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BOB...you ever buy something and then werent happy with it after you bought it? Not that complicated to understand. After false promises etc for 2 years the average person gets a little tired of it. I for one expected things to happen in 2005 based on the launch of PC a year earlier, and the paint business being profitable. By the end of 2005, I was very dissappointed with the progress. Just as many here now have expressed the same dissappointment over the past several months.
Its that short squeeze everyone was talking about yesterday, that wasnt nothing more then another attempt to pump the stock.
why dont you get your BS straight. I never said I worked on any subs. Just shows your agenda dont it? And do I sense some jeolousy because I have been around the block more then you. I said I worked with nuclear weapons. You ever heard of land based NUKES? Look up the honest john rocket, which was phased out during my tenure in the military, and then look up the lance missiles which I was reclassified to when the rockets were phased out. I bet you will find both carried 3 types of warheads, training, conventional, and nuclear.
I have already prooved I dont need what you and the other longs here have, because my DD has proven for 8 months now to be far more accurate then any of you longs. Sp no I am not whining about it. Just stating the facts as they are. But of course to you thats whining, while at the same time your gripes are constructive criticism right?
LOL..........your statement about being a man about it is just too funny. Maybe you should direct those comments to those who dont reply to my posts, but instead claim to address me through others. They claim I am a paid basher and thats why.
Well guess what. I too dont respond to those I believe to be paid pumpers. And yes that is a profession, that even the SEC acknowledges, even though they dont acknowledge any paid basher profession.
As for addressing you directly, what a joke. I havent run away from challenging anyone on this boards statements, and that includes you. And unlike you, I am man enough to post what I have to say on the public forum here to be scrutinized and attacked by all. Unlike you and your latest email stunt, claiming to have info no one here has and will only share it through private emails and only to those longs you trust and are friends with...now that is real funny.
Makes one wonder just why you were so afraid to post it publicly, and then claim the reason is you dont want the bashers to know about it? What a joke.
Let me respond to this one and the others I have read.
First of all Chartist is right. One person mentions Chartists likability factor. Well How about Maes likability factor. Chartist corrected a false statement made by brikks. Mae jumps in and tells him basically to get lost, because he dont belong here(likable?) She also asks "WHO CARES?"
Chartist points out that apparently many care because of his people marks compared to hers. Of course he didnt use those exact words but its the way I interpreted it. I dont see that as an ego problem, I see it as him pointing out to the one who asked the question, that apparently more care about his chart analysis then care about her posts.
So who is Mae to jump into a discussion, where Chartist corrects the facts, and tell him he has no business here on a public message board?
As for attacking anyone, I dont think Chartist led the attack, and his opinion of some posters here is SPOT ON as some here would say?
And finally as for the leaders here strong and accurate grasp on where the company is headed, please dont make me laugh so hard. The leaders here have claimed the same thing for 9 months now, and every quarter the catalyst changes. Now they are all saying its the 4th quarter things will move with the pps. Nine months ago it was the December annual meeting things would move, and they did after that meeting, problem is they moved in the opposite direction. Then it was when Cornell finishes selling. Well Cornell finished selling and the pps still went in the opposite direction. Then it was the next annual meeting, and after that meeting the pps still went the opposite direction. Then it was when we see a full quarters numbers from the acquisitions, and we saw those numbers and the pps still went down instead of up. Now its the launch of Qode in the 4th quarter and the pps will reverse. Time will tell on that one as well, but I have a feeling many here will be dissappointed. So where is this strong and accurate grasp you speak of?
No Beam all of your assertions are incorrect. First off I own over 100,000 shares. Secondly I said I owned more shares then MOST the officers. I was excluding board members, since I dont see them as corporate officers. And its a fact there is only one officer who owns more then 100,000 shares at the time of that post. So my claim was FACTUAL. So it was never narrowed down and without the acquisitions, my claim would still be accurate today. Matter of fact even if you included the board members my claim would have been accurate. As of today I dont know what the numbers are because there are a lot of new officers with the new acquisitions, so I dont know what they hold of NEOM yet. But I still hold more shares then the CEO as I pointed out and the majority of the entire officer and board member crew of the old NEOM.
