to PM with all HCMC patents included.
Might as well sell them, he doesn't know how to defend them.
Ok Jeffrey, now that the Judge wiped that sh.t eating grin off your face, what do you have to say for yourself now????
How many people do you think will brag about a mistake that they have made.
Unfortunately ORC is losing share value at the same time it is losing dividend value.
You expect shareholders to post about it favorably.
What are they promising this week, more HOT AIR....I thought Climate Change had that issue solved already.
Did you see the massive amounts of dumps the last two weeks by the Execs.
Maybe their family members are buying the calls now that they(The Criminal Execs) cleaned house and caused the share price tp plunge.
Finally someone that agrees with me about retiring the 400 billion extra unneeded
authorized shares. The 330 billion is already too much. Just allows the MM's to continue to play their games.
Share buyback is also a good idea to help raise the share price and show the investors some common decency by Holman. I wouldn't bet on it, but it is a thought.
Holman doesn't even need HCMC anymore, he can live happily ever after on the 27 million.