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"Spiber has a partial POC, Randy doesn't have one at all. I could concede that he might, but how easy is it to downplay something that might exist? In Spibers case we do not know if the parka will ever be feasible. They admit it is expensive. They made a beautiful video of the parka, but they didn't show how much stronger it is. They had no comparisons, just a parka. Too expensive is a show stopper if someone gets it done cheaper."
Wondering why you're stuck on Spiber when we were talking about RL?
Here's some astonishing info for you to clear up some ignorance about NF and parkas....yeah, people aren't going to care really about how much stronger or expensive it is. I live where people wear NF year round. Parkas these days are generally for the extremists, even in my neck of the woods. People here are pretty brand loyal....sure somebody like Columbia, Spider, Mountain Gear etc may be cheaper but that hasn't stopped the growth of NF sales in my area. I certainly can't recall anybody saying I bought brand A over brand B because "it's stronger", usually the choice is made because of the fit and prior experience with the brand. Do you think the parka is gonna retail for 30k or some crazy number? lol
Last I looked, you weren't speaking for all shareholders....many have stated what I have said. Yup, right here....true story brah
"How do you know KBLB doesn't have spider silk 4 Gpa in strength? Your argument is ridiculous. You extol something unknown and this is supposed to ascribe meaning to the subject?"
I don't...too funny. But back to RL....How would you know he has or doesn't have one? Pay attention to the definition I gave you. Yeah, pretty sure he would have to have one especially being under the alleged higher scrutiny from his peers that the clan thinks is going on...lmao
"You can't point out my flawed logic so you make it about something impeding companies."
Actually, you did. Let me explain it simply for you again...you think that announcing properties of fibers is somehow important. Obviously it isn't impeding anybody's progress at this point.
"It is a straw man argument"
Perhaps you should think of a different catchphrase for anybody you disagree with, this one is pretty played out.
"Competition doesn't impede anyone unless there is intellectual property at issue. No one is talking about IP."
Then why do you think properties are so important at this stage? After all, you and the clan keep bringing them up.
"Look it isn't about measuring d**ks. It could be, but KBLB is the only one bragging about theirs."
Again, then why do all the arguments bring it up?
"How tough is the parka?"
Doesn't matter...
"How tough is the parka? Is Spibers parka better than existing parkas? Who is going to build a better parka? Who is going to make it cheaper? These are questions that you can't answer on behalf of any other company, but KBLB."
Last time I looked, KBLB wasn't making a parka and isn't prepared to make anything remotely close to it.
"They exist and i am sure kblb would accept them but most if not all DoD grants come with the strings."
Such as give us something we can use or at least show the potential, or no more money? Yeah, I can see why Kim would have issue with that.
Would I rather take money from an entity that demands some accountability, or from shareholders who are happy giving me an infinite amount of time to get things done?
"Actually it was poor logic."
lol...what?
"From a competitive standpoint, he has to get where Spiber is....so we can "downplay" the existence of an expensive parka or product. If they make a cheaper fiber with better toughness and properties, then downplaying would be illegitimate"
And this is an example of good logic? You seem to be in denial that this d**k measuring contest of whose properties are better doesn't mean jack at this point, and isn't impeding any company's progress.
At some point it might make a difference in some application.
"A proof of concept (POC) is a demonstration, the purpose of which is to verify that certain concepts or theories have the potential for real-world application. POC is therefore a prototype that is designed to determine feasibility, but does not represent deliverables."
Oooh you!
This is getting beyond ridiculous....how would you even know that he doesn't have this already?
"How is it "clearly more than 1m a pound"?"
It's your formula and your logic...you tell me. If KBLB has burned up 100 million (again, your words) have they produced more than 100 pounds?
"Looks like the most recent price quote for a goo producer is $1m a pound"
"It is the basis of all speculating. The entire stock market is based on speculating whether a company will or won't.....So yeah you can say this company might make it or might not. My money says they will, so it matters."
Yup, sure is.....but the speculation on any "competitor" here is always the downside. Funny and foolish at the same time
"Downplaying my opinion betrays the idea it doesn't matter....to use your argument."
