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They still don't get it
Aiming at Pornography to Hit Music Piracy
By SAUL HANSELL
The recording industry, struggling to curb music piracy, is shining the spotlight on another demon lurking on the Internet: pornography.
The industry is trying to enlist broader public support with a campaign intended to show that its nemesis — the peer-to-peer networks for swapping files like KaZaA and Morpheus — are used not only to trade songs but also pornographic images, including child pornography.
"As a guy in the record industry and as a parent, I am shocked that these services are being used to lure children to stuff that is really ugly," said Andrew Lack, the chief executive of Sony Music Entertainment.
Others ask whether raising this issue is more than a little cynical from an industry that heavily promotes music with sexual and violent themes.
"The entertainment companies have engaged in a deliberate and despicable campaign of lies to smear peer-to-peer technology for political purposes," said Philip S. Corwin, a lobbyist for Sharman Networks, the publisher of KaZaA, the largest file-sharing service. "They are trying to associate us unfairly with the most vile element in society, child pornography."
Pornography has been actively traded through file-sharing services from their start. But the record labels have recently started lending lobbying and logistical support to antipornography and child protection groups that are raising the issue. For example, Dan Klores Communications, which represents Sony Music and other music clients, has been promoting Parents for Megan's Law, a Long Island group involved with preventing child abuse that has been critical of child pornography available through file-sharing services, like KaZaA.
Their efforts are having some result. A bill has been introduced into the House, with the endorsement of the recording industry, that would require children to get parental consent before using sharing software. And on Tuesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing to look into the connection between file-swapping services and pornography, called by its chairman, Senator Orrin Hatch, a Republican of Utah.
The labels, which blame online piracy for declining music sales, are fighting the downloading services on many fronts. They are trying to make paying for music more attractive through legal downloading services, and in the case of Universal Music Group, the world's largest record company, slashing the price of most its CD's by 30 percent.
They are also trying to turn up the heat on those who continue to download songs without paying for them. This week the Recording Industry Association of America said it was going to start filing hundreds of lawsuits against individuals accused of swapping large numbers of copyrighted songs. The association also is planning to offer an amnesty program that would exempt from prosecution people who destroy all their illegally downloaded songs.
But in perhaps the most extreme sign of the industry's desperation, it is trying to focus the attention of lawmakers and others on how the peer-to-peer, or p2p, services can connect users with a range of ills including computer viruses, software that steals personal information and unwanted pornography.
"P2p stands for piracy to pornography," quipped Mr. Lack.
The file-sharing companies respond that the risk of children seeing pornography inadvertently on their systems is being overstated and that their software is no different from Web browsers and e-mail programs that can be used to find all sorts of material.
Mitch Glazier, the senior vice president for government affairs for the R.I.A.A., says the industry's current calls for parental controls on file-swapping services is not inconsistent with its longstanding defense of the artistic freedom of songwriters.
"We are not trying to stop people from expressing themselves," he said. "We say you should do what we do and give notice and disclosure" as in the labels warning of explicit lyrics on compact disc packages.
The antipornography campaign also puts the music labels in league with the legal pornography industry, which faces some of the same problems from piracy. Titan Media, a San Francisco producer of erotic gay videos, has seen a sharp drop in sales it attributes to file sharing.
"Every movie is traded 10 times the amount it is sold," said Gill Sperlein, Titan's general counsel. Another problem from the file sharing, he said, is that material is available to any user, regardless of age.
"We spend a lot of money and effort trying to make sure our material only gets into the hands of adults," he said.
The bill in the House backed by the music industry — introduced by Representative Joseph R. Pitts, a Republican from Pennsylvania, and Representative Christopher John, a Democrat from Louisiana — would require the file-swapping services to get parental consent before being used by children.
Such a law would face both technological and legal challenges. It envisions a system of "beacons" that parents could place on their computers to prevent the installation of file-sharing software, technology that does not currently exist. Moreover, several of the major file-sharing services are based outside of the United States, making enforcement difficult.
There is no argument that file-sharing services can be used to download pornographic images and videos — both legal and illegal.
A study in March by the General Accounting Office found that KaZaA would be effective for someone looking for child pornography. The agency searched for 12 terms associated with child pornography, such as "incest" and "underage." It did not actually download the files it found, but it determined that 42 percent of them had titles or descriptions associated with pornographic images of children.
