"But let's not put people in a panic for something
that has not been scientifically proven."

rooster, it has been clearly proven that we CONTRIBUTE
to something which presents a danger to us in the long term.

are you still disputing that?

and how about serious concern .. who the hell is panicking?

as to the argument that our contribution isn't making any
difference so our cutting won't well you can cling to that,
but the evidence is against you there, also.

sure you're not just stuck in an ideological group
and being carried helter skelter downstream as fast
as it carry you?

Don't it make sense that we should
take every precaution we can for
the well being of those who follow?

G'day ghosts .. an exercise in the exercise of
patience, but it makes it's point at the end.

Don't see how anybody cannot
oppose this military push

Crackers if you don't ..

G'day ghosts .. an exercise in the exercise of
patience, but it makes it's point at the end.

Don't see how anybody cannot
oppose this military push

Crackers if you don't ..

your not serious .. c'mon fair go ..
just interested in how it works

maybe, you do work for the company
never asked you before .. do you rally?

oops really as the rally
in some other place. ha ha ummm

have to do some HW on that as not in your system
and don't know what exactly blocking votes are.

If i thought it was not good for the
country, if I were there I would
question them I'd say from your question.

Hey, was going to have a nap.
Chord C, the 3rd and the easiest.
In the fulcrum .. nice balance ..

can't you see it?.. serioulsy two
legs and slightly elongated body?

hey wick, how you doing?

And about your flipping that's ok with me as part of the game i
know now, but couldn't you guys get out of the water a bit higher
then I could have a go .. remember you told me to do that, but
you big dolphins just take the tiny jumps out of the water.

Getting Kicked in the Balls (41%)

OUCH, he is hurting!

I see a heart dancing.

Yep, you picked the one Kongi. ... SH in a speech
to an Arab League meeting said that the economic war
against him was so severe that he wondered if he would
be able to buy diapers, think it was, in the future.

He said you don't need guns to conduct a war and there
wasn't much left of the country by the time Bush's
bombs blasted the bedevils out of it.

The poor and their children suffer the most.

BUSHIES BLOCK VOTE

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent 7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republicans blocked a full-fledged Senate debate over
Iraq on Monday, but Democrats vowed they would eventually find a way to force
President Bush to change course in a war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,000 U.S. troops.


"We must heed the results of the November elections and the wishes of the American people," said Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record).

Reid, D-Nev., spoke moments before a vote that sidetracked a nonbinding measure expressing disagreement with Bush's plan to deploy an additional 21,500 troops to Iraq. The 49-47 vote was 11 short of the 60 needed to go ahead with debate, and left the fate of the measure uncertain.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (news, bio, voting record) of Kentucky described the test vote as merely a "bump in the road" that could possibly be overcome within hours. GOP lawmakers "welcome the debate and are happy to have it," he said, adding they were insisting on equal treatment for an alternative measure expected to draw strong support.

The proposal, by Sen. Judd Gregg (news, bio, voting record), R-N.H., says Congress should neither cut nor eliminate funding for troops in the field. That measure takes no position on the war or the president's decision to deploy additional forces.

The political jockeying unfolded as bombings and mortar attacks killed dozens across Baghdad amid indications that a much-awaited operation to restore peace to the capital is gearing up. Bush announced last month he would beef up U.S. troop deployments to work alongside Iraqi units in an attempt to quell sectarian violence.

Democrats sought passage of a measure, supported by Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), R-Va., that is critical of the administration's new Iraq policy. It was the first time Democrats had scheduled a sustained debate on the war since they won control over Congress in last fall's midterm elections.

"The American people do not support escalation. Last November, voters made it clear they want a change of course, not more of the same," said Reid. "The president must hear from Congress, so he knows he stands in the wrong place, alone."

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, echoed Reid. "If the Republicans want to stand by their president and his policy, they shouldn't run from this debate. If they believe we should send thousands of our young soldiers into the maws of this wretched civil war, they should at least have the courage to stand and defend their position," he said.

But Gregg differed with them. "We should not take action once soldiers have been sent into the field and are putting their lives at risk," he said. "We should not be saying to them through a resolution, which is nonbinding, that we don't think the mission you're on makes sense and we don't want you to do it."

