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Why did CDEX not introduce the IG4 from the get-go?
Because the original Valimed concept had enough 'sizzle' to sell PP's
Now they're trying to reheat the steak with something that won't work even better than the original one.
What happens when you try to reheat a steak Pennstreet?
You'll never have enough sizzle as before. Why?
Because the PPers that bought the original steak and didn't like the taste ain't gunna buy a second one.
You Boyz have ran outta juice.
That's all you have to say Pennstreet to defend the IG4. Couldn't get in contact with Poteet over the weekend to come up with any type of rebuttal?
If the cuvette material and/or dimensions were changed for the existing Valimed, would new sigantures be required to replace the old ones?
If the orientation of the cuvette (with respect to the incident UV radiation AND/OR sensor) were changed for the existing Valimed, would new signatures be required to replace the old ones?
Yes and Yes 'would be' (TM- Kidinsight) the correct answers.
We can now abbreviate the word 'Valimed' to EV.
EV = existing Valimed
IG4 = imaginary Valimed
"You are disagreeing with arloco! Is that allowed?"
It most certainly is NOT!
I answered your post before reading ahead.
Pennstreet, it's a known fact that more than one individual posts under the "pennstreet' alias. It's very obvuious and you've even admitted to it on this board.
"I get tickled to think, that you guys tell me who I am, and then think I am not them that you think I am."
How many is 'them'?
Who be 'them'? LOL
"when do we find out who the mystery firm is who is beta testing the first G4 that was recently shippped...'
HEY kmryp00, the whereabouts of this marvelous medical break through instrument is on a need to know basis only. Shareholders and potential PP investors do NOT need to know.
That includes you.
What can be said is that it shipped somewherwe to somebody- end of conversation.
And it's not being used as a beta unit, that would imply that they have signatures for it and it's being used for it's alleged intended use in a hospital pharmacy setting....
... where someone may actually see it and wonder why it's just sitting there doing nothing! LOL
YES Crow YES!!!
{i]"CDEX did publish explanatons of how Valimed works..an ISOLATED small sample of the med is zapped by a burst of UV radiation. The resulting flouresed radiation from the zapped sample is detected and compared to a stored pattern in the Valimed, called the signature."
If a G4 were to actually exist, the incident UV radiation must travel through the IV bag, tube, syringe (or whatever) and radiate the sample. As we known, these medical items are made from materials with UV resistant coatings and/or additives in their formulations so the burst of UV will have trouble getting through, but that's not the most difficult part.
The difficult part is the fluorescent return signal traveling back to the sensor. The intensity of the return signal is very, very small compared to the incident intensity which would make it extremely difficult to travel back through the material to the sensor.
But let's just suppose it could. The signal intensity would be attenuated by passing thru the material and each different type of material would have a different effect. The orientation of the medical item containing the med would also have an effect on intensity.
What this means is the CDEx would have to make up ALL NEW SIGNATURES, one for each different type of material and orientation of the medical item being sampled. Ya can't just toss the medical item "into the belly" like Pennstreet foolishly claims and expect consistent results every time.
Remember that Valimed uses the exact same cuvette and in the exact same orientation to create consistent signatures and test results. This would not be the case with the imaginary G4. The intensity of the return signal would be attenuated differently on a case per case basis and since the intensity is directly proportional to the strength of the med, concentration readings would be totally inconsistent.
They couldn't use an existing signature developed for Valimed with the G4. There would have to be hundreds of new signatures developed specifically for the imaginary G4 and I haven't heard of such a material event at this time.
As it stands right now, Valimed has a unique signature for each med at a particular concentration AND with a particular dilutent. If the concentration is changed a new signature is required; if the dilutent is changed a new signature is required.
Imagine all the signatures that WOULD be required with the IG4 (imaginary G4). Not only would it require a unique signature with different med concentrations and dilutents like Valimed, but it would also require unique signatures for each different IV bag, tube, syringe, vial... etc through which the sample is being tested.
And on top of that, a unique signature would be required for each differnt way the item to be sampled is "tossed into the belly " of the IG4- a different orientation, a different signature.
Highly unlikely that CDEX could pull that off in a few months, with no money and with outside vendors that have been stiffed.
HIGHLY UNLIKELY if not just plain hilarious to consider.
GUARANTEED.
"do you know the answer to 10,000 shares bought of Loch Stock, and what the number of the shares are today?
I wasn't involved in this debate, but what the heck.
But first, I really don't know the question Penn. Are you asking if someone bought 10k shares of Loch and held, how many they'd have today?
10,000/45.3= 220.75* = 221
* The scamsters were kind enough to rounded up all fractional shares
Then their was the 1/5 reverse split (200 million/5):
221/5= 44.2
I don't recall what they did with fractional shares with the R/S
Now, should we get into the dilution factor when the 40 million authorized CDEx shares was increased to 300 million?
And of course the PPS went South since the Loch days. Should we take that into account so we can get a true Loch/CDEx PPS equivalents?
