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As of 3:56 EST....
the chart on the attached link shows 12% institutional volume for today's trading on Torvec...
I hate that...
http://thomson.finance.lycos.com/lycos/iwatch/cgi-bin/iw_ticker?t=TOVC&range=0&hdate=0&i....
There is nothing I hate more...
...than having my investment increase...I hate that...very disheartening...
Continuation of things you like (ran out of room)..
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Everything you like about TOVC is listed below....
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Hi atl....
I thought it was kool as well...
Wonder what other surprises will emerge from the quiet period...is there more in the works than meets the eye...? If you go back to some of the more recent CEO updates and 8k's, there appears to be alot going on during the last 4 to 5 months....what's next?
Well done...
The "not invented here syndrome" would appear NOT to be a factor in a NASA environment.....they just want the right tech for the job....
I can see us all sitting around Tor Acres in twenty years looking back to the NASA relationship as the catalyst that woke up the OEM's to make Torvec's products the standard of the industry....
From Torvec's website....
Currus Lunae - (Using the power of the internet, which we again must reach out and thank Al Gore for inventing, I found the Latin translation)...........Lunar Chariot
NASA engaged Torvec....
That to me means revenue producing event which is far from a "distraction" as sheriff indicated..
I agree Leit...the D&C will give this about 2 inches..
Think about this...
NASA didn't bring in Eaton, Borg Warner, FEV, Dana, Superdrive, Allison, etc., etc., etc........
THEY BROUGHT IN TORVEC...validation of Torvec's tech literally by rocket scientists from NASA...!
This is a very positive development...
"Anything CXO said was approved by the G's."....
How do you know that...? That's comical...
"I'm sitting on a five figure profit I could be taking but I don't want to be sitting on the sidelines if this thing explodes".....LOL ..followed by Class action suit..LOL
For the record(you and dyna know this but keep bringing it up)....
CXO personnel(Ottolangna I beleive it was)), not the Gleasmans, said weeks not months...they(CXO) were removed. Since the company cleaned house the stock price is up 300% and the company apperars to have alot going on..
I don't know all of the Sarbanes - Oxley rules and regs, but I would imagine that they are a colassal pain in ass for a public company to deal with...but they are in place to protect shareholders...you and me...I beleive that what we see in announcements HAS to be announced, good or bad...I have comfort in that...how do you know the company isnot in final stages of a deal...have you ever closed a deal to commercialize a product in the automotive business..?... "saying nothing" might not be an otption given S-OX regs...
I still donot know what you are referring to when you say "litigation"...
We have gone back and forth with each other on this for years now...some fun...some not
I wanted a deal 5 yrs ago like everyone else, but I approach things differently than you.. I'm willing to wait for the right deal that leads to others...this isnot a trading investment for me..it's a long term play..
I thought your comment about the G's needing riot police protection was way over the line..also, what litigation are you talking about..?
Sounds like a threat sheriff...
And $10 from the litigation...? What in the world are you talking about...? You can't possibly own this stock with those feelings...there has to be some kind of mounting desparation setting in with you and your pals...I'm not frustrated like you( although a deal would be nice) I'm frustrated with your agenda...
I agree...
Really...?
Well then I say pile on the clutches...
I hate politics...LOL
I actually hate politics...sometimes I don't even vote..
I am glad you are happy..
Good morning....
Looks like another miserable day coming at you...my animal pics have hidden messages in them..you seem to be unable to decode them, nor can you find humor in them, or anything for that matter...beyond that I don't care what you think...
You're always negative..always...it's hard to warm up to that..at least sheriff has some fun with this..
So now for the 200th time, we know you are unhappy with Torvec and the management of the company...we get it...
As far as competitors producing monetary events before Torvec, most of these companies have been around for 50 years...who cares...if allnumbers and the whole Eaton gang can't get it right then they will eventually be competitors...how many times have I said that I wish this stuff had been commercialized years ago...now you indicate that something is supposed to be in the works...we'll just have to see how it plays out...do you think I want to spend the rest of my life on this board arguing with you..Try and turn off the negative force field for a while and try to have some fun with us...by the way lynx loves my animal pictures..
As sheriff says ..think happy thoughts...do you like puppies..?
Barry...
Tor Acres has declined your application for residency...
Almost forgot...
This picture remind you of anything..?
http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/monkeyhuddle.jpg
What's next....
The octo-clutch.....the milli-clutch.....we'll be needing two or three passengers just to operate the clutches...I think if they add few more clutches it will actually produce fuel..
and how is your day going..?
And a fine hideho to you this afternoon riff...
Hi Landman...
Two things cause that IMO...
One is simple supply and demand.....
The other is MM's creating supply and demand...
Here's an article from Management Accounting Quarterly from a few years ago that discusses MM manipulation..
http://www.imanet.org/pdf/1832.pdf
Seriously sheriff...
I didn't think that one really needed an answer...Show me a OTC.BB stock that has too much cash...I don't care if there are 15 deals that are "close" ...cash is king and Torvec has never had an oversupply...
Also, there is no such thing as a "without shorts" scenario on any OTC.BB or pink sheet stock, TOVC included...
Nice 100 share tape painting at the closing bell ...
Sherriff...