Republican Sens. Susan Collins (news, bio, voting record) of Maine and Norm Coleman (news, bio, voting record) of Minnesota sided with Democrats on the vote. Reid switched sides at the end, a step that allows him to call for a new roll call at his discretion. Otherwise, Democrats voted to go ahead with debate and Republicans voted not to; Sens. Tim Johnson (news, bio, voting record), D-S.D., Mary Landrieu (news, bio, voting record), D-La., Mel Martinez (news, bio, voting record), R-Fla., and John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., did not vote.

The war has claimed the lives of more than 3,000 U.S. military personnel so far, and costs are counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars. The administration has asked Congress for $245 billion more to cover the costs of the conflict through 2008.

Political maneuvering surrounding the issue has been intense, and White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the administration supports "Sen. McConnell's and the Republicans' right to be able to offer the amendments they want to offer."

Behind the procedural quarrel lay uncertainty about the verdict the Senate would ultimately reach on Bush's decision to send 21,500 additional troops.

Democrats hoped to gain enough Republican votes to pass the measure expressing disagreement with Bush's decision, and to send the commander in chief an extraordinary wartime rebuke on a bipartisan vote.

It was an outcome that the White House and Senate Republican leadership hoped to avoid. They concentrated on a relatively small number of swing votes, many of them belonging to GOP senators expected to be on the ballot in 2008.

Gregg's alternative said Congress should not take "any action that will endanger United States military forces in the field, including the elimination or reduction of funds for troops in the field, as such an action with respect to funding would undermine their safety or harm their effectiveness in pursuing their assigned missions."

The measure advanced by Democrats and Warner said the same thing, but it also said the Senate "disagrees with the `plan' to augment our forces by 21,500 and urges the president instead to consider all options and alternatives."

Republicans and Democrats carried out their clash as 10 members of "Code Pink," an anti-war group, were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct during a protest in front of McCain's office in a building across the street from the Capitol. "They were absolutely compliant, peaceful," Sgt. Kimberly Schneider said of the protesters.

McCain, a likely Republican presidential candidate, opposes the measure expressing disagreement with the increase in troops.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070206/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

Sanctions Against Zimbabwe - a Complex Matter
STAFF | New Zimbabwe | March 16, 2004
"The United Nations Secretary-General, Koffi Annan, wrote in his Millennium Report: 'When robust and comprehensive economic sanctions are directed against authoritarian regimes, a different problem is encountered. Then it is usually the people who suffer, not the political elites whose behaviour triggered the sanctions in the first place.'"

PIUS Ncube, Archbishop of Bulawayo and an outspoken critic of the Zimbabwean Government, recently called on the South African leaders to cut off electricity supplies to its northern neighbour in order to force President Mugabe to the negotiating table.

He said sanctions, similar to those imposed on apartheid South Africa should be instituted against Zimbabwe. In a radio interview Ncube said: 'Zimbabwe is owing billions in electricity (bills). They just would need to be told: 'Hey you people, settle your affairs or else we cut off'.

Then Mugabe would be forced to dialogue with the opposition because Mugabe is refusing to talk to them.'

This is not the first time the call for more stringent sanctions against the Zimbabwean government has gone out. Over the past two years the idea that South Africa, which supplies Zimbabwe with electricity, should turn off the switch has been levelled on numerous occasions. In the face of an authoritarian regime, sanctions seem to be the most obvious and effective means to force a government to reconsider its actions. However, there are some complex issues to consider - sometimes they create human rights abuses of their own. In order to help bring the terrible current human rights abuses in Zimbabwe to an end, to what extent do we take risks in extending sanctions.

According to a June 2000 report of the Sub-Commission on the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights of the United Nations entitled 'The Adverse Consequences of Economic Sanctions on the Enjoyment of Human Rights' (otherwise known as the Bossuyt Report), the guiding theory behind economic sanctions is that these will put economic pressure on civilians who will thus put pressure on a government for change.

