Reckon he would crack his face, would destroy his demeanor.

The Green guy.

Infintesimal .. lots of goodies.

Investigation never hurts. Spent a bit of time at a spiritualist church, very interesting. My teacher always told me to not meditate as I went to sleep and have read it in other places. The suggestion is that the dark, deep energies may be too tough to handle and you can be susceptible to abuse. Considered it for awhile and then took the position that if I couldn't meet the biggest and the best as face to face as possible then where's the challenge .. where's the intrigue, the fear, the real mystery about what's going to happen.

Fun to go places where you've been told not to hoe. Within reason of course. Shits me that so many journalists risk their lives for us and end up dead or in a prison somewhere. Read of one who has been in Guantanamo for 5 years. They are cluttering all of our exterior space, best keep the inside neater than my bedroom. Freer of of doubt and fear and preconception equals more civil in though. Yep, is hard at times, important to balance emotions. Listening is one of the keys, to others and to yourself, To all your voices. They enjoy having names. It gives them a bit of status and recognition.

Actually Patanjali rings a bell. Don't know how Dawn Hill rates in that genre. Do you know what every single creation theory has? It's close, don't think you]ll need a hint. Alice Bailey, I don't know. Have a look at the Celestine Prophecy, if you haven't. Trying to see one I have into the esoteric healing, white light and all. Everything you talk about.The bulb is out in the room and the bookcase in shadow. It's here somewhere, but later, now.

Wow, you do a lot of things for a long time. 40, 30 and now 20 year projects. Good focus. Am a bit of a drifter so not real expert on much.

The good old dragon fight. Am back into more psychiatry now, yet haven't read much new for a time. The Origins and History of Consciousness, by Erich Neumann is an old favorite and have yet to go for some kind of sequel or critique or whatever. For me it is a\one I can continually revisit and places are like I have hardly touched them before. Student of Jung, who was a student of Freud. There was a little one I read by Joseph Campbell. both deal with myth and our minds.

Yep, throw out the garbage, keep the goodies. Don't like to hurt other's feelings, but grew to despise my father's mantra, even hated it I heard it so many times. He was a bit like Bush in that way. Sheeez, i think sometimes, very occasionally you hope, there is a little truth in the old adage, " you have to be cruel to be kind." probably only when I didn't handle it a well as I could. Sometimes though the truth hurts its better to bring it to the open. Man, bag, it's not easy for this old salamander to keep up with you. A young friend gave me that tag, and it fits ok.

Thank, goodpimples, would have to search that's no treasure hint.

Did'nt think so .. just lost a draft for your other post, sorry, dang not up on Star Wars and the 'Emperor' evades me. LOL. Is Banner a Bummer or a good guy. Forget. You could never give me the shits much more than one of my neighbors has. The bastardo threatened to hit me a couple of times, a bit of sense kicked in as who wants blood on a granite floor. Still gives a feed once in awhile, if I happen to pop in at the wrong/right time. 40 years good taming time for you.

And some other solid seasoning, but I can get both ringing without hitting anything, so not so hot for that. Iron palm, gee, sounds pressing. What is that, have never heard of it. Don't bother will check it out. At uni. I tried to burn a hole through a a piece of paper money flat against the back of my hand. That's a DUH.

Um that breathing sounds all right. I'm usually hanging for a smoke or a beer or thinking what I am going to fuck up next while I'm exercising. How do you breath in the sunlight and leave the soot behind? Peace and Brotherhood sounds cool. I'll be in that, as long as we can change leaders and there is not a banned books list.

Daniel remains a imaginary figure for me, as the story is vague. Forget the other creation myth parallels. Hmm, I'd like to have been there at the time and would have arranged the most ferocious animal of the day for him to face. Say, Daniel may have represent the smaller consciousness and the ferocious beast good old unco. Myths may be reflection of ours upon the universe; more solutions and battles between out conscious and our unconscious. Some see the creation myths as reflection the development of our psyche, That make some sense to me.

