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I think those trades are not real trades based on the time and sizes that are shown. I think that some of the exchanges were doing some testing mostly, in my opinion. Kind of how NVLT was being done in the pre-open market last week on its decline.
Too bad the new Shorting Rule is not in effect today and that we have to wait for 6 months before it does become active.
This will probably be shorted bad today, assuming that anyone can find shares being held at some institution short them with.
I can see the MMs trying to push this down bad. Maybe it is a good thing that the MMs have held this stock down real low for as long as they have.
Trying to remain positive here and wondering how the day will end.
Market on Close Sell Imbalance 123700 shares @ 15:50
For what ever this may mean, it took me a loooong time to have an order filled for 3300 shares ar $1.81. I take this to mean that we are probably around the bottom today and hopefully we push back higher. I am thinking that if this is not being shorted (since it took a long to fill which after a while I was surprised it did) and some people are just selling as they may worry it could go lower, but most are holding on it seems, than maybe we can move back up again. I know nothing always goes the way you think it would, but I am still hopefull.
TenaciousD, I need to correct one of my trading time periods I listed before. In the morning hours, the pre-hours trading for E*Trade if from 7:00 AM - 9:15 AM.
I incorrectly stated 9:30 AM and it should be 9:15 AM.
Everyone is probably sitting, holding to wait for the news to come out.
Also it sounds like alot of traders stayed home today due to the storm. One of the folks on the trading floor was mentioning that and in the background it looked like hardly anyone was there.
APPA - I wonder if an oscillation period is happening for this stock? That is to have it trade within a certain pricing range until something makes it move further. Just thinking that in looking back to mid-January and first part of February period in thinking this way.
Don't let a first time poster get this board going on a wild chase. They may know something, but also take it with a grain of salt in what they say and in how they are saying it. It sounds to me as they have been watching this board for a while, so why just now post and yet post a comment like that? More like an attention getter to me.. though I may be wrong. Just my feelig on what and how it is being played out.
I already checked with Investor Relations and they have nothing new.
Hello Site Newbie... who is IR?
I say site newbie as I see you have not posted anything in looking at your history.
APPA - I was wondering the same thing. So hard to tell how to read those extended hour trades.
APPA - Intersting... placed order for 2600 shares @ 1.85 which was on the Ask side, it executed but the only number of trades it was showing was 100 on ARCA. That never moved at all and all 2600 shares were filled right away. I hate seeing that happen as I feel shorting is occuring when the Ask volume never changes.
Does anyone know why I can see only 100 shares being listed on the Ask on Level two, and no other exchange is showing anything at that pps and the order executes right away?
As I look now, I see a lot of 1.85 shares being executed, yet the 100 shares is all that is being reflected for offer at 1.85 on ARCA.
Interesting. Shorting naked is illegal.
I wonder how they can tell who is shorting naked in order to create this report.
APPA Current Bid: 2.01 / Ask: 2.09
I even saw a 2.29 @ 1500 shares execute on Nasdaq-NMS showing up on Fidelity. Not sure if they were testing something on NSDQ or what was happening. I did not see it on my E*Trade system, but did see 2.01 on both.
Current Bid: 2.01 / Ask: 2.09
Odd potential trade this morning.
When I look at my Fidelity system, I see 1500 shares traded at 2.29. Yet when I look at my E*Trade system I do not see anything traded. The 2.29 trade was on Nasdaq-NMS.
I am not seeing 2.01 trading occurring on both systems as I type this up.
I wonder if someone was testing their system this morning.
CKR, current PPS is higher than offer price.
I am not sure why people are offering to pay more than what is being offered in the buyout of $11.04. I do see where they are going to wait 40-days to see if anyone offers more, but I do not feel I would offer to pay more for the stock than what is being offered in the buyout price.
Thanks for the information on the buy-out.
02/25 APPA Analyst Report
Please do not click on the link below. For some reason when I try it in this message window, and the pdf file tries to lauch it just hangs. When I copy and paste the http link below in another window then it works for me.
http://www.engelgau.net/stock/APPA_Analyst_Report.pdf
This is a pdf report I saw this evening that came out Thursday from one of the analyst I have access to. Please let me know if it does not work for you, or how on any other posting I can paste a pdf link in here to make it actually work.
Larry
02/25 APPA Analyst Report
Please do not click on the link below. For some reason when I try it in this message window, and the pdf file tries to lauch it just hangs. When I copy and paste the http link below in another window then it works for me.
http://www.engelgau.net/stock/APPA_Analyst_Report.pdf
This is a pdf report I saw this evening that came out Thursday from one of the analyst I have access to. Please let me know if it does not work for you, or how on any other posting I can paste a pdf link in here to make it actually work.