A second aspect of its study measured the likelihood a child would inadvertently be exposed to pornography using KaZaA. It examined 157 files downloaded in response to three search terms of interest to children — Britney, Pokémon and Olsen twins. It classified 49 percent of those files as pornographic.
"Our artists' names are being used to lure kids and defraud them into finding pornography," said Mr. Glazier of the R.I.A.A.
The GAO study vastly overstates the likelihood that children searching for popular music will in fact find pornography, according to studies by Public Knowledge, an advocacy group on intellectual property issues.
"We find you don't really accidentally download porn," said Mike Godwin, the group's senior technology counsel.
The file-sharing services say that they are being unfairly singled out and that they are no more a conduit for pornography than e-mail programs, chat rooms, search engines and the Internet itself.
"This has nothing to do with concern about adult material and everything to do with commercial issues," said Alan Morris, executive vice president of Sharman Networks. He said that KaZaA introduced a parental control feature last year that can be used to block searches for pornographic material.
Laura A. Ahearn, the director of Parents for Megan's Law, argues that the file-sharing services are different because their main use is for trading music, an activity that disproportionately appeals to teenagers and young adults.
"KaZaA is just like Joe Camel," she said referring to the cartoon logo that had been used by R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings to promote its Camel cigarette brand. "KaZaA has done an incredible job of attracting young people to their site, and as a result they have been really able to attack children."
The available evidence does not show that pornography on file-sharing systems is growing any faster than through other online vehicles. Indeed, the federally financed child pornography tip line run by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children found that 1.3 percent of the reports of Internet child pornography were related to file-sharing services so far this year, down from 2.1 percent last year. Nearly three-quarters of child pornography reported is on Web sites. The Web sites typically charge fees for access while the file-sharing services are free.
Mr. Morris of Sharman Networks, which is incorporated in the South Pacific island nation of Vanuatu and managed from Australia, said that most of the pornographic material on file-sharing services was not illegal child pornography but legal material intended for adults. Sharman Networks's affiliate in the United States, Altnet, which tries to profit by selling content through KaZaA, does offer some pornographic material for sale.
"While it may not be what you and I choose to do, adult individuals may share material between themselves the same way adults can watch it on cable television or buy it at airports," Mr. Morris said.
Other distributors of pornography have also embraced the file-sharing networks as a promotional vehicle. They distribute sample pictures and videos in an attempt to attract paying customers to their Web sites.
"The adult industry, like others, is against the illegal downloading of their videos," said Gary Kremen, the chief executive of Sex.com, a directory of sexually explicit Web sites, "but they are much smarter than the music industry. They see p2p as money to be made."
ohmygod, indeed!!
friendlyfred is the new assistant?! Well, freddie, you know what to do. Does he now get PM priviledges?
Would some kind soul
post a link for the IFE conference in Seattle? I want to go and meet ALL the personalities. TIA. MH
Street Scene....
Ah, how far the mighty have fallen. It is probably another "opportunity" for chairman Diaz to move some merchandise at the expense of the shareholders.
I think he must enjoy
the social interplay with people like you, Dave. I know that I do. Call these boards what you like; restrict them, filter them, ostracize, villify, hype, slander......helll, it's all entertainment, buddy, and owning the stock isn't the only entry ticket.
Hey fellas......
why don't ya both get up here to the emeril city for that IFE confab? Love to see ya both. MH
"ownership" is a very important
status symbol to kids; especially those who realistically have no access to broadband or even a home computer. These are the very kids.......non-white, urban who MAKE taste for the rest of their generation. They still revere mix (cassette) TAPES!
But they just don't get it!
"Incarcerate 60 million Americans?" Grokster President Wayne Rosso asks. "They just don't get it. Every time they pull a move like this and we get mentioned in the media, more people start file sharing."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0902/p20s01-lehl.html
Entertainment/
ditto, fred!/
I'll say it.....
he's a phoney.
"Falk wrestled back control
right before the annual meeting..." What a laugher that is; he's the CEO, for God's sake. He hired Collier. You can't absolve him of responsibility by smearing frosting over a cake full of worms. He authorized paying Jones stock for the wedigmusic web site. Wasn't he in charge when all of the retail business model plans were formulated? You make it sound like he broke out of the back room where he was being held hostage.
It was just about a year ago
http://www.edigital.com/news/releases/pr082702.html
Good idea, okie/
You must know the same guy!!
Putnam told him it was a buying opportunity when it dropped to 8 bucks. Who knew?