Feelings are an amalgam. Music has color, not sure about white sound. More comfortable with yourself less "noise" i expect. Would you be comfortable in a room full of strangers?

"I guarantee you, if you don't feel comfortable around someone, you better give it serious consideration, because" they either don't like you one little bit and you can feel it or it's a figment of your imagination and really they have not any judgment at all about you. Sometimes feeling of inferiority, or just doubt about the way you appear to others comes from your head and has absolutely nothing at all to do with the energy of the other. Different people interpret different energies differently or wouldn't we all be basking in the same energy.

Yep, as much as anything it has everything to do with interpretation. Interpretation of the input info, is the key, that's where our reality lies, am guessing. Shoot, am too slow for so late.

The world is alive with possibilities, just one big energy field to play in..

Images smimages, who needs them, too many original meanings debased and distorted. Careful of the ones who suggests you must follow, the full bit in the end may be too hard to swallow. As children we played follow the leader for fun and for friendship; we changed leaders and the one tried o make it good for all. We were all in the same sandpit. ha, to the one who wanted to hog the leadership. They didn't last long. Too many lemmings over the cliff.

Step up, yes sir or siress, until death do us part, I'll do the driving. Can i Teach, put down some windows? Now way, fresh air fucks us. But, teacher there is just too much fire within. Open your mouth for some water.

What bundle is meant to be tied for the life of it's being. Nuclear waste, that most subsidized chite would be an exception, Shhheeeeezzzzzzzzzord, an unimaginative, unimmaculate conception.

Reckon that there are as many teachers as students with us all in both camps. Every fuckwit dickhead dumbass I have ever met has taught me something and I reckon maybe a couple have gained something from me, too.

Hey, baf, 150 is big, but good to see you're enjoying the best time of the day. It's a reawakening, man, and imagine some have only a couple. They are missing so much! Ha. even off it at night is not better than the morning. Light sure beats the dark. Few sleep in buses on the way home and not so many have to go to work in the morning. Gotta admit though this creeping Americanism is beefing the numbers in both those classes. it's getting a tougher battle for more. Breaths, you'd better believe it are always, bonza, where would you be without them. KAKED IT MATE, you would have kaked it!!!!!!! Alcohol and Fire can be beautiful at times. On the right occasion and in a comfortable match mix. How about the burning dish. Flamaaaaage!!!, or something depending how hard it is burning. Sunlight is energy, boss, Fire a velly different phenomena. Hard to toast marshmallows .. ugh, like marshmellows better .. with just sunshine. Just have a little chat with the inner dragon and tell him that he has to ff'ing behave or you will cut him off. If he wants to be like a beer bottle in the freezer, rather than a rice cooker plugged into a socket tell him you'll pull the plug. No DUH about it, boss. You don't wanta exile that energy, you'll become like to many preachers or a closet, as so many others. no way you want that. Don't want to repress to nut ing that bushwhacky spirit. Toast your marshmallows comfortably in the Fire and give Roger the kid enough freedom as he can be trusted with more. Better to tame him and bring him into the family rather than just boot him out the door. If he is controllable at all he, or Rogerita, .. as some dames love wine too .. would rather stay in the family, the sharing and all that and there's no reason for anyone on the curb. Course you're not talking about total abstention,, oh nooo, not unless he really has to be handcuffed. Like if you end up in a hospital in 10 days. Then fffair enough for the cuffs. You're getting there good, we're all gonna flip it one day. Smooth sailing, amigo, give most a hearing, at least for a bit. Best guide is between your soles and your hair, you can read, chat and listen, but the big answers lie there. Good pickings .. love cherries .. and grapes .. YUM YUM.

You ain't seasoned much, son. Pretty raw there, in places,
and sour as chiterooeeees, toooooooooo! .. need a massage?

See, I told you, always some read or watch.
If one of your spits falls on a rose
which is dying and it doesn't say anything
you understand; if it falls on one which is
blossoming it doesn't have to reply.

