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I have a dual personality, very very wrye humor, but I do know finance, I'm not here to mislead, but to give my honest oppinion. The world has all types, you'll have pumpers and bashers, I'll just tell you what I think.
LOL!! I fell on the floor laughing, Bones, you are so funny!!!
I will not turn coat on you. I think JJ is confused. I didn't agree with what he said, and I didn't think he was using the best intelligence. But, then again, there is a lot of emotion involved here, and it takes a few listens to understand what those guys were saying last night. That's why I wrote down these quotes. I think with these quotes, and a copy of the recording to back them, we can go to any court, and have our day:
Rufus Harris:
“When you are dealing with assets of this size and volumes of this size, you go through a whole new level of due diligence, it isn’t the same thing as just turning in a 10-k, your auditor has to contact the SEC AND HAVE THE ASSET BONDED ENTIRELY….”
“At the time of the halt of the trading, there will be SEC filings, and then the reset is official, that is when the market it reset, anyone who tells you that you can’t reset the price, they are lying to you”
“All JV agreements will be attached to the actual filings, so you will have that information in the filings. Ownership, shares… all that will be there…”
“Everybody will have their shares, before the reset. DTC is responsible for that. It’s in violation of regulations if it starts trading, and only certain shareholders have their shares.”
“The filings will show the availability of the cash that is facilitated from the line of credit. And this will be PRESS RELEASED SOON. We will have our own press release that will come along with the financial filings.”
“We are an asset holding company, the bond was brought in the company, as an investment, to arrange a hypothecation to support a venture…”
Ben Stanley:
“at this time we are trying to re-establish a market price, and we are trying to do it by OUR FILINGS….”
The Attorney:
“We are simply following the rules and regulations of the SEC the NASDAQ, and Federal Regulatory force… ”
“WE ARE NOT ANSWERING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT FACTUAL, WHAT WAS IMPLICATED HERE WAS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.”
Sarcasm, read the article
First read this article, word for word:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12612918
Than you will know I really think these guys signed up, to help pump and dump this penny stock scam.... they are just going to walk away with million of profits in illegally traded CSHD stock, after the bond turns out to be a fake, and they they'll go back to D.C.
HAVE
Ben Stanley?
so when they submit filings that are contrary to the statements they have made, they will get away with it?
That's nice iggy list you got there. I'm impressed. BTW, JJ doesn't have a clue....
I sold out of CSHD, and is putting out a new solo album!
Why would JJ be singing that nerve chilling song "I'm down on my knees for the 10-k" if he sold? Ouch.
Anyway, my reply to Our-Street last night might illuminate the situation, please read:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12595879
HAVE
RE: Valuation
Thank you Penny Stock Trader...
If my memory serves me correctly I believe J.P. Morgan introduced the idea of equity valuation based on future revenues to the Vanderbilts, and the method hence replace the book value method prior to 1900, on Wall Street. (BTW: J.P. Morgan also personally saved the stock market, by paying off the biggest short squeeze in history, out of his own pocket book, because no one could cover their shorts, the shorts were like 10,000 percent out of the money)...
The valuation models you mentioned differ from what I know. I just know the valuation models investment bankers use, which are the DCF, which is a very complicated formula, and then the earnings/mutiple, which is a comparison method, and you will generally have a different multiple for different industries.
Small companies with negative earnings are the hardest to value. That makes this situation even more interesting. Because all these penny stock traders here, so skittish, are what creates the volility in the penny stock markets... because the market can't value them so easy, negative earnings... and little transparency....
Nice to hear from you
HAVE
The guy seemed to check out fine for matters of compliance
He was talking to children.... he was saying he had credit... the bond was liquid.... please read my last post again... than brush your teeth and go to bed...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=12595879
They won't have a problem getting on the NASDAQ after a few months... it's clear sailing.
That's educationally true, but not technically true. He uses that term, because start-ups are hard to value, because of venture capital funding, or debt-burdens which give them a negative NPV... Which cannot be used in a lot of equations. Fortunately, CVSU doesn't have any debt, they will start out in the positive NPV... and they won't be hard to value. The stock will probably go up pretty easily...