Had they "given away"
the MOS license years ago, instead of making it's use conditional upon design work by the company, perhaps it might have become a global standard instead of the out-manuevered icon that it is today. By the time they got to Toshiba via Steve Volk (DATAPLAY), they were told that Toshiba had no need for them/it. They already could do what MOS offered.
That is exactly what I believe.
"Ya can't sell apples from an empty pushcart." There has got to be some kind of product/service for sale, but it need not come to fruition or especially make any money. This is the history, plain and simple jtd.
"...I personally dont see edig going bankrupt anytime soon"
either fred. It's been "waaay too lucative" for the people laying it.
When commenting on her philandering ex-husband, Granny said "...the pick wears out before the hole." I think the hole will be around for a bit longer than most suspect.
The mistake, I found, was thinking that EDIG was in the DAP or the IFE or whatever flavor-of-the month market they were claiming at the time. The reality is that they are in the OTC-BB Market for all intents and purposes.
A&W and Carrs Crackers/
Woody....the ultimate
backroom manipulator.
LOL! The rabbit died/
Well-designed iPod upstarts
are music for the budget
By Mike Langberg
Knight Ridder Newspapers
Here's a pearl of wisdom for the week: Products that are adequate and inexpensive often triumph over products that are better and cost more.
I'm betting this will prove true in the market for hard-disk portable music players, now dominated by Apple Computer's elegant and expensive iPod.
While Apple has received all kinds of publicity for the iPod, rival Creative Labs has pulled into a tight No. 2 position through its well-designed, if less slick, Nomad Jukebox line. With prices significantly lower than Apple, Creative could pull ahead.
Nomad Jukebox Zen
Creative Labs
Storage: 20 GB (5,000 songs @ 128 kbps) or 60 GB (16,000 songs)
Size: 3 inches wide x 4.4 inches high x 1 inch deep
Weight: 9.5 ounces
How it works: Transfers music and data files from your home PC or Mac using USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 compatible port
Playback formats: MPEG Audio Layer 3 (MP3), Windows Media Audio (WMA) and WAV
Rip CDs? Yes
Battery life: 14 hours of playtime
Price: $299 (20 GB), $399 (60 GB)
Creative is already out front of Apple in capacity; the new Nomad Jukebox Zen (www.creative.com) at $399 offers an awesome 60 gigabytes of storage. Apple's iPod (www.apple.com/ipod) at the same price offers only 15 GB, with a $499 model at 30 GB.
I'm also betting hard-disk players, a niche product today, will become very popular. As more and more people maintain big libraries of digital music on their computers, hard-disk players offer a huge advantage over portable CD players or memory-chip players: You can put your entire music collection in your pocket, not just a small selection of songs.
Creative saw the opportunity first, introducing the original Nomad Jukebox with a 6 GB hard drive at $499 in September 2000. Apple followed with the first iPod in November 2001.
But Creative lacks Apple's not-so-secret weapon: founder, chairman and chief evangelist Steve Jobs. I've watched with equal parts frustration and admiration as Jobs repeatedly unveils Apple products with such flair that otherwise skeptical journalists don't question his assertions — and give their audience the impression Apple is creating pure innovation rather than building on the painstaking work of others.
Which doesn't mean the iPod is undeserving of praise. There's no question in my mind the iPod is the best digital music player on the market today, if money is no object.
The three current iPod models — 10 GB for $299, 15 GB for $399 and 30 GB for $499 — are truly portable; about the size of a pack of playing cards and weighing a mere 5.6 to 6.2 ounces. They run for eight hours on a rechargeable battery and work with either Windows or Macintosh computers. They synchronize with iTunes software on the Mac or MusicMatch on Windows to automatically transfer any new music on your computer into the iPod.
iPod
Apple Computer
Storage: 10 GB (2,500 songs @ 128kbps), 15 GB (3,700 songs), 30 GB (7,500 songs)
Size: 2.4 inches wide x 4.1 inches high x 0.6 inch deep (10 GB, 15 GB); 2.4 x 4.1 x 0.7 (30 GB)
Weight: 5.6 ounces (30 GB model is 6.2 ounces)
How it works: Transfers music and data files from your home PC or Mac using USB 2.0 dock connector and wired remote connector
Playback formats: AAC, AIFF for Mac, MP3 and WAV for Mac and Windows
Rip CDs? Yes
Battery life: 8 hours of playtime
Price: $299 (10 GB), $399 (15 GB), $499 (30 GB)
Even 10 GB is more capacity than most people need, enough to hold 250 to 300 music CDs converted to the compressed MP3 format.