How simple it is to retouch old thoughts;
the danger is that some may think some
frauds are originals and then you end up
with Mmanson or in the middle of the amazon.

edited .. twice .. sorry.

Awww, c'mon Raz, be a blowhard just once.. be a bro. .. is god
proud of you? Really proud? .. Oh! ...neatsies all conservatives
never brag ..

How about adding, WHATEVER in the middle of the bottom.

Ensure if you have one that your
god lives up to its promises ..
peace on earth and goodwill to all people.

The other ending is sexist as hell, eh?

Sam, i don't want it in the header for this post so will just
......, BTW, is it ..

"Most of the time, when I post here, I feel like i'm spitting into the wind anyway." is just bullshit.

Don't take that like some would, but seriously, Sam, it is not. The spit just falls to the ground
and disappears, unless you get somebody with it. Then, yeah, a spit may be a bit like a post
here. There may or may not be a reaction. Easy has posted heaps on that subject, I have probably
not as many as you, you may have some she doesn't have. As nowadays I miss more than I can read, early
today I thought would ask her to include any number that she has in one post, again. It would put more meat on my bones.

Excellento here, this day. Slight pink, with a tiny red space,
about 8 hours ago. Amazing, a little later I looked from the
window and to pale horizon rising to blue overhead with one of
the

"The United States is prepared to retaliate against North Korea
with the full force of the United States Treasury. If North
Korea will not abandon their missiles, then we are prepared to
conduct precision bombing operations to deliver massive payloads
of cash to enemy targets. North Korean targets will experience
shock and awe when they see what America's finest, the US
taxpayer, can deliver to bank accounts deep within enemy borders
or anywhere in the world, anytime. We want our enemies to know
that we mean business. Big business."

""Are you crazy? They have real weapons of mass destruction."

THAT MUST BE A REFERENCE TO THE UNREAL ONES,
which Iraq didn't have. His way of saying he's crazy.

http://sanity.blog-city.com/bush_threatens_north_korea_with_precision_bombing_of_financi.htm

Wonderful little piece, Sioux. Just great.

In traffic I always think how well so many
people do it together, overwhelmingly so well.
In a sense like ants, but, more individual as
that's where our brains are and the ant's is still ant.

Traffic is fun if it's moving and you don't bump
into an out of control or vindictively oriented member.

Trust you have nothing which could fall off.
Don't know, boss, if the guy is legit then his
maths should be. It's interesting.

New for me, thank you.

WOWOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

You're right on the score it is not a mental illness as it is not defined as one. Some may think it is in any form, but that's only their idea.

But then you say "It can become a mental illness when hung on to longer than it it's usefulness has lasted." The thing is religion cannot become a mental illness. Religion is religion. If the ego gets lost in the images and symbols, rooted deeply and craftily in unco, then consci takes a fall. Some survive. Sometimes you get diagnosis neurosis and/or psychosis.

Sometimes sadly you get undiagnosed, religiously driven, "charismatic" leaders.

Religion was an externally imposed "code of conduct" for individuals and civilizations. Yes, it offered comfort to many in a mysterious, scary, seemingly troubled world. Yes, it gave a sense of understanding where ignorance stood.

But, did it provide "a foundation for law"? It is not law that only virgins can bear babies. Resurrection is not covered in law. "An eye for an eye" is many ways the very antithesis of much law. Some of it's values are reflected in law, but those values are not children of religion, but of the evolution of human consideration and were about before any consideration of a religion existed.

Yes, it gave an immediate "sense of security" in the mystery of existence, but no it did not give "a rudimentary understanding of an afterlife". It made conjecture and a philosophical idea into a "fact", so had to give that idea a description. It gave a suggestion of what an afterlife, if it existed, might be like; a quite wonderful and attractive proposition. It introduced a controlling mechanism. A succor for those who, for some funny reason, feel life is not enough justification in itself. A fear mechanism. Today, the idea is abused and the results an abomination.

Like time-sharing gone wrong.