Cutting off the supply of electricity and other necessary goods (petrol, to name one) to Zimbabwe would create the 'economic pressure' proponents of comprehensive economic sanctions speak of, but at what cost to ordinary Zimbabweans? The Bossuyt report argues that 'under sanctions, the middle class is eliminated, the poor get poorer, and the rich get richer as they take control of smuggling and the black market. The Government and elite can actually benefit economically from sanctions, owing to this monopoly on illegal trade.' The report cites a number of commentators who have demonstrated that, 'in the long run, as democratic participation, independent institutions and the middle class are weakened, and as social disruption leaves the population less able to resist the Government, the possibility of democracy shrinks. In sum, the civilian suffering that is believed to be the effective factor in comprehensive economic sanctions renders those sanctions ineffectual, even reinforcing the Government and its policies'.

The United Nations Secretary-General, Koffi Annan, wrote in his Millennium Report: 'When robust and comprehensive economic sanctions are directed against authoritarian regimes, a different problem is encountered. Then it is usually the people who suffer, not the political elites whose behaviour triggered the sanctions in the first place.'

According to research conducted by the Bossuyt report, only about a third of all sanctions can boast even 'partial' success, while others have cited a 'dismal' 2 per cent success rate for sanctions against authoritarian regimes.

Sanctions are, in essence, a 'middle ground' option - more severe than verbal condemnations but falling short of the use of force, the report states. There are a wide range of sanction options, from economic to diplomatic to cultural. Economic sanctions include trade sanctions, such as selective or comprehensive economic sanctions; financial (blocking government assets abroad and its access to financial markets); and travel, targeting individuals or groups. Military sanctions are essentially arms embargoes. Diplomatic sanctions target state rulers or may include sanctions such as, for example, the refusal to allow the apartheid South Africa government to participate in the United Nations to further its diplomatic isolation. According to the report, financial sanctions alone have a greater success than trade sanctions or combined trade and financial sanctions.

As a fallout of the highly criticised comprehensive economic sanctions imposed against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, 'smart' or 'targeted' sanctions have become the preferred way of imposing sanctions on authoritarian regimes in order to bring them in line with human rights and humanitarian law. Targeted economic sanctions, particularly targeted financial sanctions, are regarded as a more effective tool than comprehensive economic sanctions. These may target the personal foreign assets and access to foreign financial markets of members of a government, the ruling elite, or members of the military. It usually includes the freezing of assets of government-owned businesses; investment in those businesses may be prohibited. Further, imports of luxury goods and other goods primarily consumed by the ruling elite can be banned.

The European Union recently extended its travel ban on ruling members of the Zimbabwean regime from 79 individuals to 95. The EU sanctions also include the freezing of these individuals' assets in countries that are members of the Union. The United States government has imposed a blanket ban on more than 200 Zimbabwean officials linked to the ruling Zanu-PF, freezing the assets of such high-ranking government officials as Information Minister Jonathan Moyo. According to a report in the state-owned Herald newspaper, Moyo dismissed the new US sanctions, telling the 'imperialists' to 'go to hell'.

His attitude echoes the general response of Zimbabwe's ruling elite who, at least in public, greet the news of sanctions with calculated nonchalance. Many argue that turning off the electricity supply would be far more effective than banning Mugabe and his allies from travelling to Europe or freezing their assets (if they can be found) in the United States, particularly since reports of the elite's shopping trips to the Far East appear in news reports with disconcerting regularity. The Bossuyt report argues that the right to impose sanctions is not unlimited in human rights and humanitarian law and recommends a 'six-pronged test' for sanctions, which must undergo periodic review.

1. Are the sanctions imposed for valid reasons?

2. Do the sanctions target the proper parties?

3. Do the sanctions target the proper goods or objects?

4. Are the sanctions reasonably time-limited?

5. Are the sanctions effective?

6. Are the sanctions free from protest arising from violations of the 'principles of humanity and the dictates of the public conscience'?

Sanctions must abide by human rights and humanitarian law and internationally and regionally recognised charters (including the African Charter on Human and People's Rights and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights). If they fail the above test or violate international human rights, then sanctions may be having an adverse effect. As much as it may be tempting to use more comprehensive economic sanctions against Zimbabwe and as frustrating as it is to see the ruling elite snub its collective nose at the sanctions imposed against them, the international community must bear the rights of every innocent Zimbabwean man, woman and child in mind, when assessing which sanctions to impose on Zimbabwe.

This column is provided by the International Bar Association - an organisation that represents the Law Societies and Bar Associations around the world, and works to uphold the rule of law. For further information, visit the website www.ibanet.org
www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/ba11.1546.htmlE-mail this article

http://www.why-war.com/news/2004/03/16/sanction.html

tanks.