Creative, meanwhile, has been pushing down prices. A few months ago, with little fanfare, Creative broke through the $200 price point with its 10 GB Nomad Jukebox 2 at $199 — occasionally discounted with rebates to as little as $149. The Jukebox 2 is considerably bigger than the iPod and somewhat heavier, but it's a bargain.
The Jukebox Zen line, consisting of a 20 GB model for $299 and the 60 GB model at $399, is a much closer match to the iPod.
I borrowed the 60 GB model, available only by ordering directly from Creative's Web site and in such demand that it's often out of stock, and found much to like.
The Zen is about a half-inch wider, higher and thicker than the iPod, and at 9.5 ounces is about a third heavier. The LCD window that displays information on the music stored inside is smaller, and the control wheel and buttons for navigating to your selection are tiny and awkward.
But, aside from the slight extra heft and somewhat longer time to find individual tracks, the Zen played back my 5.3 GB collection of MP3 music with no problems. The battery life, at 14 hours, also exceeds iPod.
The Zen even has some features Apple's iPod lacks. Unlike the iPod, the Zen will play Microsoft's WMA format and can make voice recording with an optional wired remote that costs $69. Both the Zen and iPod, by the way, can store data files as well as music, acting like an external hard drive for your computer.
I haven't yet bought a portable hard-disk music player, although I'm interested. When I do take the plunge, I'm not going to spend $300 or $400 or $500. So, unless Apple makes a sudden and unexpected change in strategy, I probably won't be buying an iPod. Creative's adequate and inexpensive line will meet my needs.
Meanwhile, competition is gradually picking up. Although Apple and Creative are the only two big contenders today in portable hard-disk players, more than half-dozen other companies offer one or two models, including Archos (www.archos.com), Philips (www.consumer.philips.com), RCA (www.rca.com) and Toshiba (www.tacp.toshiba.com).
By the end of September, two more companies are expected to roll out products: Rio (www.rioaudio.com), formerly part of the defunct Sonicblue and now re-emerging under new ownership, and Samsung (www.samsungusa.com).
redwing: Just a friendly reminder...
"gullible" is not in the dictionary. Here, look it up for yourself
http://www.m-w.com/home.htm
"...yet has to borrow money
from the CEO at 24% interest in order to make 200 players...."
Yup. That was pretty skeezix; the whole bunch of these guys musta met at a lap dance club.
Cell phone # for Collier?/
Link to Agora board, please/
seems a little 'arsh, HH;
I don't think Falk is the guy who clipped yer money. His presence has made it easier, though, IMO.
I think that Mr. Falk
serves at the pleasure of Mr. Norris. If he (W.N.)doesn't personally own a controlling interest in the company, I'd be surprised. FF is the perfect man for the job, although you may not think so. He's affable, self-effacing, identifiable, bland, believable and non-threatening. One day we should chain list all of his gaffes for some nostalgic giggles.
I bet he was the "life of the party" at those SDMI shindigs!
Does Norris see it that way?/
The world has changed for Ernst & Young
By Carrie Johnson
The Washington Post
A year ago, the Sarbanes-Oxley Act created an entirely new system for regulating accountants, an attempt to transform them into better watchdogs who could prevent the kind of massive financial scandals that pummeled investors in recent years.
Stunned by the public outcry against auditors and the flurry of shareholder lawsuits and regulatory probes, major accounting firms have been struggling since then to reshape themselves. They have improved training for auditors, backed away from some types of businesses and started to craft new kinds of relationships with clients.
A look into the operations of one of the influential Big Four accounting firms, Ernst & Young, illustrates that a number of changes in the audit process are working as lawmakers had hoped. Ernst partners say that in disputes with clients, the partners have more clout with client boards of directors. Some partners say corporate executives are more willing to share details about complex deals than in the past. And most clients have agreed to pay for more extensive audits.
Ernst's experience also reflects how difficult it can be to try to shift gears in a mammoth company at a time when new rules are not yet written, key court cases have not been decided and scandals keep erupting. One partner said the ongoing news coverage of Ernst's troubles makes him sick to his stomach. Others resent that the firm has to give up business they consider legitimate, because of negative publicity.