Larry
DELETE PLEASE
Extended Hours Question: Anyone know of a board here that focuses on pre-open and afterhours trading? Not in how to trade it, but in actually reviewing the stocks trading in the extended hours and possibly bidding on them in these special hours. The only one I saw was last posted to about 3 months ago.
I love how the analyst always come out AFTER something happens and not before. Telling me that I should buy, sell or hold from news that came out yesterday or hours ago... .they are not proactive and more reactive and always late in notifing their clients in my opinion.
Seen this all too much with another stock over the last month. It could stay like this with the MMs for a long time if the company does not come out with anything to address the news.
I like slow and steady... I also like those large pops that last all day and are not just a teaser in trading.
Either my broker likes me, or they messed up.
I placed an order for .2957 and they executed it at .2956. The Bid/Ask was .2956/.2957, so why I got it at the lower of the two prices. Not sure how to take it, but hope the broker likes me alot... lol
Now that we are back to almost .30 again, either we will fall back down to .28 or should be able to push back up into the .31 and hopefully higher. I think it will all depend on how the MMs wish to play this today. If we can not push beyond .31 today, then I think this will be played as ANX has been for a while now and sit in a range around .29 to .31 in my opinion.
A Bid being higher then Ask can happen when one exchange is placing a bid at a higher amount than a different exhange is offering to sell their shares at.
I have seen this happen many times and I do not think it is anything to worry about.
Example:
Exchange A Bid price 1.20 Ask price 1.25
Exchange B Bid price 1.08 Ask price 1.10
Exchange C Bid price 1.10 Ask price 1.12
You would see on a normal Bid Ask screen:
Bid: 1.20
Ask: 1.10
Bid price shown is usually the highest found at any exchange, so long as number of shares is at least 100 shares.
Ask price shown is usually the lowest found at any exchange, so long as number of shares is at least 100 shares.
I would say somewhere between 20 and 30 percent in how the market is falling today.
Well we hit -19% for now.
Definitely looks like the MMs affecting the pricing on this one again today.
I do not like that they can see the stop sell limits that have been set on orders. I think that can help them move the stock versus it moving more normally, at least in how I see it.
It reminds me of ANX in how it is trading. Very lil moment at all. But with the market in a large drop today, it is nice to see it holding on to .30. If it falls below .30 you will probably see a lot of stoploss selling occurring. If the market was up I would expect this to be at least a lil higher.
That is quite a change from how the market looked when I was up around 5 am looking at the world market news. They were looking slightly positive I thought. I guess that is what I get for getting a lil more sleep before trading hours.
I have not tried a AH Market Order, but I don't think it is possible on the two I subscribe to.
otcplaya, can you tell me (us on this board) if there are any extras fees added for the extended hours trading you can do with them? Thanks!
Extended hours trading.
I use two different online services. One being with E*Trade and the other with Fidelity. I am not familiar with any other online provider for trading, so I can not speak to them. I would call and check into extended hour trading as it can not hurt and can really help at times. I have been able to catch some good trades in extended hours, but you also need to remember when regular session starts, it can be an all new ballgame and can swing like you may not expect... good or bad that is.
With Fidelity I have to select a special dropdown item from the menu bar to do extended hours trading. Nicely with them I can trade from 7:00-9:30 AM and from 4:00-8:00 PM; so basically I could trade from 7:00 AM through 8:00 PM if I wanted to and was able to find other traders/MMs that wanted to do it.
With E*Trade I use their E*Trade Pro platform and from there I use the same buy/sell fields, but the only difference in extended hours is I have to change the Exchange selection from AUTO to ARSA or NSDQ. Extended hours with them are from 8:00-9:30 AM and 4:00-8:00 PM.
One thing to note with E*Trade is if you select ARSA or NSDQ as the Exchange to use, then if they actual fill the trades for you, they will charge you an additional $0.005 per share traded. Fidelity does not do this and they actually find the best Exchange to use with no additional cost to you. At least that is what I have experienced in using both of them.
Larry
nywest329, I hope you do not lose it.... I know how it can be. I, myself, have been out of work since March 2nd of last year. Been working on trying to build up my IRA account before I have to take most of my funds out to cover this year's expenses so I don't lose my house and the other supports of life.
Wishing you the best in all of your trades.
Larry
Shares Outstanding: 72.80M, Float: 53.89M
For AH and BH trading...
For Afterhours and Beforehours trading I have to submit a special buy/sell order form so they know I am meaning to trade outside of normal operating hours. I have to do this with both E*Trade and Fidelity and I am limited on the trade size I can perform usually.
Are you placing a special buy order in the extended hour time frames?
10K Shares just filled @.30 in AF
Just received confirmation that my 10,000 (2x5k) shares were filled in AF @ 0.30 pps
NVLT... and a 53.89M Float
See the jump back to .313 and 48+M traded now