I made the calculation before in a post and it was real ugly. If we include the most recent dilution factor (which is assuming all the newly authorized CDEx shares get sold into the float) it gets even uglier.
That's a good assumption isn't it, that all the newly authorized 200 million shares will be sold? LOL
I mean what else is CDEx gunna sell? LOL
G4 is fourth generation:
1st- Dr. R. B. Baker/Dennis Harris
2nd- Rodney Boone/Mark Baker
3rd- Malcolm Philips/Tim Shriver
4th- Jeff Broomfield
15 years and nearly ONE BILLION shares sold to honest folks that never made a dime.
But it goes back further than that- much, much further!!!!!
Baxa will be there and I'm a wonderin' what they'll have to say?
Probably still under a NDA so they'll just grin a bear it as they pass the CDEX booth.
Ohh... and Penstreet, I'm a little short on cash.
Need to but some CDEx shares before this thing takes off. LOL
Kapeesh?
Pennstreet, walk away from this scam, go to church and pray for forgivness.
It's not too late. Give me the names, dates and dealings of all the crooks you've been involved with and I'll put a good word in for you with the Big Guy.
And of course, you need to make right all of those that you've wronged.
I like this part of Penn's post:
"No hype on bogus pr's, as was the norm from the loch days and first 9 years of Cdex."
In other words, this ugly scam has been nothing but hype and lies since the beginning and you, Pennstreet, have been part of it all along.
All of your many aliases have been intimately involved in this scam and you're continuing to do what you've always done to this very day.
- Bogus PR's
- Bogus products
- Paid shills
- Crooked CEO's
- And Pennstreet.
Nothing has changed, and Pennstreet is JUST ONE of the many obvious reasons why this scam will continue to rip off investors in the same way they've done in the past.
No wonder you seem to know the details of every crook involved.
You're a very smart man... as scams go.
"I wonder if JB tried to stiff UPS of the shipping costs?? LOL!!"
Speaking of crooks, I wonder what happen to all of CDEx's vendors that got stiffed. Did they ever get paid or does CDEX have to get their vendor services outside the Tucson area now.
The CDEX CEO's are getting worse and worse.
What a disguisting SCAM this company is!
hjc64, No, I didn't attend the SHM, I just remember your post about that demo.
But you're right, if I did go I wouldn't introduce myself as 'diddy' cuz I'd be afraid that Pennstreet would beat me up! LOL
Jenn, loch did what they always do, they gave a pump away to a farm and reported it as a sale. A shill.
They then reported a deal with Mexico for the sale of a thousand pumps, but of course, the deal fall thru.
Circa 1998-99
Crowe, Griffin smashed the pill and made a slurry (water-based) before testing. As I recall the first test was a false negative, the second tested positive after shakin' it up before re-testing.
Is that correct Harry?
Pennstreet, Loch/CDEx is a SCAM and you're the scamster's working bee.
Ain't it so tbeezer? LOL
Buzzzzzzzz!
"They won't even BUILD one..much less sell one."
LOL!!!
They'll build one alright, just like the PSSS with a glossy colored brochure.
It just won't work as advertised- that's all.
Demmo, I'm sure that a lot of those directors will be keen on what CDEX is advertising. The question is can they deliver the goods AS ADVERTISED?
I say NO WAY JOSE!
Nunca, nunca, nunca.
Guaranteed.
"Do any of you find it a little bold for the Cdex team to put the G4 under the scrunity of experts in their field, lol."
It's ground hog day Pennstreet. That is what they do.
Let's not forget all the professional physicists and optical engineers Wade and Blair 'dupped' at the SPIE in san Diego, the Montery Conferece and the conference in Europe (can't remember the name). Then there's Baxa, they got smart folks too.
Remember, the phycists were scratching their heads saying "HUH?", x-rays can't travel that far! LOL
The G4 is a FRAUD, a lie; it will never sale and is simply 'the latest carrot' to skin PP suckers imho.
This is what scamcos like CDEx do. This is what Loch/CDEX HAVE ALWAYS done.
Valimed has not sold and to my knowledge, they have not fixed the shortcomings. Now they're claiming to have an even more complicated and advanced Valimed which was developed in an extremely short period of time and on a shoestring.
They're not trying to sale the steak, they're selling the sizzle.
Como siempre.
"JB has been charged with fraud more than once."
In retrospect, Rod Boone seems like a saint compared to MP and JB.
Can we get him back?
OTOH, regardless whether JB was every convicted, he certainly seems qualified to run CDEx.
I'll have to give you that one Pennstreet.
And you Johny R, why don't you do some DD as Arloco suggested instead of reacting with your emotions.
Penn, has MP ever sailed on the yacht with Mark and Jeff?
A simple yes or no would be appreciated- no ramblin'.
Obviously rhetorical. eom
What a cowinky ding, Stan has know JB for many years! LOL
I thought JB was just another common shareholder like MP allegedly was? LOL
Everyone raise your hand if you think Loch/CDEx is NOT a SCAM.
There ya go Pennstreet, it's a scam.