You know what they say...Imitation is the best source of flattery
BTW, still waiting on the company to post a copy of that MOU....a pretty simple thing to do if it actually existed, as I've seen several of them. Ya these are the kind of details that help shareholders gain confidence that they're not invested in a scam, kind of like which government made a "request" from KBLB
Strange but not unusual that you would take that out of context as originally presented and try to make an argument about it.
Your "proof of concept" means jack squat at this point in time if you're not able to deliver it
"I agreed with you when you wanted me to direct my post to the correct party."
It really doesn't matter if we agree or not
"I think you enjoy to muddy the waters and for whatever reason extol his efforts as being significant. You bring it up and people say so what."
Think what you want...that doesn't matter either. At the end of the day it's still a 2 cent penny stock
"Do you think he has been or will be more successful than KBLB?"
Yawn...something else that doesn't matter to me either. Let me summarize that the point of most of my posts regarding the completion and RL: I'm simply not going to downplay competition or RL without knowing all the facts, most of which the average person isn't privy to. If you're going into an MMA match with the attitude of most here regarding the competition, you're going to get your salad tossed.
"You leave out any arguments on why he should be taken seriously."
Umm, where would I start?....if you're not seeing why he is where he is, what am I supposed to tell you?
"For whatever reason you want to resuscitate a horse that hasn't moved for a long time."
With a grant from the military and potentially more grants, he is moving forward atm...no resuscitating necessary.
"You say maybe. The other side of that coin is maybe not."
Ridiculous...you can apply to that to just about everything. "Maybe the coin will land on tails this time, maybe it won't"
"I do not fear RL's work until the evidence says I should."
Then don't??
"So if your brand of arguing is simply putting things out there"
And here is where you would provide an example...
"Maybe even progressed" isn't a fact."
Durrr...no kidding. It's an opinion. Never said it was a fact. You can dream about winning arguments all you want here. Maybe you could explain where that gets you in life
"If he succeeds he wont have a product he will have a few fibers and no proof of concept if he can even produce it in any quantity or quality or consistency. "
lol...what? Wishful thinking on your part. Yeah, pretty sure a novice like RL wouldn't have any of that in place.
"Then all he needs is another 20 or 30m to produce a facility."
lol...sure. Then any quantity he makes will cost 20 to 30 million just like KBLB (using your logic)
"Could be 20m could be 100m."
Yup, pretty sure you said around 20 million. We're not worried about "exactly" here as it's clearly more than 1 million a pound, the price per pound you gave RL.
"But whatever it is it has paid for all of the various strains all of the patents and all of the licensing"
Yeah you would assume that he has actually done something productive with the money, besides paying the lump.
"We have proof of concept"
whoop de freakin doo....some day that might actually be worth something to somebody
"facilities are available by the hundreds world wide."
Oh yeah, that's why Kim seems to rather specific about the area he is working on...lol. You appear to have the impression that Vietnam is just going to Kim a facility.
"I am not in any way worried about RL."
Nobody is asking you to be, yet your downplaying betrays this statement.
"Kblbs is sales of a product that doesnt have the "IF it can be done" attached."
In case you haven't noticed, there is a pretty BIG attached to any sales let alone production of KBLB's product
Indeed... I don't think he's going to become destitute if this doesn't work out. He's obviously recognized as an expert in this field
"What you say can change my opinion"
Pretty sure over the years that has never happened
"That is why arguments have value."
You're right...at the end of the day, it's still a 2 cent penny stock
"I am saying there isn't a reason to sweat what he is doing"
Using that logic, then there wouldn't be any arguments about what he is doing or downplaying it...or is it your assertation that people just like to argue?
"We own the rights from his previous work as long as we maintain the relationship with UW."
Looks like he's moved on from that.....maybe even progressed.
If he succeeds, he will have verifiable proof that he can do it from a legitimate source and potentially a legitimate customer with deep pockets. A pretty good return for 1 million to develop a product
"KBLB has received a few mill (i assume...i have not done the math)"
lol, sure you haven't...I seem to remember seeing you post that it was up around 20 million now. So by using your logic from your OP you can assume that any sample no matter how small that Kim has produced cost 20 million
I would say at this point, that's a better return than pumping MILLIONS into something and having nothing to show for it
"The contract, which is managed by the Army Research Office, will call for Utah State and Technology Holding LLC to provide the Army with multiple lengths of fiber made from synthetic spider silk while testing and analyzing the manufacturing process."