Please go find the post where I say I owned more then ANY officer. Again twisting what I said to meet your agenda.
as was just posted, theres a whopping 6 million shares short, which can be covered in 1 day if every short covered their position. The days to cover is based on AVERAGE DAILY VOLUME but if the shorts want to cover, you would have one day of high volume and that would be about it. And with over 600 million shares outstanding, there will be plenty of sellers to cover 6 million shares in one trading session. A short squeeze of significance occors on a stock with a low float, and a lot of shares short and outstanding. Not on a stock where the shorts are less then 1 percent of the float.
well apparently those generating the hype dont understand this stock. First there are not enough shares shorted to effect a short squeeze that would amount to anything. And the shorts that are out there know there are plenty of shares available thanks to NEOM for them to be able to cover in less then 1 trading day, so the possiblity of a short squeeze is slim to none, with a float like NEOMs.
The rise in PPS was the retail investors buying, from all the pumping going on on various message boards. I am willing to bet it has nothing to do with shorts trying to cover.
Did you read the article? To state that they would be marketing to ones with NO INTEREST is a little dissengenious isnt it?
As is clearly stated in the article, which apparently you didnt read, you have to opt in and select items of interest, and they even say they will be very cautious to protect your privacy and interests, or the model wont work. So they are well aware of your concerns, and see them as concerns as well, if abuse occurs. But it dont stop the fact its already in use, and even here in the US, so apparently there is some interest from consumers this early in the game.
Who would of thought, that you could walk by a store, and if its having a promotion on items you selected as items of interest, your phone calls you to let you know they have a sale on those items? So much for the point and click owning the only bridge connecting the consumer to the retail world. And wait, didnt some here say the simplicity of point and click was more attractive then typing in bar codes? How simple is it to have your phone call you to tell you theres a sale on?
Tes this technology will also have its limits, but over time there will be a lot more programs such as this one out there, that can alert you of discount coupons, allow you to buy tickets etc, through your cell phone, after it calls you.
This is just one of the many work arounds to cross that bridge, that you will see in the coming months and years, and apparently this technology is already being used in the US as your second article refers to.
OT.MM
You state TRADER was right back in JULY of 2003 and I was wrong.........look at this 5 year chart and particularly look at the stock price in July 2003 and look at the price in August 2006....Do you see where its gone no wheres in 3 years? And NEOM is in the same position as this company was then. Holds all the patents etc. We will see what that delivers for NEOM down the road as well wont we?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TFSM&t=5y
apparently you dont have a clue on that stock either. Its still trading below 2.00 a share 3 years later when he claimed it would go to 5.00 a share in 2003. Or do you know how to price a stock after an RS which that company did, hense the 9.00 share privce currently. It was a 1-5 RS making the stock under 2.00 split adjusted. Ypu better get a clue on these penny stocks, if you dont even realize an RS multiplies the stock price by the number of shares in the split.
As for promoting NEOM, if you were around when TRADER was around, then you know I was promoting NEOM when it was .07 and buying at .07, so your claim that I bought NEOM high back then dont hold water either. You know and I know Trader dissappeared in the fall of 2003, and what was NEOM trading at then?
8eights.........you dont have a clue what my posting history is except here, and I said when it was at .40 it was going down, and 9 months later its gone down, so I dont think thats picking them after the fact. Apparently you do see it that way however, because it dont fit your agenda. I think I was the only one here predicting a drop, against all you longs, and who is right so far.
And before you comment on whats about to happen, go check my early posts of Dec and January. I also predicted that 12 months out the stock would still be in the .40 to .50 range. Check it out. I also said it would be 18 to 24 months before this technology was mainstream, contrary to what you and others claimed, and we are halfway through that period and its still not mainstream is it.
