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The Supreme Court recently heard oral arguments for a patent rights case and it is clear where Justice Neil Gorsuch stands. In Oil States Energy v. Green’s Energy Group, Oil States Energy Services attempted to sue a rival company for infringing on its patent, but they were refused by the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB).
PTAB is an arm of the Patent and Trade Office that was assigned to review the validity of existing patents. The board was given broad authority to re-examine patents already in existence and could void them, which they have a strong record of doing. In fact, according to the Washington Times, PTAB has revoked “somewhere between 62 percent and 92 percent of all patent challenges, depending on the sector.”
Gorsuch seems to recognize that the bureaucracy needs to be reined in, arguing during oral arguments that the fundamental point of property rights is that they continue into perpetuity until the judicial process intervenes. He declared that patents, once granted, are “a private right belonging to the inventor.”
Moreover, Gorsuch warned of the slippery slope involved in giving an unaccountable agency power to take away a property right. The Times reports that he made a “persuasive and straightforward” case to the other justices that “intellectual property is a fundamental property right.” Gorsuch argued that inventors, not PTAB, should have full access to their patents, once granted permission.
Tea Party Patriots were happy to see Gorsuch’s arguments, saying “If the Supreme Court rules in favor of Oil States, this would be a huge step toward making America the leader in innovation once again. With Justice Gorsuch defending intellectual property rights, inventors have a pretty good chance of winning.” A decision on the Oil States case is expected in June.
and healthy markets never go up in a straight line, without correction along the way
I know that it's a new tax year, and there are people bound to be nervous about the Apple motion, so it's not unexpected for there to be bumps.
Doesn't change the fact that the PTAB's decision in November was HUGE for Voip Pal.
great post
2018 is new tax year.
LOL -great post
Of course, that's exactly how it works....LMFAO
Call Apple and ask them....
Seriously? You expect to find a "link" to where Apple admits in court that they are infringing 815 & 005?
SMH.....
I've read the "clean sweep" decision. There's nothing "funny" about it.
Voip Pal won on the merits of their arguments....
You must be a new breed of "shareholder".......
shunned by who? by Apple? by Verizon? ATT?
shareholders?
I think VPLM has their attention....
"I feel like vplm is purposely shunned and will continue to be"
hopefully most of them were short at under 10
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/22/apple-sued-after-it-admits-to-slowing-down-older-iphones.html
Lest we feel sad for those who lost at IPR.....
Good post...Happy Holidays
EXCELLENT POST
excellent post
oh please give us a prediction for the stock for the next 2 weeks.
I hate to see investors taken advantage of, as well.....
that's why it's important to stick with objective facts rather
than random predictions of stock price.
You'd agree with that, right?
So, who won those 7 IPR's....?
Apple can do whatever it wants to stall. They lost big time at IPR. Eventually, this will get back into Federal Court and then the game is on.
Really? The PTAB was specifically created through the AIA (America Invents Act) to shoulder some of the burden of case in Federal Courts, and applies a lower standard that makes it much harder for patent claims to survive. This makes Voip-Pal's win quite extraordinary.
The Federal Courts certainly provide the defendants with another "bite at the Apple", but I'm sure they realize the significance of losing the IPR fight. The IPR is a judgement by the PTAB about the likelihood of "prevailing" by the petitioner (defendant) in Federal Court...
It's crystal clear that these rulings are NOT favorable at all for Apple, Verizon and AT&T. How "unfavorable" they are, remains to be determined...
The inter partes review procedure was enacted on September 16, 2012 as part of the America Invents Act.[2] It replaced a previous review procedure called inter partes reexamination, which in turn stemmed from ex parte reexamination proceedings. Under the ex parte system, any person at any time could challenge the validity of a patent on the basis that its claims were already obvious or unoriginal based on prior art.[3] Under post-2012 inter partes review, petitioners must demonstrate a “reasonable likelihood that” the party challenging the patent at issue “would prevail” in the dispute, rather than requiring that it demonstrate a “substantial new question of patentability.”[3]
My post does not imply. My point is that winning in IPR is an important step to winning in court.....#twistedmywords
I said YET. The path to winning in Federal Circuit Court is paved with prevailing in IPR
Well, that's not entirely true. Voip Pal hasn't won anything, YET....but the market seems to feel that the PTAB's decision mattered...