Sure stitutionalized religion, religion, as I suppose, that's what we are talking about came "as an evolution of thought', as you say, but the natural philosophers were, of course, great skeptics of religious belief. Actually, some 2500 years ago, note, an impossibility for centuries under much religious dogma, in their quest for understanding and truth the natural philosophers marked the separation of religion and science. From that time on religious belief has been dragged kicking and screaming into evolutionary thought.

The religion project is not done. For some it is to rule the world. To exclude other beliefs. You are either with me or against me were not GB's invention, nor were they BL's or billy Graham's. That bread came from others.

Agree the tool is rusty and worn and, in it's present form should be discarded.

"That is all." , no way, there is plenty more to come and a long road ahead. That's more one thought, than all.

Have described my framework which works as well as any. What I
said was not without a structure.

I you speak of a higher wisdom the entrapped mind goes to ideas
of God and not to more study, reasoning and contemplation.
The physical framework you have is fine in the physical world.
It is inconsequential in other areas of conjecture.

"The way all things are so interwoven at the most basic levels
leaves little "apart" from the next." To suggest that anything is
"apart" is a thought, nothing more. The separation of this
God from my wholeness is contrary to it's natural being.

No "maybe" about it, looking down on the surface of the South
Pole I am above you, so why maybe? Would be true to say that
you were lower than I, that's why context is so important to
meaning. I got tired of saying I was up-above when nobody
reacted. Was treated as you would a longstanding open ale.

Don't worry about maybe, YOU ARE UP.

"Basically what you're saying is that can justify all actions by excusing it on the fabric of our existence." .. where is he saying you can justify all actions?

We, in fact, exist as part of a limitless whole, no way around that. It is non-dimensional in fact, in it's nature.

In mathematics, the "point" is non-dimensional, simply a position in space. As a starting point for geometry. It exists in space, but it is a fact only because we have invented it to fulfill a need.

The concept of God as a creator is a linear concept and a product of a mind that is not comfortable with the idea of a non-dimensional world. Whether "God" is there as one who created that space or as just another product of our wonderful imagination is certainly not a fact. NO WAY HOOSAY and the fact that you can say that is quite unbelievable.

Your paraphrased Wittgensteinian, "That which we cannot say must be passed over in silence." is interesting as we can only say words and make sounds and quite clearly if we cannot say them, silence would prevail. Perhaps he said that which we cannot describe?

"I don't believe we can so easily dismiss responsibility", either.

lx, you say "Even in higher space"

How about, in the context of your words, and mood of your
discussion, a space without borders or ups and downs. A
space without higher or lower; it feels a more inclusive image.

Your's .."Liberals can't handle that. They DEMAND that everyone
believe as they do. And it is that aspect of liberty that the
Lib’s have such a distaste for. That explains their intolerance,
hatred and anger"

fuagfo's .. "The Brain controls movement both voluntarily and
involuntarily. Passion begins in the brain, so does love, hate,
anger, imagination,
Motivation, inspiration and all our thoughts and feelings."

"The human brain is as big as a coconut, almost the shape of a
walnut." .. some are as hard. Enjoy.

http://www.telesalestips.com/Psychology.htm

This one you'll love I suppose .. I see a lousy bunch of

coconuts .. EXCLUSIVE BENT BONDING .. A REAL ABORTION.

"Apostles of an unbounded, uninhibited, secular self, they taught
that unbridled rage was a legitimate - and potentially powerful"

.. sounds like a sad reflection on self.

Simply a stress.

"THE PEOPLE V. RICHARD CHENEY"

"they wanted to be sure that the president, vice president, and other
ranking officials could be evicted more easily than the British monarchy. ..

Only two conditions must be met. ..

a majority of the House of Representatives must agree on a set of charges; ..

then, two-thirds of the Senate must agree to convict."