So you are absolutely 100% certain that no shares of Torvec were shorted today..? BillJ didn't say anything about selling pressure...he said it looked like NITE was doing alot of covering today...they were sitting on the bid for quite a while today...
Are you going to continue the whole "I hate the Gleasman's" thing again..it's been several years and 3 aliases worth of that from you...can't we just let the record stand that you hate the G's and JG... .why don't you just cleanse yourself in one post and spew everything you hate about JG and the Gleasman's..kind of like a Gleasman high -colonic for yourself...let it all out...that way we can focus on things less emotional for you relating to Torvec...
Bill....
There in no death spiral financing associated with this company....it is basically a debt free, fully reporting company
Lucky for you .............
...that you don't own any shares anymore...since it has no staying power
Have you viewed the info on the link ..?
http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html
No...not true...
Walt is now working at a hedge fund in Florida...
Sheriff....
How many crooked hedge fund operators are there in the world...?
How many of the 2000 plus Broker - Dealers are crooked...?
How many unscrupulous individuals are there working within the Broker -Dealer /MM side that are crooked....? Local,Regional, National, International...?
How many groups with a connection to a crooked broker Dealer are there out there....?
Why are the answers to all of these questions in your world ZERO..?
Here's different way to look at it...
Does anyone know why investors would be wanting to buy $220,000 of TOVC PFd since 11/3/06...? Mine has a more positive ring to it...yours is negative as usual...
Why do more people want to get their hands on TOVC's PFD...?
Did you take an hour to view the information...?
Hi beach...
I have a number of theories on that...a few of them willnot be shared here but would make your skin crawl...they involve intracate dot connecting though ....I think there are a number of short players or groups and have indicated that before....first hardly anyone believed there were shorts on TOVC..I was made to try and look like the village idiot in my discussion about that(that role of the village idiot has been taken on by someone else - no sheriff it's not you)...then the public short position gets listed...now I throw out the opinion based on new information that there could be as much as 3 or 4 million FTD's on Tovc and sherriff comes on in a nanosecond to tell me I'm goofy...he was one of the guys leading the charge to dispell the fact that there was any short position on TOVC at all...
How many crooked hedge fund operators are there in the world...?
How many of the 2000 plus Broker - Dealers are crooked...?
How many groups with a connection to a crooked broker Dealer are there out there....?
People can either leave the blinders on or for some reason try to convice others that this stuff doesn't happen...the fact is..it does...as usual, it will remain one of my favorite topics on the forum....
Hi lynx...
What was disturbing to me is that on 1/1/05, the SEC grandfathered the then outstanding FTD's (Failure to Deliver) positions thereby burying the evidence of what may be hundreds of crooked Broker Dealers and exposing their illegal trading activities...this was supposedly done to avoid the sytemic, global unraveling of the securities markets as a whole...For that, the SEC can kiss my %&@..!
I would once again like to thank Al Gore for inventing the internet.....
You are obviously not watching the presentation.....
Sheriff...
Be slightly open minded....you havn't had anhour to watch the presentation...please do so and then call me anything you want....
Just spent an hour watching the presentation from the link in your post.....I have pasted the link below....
THIS IS A MUST WATCH FOR ALL....after revieiwng, I am changing my answer to lynx regarding whether the MM manipulation stops if TOVC moves off of the OTC.BB exchange and onto a larger exchange...the answer is NO...If anyone is interested in truly learning what goes on, you have got to watch the first 60 minutes of this presentation....it is an eye opener..!!
So as we view what seems like a relatively small PUBLISHED short position of 135,000 shares.....make note that the # shown represents that which cleared through the DTCC....that number doesnot include that which is run through the ExClearing system which is Broker Dealer to Broker Dealer without going through the DTC....it is done with a system of IOU's for stock certificates BD to BD, per the President of the DTC himself, only 20% of the business is cleared via DTC, which leaves 80% going EX Clearing or BD to BD........what you will learn in the presentation is that the percentage of Strategic Failure to Deliver occurrences is a huge #...Strategic Failures to Deliver is what we call Naked shorting...
A question that gets asked alot over the years, and I mean years, is why when Torvec had positive news did shares for sale always show up and either knock the price down or diminish the upside....? I have been wondering where in the world the stock has been coming from to feed this run....I donot know anyone that has sold ANY shares of TOVC...they are all HOLDING or have added to position...I now have a much clearer picture of the source / sources of many of the shares which have been supplied for sale....The only way to know if the shares of Torvec credited to your account are real or are "IOU's" is to taker delivery of the certificates...
I will go out on a limb here and suggest that there are 3 to 4 million shares of Torvec naked short via Strategic Failures to deliver....If Iam correct, and Torvec announces deals, this will be a freaking moon shot....I beg you to watch the presentation at the link below...you will then get a chance to "see" what is at stake...pay attention to the numbers and follow the presenter all the way through...you will be glad you did...
http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html
Hi dig...
I read thru it and didn't see anything that we didn't already know...
What makes you think shorts weren't selling more shares into this run up to try and keep a lid on the price..? That would mean a growing short position..
When does the dam burst..? Since you aren't happy when it's up or down, go back to sleep and I'll wake you when I think the shorts are really experiencing some discomfort...