Who am I to doubt them.....
Any business reporter worth talking to regularly deals with Facebook, Apple, Google, etc...and is not going to cover this story just because Voip Pal thinks it is newsworthy. The relationships that these reporters have are vital to them and their publications....and they could lose a valued channel by pissing off one of the "big boys"....it may not be fair, but it's a realistic perspective....
As usual?
Let's see
IPR goes our way...stock goes from .02 to .20
Europe RBR comes in...stock goes up again
I'm just posting observations based on news and the market reaction....
spin away
Of course, it couldn't possibly have anything to do with Europe granting RBR....nahhhh
Ya think?
Rich's last name is spelled I N Z A
#doublewow
#justwow
"stuck below .25"?
The stock has just run from .02. Don't you think it might consolidate?
Personally, I'm impressed with how it's trading. Not giving up much..and good support when it does
If you don't correlate a HUGE spike in the price and volume to the timing of the news, you will NEVER agree that the decisions at the PTAB are meaningful. I'm not sure why you simply can't admit to what is clearly right in front of everyone. Since the PTAB decision the stock is WAY up on HUGE volume.
Furthermore the good people at IP Watchdog wrote an excellent piece on Voip Pal, supporting the fact that this IS a big deal.
http://www.ipwatchdog.com/2017/11/22/voip-pal-prevails-iprs-ptab/id=90418/
"Although the challenged patents still face invalidity challenges in U.S. district court under the Alice standard, clearing the PTAB hurdle is a big accomplishment given the incredibly high rate of patents which are rendered defective by PTAB validity trials."
#micdrop
OK, NYT - let's do it....
Stock price before IPR decision .025 - average volume - a couple hundred thousand per day
2 weeks later
Stock Price over .11, more than a 400% rise in 2 weeks on 10X volume.
And yet you state the following....
"There is no solid indication or force that makes vplm any more desirable now than they were before the IPRs, and that is my entitled opinion. "
I'm not here to debate.
I'm expressing an opinion shared by many, OUTSIDE the company who are VERY familiar with the PTAB/IPR process, both as petitioners, and as patent holders.
Their universal reaction to the news was "WOW!"
Patents that survive IPR are STRONGER.
The companies that own them go into Federal Court having survived a BARRAGE of attack from the largest companies in the world and their very expensive legal teams. The Federal Court knows that these companies have taken great pains to attack the veracity and integrity of the patents and have FAILED.
This Matters.
I guess you just don't grasp the significance of winning all 7 without a single claim being taken away.
The Federal Courts will certainly take these findings seriously, once the stay is lifted...now, that doesn't guarantee a win, but it sure doesn't hurt our chances.....
Yes NYT -of course, you are right...winning all these IPRs doesn't mean anything positive...how silly of the shareholders and the company to think otherwise...
#ohmygod
of course, NYT you're right...that's why the stock ran from .025 to a high of .14 in a few days, on 50 x normal volume....
Seriously - you're stating the opinion that 18 months of the PTAB & multiple IPR without a single claim being taken away, isn't a validation of enforceability? You do understand that this victory represents a major vetting of the portfolio.....
#speechless....
No one can measure the merits or value of this patent portfolio (or any other, for that matter) by the willingness of a company to "step up".
The PTAB-IPR system has, thus far, created a "dis-incentive" for infringers to work with patent holders, because the system has dragged out the process of patent defense.
Further, the history at the PTAB with respect to patent claims has been dismal, at best, for patent owners.
This took a significant turn on Monday.
How it plays for Voip-Pal remains to be seen, but clearly, there are reasons to be optimistic.