How ridiculous do you want to be smearing this guy...is it jealousy driving this argument? Even if this paragraph was a direct quote from RL himself and not paraphrased by the reporter, it's factual not self-serving....lol
All the false statements seem to be coming from a single source. "
Well, I'm glad you can own up to it.....lol, You're wrong, no you are. And I'm still waiting to be wrong
"Several persons were correcting and debunking these statements."
And yet you didn't correct or debunk anything, while one of the clan just decided to make up things
"I am saying RL hasn't had anything lately. It is all passe."
It may or may not be.. some people would think that getting such a grant would be some kind of accomplishment in itself (as an example), while there are developments in his lab that we're not privy to
"I don't see him as a concern,"
If you don't, you don't...no matter what I say or argue isn't going to change that, while the same is true from my point of view about him
You tell me...they're pretty easy to find. What's up with not looking up your own info lately, it it 4:20?
"Glad to see you, FM. Whenever you begin to post in a panicked fashion, it symbolizes that good news is at hand for KBLB."
Really? Historically speaking, when has that happened exactly?
"Could Monday be the day we hear about a deal with Vietnam being approved? Is Monday the day we get the most important email from KT regarding Vietnam?"
Which year?
I hear you...that's a logical scenario.
So it appears this last contract is not the deathstroke at all if he doesn't produce a commercially ready fiber
As usual and as I thought, there would be more to the story. It really sucks being right all the time
2 spidersilk companies that have public records with actual military governmental agencies
At least 1 spidersilk company that has publicly announced their affiliations with garment manufacturers
But those pesky NDAs....lmao
Such vigor and enthusiasm this morning....
The fear of this dropping lower and no contract with Vietnam is almost palpable
"Odds are it was indirectly from R Lewis himself."
Then I guess it wasn't exactly a "self-serving statement" was it?
Is there one of those smear campaigns going on Big Mike? Like the one you accused me of?
Y'all must really be afraid of his progress and accomplishments
"The first statement was made by USU, one of the parties to the grant."
Wrong...it's a paragraph out of a fiber 2 fashion story
Well, I'd like to see where the military was mentioned in the second comment....Remember? The statement from KBLB
Then, which military....which government?
TIME TO BREAK OUT THE CAPS
SURE, BIG MIKE....WHATEVER YOU SAY. LOL. I'VE EXPLAINED MYSELF THOROUGHLY AND AS USUAL YOU DERAIL IT TO ANOTHER TOPIC.
Another interesting spin on things...lol
Thanks for the chuckles
FYI, a self serving statement is usually made by the person who created it to serve
"For anyone paying attention, this is called denial. No one makes money comparing appendages."
Oh really? Then why do you keep going back to it? lol....
"Are you mad...bro? Why in the world do you hide behind veiled personal attacks? I think you choose not to communicate your points because they are weak. Spit it out clearly. It would take fewer words than saying... Go back to my OP......"
Like I said, this is amusement....the same dudes all twitterpated when you confront them with logic. Explaining myself would take fewer words than saying "go back to my op"...If you're too lazy to go back and look, not my problem
You "first" Big Mike....respond to the difference between the 2 statements that I keep reposting. That is an example of being more detailed.
Too funny
As far as properties on products made in the labs....notice how that isn't impeding any progress with the other companies.
Well, that's certainly an interesting spin on it....lol
"The point is unsubstantiated, there wasn't anything that applied. Good communication isn't lazy. I hit on every point in your post and you got lazy with the "No thanks" response."
That's an interesting point of view...albeit delusional, but whatever.
"You said other companies are more detailed, and that isn't true. In principle, companies will play to their strengths. Fiber properties (and pricing) will be KBLB's, if they ever get Vietnam done."
Sure keep trying to steer the argument to something I wasn't even talking about....you need to reread everything but I'd start with my post to Big Mike today.