NO APPEALS

"the cause may be “treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors,” .. even these .. left deliberately vague

as Gerald Ford once pointed out while still serving in the House of Representatives, the only real definition of an “impeachable offense” is “whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.”..

only seventeen officials ...

from the outrageous to the banal: from putting political enemies in jail (Judge James H. Peck, 1830) to cheating on taxes (Judge Harry E. Claiborne, 1986); from being rude to Congress (“unmindful of the harmony and courtesies which ought to exist and be maintained between the executive and legislative branches,” President Andrew Johnson, 1868) to being a drunkard (“a man of loose morals and intemperate habits,” Judge John Pickering, 1803). One president was even impeached for having the good taste to keep his sex life private (concealing “the nature and details of his relationship with a subordinate Government employee,” President William Jefferson Clinton, 1998).""

NO APPEALS

"Why not George W. Bush??? .. from the moderate (that two consecutive presidential impeachments would do more harm than good to the nation)"

NO APPEALS

"to the provocative (that while Bush has been wrong about a staggering number of issues, he is too hapless to be held accountable for it ..

to the pragmatic (that even if Bush were impeached, we would still be stuck with Vice President Cheney).

even, for those inclined to such things, an argument by design: that the president is the president, and therefore God designed it that way." Aaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaa!!!

APPEALS

".. none of these apply to Vice President Cheney, and not only because it was Cheney .. who selected himself as vice president back in 2000. ..

no lingering questions about capacity, motive, or malice.

Over the past six years, as the country has spiraled into military misadventure, fiscal madness, and environmental meltdown,

the vice president has not merely been wrong about the issues; he has been duplicitous, deceitful, and deliberately destructive to the American democracy. These things can no longer be denied by rational minds:"

NNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO AAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPEALS.

Wow. Must take a break. Thought he
might have been given the option, exile
or death, but he chose death. Not sure.

Right. If you haven't read it or much of any and can handle the
fluff, see link, I recommend Sophies World as an appetizer. One
of the books witch perhaps should be in a compulsory curriculum,
with a critique such as this one I just snagged. US best seller
list for quite a time.

http://www.levity.com/rubric/sophie.html

ps for me revisit Foucault and Nietzsche and remind myself if
have ever read any of Deleuze/Guattari, Derrida or Heidegger
as if i have they are real ghosts of the past. Enjoy.

EDIT .. Please delete ..

"Sam, if you happen to read this, have i got something for you!
Am only here because I set out to discover when you made your
amazing reverse somersault. Missed it altogether and just before
starting this discovered just how bad my miss was. Did you
really miss the first time I missed you or did you miss it, too?
If you noticed it what the hell did you think i was on about?
Ha, was amazing for me to read it. WWWHHAAAATT!!" .. an
illusion, I think.

Sam,hope all is well. Please forget I put ..

"Sam, if you happen to read this, have i got something for you!
Am only here because I set out to discover when you made your
amazing reverse somersault. Missed it altogether and just before
starting this discovered just how bad my miss was. Did you
really miss the first time I missed you or did you miss it, too?
If you noticed it what the hell did you think i was on about?
Ha, was amazing for me to read it. WWWHHAAAATT!!" .. in ..

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=17275429

It was an illusionary miss, I think, and this is notice of an edit.

The first bit was hilarious, wonderful easy. Have spent hours
with shining monkeys leading to ..

"We're really glad you're here. I look out and see a lot of the
kids who are here today. (Applause.)" Loud laughter here and
thoughts of crap in my hand to throw.

"When I was your age, I was a little fellow from Midland,
Texas" -- (laughter and applause) Loud GROAN here .. with a
blanket apology for any repeats, just cannot read a decent
percentage ..,

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/02/20070219.html

Have no time for BaerTime and no time either for Time in their
failure to give Hicks of Australia a mention. Then again why
should they if Howard really doesn't give a pork barrel.

On the plus side ..

"The point is that we can't do without the Europeans, so we
need to address their legal concerns: close Guantanamo,
renounce extraordinary renditions, and do whatever else it
takes to get them back on the team — before it's too late."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1592320,00.html

ps Correction, earlier I mentioned that Howard left home at 21.
By better memory it was more like 33. No idea where that 21
came from.