They haven't disclosed any new non-public material information, that's not in their PR's or SEC filings, name one thing, but you can't, not even one thing. They were just clarifying, for the ignorant who call them and email them one hundred times a day. So they show up, and they laugh and giggle, because you accuse them of being fraudulent for showing up on Paltalk, when you invited them, in the first place. When Rufus posted here, "How about a Paltalk?" It was an answer to two weeks of annoying investors who can't wait....
Nice try.
Where does he say "defence" attorney? No, I don't wonder. His words seem quite clear. The interview seemed pretty straight forward. It's hard for them to go into technicals because no one understands.
A bunch of musician kids using false identification to buy a car? I don't think that discredits CVSU.
No, clearly not. They are converting the shell. It's like taking the frame of a car, repainting it, decking out the inside (dealing with all of FHAL's debt and old contracts), and then finally putting the engine in (CVSU's assets), and making it one car (coverting the pink sheet stock to CSHD). It'll happen soon.
I think he was talking to people like they were children...
2. The $500 million Rufus claimed the corp had in a bank in Europe does not exist. There is no $500 Million in a European Bank.
You know there is this land called Europe, I know you never heard of it, and well the money is in a place there, it's a thing called a bank... .....
You are clearly misinterpreting him. He was trying to say that he has three sources of credit against the bond, basically saying, it's definitely liquid....
And because the idiots don't understand... He told a fairytale.... an analogy... it's not easy for people to understand what: “When you are dealing with assets of this size and volumes of this size, you go through a whole new level of due diligence, it isn’t the same thing as just turning in a 10-k, your auditor has to contact the SEC AND HAVE THE ASSET BONDED ENTIRELY….” means... and that's another reason why he brought his lawyer, so that he wouldn't be trapped into trying to explain things that people don't understand. Do you want to see another example?
Posted by: Rufus Paul Harris
In reply to: DCschmoeka who wrote msg# 18743 Date:7/27/2006 9:05:42 PM
Post #of 37637
How about a G-9, or is that over your head.
How about a Euroclear account, nope I know that is beyond you.
Let see what I can talk about that you would have knowledge about, my daughter has a piggy bank, I think we are on to something here. LOL
Got to Go, GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Chairman & CEO
Conversion Solutions, Inc.
(OTC BB: FHAL)
125 TownPark Dr. Suite 300
Kennesaw, Georgia 30144
Office: 770-420-8270
Cell: 678-255-7650
That's another example of Rufus explaining things to children. Nice try.
HAVE
My question was reguarding not knowing whether the attorney was for CVSU, or one of the shareholders worried about their investment. I had to relisten to the interview to realize there were three people speaking, and the attorney was CVSU's. It's a little confusing at first, that is probably why skittish people start selling whenever Rufus has one of these silly interviews. You know, he does these because he gets bombarded with so many questions, starting from the very first interview on MN1 Radio. All he did was release a merger 8-k and hundreds of people are hassling him. How could it be a hundred bagger? .15 to 15$? Well, it is. S**t happens, you know, sometimes in a good way. But you know, he came to Paltalk today, because of investors hasseling him all week and leaving messages. He showed up here and said "how about a Paltalk?" It was an answer to a hundred CSHD investor phonecalls and emails. You can here him laughing in the interview, laughing a lot and had to walk away from the phone, because people were accusing him of having a lack of creditability for being a CEO going on Paltalk. He was like "you asked me to come here, now you accuse me???" It's just like you insinuating that he has criminal lawyer because he needs protections as for being fraudulent. There is a term. It's called a$$-backwards... He has a criminal lawyer, because he doesn't want to waste any time uncracking the code of how to deal with all you criminals.
HAVE
Where's the link?
CSHD valuation
that's what the attorney is there for, they can't release certain non-public information...
you should relisten...
He's protecting himself from your accusations... you are accusing fraud, and others are doing the same....
He hired a criminal expert, because he has criminals accusing him of fraud, and criminals demanding money from FHAL, so he hired the best, to set these guys up... it makes perfect sense....
This would be a good question for Rufus. I'll foward it, since you guys don't get along that well, right now.
I can trade my shares, but I use the most updated broker thinkorswim.com. I could trade my shares instantly, I was holding all CSHD yesterday morning, and no FHAL.