Maybe you better look at your analysis and not mine in the future. Oh strike that, maybe you better pay more attention to my analysis in the future, and less attention to your own flawed theories.
MM..your very first post on this board filled with pump where you stated the following on 20 August, the day your alias was born...you want to tell us how many news articles on NEOM were released last week? I thought so.the answer is ZERO
"If you did not buy this past week, you better hurry on Monday........multiple news items this week.....lots happening in Chinese on MULTIPLE fronts.......
pragmatic or realistic? You state those already in will be in for a wild ride. How about those already in need the stock to run 100 percent just to get back to break even?
Let me remind you of some of your own over optimistic hype.....all that connecting the dots etc, and look how wrong you were on this one.....
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=9359367
and internet advertising didnt take a hit, when the tech boom happened, even though it was a cutting edge technology?
As for mobile marketing in China and NEOM, what do you have to show they have a foothold in that market that other companies there dont already have? Are NEOMs patents valid in China?
Cloud8........I just read this news article and its directly related to what you stated in your post. Funny how the fed chairman thinks the economy is sick, or at least slowing down considerably, and is concerned that protectionist methods may deteriorate it even further. According to him, the same China that has been mentioned here so often is no longer in talks with us on the global trade issue, and has more and more been taking the side of the arab nations we are at war with or fighting terrorist with. Funny how this article is less then 1 hour old as I type this, and here we were discussing it earlier. Maybe he reads the message boards, and wanted to set things straight..LOL.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060825/bernanke.html?.v=4
apparently you dont practice what you preach, and only read info that supports your bias as well.
The fact is, that the average consumer is about tapped out. Personal finance debt is at its highest level ever. The housing boom which helped carry the US economy for the past 6 years is in a drastic slowdown.
You mention what the economy has been through the past 6 years. Well a war always strengthens the economy, so the war has helped a lot. That coupled with the booming housing market where the 2 major factors that kept this economy moving forward and not backwards.
Will the economy bust? I doubt it. Will the economy experience a slow down? More then likely yes. Consumers are not buying the big ticket items as they have in the past. Thats why the automobile and housing sectors are experiencing the slow downs. When the housing markets slows down, that creates higher unemployment in the construction business, which was booming the past 6 years. Those laborers not building homes drive up the unemployment rate. They also no longer have the funds to buy homes or autos themselves and it trickles down through the entire market.
So yes it will effect companies like NEOM etc. Those construction laborers are the ones usually looking for discount coupons etc. which is one aspect of the mobile marketing arena. If they are losing jobs, they arent gonna be looking for coupons for higher ticket items like computers etc. They arent going to be spending extra money for cell phone bills to text message McDonalds to enter a contest. They arent gonna be scanning images to go on the web to review a product, when the cell phone company is charging them for extra minutes etc.
And lastly over the past 6 years fuel prices werent where they are now. How many consumers at the lower levels are now using the extra cash they had left over weekly to pay the higher fuel costs? Will they eat at home more, because its cheaper then going to McDonalds? I can go on and on how one sector effects the entire economy, contrary to your statement, but I think you get the point.
I didnt see them either until yesterday all of a sudden, which is strange. And its pretty annoying to say the least to have to check a box every time you read a post to remove the warning. Funny thing is this morning I am not seeing them any more. I havent changed anything with my security software, so i dont understand it.
why every time I click on a new message now I get a message from Mcaffee about blocking a potentially harmful cookie. Each time the name of the cookie changes as well, from fastclick to eyeblaster and many others. Is IHUB now installing cookies so advertisers can track the users?
I doubt seriously its biter taste after lawsuit as is mentioned here. Virgin has a license to NEOMs technology, and adding a license for Gavitech wouldnt be that costly, and they already have to swallow their pride and get along with NEOM in order to effectively use the existing license.
thats right. phone browsers will automatically put the www and the .com or .mobi in the address, just as desktops and laptops do now. If your puter dont do it, theres a link to a small utility on pcmagazines website that you can install to have it dont for you.