Ernst partners are braced for the news to get worse. Congressional hearings in September will examine Ernst's audit of troubled HealthSouth, and the SEC staff is trying to get Ernst barred from accepting new public clients for six months because of its relationship with a software company in the 1990s.
Meanwhile, partners say that as audits get tougher, more problems will be uncovered, and they fear the accounting profession will get the blame for not catching the problems sooner rather than the credit for catching them now. Auditors have come to be seen as "silent accomplices" because they failed to uncover corporate fraud, investor advocate Patrick McGurn said. The nation's other three major accounting firms, PricewaterhouseCoopers, KPMG and Deloitte & Touche, are also under scrutiny for at least one high-profile audit failure each.
"Investors right now are having a tough time putting a wall between the past and what's going forward," said Beth Brooke, vice chairman of Ernst. "What's problematic is, for the next 12 months probably we're going to see more cleansing in the marketplace."
Clients, meanwhile, are jittery, making frequent calls to their auditors. In the past, accountants generally reviewed financial records a few times each year to prepare the annual report and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Ernst partner Jim Logothetis said he now hears from directors and corporate managers who want to run practically everything with numbers past him — quarterly reports, press releases and documents prepared for important meetings.
Working for a major accounting firm these days feels like being a piñata, said Mark Weinberger, the head of Ernst's tax practice and a former Treasury Department official. He tries to reassure rattled younger employees that this will pass, that Ernst is just the current "flavor of the month."
But some Ernst partners remember how Arthur Andersen officials assumed that the firm's problems were temporary until a federal indictment last year sent its clients fleeing and caused the accounting powerhouse to quickly collapse.
Some partners said they think often about Andersen's fate. They said they were amazed that during Andersen's criminal trial, prosecutors pointed to the fact that top Andersen auditors accompanied Enron leaders on golf outings and trips to sunny conference spots as supposed proof the auditors were too cozy with their clients.
One Ernst partner said he started worrying that if he were ever deposed, a plaintiff's lawyer might look at his appointment book and point to weeks of lunches with a client. He wondered if a jury would see that as evidence that he failed to be a tough auditor. He has started insisting that he split the lunch check with his clients.
"In the old days you used to think it'd be great to be so experienced, knowing the client's business," said Susan Frieden, Ernst vice chairman for quality. "It used to be terrific to have a good relationship with your client, so they would talk to you and tell you a lot of things. The world has changed. Perceptions have changed."
E-Mail Stock Tip
Tests Limits of Securities Laws
By ADAM LIPTAK
IT seemed like a pretty hot stock tip. About a year ago, thousands of subscribers to financial newsletters received an e-mail message claiming that a certain company's share price would double after an announcement at a summit meeting in St. Petersburg, Russia.
There was, of course, a catch. To learn the name of the company, recipients of the message would have to pony up $1,000. In mid-May 2002, about 1,200 people did just that. Before long, trading volume surged and the company's stock price spiked. But the summit meeting came and went without the announcement, and the stock fell back down close to its original price.
The Securities and Exchange Commission has since sued the author of the e-mail message and his employer for securities fraud. If the suit is successful, it will be the first to use the securities laws against commentary about a company in which the authors had no financial stake.
The defendants are Frank Porter Stansberry and Agora Inc., which publishes books and newsletters in Baltimore and says it had more than $100 million in sales last year. They have filed a motion to dismiss the suit, arguing that the First Amendment protects their publications no less than mainstream financial journalism.
Allowing the suit, they wrote in court papers, "would expose newspapers, broadcasts, newsletters, Web sites and every other form of communication about investment opportunities to the chill of civil liability under the nation's securities laws for the publication of any allegedly false statement."
Judge Marvin J. Garbis of Federal District Court in Baltimore will hear the motion this fall and may answer what another federal judge called an open and tantalizing question a quarter-century ago.
"Could there ever be a case where a newspaper which has no financial interest in a securities transaction could be found liable for a violation of" the securities laws "because of a false report bearing on securities offered for sale?" Judge Charles L. Brieant asked in 1977. The question remains open.
Though one of the defining features of the laws governing securities fraud is that the false statements must be made "in connection with the purchase or sale of securities," the S.E.C. concedes in court papers that the defendants never owned the stock of the company that they talked about. Their fraud was, according to the S.E.C., a more conventional one: they lied about the product they sold. Because that lie concerns a security, the S.E.C. says, it amounts to securities fraud.
An S.E.C. official said that comparisons to more conventional journalism were misguided.