"It is fun going over the details. Who is winning the fiber property wars is obvious, along with the commercial value play that comes with winning that battle. It is important to get to production, so we wait. I think it clear to most people, they have outlined intent to produce in Vietnam. What other obvious fact is being denied? "
I don't know, you tell me
"You care enough to be here, so it is disingenuous to say you don't care, when actions say you do. Maybe there is a conflict, but the post volume says you care a ton. A good deal more than amusement."
lol...oh yes, my life just wouldn't be complete without arguing about the same s**t, day in day out on a 2 cent penny stock message board.
Pay attention now Big Mike....you need to go back to my OP.
But, the things that you're demanding don't really seem to matter to the respective parties and entities involved with them, do they? All that YOU'RE demanding mean no more than the average d**k comparison contest, and will not/do not impede the process.
If you can't figure it out, maybe you can see the difference between these 2 statements:
"The contract, which is managed by the Army Research Office, will call for Utah State and Technology Holding LLC to provide the Army with multiple lengths of fiber made from synthetic spider silk while testing and analyzing the manufacturing process."
"The Company responded to a request from the Government and plans on providing test articles to the Government for evaluation in 2016."
"What way...you haven't made the point of any irony and aren't interested in making the point. You made a statement and can't or won't back it up. So the real point is to denigrate?"
It's been explained to whom my OP was intended ...when you're late to the party or you're too lazy or don't understand the point, not my problem
"Potential the market has it wrong."
Apparently, the market must be wrong about the bazillion other penny stocks....they pretty much all appear to have potential.
"How easy it is to take unsubstantiated pot shots at people. "
u mad bro? Last time I looked he's been grinding at the commercial endeavor for how many years now? Guess the truth hurts....that's why it's easy to take those kinds of shots, because they are substantiated and aka no production, no commercial quantities, no customers, and no revenues.
"As you know they aren't so detailed with fiber properties and costs."
Yup as I do know....more ironic statements from the clan. Those NDAs only work for KBLB. These other companies have no interest in protecting what they have...what a bunch of fools!
"They gave forward looking statements leading one to believe they will be able to compete, as well. Vague or disingenuous?"
To be honest, couldn't care less.....the only care I could give is obtaining some amusement from y'all denying and downplaying what they are doing and what they have. Let me know how many shareholders here will suffer if they don't make it.
"As far as the nicest way.....Is Kim being overly optimistic, if he signs a deal with the largest sportswear company on the planet?"
Yeah, let me know when Hell freezes over
"As far as the Meanest way.....and purposely and maliciously claiming the ability to produce results that he knows are extremely unlikely. No way....No one has had better results."
Who cares? Not the market...results in the lab don't appear to make very many people moist
"I see little room for the irony you espouse."
No surprise and nobody is forcing you to see it that way
"Maybe you can be more specific."
No thanks
"Really?"
Really
"Kim stated they would attempt to make better silks. KBLB has done that in spades. They made the absolute best fiber of all spider silk competition, including Araknitec, Entogenetics, Kazuhide Sekiyama (Spiber), and Bolt Threads. The spider silk world knows who has a fiber of 2Gpa, and it is most likely the toughest fiber of all fibers on the planet....natural and man-made. That is not by any stretch, a non-accomplishment. Yeah it took money but it certainly does not come at the expense of anyone. To the contrary, it is a credit to the technical fiber space."
So what? Wake me up when Kim produces it to commercial scale and sells some of it..DOD believes RL is going to....and don't pretend RL hasn't accomplished anything. It didn't come at the expense of anyone? Oh really? Guess I'll forget the dilution and the recent complaints today of buying as high in the .20s while we are now 2 cents....I know right, there is no loss until you sell and by golly the market cap has increased. yay
"But I can see why a company would hide whatever they choose to hide as well. So I see KBLB on par with every other company that uses statements to throw off competition or reduce the field of competitors."
Yup, that's always the excuse isn't it?....funny how the other companies are more detailed in what they are doing and with who.
"Maybe we see Kim get more forthright"
Wouldn't that be lovely...then we wouldn't have to see board members constantly making excuses for him. Thanks for the lulz
Was anybody able to sell and keep what they had before the halt?
Not sure how that works...
lol...wet season, dry season....is there a difference when it comes to SNEY?