Isnt it funny how day after day on this board, we here the same old "WHY is Scanbuy doing this and we arent?". Yet when someone brings up fundamentals, the arguement here is NEOM is in developement.
HELLO........NEOM was supposed to be the leader in this field, with all the bridtc. If thats true your arguement that they are still merely in developement, dont bode well for NEOM, when others seem to have gotten past the developement stage, and are putting their products to use daily. Why is it that the leader with the head start is lagging behind?
BEAM11........This morning NEOMs financials were finally posted on yahoo. I usually dont crunch numbers until they are posted.
The gross profit margins I was discussing with you right after the quarterly was released, went down not up. Yes the gross profit went up, but as a ratio to sales it dropped dramatically, from 39 percent gross profit margin the previos quarter, to 31 percent for the last quarter. So its obvious to anyone who understands numbers, that the acquisitions hurt NEOMS bottom line in a big way.
I hope you and others dont just focus on gross profit number, and instead focus on gross profit margin, because its the margin that tells you how the company is doing, not the gross profit.
You left out 1 major event? NEOM ships nearly 800,000.00 of products to JV and 9 months later recieved no payments, even though the JV has 11 million dollars.
Excellent post banks.........I couldnt help notice that the author blamed pumpers for the majority of the problem, and not a word in there about supposed "BASHERS" driving the stock in the ground.......just what are unscrupulous promoters? Message board posters with rosy glasses? The likes of TS? These are the types that drive the masses to buy the stock at an unsustainable price, due to the increased demand. Then when the stock tracks back down to a fair value, all of a sudden those same people blame the BASHERS, SHORT SELLERS, and anyone else they can fanthom up to take the heat off their own actions that helped lead to the over inflated pps in the beginning, and hense the decline. The same strategy is played out on every message board, and across the spectrum of non performing stocks.
Unscrupulous promoters, greedy insiders, pump and dump schemes and shady secondary market trading tactics all have contributed to the dire state of these companies, most of which are under-capitalized and have minimal or no revenues. For those entities, the specter of naked short selling is a handy scapegoat – but it is hardly their biggest problem
not necessarily when you look at all the facts. The department of defense dont typically use inferior products, and they are using their facial recognition software. So yes the authors statement is an opinion, but its substantiated by actions of others.
Speaking of which, those opinions also apply when it comes to NEOMs prs do they not. Which are always touted here as facts? I wonder why.
when you make statements like that, back them up with some statistical links. Name recognition has always been the motivator to developers to get out first, and thats a fact and its in every report on the subject matter you might want to research. So instead of making your unsubstantiated claims that first to market isnt successful in the majority of the times, show us some statistical data that supports that statement. Thats why every manufacturer spends billions a year between them in advertising, to get that name recognition, so you not only buy one of their products, but so you will buy many.
Bodreaux, I have been researching recognition software and systems for many years now and am invested in one of NEVINS competitors((VISG) whom I have mentioned here in the past. So I give more credence to the author of that article, then I do the opinions of those on this message board, because I have some extensive DD in that area.
Craft_work.....go find the post where I said it was a worthless purchase by NEOM. I might have referred to it as a MOM and POP business that needed loans from NEOM to stay in business, but thats different then saying its worthless isnt it.
I never said this space wouldnt some day be big. My concern was always will it be big for NEOM or for the likes of Google and others. I even pointed this out with the other stock I compared to here, which is still struggling while everyone else went right buy it and took away the big dollars.
Yes NEOM and MOBOT will be involved, but how much? Surely you dont think or are implying, they will be able to take market share from google, if google becomes a major player?
So you see, when you twist what someone says, thats how the argument gets bogged down. Not by what I originally said. So I expect you will admit you were wrong, after you search for my post right?
By the way 8eights. Answer one question for me? Why is it that NEOM developed and patented paperclick, yet wasnt the first to capitilize on it when picture phones came out? Why has Scanbuy got its foot so far in the door when NEOMs application is now being launched for the 3rd or 4th time, with all previous ones unsuccessful, if the management team is so brilliant.