"A Money magazine article about `10 Stocks to Buy Tomorrow,' " said Kenneth D. Israel Jr., the district administrator of the S.E.C.'s Salt Lake City office, which is bringing the suit, "is based just on analysis of the companies, whereas here they said they had inside information about a specific deal. And the information was false."
Mr. Stansberry's e-mail message and the report it marketed did indeed refer to inside information. But his lawyers say that he used the term in a colloquial and descriptive sense rather than a legal one, and they note that the S.E.C. has not alleged any illegal trading.
The e-mail message itself described information about an impending deal passed along to Mr. Stansberry by "a high-level corporate executive — someone definitely in a position to know."
People willing to pay $1,000 learned the name of the company: USEC Inc., a Maryland company that supplies enriched uranium fuel to commercial nuclear power plants. It buys bomb-grade uranium taken from dismantled Russian nuclear warheads. Mr. Stansberry's report predicted that a new pricing agreement between USEC and a Russian counterpart would be approved at the summit meeting on May 22, 2002.
Mr. Stansberry eventually revealed that his source had been Steven Wingfield, the company's director of investor relations. In a deposition, Mr. Wingfield acknowledged talking with Mr. Stansberry and discussing the meeting in St. Petersburg between President Bush and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. But he denied having or giving him specific information.
"I don't remember my words precisely," Mr. Wingfield said, "but I think that the answer I gave him was that the agreement needed to be approved by the U.S. and Russian governments and those were the presidents of those governments and the matter could come up."
Mr. Stansberry's report was more premature than inaccurate. The predicted deal did materialize, on June 19, 2002, but the stock price did not move significantly in reaction to it. The day before, after the deal cleared a hurdle with the Energy Department, the stock did rise 12 percent.
"So Stansberry was five weeks late, and that's a federal case?" asked Matthew J. Turner, a lawyer at Agora.
People who bought the stock in the week after Mr. Stansberry's report became available paid $7.61 to $10.20 a share. When the deal failed to materialize on May 22, 2002, the share price fell to $8.20 from $9.10. Those who bought at the top might have lost a bit of money, Agora's lawyers said, but there were no significant financial losses.
A spokeswoman for USEC had little to say about the lawsuit or Mr. Stansberry.
"We did see the false statements," said the spokeswoman, Mari Angeles Major-Sosia. "We advised our investors that he did not have correct information. But USEC is not involved in the lawsuit. It's the S.E.C.'s role to correct his actions."
Mr. Stansberry was traveling in Europe last week and was unavailable for comment. One of his lawyers, Bruce W. Sanford, praised his enthusiasm.
E'S a young, creative guy," Mr. Sanford said. "He's got a lot of hustle. His language is not the sort of bland analysis you might expect from a Wall Street investment house or a dispassionate report in a daily newspaper. It's the excitement, the enthusiasm, the fun you get with investment newsletters."
Mr. Stansberry, 30, described his qualifications at his deposition.
"I worked at various times in college in the fields of pizza delivery and lifeguarding," he said. He started at Agora in 1996 as a file clerk.
Mr. Turner, the lawyer at Agora, said that 200 people who bought the report asked for and got their money back.
"Unlike the S.E.C.," he said, "not one single customer has even so much as threatened a lawsuit."
Yer right, wanna......
question mark (and the mysterians)
Here's a "hot" one
http://imesh.com/ Pretty slick, all the kids say, but it's a path I no longer travel.
The future is now, newe.
Here's a major CE Co's jukebox offering
http://www.goodguys.com/adtemplate.asp?invky=349360&catky=162625
....and here's one that I guess you've overlooked
http://www.save2much.com/buy/search/RCA_RD2820_Lyra_HD_Jukebox_w_20_GB_Hard_Disc_Drive
The Main Ingredient, ske
skeballarry - That's the Foundations;
great choices on the R&B tip.
Where's that Don Covay, wanto?/
Doni: If Toshiba
and edigital announced a similar funding for the old mOS mojo, you would be falling all over yourselves with joy. Think about it; here is a company that managed to get some investment capital from one of the major CE companies in the world. They're a competitor of edigital, in fact. Respect due, brother.
I've followed your "expertise" on these "technical" matters for several years, now. Quite frankly, I was shocked by your lack of ability to do simple math several weeks ago in your discourse with rollingrock over Putnam's options purchase. The pps was $.21, as I recall. He bought half a million at a dime and you suggested.........
http://investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=1124588
What's up with that?