And The KIng returned and flip-flopped
after 30 y.. condemned the niggers and then ..

22 min .. FUNNY ..

http://video.ozcentral.com.au/Animation/Boondocks-Return--King-107/

Hunraken, the eeeeeeeviiiiilllll spirit ..

How God doth vent his fury,George,
at the, reprehensible acts
we done .. an' doing in his name.

Duh, Dick, dovey old bud
it is dastardly windy outside.

GB? What? George!!! Bastard!!!
Global Bombing? Nope, Global Babies.
Uhhhhh? We promote mums nad dads to have
babies, they all breath in more of that
carbon d stuff and shoot out more OXY fur us.

George .. yes? GET FUCKED.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/202344.stm

Snagged one quickly in Edit time, boss.
Just threw the line in and hauled one out.

oops oops ...... sorry.

Done in Edit time, boss.

Another diamond, ta St (saving energy) ... thanks for the music

listening odd momentos

Individualism .. evolution many gods to one .. break up USSR .. Yugoslavia ..
invade Middle East .. create UN then work for it's demise ..

Many gods to one .. many governments to one ..
............................................................

Review if the Wall Street Shuffle .. old dance ..

"The big financial firms are still rife with conflicts that put
their own interests, and those of big banking clients, ahead of
everyone else's."

"To be sure, the stock market remains one of the best places
for millions of Americans to invest for the long term,
particularly in diversified portfolios. After all, returns
from stock funds over the long run handily beat risk-free
havens like bank certificates of deposit. And for many people,
the market has become their only real option for saving for
retirement, as more companies eliminate traditional pensions
and replace them with 401(k) plans."

"During the 1990s, brokerage firms, regulators and lawmakers
agreed to tear down the legal barriers that forced commercial
bankers and investment bankers to operate independently. Wall
Street quickly sought out merger partners, creating behemoths
like Citigroup and JPMorgan Chase."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6700786/site/newsweek/

Would be the pollution in the atmosphere and the relativity
argument those in opposition to the debate on global warming
kicks in.

See if i can find a link .. maybe something here .. the Soviets
were first so that could be an early reason...

http://www.uic.com.au/nip50.htm

nap time .. chao

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) February 2, 2007, released its long-awaited report assessing the human link to pollution, global warming and climate change.

REUTERS/Arnd Wiegmann/Files</p>
Global warming to hit poor worst, says U.N.'s Ban

By Daniel Wallis

NAIROBI (Reuters) - The world's poor, who are the least responsible for global warming, will suffer the most from climate change, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon told environment ministers from around the world on Monday.

"The degradation of the global environment continues unabated ... and the effects of climate change are being felt across the globe," Ban said in a statement after last week's toughest warning yet mankind is to blame for global warming.

In comments read on his behalf at the start of a major week-long gathering in the Kenyan capital Nairobi, Ban said all countries would feel the adverse impact of climate change.
ADVERTISEMENT (article continues below)

"But it is the poor, in Africa and developing small island states and elsewhere, who will suffer the most, even though they are the least responsible for global warming."

Experts say Africa is the lowest emitter of the greenhouse gases blamed for rising temperatures, but due to its poverty, under-development and geography, has the most to lose under dire predictions of wrenching change in weather patterns.

Desertification round the Sahara and the shrinking of Mount Kilimanjaro's snow-cap have become potent symbols in Africa of the global environment crisis.

U.N. environment agencies have been lobbying Ban to play a leading role in the hunt for a successor to the Kyoto Protocol on cutting greenhouse gases, which expires in 2012.

Ringing in the ears of delegates at Monday's start of talks attended by nearly 100 nations was last week's warning by a U.N. panel that there was a more than 90 percent chance humans were behind most of the warming in the past five decades.

"CREATIVE" SOLUTIONS

Governments are under huge pressure to act on the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which forecast more storms, droughts, heatwaves and rising seas.

U.N. officials hope the report will spur nations -- particularly the United States, the top emitter -- and companies to do more to cut greenhouse gases, released mainly by cars, factories and power plants fuelling modern lifestyles.

