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Keith - Just a brain cramp, didn't scroll down enougt to see your text under the link you posted. :(
Paul
The 1st or the 2nd one?
Looks like a round of chill pills are needed here tonight!
I_banker - You have a point, but that's assuming that their target market is one that will care. Just what is Lenovo's target market? If it's China and surrounding areas, that may not be the case.
chipguy,I_banker - Perhaps they'll just keep some model names like "Thinkpad", etc. I doubt IBM is willing to allow a company to capitalize on their good name, and risk trashing it if the company doesn't do it right.
Paul
tecate, in case you didn't realize it, the past does not equal the future.
drjohn - that wasn't the point of her argument, was it? Didn't see margins mentioned at all.
tecate - re: "Even so, it's temporary for both, we know Intel we back on top, and then AMD will etc. It's always been that way."
We don't know any such thing. It's is possible, true,(to what extent remains to be seen) but things change. Intel wasn't always the dominant force in CPUs and they're no longer dominant in RAM, are they?
Paul
kpf - NOSIG?
tecate - Fortunately for AMD "people you know" are irrelevant, they're not the target market for PIC. China, India, "3rd world", that's where it's targeted.
paul
bobs10 - maybe he thought by "CFO", you meant "Cheerleading Fan Officer"
- Not.
Paul
eweek has a full page (rear inside) Sun Solaris 10 ad that specifically mentioned Opteron support.
Paul
Tyan nF4 dual MB specs.
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19999
kpf - not symbolic for enthusiasts and self-builders.
Paul
chipguy - Agreed re: logistical side. I just meant that on the performance side, it makes more sense for AMD with K8 than Intel w/ Pentium-M.
Paul
chipguy - I'd say it makes more sense for AMD, because as their CPU frequencies go up, so does their bandwidth between the core and the mem controller, right? The low-end stuff can do fine with single channel, but the performance increases afforded by K8 dual channel have already been shown to be increasingly important.
Paul
Petz, alan81 - As alan noted, the one situation in which the DC setup helped was with IGP graphics. I made use of the fact with my motherboard for a year or so before deciding on a cost-effective discrete graphics card. But you're right, Petz, that with a discrete graphics card, the effect was minimal.
Paul
Grimes - Nope. :)
Grimes - I'm glad someone was able to see the positive that I saw in the article. I'm afraid the bias against Ed over on SI(highly justified, I might add) was too much for some there to be able to pick out the positive nuggets hidden in the article. Which is why I hesitated before posting it there. Oh, well the future will tell if the nuggets prove to be valuable and true.
Paul
An actual interesting editorial by Ed Stroligo.
Read the whole thing before you pass judgement. Though he makes some comments that are out of it, he may actually have some interesting points there. If so, things may get real interesting soon.
Paul
http://www.overclockers.com/articles1151/
Sonoma/Alviso notebook shown.
Paul
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20041129061220.html
sgolds - Sounds sensible to me. eom
sgolds - Anand did a review using both the SLI and PCI-e versions of the Gigabyte boards(which will likely be the first available, from the looks of it, though the full Asus review(s) are coming soon):
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2285
Paul
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Our Take
Just when it looked like we'd all be waiting breathlessly for the lone Asus SLI board sometime in December, Gigabyte has delivered a very capable SLI board that will likely be available in the market at about the same time. Our experience with the K8NXP-SLI was extremely positive. The board was exceptionally smooth in performance and trouble-free in our benchmarking with both single and SLI nVidia video cards. We had no issues at all with memory and the BIOS adjustments were exemplary.
The best way to look at the Gigabyte K8NXP-SLI is to see it as the SLI version of the regular and great performing K8NXP-9. The board offers the same features, the same BIOS options, the same basic layout, the same performance with a single video card, and the same outstanding overclocking that you will find with the K8NXP-9. We were definitely impressed with the Gigabyte K8NXP-9 and the SLI version is just icing on the cake.
The only problem that you will have is trying to decide which flavor of the Gigabyte nForce4 you want, since the only real difference in the 9 and SLI is the SLI option. Whichever you choose, we think that you will be very pleased with the features, flexibility, and performance you will find. Gigabyte is definitely back in the Athlon 64 market with the K8NXP-9 and K8NXP-SLI. We won't know exactly where these boards stand in the nF4/SLI hierarchy until some dust settles. However, we are very impressed with what we see in both these Gigabyte boards right now. Both boards are faster than the nForce4 Reference board and both were a real pleasure to use. The overclocking capabilities of both versions will give any enthusiast a lot of pleasure. When you consider the possibilities with the SLI version, the math of potential gets very exciting. The only fly in the ointment is the disappointing DIMM voltage adjustments provided. However, even this may be patchable with something like the OCZ DDR Memory Booster to boost voltage ranges.