Obviously any developer of a product wants to be the first to market. All the rubbish I have heard here about letting others do the heavy lifting is hogwash. A smart and motivated team of developers would do everything possible to have their design out first by them, not by some infringer. For a very long time now, Scanbuy has been developing more and more, while NEOM was still trying to brand their product, hense the name change from paperclick to Qode.
Did you read the article just posted a few posts ago. I believe it said that NEVINS product was the best and fastest on the market, and patented. So I dont think Google will need to cross NEOMs bridge. Their programmers will without a doubt find a work around to any patent bridge that stands in the way, and with the best recognition software, the rest is history.
Why didnt you bold the sentence that states that MOBOT and the other now will be competing with Google in that space. Perhaps because it dont bode well for Mobot or NEOM? The only reason it mentioned MOBOT was to point out they now had new competition the way I read it.
Whattheheck.........you did hear something. Apparently those stores havent sold a thing, because NEOM still hasnt been paid a dime, and doesnt expect to any time soon. They said in the quarterly they will include it as revenue when they can realistically expect payment. So do you really think there are 6 stores open, when they have failed to pay anything for the products shipped to them back in 2005?
Blackydog........no, thats not what I am saying. What I was trying to convey is that .40 is a reasonable price to pay for a purely speculative stock. Since you cant put a price on speculation, the sky is the limit. So at .40 the stock would still be over valued based on all the facts. It just means thats what investors are willing to pay for a song and a prayer. If the company looks good, that price would be reasonable although all the other factors dont support it.
LOL.my shares wont even cover the first months pool cleaning bill at this pps.
Thats a very good question. I think going forward, the pps will fluctuate mainly on real value. There will be some spikes that occur that are solely based on prs or other reasons, outside of performance, but mainly performance will be the key factor.
The reason I say this, and its just my opinion, is NEOM now has a very large shareholder base of retail investors. Many of these invested because of recommendations from the likes of TS. That pool of investors is now dry. You wont see such a large group jumping in all at once as you did then when a great portion of his subscribers heard about NEOM for the 1st time and jumped in. On top of that many of the retail investors, already allocated what funds they wanted to to this investment, and are in a sit and wait attitude. Another block of them after making their initial investments and then selling around .80 now moved on to others he pumps, or stick around day trading this one. So I do not see a large influx of new retail investors coming along any time soon, except from possibly the EU where all the acquisitions occurred and those people never heard of NEOM. But that is a lot smaller investment market, then the US.
Cabbie...based on its financials yes. Based on speculation alone however its undervalued. I dont have the exact figures of what the average percent is on speculative stocks, but as you probably know, it can go as high as 1000 percent. I just dont know what the average is. On a speculative only basis, .40 a share was a reasonable pps. The .80 it reached was way over the top at that time, based on what they owned then and what their finances were then. That is why when asked in December I doubted that the 1.00 everyone here was talking about would be reached by the end of this year. I remember some even suggesting I was crazy, that 1.00 was too low and it was going to 5.00, but what a difference 9 months makes.
Typically speaking, in a buy out, the premium over the pps is about 20 percent. So for instance lets say a companys stock trades at 20.00 a share. On a buyout offer, the offer might be in the 24.00 a share price range. On news of the buyout offer of course every investor wants a piece of the pie below the buy out price of 24.00 a share, so there is a surge in buying, creating a shortage and the price soon goes to 24.00 a share or higher on its own, before the buy out evver occurs. Remember I said typically. If a company wants another bad enough they might offer 100 percent premium to existing shareholders, although this is very rare. So in the case of NEOM, evn in the rare case with the pps now at .12, a 100 percent premium would boost the price to .24 a share, still far below what many of us paid. There are some real rare cases where 200 percent or more is paid, but I dont see NEOM in this scenario at this time, since their product is still in infancy, and not adopted by society yet. In this scenario it puts NEOMs market cap at about 192 million which is concievable, but the 1 billion talked about here by others wont happen in this price range.