Kenyan Vice President Moody Awori told delegates it was now clear Africa would face the "most severe impacts" of climate change, and he called on the United Nations to devise special initiatives and action plans for the continent.

Achim Steiner, head of the U.N. Environment Programme (UNEP) hosting the talks, said globalization was eating world resources while not delivering the benefits expected of it.

But there were many examples of sustainable management from the certification of resources like timber and fish to avoid illegal exploitation, to "creative" financial mechanisms such as the rapidly-expanding carbon market, Steiner added.

"We need to harness the power of the consumer, match calls for international regulation from the private sector

and set realistic standards ... for the globalize markets," he said.


As well as globalization, this week's UNEP Governing Council talks will focus on the growing threat from mercury pollution, the rising demand for biofuels and U.N. reforms.

And for the first time, it drew officials from other agencies, including World Trade Organization boss Pascal Lamy.

"Sustainable development is no longer an option, it is a must," Lamy said. "The WTO stands ready to do its part."

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=69650A619AF368C12A6EE24947AD7572

Ha , enjoyed them .. the first

had read lucky couldn't there

the 2nd interesting ..

sent them to a couple so far ...

like this ...

sorry about the video ..

"He said the vice president and the secretary of defense created
a "Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal" that hijacked U.S. foreign policy.

He said of former defense undersecretary Douglas Feith: "Seldom
in my life have I met a dumber man.""


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/19/AR2005101902246.html

music through a friend

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2792614

Chris ta .. Jimmy just fine

"Right now, too many influential interests -- Wall Street, oil companies,
large corporations and their stock-selling insiders --are making too much money" ..

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=16770103

control .. distrust .. paranoia .. racism ..
greed .. long term agendas .. a mosquito ..
is a treat to national security

Anybody like Bailey's Irish Cream ..
duty free and delicious ..

"Iran would be committing suicide
to threaten the US directly"

or Israel .. yep, so why the buildup?

Easy's radio link .. suggested the 18th?

Dark night ..

He's good.

http://www.math.missouri.edu/~rich/tarpley/20070127Tarpley2Hrs.mp3

http://www.math.missouri.edu/~rich/tarpley/20070203Tarpley2Hrs.mp3

Zonk .. hi lx, what a photo!

Good factual stuff, thanks Steph.

Can see those little clocks jumping
over those fences yep, time sure flies.

shit is.. just gotta do what you feel

yep, it's bloody tough ..

Fear Bush dialogue would/will not be sincere ..
The last thing Iran wants is war .. even an
"egotistical madman" .. except oops ... Bush
and others .. israel could shoot down anything
iran served up it's rhetoric from Iran for
domestic consumption .. propaganda machines
spending millions .. but iran is weak and no
threat to anybody .. if the yanks attack it will
be simply to consolidate therir position in the
region by installing someone more friendly to them ..

though, as suggested before, they were chums in Kosovo ..

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

"It's man that will be recycled." ..

the Beeeeeeooooooooootiful !!! was for you there, and for

"i was implying that it wouldn't be difficult for mother nature
to swat humankind, much as the ease of which we would swat a fly" ... LOVELY

"I do love that metal storm handgun though!" ouch ..

"maybe this is fate" .. umm I don't think "fate" has much to do with it ..
if any such thing exists .. there is a pattern in history .. they broke the USSR
with the cold war and similar fraud in defense contracts and suppliers et all, back then ..
eg Defence would pay somebody $2.50 for a 5 cent screw ..

seems history is being repeated .. worked once why not again?

AND THAT'S WHAT SOME ARE WORKING HARD TO PREVENT ...

with a chuckle, eh from one who
is/was/is a bit obtuse and unclear ..

just gotta stray a bit
sometimes might have been better

i mean me ..

">>>knowing full well UN inspectors were in the middle of finding out whether the war was even necessary<<<

is without any merit what-so-ever"

How come hap, if they had been left relatively independent without intelligence
(CIA) infiltration .. obvious to some others involved .. might say open infiltration ..

and they had been able to say that SH was no threat then what is the result of that finding?

Scott Ritter, by memory said that they had destroyed all capabilities all threats .. ED .. think he said
all possible ... did not say any threat had existed .. last thing SH wanted was war and Iran don't either ..

just perhaps the only finding that was possible was that there
was no threat .. so Saddam was given an offer they knew he
would not .. could not comply with .. that's why the offer was
made ..

why were the inspectors withdrawn?

so they could go to war .. and they did ..

