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From what I've seen Hypersolar is the only company to advertise hydrogen from any water source. Most other types of water splitting systems, including the artificial leaf ones, require distilled water, or risk a high rate of corrosion. One of the first patents that Hypersolar received was in its polymer coating that is designed to protect the system while using most water sources, including seawater. As long as this coating works with the final product, Hypersolar will have a major advantage over everyone else.
If you have some kind of evidence that both HPTG and HTE issued fraudulent news releases, please provide it. That way we all can file a complaint with both the SEC and the polish equivalent.
Otherwise get back into your hole with your uncle and his wiener schnitzel.
Yeah looking at the Hypersolar website, the base for the tech is the use of nano particles to increase effecency. I think that 75% electrolysis rate is pretty reasonable when combined with a 10% solar conversion, netting a 7.5% solar to hydrogen conversation. That in itself would far exceed the 1.5% conversion rate for plants and 4% for current flat plate reactors.
Haven't had time to take a systems approach tonight, but a few things to keep in mind, the energy problem is two fold (power generation & transportation) with many sub categories.
Hope you all have a good night, and sweet dreams for green for tomorrow!
PJM, nice math! Takes me back to my college days :)
The only thing I see so far is that under particle conditions the splitting of water is not 100% efficient. From what I can find using a cheaper alkaline electrolyser, which is what I think Hypersolar is going for, is only 60-75% efficient. There are proton exchange membrane electrolyers (similar to a reverse fuel cell) that are 65-90%, but cost a lot.
I'll try to type up a few notes from a systems engineering perspective when I get home.
Haha, nice :)
Though the sad thing is as long as Trump "Accedently left behind" a good $50k it would probably work.
Like I said before, someone needs to go down to Mexico and pay off the right person to get the paper work moving. Otherwise we could be looking at months before something happens.
Anyone with family in Mexico?
I've already earned back what I put into HPTG by flipping shares, so I think I'm going to let it ride and wait for the next pump. If nothing happens by the end of the year I'll take the write off.
Yeah looking at today's trading you might be right on the triple 0's.
Thanks for the lay out!
The only wild card I see is the change in the manufacturing process. I think one reason why Hypersolar changed is they hit a road block at 1.25. Once the new manufacturing process was introduced, they very quickly hit 1.4v. Keeping that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if they break 1.5v sooner rather than later.
At this point I give it 50/50 over the next three months, and I agree that is totally dependent on news of a PO. After 3 months without news I think we are looking at triple 0's.
You know, as long as this stock gets back over .01 pretty soon, I don't care if he makes $250k and/or can spell his own name. However, at these prices, I think Stolky should have a hold put on his pay till this stock goes back up.
Once again, where does your uncle work?
Everyone is packing for the long weekend :)
Me too! I was surprised to see this release out this week. Hopefully, they are planning something better for next week like work on a full scale prototype. Lets put those summer interns to work!
If I remember right, last year's run to .13 took about 4 trading days to play out. With this being a short holiday week, I think we are going to stay under .04 for a bit and have a bigger run next week, once the news has had time to circulate. Just my thoughts though; I could be wrong.
GLTA
Regardless, there are at least a few people who think we are at the bottom, and are willing to do some pretty big buys based off of that. I know I picked up 400k yesterday myself.
Hopefully we'll get some good news next week.
GLTA
I was watch the lv II most of the day. As soon as we hit .004, BMAK stepped in with a block at .003, allowing CDEL to push it all the way to a 1,000,000 share buy at .0022. Looks like CDEL is going to try and flip those shares starting at .0029.
In short, we need solid news and soon to break this crappy cycle!
Don't worry, original HYSR holders are still here.
Why Sept though?
And welcome back!
Keep in mind Mexico sales are basically third party transactions through Energia. Even though Energia has a PO for 100 units, Hydrophi does not have an order until Energia needs more.
Thanks for the article PJM. Gas to Liquid (GTL) is what I've been talking about for the last few months. The only issues with Shell's F-T reactor is it depends on enconomy of scale to create liquid fuels, oils and waxes at market cost. For shell to build one plant costs right around $1 billion, and requires a massive amount of natural gas as feed stock.