As we were finishing this review, we also learned that MSI will have both their nForce4 and nForce4 SLI boards available for review in the next week to 10 days. That will provide even more choices - and more competition - for your holiday dollars.
We can certainly recommend either Gigabyte nForce4 motherboard for your system. We don't foresee any surprises on the horizon and both these boards are very capable. One of these boards is going into our memory test bed in the near future. But we have the same problem that you will have - we just can't decide which one!
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sgolds - I'd probably scope out the K8 forums at nForcersHQ.com and see what they've been finding as far as issues goes. Granted a lot of the issues you'll see may be OC related, but you may discover some things to avoid re: BIOS issues or driver incompatibilities.
Paul
http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=59
PS. If not nForce4, I'd definitely look at the nForce3 250GB as well; some issues were ironed out since the nF3 150s.
Could this be the "dual-core" that Intel demo'd a little while back?
Paul
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6725499508&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:I...
Chris - Better yet, how about Pentrino? ;)
Or Opterino?
tecate - It's really only become an issue with Prescott and its requirement for more substantial and expensive cooling solutions. Are you saying Prescott is that old? ;)
Seriously, some OEMs are probably going to cut it a little too close on thermals with the greater costs, so eventually with dust, etc., it'll become a real issue. Yes, I'm sure Intel has probably provided proper and adequate guidance on proper cooling solutions, but when someone discovers their Intel chip is throttling frequently, is that the kind of PR Intel wants. Good thing for them Prescott's soon to be history.
Paul
tecate - re: "why would it be a problem?"
Oh, I don't know - maybe folks not getting the performance they feel they've paid for?
dacaw - Is DirectX a factor in Itanium's market?
bobs10 - I seriously doubt that 90nm has hit full stride yet. I expect a lot more out of it, both performance-wise and yield/production-wise.
Paul
Anand SLI review
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2284&p=18
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Final Words
From a performance standpoint, SLI is just about as good as it gets. If you have the budget for it, a pair of GeForce 6800GTs will let you run at 1600 x 1200 with 2X or 4X AA enabled in the latest games while still maintaining a very smooth gaming experience – something that no single card is able to do.
The GeForce 6600GT seemed to scale reasonably well, with a pair of 6600GTs outperforming a single 6800 Ultra in Doom 3 and Half Life 2. It doesn’t make too much sense to buy a pair of 6600GTs today however, as you’d be much better off getting a single 6800GT and upgrading to a second one down the road, which brings us to our next point, the upgrade value of SLI.
If NVIDIA is able to get their SLI certification program successful enough and if motherboard manufacturers are able to get SLI boards cheap enough, then the upgrade value of SLI is significant."
Opteron servers up 400% in Q3 :D
http://theinquirer.net/?article=19859
AMD roadmap update
http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amd_intel/links/Roadmaps_001043425965/
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http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_608,00.html
dacaw - Ultimately it may have to do with bandwidth (2 slots vs. 1), but I don't know that they've even begun to approach saturating PCI-Express x16(though IIRC they don't actually both run in x16 mode). Also, for those who've laid down some serious dough for a high-end card, it offers a way to stretch out that "investment", by continuing to use it with another, perhaps less high-end, but later generation card(if they get things to work with non- identical cards, like I've read that ATi is already doing and demoing.
Putting 2 GPUs on one card is bound to get crowded and require more layers in the circuit board, as well as presenting cooling challenges.
Paul
DG - Long time no see! :)
fpg - It says that "This high performance P4 chip is very special, not like other less powerful P4 chips. It must be bathed in liquid nitrogen at all times to ensure maximum performance at all times in all applications." ;)
Paul
Tecate - my point is it's not the product that's doing well for Intel, it's their marketing thereof that's doing the job. There is absolutely nothing particularly special about Centrino except Pentium M, and there are certainly plenty of products available with M that aren't Centrino. I do wish AMD marketed as well as Intel, I'll certainly grant you that!
Paul
tecate - You know very well that the only remarkable thing about Centrino is in the marketing realm. I'd take a Pentium M machine with someone else's networking setup anyday, and save a bundle doing it.
Paul
gollem - re: scars. They don't show much now,even with my quite short hair, though my wife says things look a little "sunken" or "recessed". Oh, well, I was never much to look at anyhow! :) Someone seems to have lost the digital camera, so it may be a while before I can make my "extreme makeover" debut!! ;)
Paul
Yes - though that can be manipulated as well with bridge mods(on K7s), then you can take it up to either that multiple or as far as the chip can go.