You mean JJ?
Our Street, nice to hear from you, I actually put you off of ignore earlier. I thought we would meet again, or I would hear from you. Are you coming back to the light?
"There is still time to change the road you're on..."
Led Zeppelin, Stairway to Heaven
Why not? he said they won't have the same abilities as holders of record.
mind your manners boy, you are the one with the dirty mouth, and deserve to be spoken that way, you puke on our board, and don't even listen to the interview, now you are insulting a widow?
Listen to the interview again.
“All JV agreements will be attached to the actual filings, so you will have that information in the filings. Ownership, shares… all that will be there…”
I think this was the slur you were talking about...
“The filings will show the availability of the cash that is facilitated from the line of credit. And this will be PRESS RELEASED SOON. We will have our own press release that will come along with the financial filings.”
Who cares, trading corner and paltalk is over....
CSHD is an investment. I will never log into Paltalk trading corner again, and will highly recommend that Rufus never go there again. All our questions were answered tonight. This deal is done, it's just so hard to hear because of all the idiots tripping on their own puke....
how did you escape from ignore?
what kind of evidence are you looking for? if you are looking for something up in the sky, you will probably have to pull your head from between your knees....
Here's the recording, here's some of the transript, there is no turning back for these, guys...
http://bimmerinfo.com/cshd_8-10-2006.mp3
Rufus Harris:
“When you are dealing with assets of this size and volumes of this size, you go through a whole new level of due diligence, it isn’t the same thing as just turning in a 10-k, your auditor has to contact the SEC AND HAVE THE ASSET BONDED ENTIRELY….”
“At the time of the halt of the trading, there will be SEC filings, and then the reset is official, that is when the market it reset, anyone who tells you that you can’t reset the price, they are lying to you”
“All JV agreements will be attached to the actual filings, so you will have that information in the filings. Ownership, shares… all that will be there…”
“Everybody will have their shares, before the reset. DTC is responsible for that. It’s in violation of regulations if it starts trading, and only certain shareholders have their shares.”
“The filings will show the availability of the cash that is facilitated from the line of credit. And this will be PRESS RELEASED SOON. We will have our own press release that will come along with the financial filings.”
“We are an asset holding company, the bond was brought in the company, as an investment, to arrange a hypothecation to support a venture…”
Ben Stanley:
“at this time we are trying to re-establish a market price, and we are trying to do it by OUR FILINGS….”
The Attorney:
“We are simply following the rules and regulations of the SEC the NASDAQ, and Federal Regulatory force… ”
“WE ARE NOT ANSWERING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT FACTUAL, WHAT WAS IMPLICATED HERE WAS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.”
these certainly weren't answers:
Rufus Harris:
“When you are dealing with assets of this size and volumes of this size, you go through a whole new level of due diligence, it isn’t the same thing as just turning in a 10-k, your auditor has to contact the SEC AND HAVE THE ASSET BONDED ENTIRELY….”
“At the time of the halt of the trading, there will be SEC filings, and then the reset is official, that is when the market it reset, anyone who tells you that you can’t reset the price, they are lying to you”
“All JV agreements will be attached to the actual filings, so you will have that information in the filings. Ownership, shares… all that will be there…”
“Everybody will have their shares, before the reset. DTC is responsible for that. It’s in violation of regulations if it starts trading, and only certain shareholders have their shares.”
“The filings will show the availability of the cash that is facilitated from the line of credit. And this will be PRESS RELEASED SOON. We will have our own press release that will come along with the financial filings.”
“We are an asset holding company, the bond was brought in the company, as an investment, to arrange a hypothecation to support a venture…”
Ben Stanley:
“at this time we are trying to re-establish a market price, and we are trying to do it by OUR FILINGS….”
The Attorney:
“We are simply following the rules and regulations of the SEC the NASDAQ, and Federal Regulatory force… ”
“WE ARE NOT ANSWERING ANYTHING THAT IS NOT FACTUAL, WHAT WAS IMPLICATED HERE WAS NOT AN ASSUMPTION.”
They are laughing because people don't understand what they are talking about, not in a bad way, just, sort of venting....