I would keep an eye on a British company named Velocys (LSE: VLS), who holds most of the patiants required to create an economical, small scale F-T reactor. Velocys' first commercial scales plant is set to open next year in Oklahoma, as a JV with Waste Management. This plant will use captured biogas from an old trash dump, combined with natural gas to smooth the feed stock. In my opinion you could use a Hypersolar Hydrogen plant on top of the waste dump, and use the hydrogen produced to replace some, if not all, of the natural gas used in the process. The result is ultra-clean fuels, oils and lubercants, almost entirely derived from green sources.
I'm going with option 3 :)
For HTE that is correct, and I do feel a little better about it than I do Mexico.
I'm sure there is an escape clause in both, but even with one, there is always ends up being a lot of legal fees involved.
In the end it comes down to risk vrs reward. Hopefully the rewards side wins out on this.
Sorry for the rant, but people who believe that governments can simply legislate away fossil fuels I feel are a bit misguided.
To address your other comments first:
No, I still believe that a company should still own at least one of their key markets. If not for any other reason, just to see how the markets work.
Yes I completely understand why they are not work the U.S. to hard yet, which is mostly low gas prices and the high efficiency of our current vehicles.
I do disagree with you on the sense of urgency part. Renewables are basically failing in the EU, and taking the economy with it. I was just watching a debat last night on a UK news station about how they are going to stop building wind farms because they cost to much. At only 10% of the UK power supplies, subsidies for the wind farms already cost each household £80 a year. If a household is already paying £80, just think how much businesses are paying. Germany, the beacon for clean energy in Europe had to fire up its old coal plants, and buy nuc power from Poland just to keep its energy cost down. Heck the G7 leaders will only commit to 2100 as the end of fossil fuel. Probably a pretty realilistic target.
Also, you have to keep in mind comparing the U.S. to Europe when it comes to fossil fuels vrs renewables is like apples and oranges. The biggest difference is population density, and just how far north the EU is and the abomdance of Natrual Gas in the US, but I digress...
Overall, by directly subsidizing technologies that really didn't work very well, the European Government, and the U.S. to a lesser extent, have pushed to much money away from R&D and managed to take public capital with it.
(note: my upcoming closing statement will explain why I'm invested in this and some other companies)
Unless we have some kind of clean energy technological breakthrough (see Hypersolar, HYSR, hypersolar.com and Lockheed Martin) I think most practical energy technologies over the next 10-20 years will focus on reducing and cleaning up fossil fuel use. This category is where Hydrophi falls for me. Other then Hydrophi, which we all know and love, one company that I have a small investment in is Velocys (LSE: VLS, OTCMKTS: OXFCS, Velocys.com). Velocys is a small petroleum company that uses a small Fischer-trosch reactor to act like a reverse refinery. Instead of taking durty crude oil and cooking it down into fuels, oils and waxes, leaving sulfur and other impurities, Velocys' reactor build up from simpler hydrocarbon source like Natrual Gas, to create ultra clean fuels, oils, and waxes.
Now this brings me back full circle. If we can combine ultra clean fuels and engine oils with a highly efficient engine, turbocharged by a hydroplant, in all heavy trucks and ships, then we have probably just displaced more carbon than all of the subsidies in Europe ever will.
Hey sorry for the delayed response, I'm on vacation in the UK & Ireland.
I would normally agree with you about licencing out the tech, but only when a company has a core revenue producing market that they already own. With the U.S. being a dry hole for HTPG so far, it is leaving them entirely depending on basically subcontracted help to produce revenue. The major downside being, they have now signed off market sections in the world, with out a current revenue producing market of their own and if the "subcontractors fail to produce HTPG has to wait for the contract to expire to try again in that market.
Though in the words of Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong."
Note: being on vacation, I'm several drinks into my night, so I applogise for any typing errors.
As far as the $10,000 goes, did Hydrophi directly pay it, or was it brokered through Crescendo Communication. Not sure what the link between Crescendo and Seethru is, but Crescendo seems to us them a lot. Also keep in mind there is a direct link between Crescendo and Astoria Capital (ones whom set up HTE), so it was no surprise to see HTE attending the Warsaw Seethru conference. BTW has anyone seen a recording of the presentation?
That is what I think a general issue is, using basically a third party(energia, HTE) for non-US business. With the potential in both Central America and the EU, Hydrophi should have set up their own offices.
I think they gave HPTG a pretty realistic look. If you go to seethruequity.com and register a free account, you can actually download the report for free. They based the .26 off a pretty modest growth in revenue. I think it's Crecendo that has been dropping the ball in promoting this company.
HTE is suppose to be at the Warsaw See Thru Equity conference today, so something might come out of that.