PLAUSIBLE? .. think that's kinda what happened. Hew many leaflet's have you guys dropped so far in that %50+ destabilizing millions? How many officials of a democratically elected .. perhaps even more so than yours' (just a pop-in thought there) ...

Why were they withdrawn before their mission? Not opinion.

"Every other factor for the overthrow of SH is still applicable"

YEAH ONE .. REGIME CHANGE .. HAP, JUST WHEN DID THAT ENTER THE ARENA AS A JUSTIFICATION ..
A REASON .. THEY WERE SCRATCHIN' BY THEN AS FIRST ONES WERE DISCREDITED ... WEREN'T THEY?

hap?

"After 9/11, what would your biggest mistake be, would
you say, and what lessons have you learned from it?"

that I have not performed as I should have

that i have to get off my ass and do more

of what is right.


thanks seabass for your input
SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZ ..

HE IS REALLY A BAD GUY .. gotta convince more ..

seeds of iHub .. dissemination ..

ta

ML .. thanks for the stuff on Kosove ..

haven't read it yet, but have plenty before and will be interesting if yours are the same slant.

thankyou, just what the doctor ordered .. now i know

where he stands in the pecking order

how he makes cracks which could be taken as a joke or seriously,
but of course meant to bolster one political ideology against
another

something of his personal predilections ..

his current topics

Know him now much better for who he is .. ta.

"They refuse to provide the recommended security-measures for the nation’s nuclear power plants from terrorist attack,

they waged a bitter battle over legislation that required the checking of cargo coming into US ports.

They even fought congress on the issue of air-port screeners following the attacks on 9-11?!?

now they’re spending millions on drills for a potential outbreak of Bird Flu? Why?

Why this sudden interest in the health and welfare of the American people?"

New Orleans marked millions missing. Iraq millions missing.

SO WHY?

"Pete Taylor, a 69 year old retired general who spent 34 years running war games for the Pentagon and now does it for MPRI, a consulting group with many former military officers on staff.”

PAPUA NEW GUINEA SCANAL I THINK .. MPRI ... was formerly known as Military Professionals Resources Inc... New York Times “America’s For-Profit Secret Army” Leslie Wayne 10-13-02)
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/peacekpg/training/mercenaries.htm

"“War games”?!? Is that what this is?"

"why are former military officers overseeing drills that are needed to best protect the American people from an epidemic?"

As Brezinzski said .. another incident??

They give me the creeps too.

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/344/2/

Why not a world which sits in some equilibrium .. where
everyone is concerned with people and human dignity for all
other ..

why not" .. because it could never be ...

not prepared to along with polluting the earth with nuclear
waste until the current system of corruption and denial is
extinct so guess will be against that til de endo fendo.

"It's man that will be recycled.' aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh,
beeootiful .. and unbelievingly we have fellow .. fellow .. he
he fellow 'umans who think other's lives are worth no more
than flies ..

THE WAR MACHINE IS THE SWATTER .. those who adore seem to be
still in the grip of some bestial??? unconscious drive .. the
hero archetype .. maybe .. it's friggin' hard to understand.

On global warming I just reckon if we got fire underneath us
and fire above then we just gotta minimize our contribution ..
go with science to keep our feet on the ground .. without that
kind of thinking we would still have the Greek Gods .. just
gotta keep moving on

sit down .. sort it out ..
compromise .. negotiate ..

OTHERWISE THE 2% WHO WANT CONTINUAL WARS WILL GET THEM

and the 98% ..

well we will do what makes us feel good .. and fighting the
bastards .. not with guns .. that's gotta be the last resort
..

just musing..

Last one for you .. just be candid if you can ..

"I guess when we're all pulling rickshaws and worshiping our

cows like the Hindus, we'll be accused of something else"

Are you racist?

m .. there is a lot of concern here
about privacy and national databases.

Am more worried about it than I was a year ago, now
that i feel like i do .. both major parties are
into it ..

Not sure what the exact situation here is on the data base for
driver's licences, but they are state based .. so i goggled this
up .. haven't read it yet, just thought you might be
interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver's_license