A BILLION SHARES SOON TO BE SOLD UNDER SEVERAL CEOs OVER THE COURSE OF 15-20 YEARS....AND NO SALEABLE PRODUCT PRODUCING SUSTAINABLE REVENUE.
This time they're gunna get 'er done though! LOL
Correction: Rod Boone and JB.
How about JB and RD BOTH being high rollers at the MGM? LOL!
All in the family.
JB and RB at the MGM.
JB and MB at the San Diego Boy's Club
All buddy-buddy.
I suppose there'd be truth in saying that JB was just another ordinary shareholder like MP. LOL
Now RS can bleed his awared portion of the newly authorized shares into the float and double or triple his money even without a P&D.
But a P&D would be good, huh Pennstreet? LOL
Of course, that was their obvious game plan from the beginning since we know that the oncology app with pure boolsheet.
- Introduce a new set of lies with the introduction of the new CEO to attract a new set of uninformed PP suckers.
It appears that at least one person involved in the distr. agreement had enough integrity to withdraw after learning the truth.
CDEx cados or Loc's cados? EOM
How's Mark Baker doing? Still hangin' with JB at the San Diego Boy's Club?
Does RB still have a house down there?
"And it also sounds like MP is still writing the PRs for Loch/CDEx"
Correction
"DOES THIS SOUNDLIKE THAT THE VALIMED G4 IS A LIE??? lol."
It sounds like the same ole BS shareholders have heard time and time again.
It sounds like they have to lay it down thicker and heavier if they want to attract PP investors to sell those newly authorized 200,000,000 worthless shares.
And it also sounds like MP is still reading the PRs for Loch/CDEx.
Yawn.... EOM
"REMEMBER, each time they come out with a new CEO and claim they've removed the crooks, it is always followwed by lies about a newer and better mouse trap to stimulate PP sales. EACH TIME IT HAS BEEN A LIE!"
Murone on the other brd is just touching the tip of the iceberg when evaluating the technical hurdles required for the G4 to perform as advertised.
"I still have some lingering concerns. IV bags are not all made from the same type/quality of material. Some are crystal clear like glass, but some of the pre-made piggyback solution bags (50/100ml bags)are clear, but not totally transparent. These are the bags usually used for manual compounding, like batching Heparin, and would seemingly benefit the most from valimed checking.
IIRC, Valimed uses reflected light for measurements. Unless the G4 has some new method of taking into account varying plastic types, thicknesses and levels of transparency, this still may be a problem.[/bn] IV bags are currently manufactured for sterility and strength -- not for consistency in how they pass light waves through them. Cdex cannot control this, so they previously used a cuvette in which they could control the consistency (or distortion) of the light waves.
Thank you Morones, good post to make people think about the obsurd claims of CDEx. REMEMBER, each time they come out with a new CEO and claim they've removed the crooks, it is always followwed by lies about a newer and better mouse trap to stimulate PP sales. EACH TIME IT HAS BEEN A LIE!
Two points which Morones did not mention:
1) IV bags have UV resistant additives formu;ated in the plastics. This is true with IV bags (but not all), some tubing, and of course plastic and glass vials designed to hold meds.
2) Placement of the sample being analyzed- a cuvette is placed in the Valimed chamber at a specific location with a known distance and angle of incidence from the emitting light source and sensor.
I'm curious about what Jenn observed. How was the IV bag placed into Valimed? Was it tossed into a drawer like many peolple may invision or was it carefully placed into position? A cuvette is one physical size with a port for exact location. IV Bags, tubes, vials and the like would all have different physical shapes which would definitly (TM Closer) be problematic.
Once again, I wonder what the shareholder like jenn saw when they watched the demo?
I say BS. The G4 is another whopping lie which will come to light sometime down the road as always.
If JB stepped down as CEO and Crow became the new CEO, no doubt they'd announce the introduction of an advancesd BS meter that was being tested by the Department of Justice to be used in a court of law.
I might even take the bait on that one cuz I trust crow to tell the truth.
Crow, I meant to say that YOU are EXACTLY correct.
I think that at this point all LONG shareholders know that Loch/CDEx is a SCAM.
The best phrase for brevity is:
"LATHER, RINSE, REPEAT." (TM- Stock_distributor)
That says it all.
"Ain't no need to sit and wonder why, babe
iffin you don't know by now..."
- Bob Dylan
Crow they're exactly correct. The G4 is a bunch of BS. CDEx did the same sheet after the regime change. MP came out swinging with a brand new "SUITE OF SECURITY PRODUCTS" which as it turns out NEVER EXISTED.
Same BS this time. When JB took over they came out with the G4, the worthless onocolgy distribution agreement, and the pocket meth gun.
Read the bogus CDEx PR. JB is on board for two months and they're showing the new G4 at a December trade show?
Total BS.
These crooks have huevos.
Thanks Arloco. eom
Can someone direct me to the offical CDEx PR which announces the new G4 and it's (alleged) more advanced capabilities.
Even if the information only came from Penstreet with the "imho" at the end of his post.