Why are so many messages being deleted? Or are my setting just messed up?
Simple, even though they pander to the left in their countries, the politicians realizes that there are currently no fuel sources that can replace fossil fuel for both electric and transportation uses. Current solar panels consume as much energy to build and maintain as they produce in their useful life span. Wind power is impractical almost everywhere. Finally nuclear power is being pushed aside because of unfounded Cold War thinking, instead of trying to improve it. Keep in mind, one nuc reactor is the equivalent of 75 sq miles of wind farms and 125 sq miles of solar panels.
These factors make 2100 pretty realistic unless we have a truly revolutionary idea like what Hypersolar is doing. If Hypersolar can pull off what they think they can do, than that 2100 just might turn to 2025.
Ok, so if they are fake PRs, please provide evidence so we can sue. Whether it is Hydrophi for misrepresentation or you for slander, we'll figure that out later.
We'll they do say in the PR, "... emphasized the importance of it's recently identified low-cost, water-based manufacturing process." So yes they told us the same thing twice, but they ment to so it to get a point across.
I think HPTG could go either way these next few months. They probably haven't paid off the right person in Mexico, so that could be up in the air. On the Europe side, the EU LIFE program letters of rejection where suppose to go out in May. HTE probably knows if they receive the grant or not, just not allowed to let anyone know. I think the biggest road block to growth is oil price. When oil prices go up again, we'll probably see hydroplants flying off the shelf. For now I'm holding a million shares at an average of a cent, so I'm in pretty good position which ever way hydrophi goes.
Please excuse any typos I'm on my iPhone.
If you are looking for something high risk, high reward there is Hypersolar (HYSR). They are a small development stage company working on a low cost nano particle that when charged by sunlight can split any source of water into Hydrogen and Oxygen. If Hypersolar can pull it off it'll easily go from .02 to well over a dollar in a pretty short amount of time.
Hypersolar.com
Where in the Polish government does your uncle work to have access to this information?
Once again, the benefits from the HTE deal are located in the 10 Oct 8K. Now that I'm back on my computer here is the text:
On September 19, 2014, Hydrophi Technologies Group, Inc. (the “Company”) finalized the terms of a License and Distribution Agreement (the “Distribution Agreement”) with Hydrophi Technologies Europe S.A. (“HTE"). Under the Distribution Agreement, the Company grants HTE the exclusive rights to market and distribute the Company’s HydroPlantTM system in Europe for five years and the Distribution Agreement will be renewed automatically after the first five years if certain conditions are met. In exchange, HTE agrees to pay the Company USD$10,000 as the initial consideration for the Distribution Agreement. Upon HTE’s receipt of the first orders following the success of a pilot test with a Europe fleet operator, which is scheduled to be conducted from October 15, 2014 to February 15, 2015, HTE will pay the Company an aggregate sum of USD$490,000 as a portion of the consideration for the Distribution Agreement. Upon reaching a total sales of USD$2,500,000 of HydroPlantTM system by HTE, HTE will pay the Company an additional USD$500,000 as the balance of the distribution agreement.
Subject to the terms and conditions of the Distribution Agreement, HTE will issue a purchase order to the Company for forty (40) HydroPlantTM units immediately after the initial capital raise of its parent company and will pay HydroPlantTM up to USD$400,000 for those HydroPhi Units, of which USD$100,000 will be paid simultaneously with the issuance of the purchase order. The Company will have the rights to name the Vice President of the Management Board and two supervisory Board members of HTE.
Nope, that's just what the 8k from Oct says.
According to the 8k dated 10 Oct 2014, HTE is suppose to pay Hydrophi $490k when the Poland deal is cut.
I think it was either $500 or $1000 per unit. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Crazy polish site; here is the text, it's from the WSE newconnect site where HTE is listed. I just use google to translate:
Zarzad spólki Hydrophi Technologies Europe S.A. z siedziba we Wroclawiu (dalej: "Emitent", "Spólka") informuje o zwolaniu Zwyczajnego Walnego Zgromadzenia Spólki, które odbedzie sie w dniu 29 czerwca 2015 r. o godzinie 11:30 w Kancelarii Notarialnej Notariusza Pawla Gandzy, we Wroclawiu przy Pl. Powstanców Slaskich 1 lok. 30.
Pelny tekst ogloszenia o zwolaniu walnego zgromadzenia Emitenta oraz tresc projektów uchwal znajduja sie zalacznikach do niniejszego raportu.