Damn, that was interesting. Had marked the "you
think she is right wing" and would have posted

tell me , is she? .. because I
figured she must be and BANG!

To the uninformed he put up a good
fight. Wondered a couple of times.

Trader, don't know what's with you guys. Wonder which one of you, if any, are paid spoilers. You may not know, but guess since before the Vietnam War I have had an attachment for the country. Fortune and opportunity over the last few years has given me reason to develop an even closer attachment. Why the hell am I telling you this you wonder? Well, WHY is below. Umm, how about that connected to head=body, also. ummm.

My mother was born and raised in Seattle. From early childhood we visited regularly, stopping at the gate where the guard would make a telephone call, then allow us to drive to my mother's parents home. Always a great time. Had a soft top convertible for a time and no seat belts so the drive down was a ball. The dog thing. Wind in your face. But, that's a another, story. ha, ... excuse me Mr T ..

Sam, if you happen to read this, have i got something for you! Am only here because I set out to discover when you made your amazing reverse somersault. Missed it altogether and just before starting this discovered just how bad my miss was. Did you really miss the first time I missed you or did you miss it, too? If you noticed it what the hell did you think i was on about? Ha, was amazing for me to read it. WWWHHAAAATT!!

Ok, T, we had great times in Seattle and I developed very close and emotional ties with your country. Wondered about the walled suburb, maybe some 52 years ago. Why would anybody like to live in a walled suburb, I thought. Not sure when it went up. Later reading led to just about everything except cooking, wine and how to make love. Vietnam and increased reading of US history created more confusion and big, big conflict. Hang on this is my mother's country!!!

Vietnam was one of the US dominoes which did not fall and you just have to respect the little bastardos for that.

"In country after country in the expanding U.S. sphere of influence after World War II, "dominoes" fell, and military regimes and other dependent tyrannies came into power with the aid of U.S. covert and/or overt interventions. This occurred in virtually all of Central and South America, and in many parts of Africa and Asia. These regimes invariably exhibited common characteristics: (a) they represented a small, wealthy elite interest, including multinational corporations, promoting intense capitalist economics; they all used terror, including torture, carried out by security forces often trained in these techniques by the U.S. military, to keep the aggrieved majority unorganized, powerless, and subservient to minority elite and corporate goals; (c) the leadership of these states was almost always knowingly corrupt; and (d) they assured, with the support of official U.S. policy, that already highly skewed income and wealth distribution disparities became ever more unequal and caused the majority of their populations to be kept in a state of extreme deprivation and misery.

Those who dismiss this as just left liberal, socialist, communist, ffing whatever, bullshit are just simply in great denial. Oh, but it was in the interests of national security. Nope, it was in the interests of those who used you country for their own personal gain. It is almost beyond my comprehension just how much we have been deceived. So much, for so long.

Seems to me there should be a very big common ground here even with people who act like total assholes , some of the time.

SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkeeeeeeeeeeee iiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.robert-fisk.com/real_terrorists_willson_1999.htm

The world changes constantly,
so why not do the same and enjoy ..
off to work .. cheers.

Good people wouldn't throw rocks,
especially from the "light" side.

The ones who put you on the dark side,
maybe feel lacking in light, themselves.

Agree that all should see the information.
Whether awareness of it would be sufficient
to change the system seems more a moot point,
but it would certainly encourage even more
cynicism of the banks than exists now.

Just what the f would you do if a foreign
power invaded and occupied your country?

"If confirmed by an ongoing Marine Corps investigation, it would
mark the first time since last summer that insurgents in Iraq
struck U.S. aircraft with such an anti-aircraft missile, and it
would provide fresh evidence of a new strategy of targeting
helicopters, according to Maj. Gen. James E. Simmons, deputy U.S.
commander in Iraq."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/20/AR2007022001345.html

American 19 dies in Iraq Monday ..

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07052/763669-57.stm

Have a go ya mug.

Apologies, forgot the link ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sykes-Picot_Agreement