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They are losing 100k per Q now as it is because they took on APRU. I am not making this up. No one can tell me how they are going to pay for anything. 4000 stores. So if it costs $1000 to get product in each store....assuming they want your product.....that is $4m dollars....
The OS is what 100m ballpark. So with a market cap of 10m dollars, you have to come up with $4m....
Now here is the funny part. Besides the take it on faith part....
You still have to deal with all the debt from before....How much is that?
Then you have to advertise, market the product...
You are looking at spending your entire market cap just to get going and that is before you have even sold anything.
But like I keep asking how are you going to pay for any of this? The only answer I have gotten is faith and bad math....
Good thing you are there because based on level 2, there is a very short trip to .08s and below.
Wow. This does explain a lot.
Comparing a drug company with net revenue from their generic business and about to see their revenues triple with known FDA approved products who have financing and now positive drug trial results on billion dollar drugs to a company that is losing money and aquiring a company riddled with debt and billion(s) of shares because they make candy chews and some other nonsense products tells me quite a bit.
If you see that as a valid comparison....holy cow
Still waiting on those answers as to how they are going to pay for all this stuff. So far all I have gotten is faith and bad math....ANd I am not making that up. That is the actual answers that I have received.
Because he will keep taking shares for salary and loans like I already noted below. You just proved my point. And as the PPS gets smaller and smaller he will get more and more shares. He will increase the authorized and will continue to own a large % of the company...
ANd as the share count grows and grows those that invest today will see their investments be worth less and less. I already explained this below.
Where do you think the money is going to come from? This is a simple theme.
Costs money to have these goals
Company is currently losing money
Only thing they have is shares to sell. So they will sell shares like every other company...ANd the CEO will get his money back in further diluted shares.....
You think this is a charity?
So we are investing on faith now and magical math?
I asked simple questions about financing and share counts and such and no one can answer....why?
Because as I am now being told, it is faith.
LOL. They will use APRU shares? They haven't filed since 2012. The paper they would be printed on would be worth more money. You think they would have sold APRU so ridiculously cheap if there was value to those billion(s) of shares....that is truly funny.
I put the (s) on the end because they haven't even filed in 2 years. So no one even knows what is there in those filings. Obviously it is bad since they sold it so ridiculously cheap.
I keep getting warnings from OTC about scams regarding pot stocks and this one smells like it. I actually like the livewire stuff better but that has been a huge loser so far and they have no money.
Unless David Copperfield is going to come up with some trick to turn useless paper into money, I don't see it and have not seen anyone address my questions yet.
They can build anything they want, but since they have to dilute like crazy to get off the ground it doesn't matter. MGMT may make money, average investors not so much
Tell me exactly how many shares and debt APRU has right now.
Tell me how LVVV is going to pay for all these things they are building right now?
What kind of financing are they going to get when all you have is debt, more debt, bleeding cash at a 4:1 ratio to revenue.
We all know it will be convertible awful death spiral financing.
I can post bunches of companies with similar issues and they are now trading in the triple 000s. They have products placed in Walmart even and other stores, ....
The company may build something good but your shares won't be worth more.
I looked at it before when the APRU news came out some time ago. The problem you have here is they have to fund all this stuff which means the company will be triple, quadruple the share count. The chart shows the same issue as I explained.
Has anyone seen APRU filings? Over a billion shares and debt as of 2012..2 years later....who knows
Plus the LVVV CEO has the voting control so your Authorized is going to blow up to the billions to fund all this stuff. He won't care, he will pay himself a ton of money and probably shares so he will own a giant % of the company and the avg shareholder will lose 80% of their investment.
So even if LVVV succeeds the average shareholder is going to lose...
It will do what these type plays do. Drop, prop up, drop, prop up....
There are risks worth taking for investors in OTC. I haven't seen anything here to make it look like it is worth taking. Look at the chart like I noted originally. Maybe someone can tell me where the cash is going to come from to achieve all these lofty goals. Some things are just obvious.
But more importantly, look at the volume. Volume up front to run it up, light volume to keep it and sell off, now that the known news came out, the sell off....P&D pure and simple.
It is an interesting set of products but the OTC is littered with the carcasses of interesting products...I can name all types of these from cell phone Apps to specialy drinks....and APRU? The last filing is 2012 with over a billion shares...
Often you see a run up on these type stocks prior to the dilution. The question will be what kind of financing can a company bleeding 100k per Q who just acquired debt and whatever else is in APRU (no one really knows)....
So their options will be awful - convertible debt at prices lower then the current PPS, usually 25%, and the stock will dilute to all heck....
If you are ready to wait years, maybe they can escape but very few do and the product line here is not that incredible
What is so interesting is that this company is bleeding cash and will now bleed a lot more. So there will have to be a major infusion of cash. 4000 stores in 5 years? You know how much money that will cost if it is not a pipe dream?
The company is losing 100k per Q as it is. Now 4000 stores....
The market cap will go up big on this one but the share count will go up even bigger. So where is all this money going to come from?
Acquiring 60% of APRU which hasn't filed since 2012? What kind of rats nest is going to be in that?
I doubt it. Looks like careful manipulation up on low volume while shares were being accumulated, followed by higher volumes as the shares were sold off. The apple rush news was old news. I read about that a while ago. Thus what you have is the remaining parts of the distribution phase taking place.
Look at the volume the last three days and the price action and the increased volume. Pump on known news, sell off to those brought in by the action.
This is not that complicated. So let's correct the misinformation below.
First selling 1.7m shares when the total volume for those two days was 30m is hardly causing a selloff. That would be 6% of the volume.
If they were selling at the top, they would have sold in the .90s not at .89 and .67. So that point is nonsense
This is nothing new as they sell some shares most quarters. This was discussed on the CC. The never sell their full allotment and it is not actual insiders of the company. You can pull the exact quotes from the CC transcript if you want. They also have to pay Elite for a lot of products. These were all announced. I believe it is 6 or 8 in the short term maybe more if you look at the different strengths plus Isradipine is launching shortly.
Epic has to pay for all the manufacturing and transfer costs associated with the products. They have tons of shares. Of course they would sell some shares to pay for this. They paid .04 or maybe less for them. Wouldn't you use a small % of those shares to get the liquidity to pay for all those products?
Let's see what else?
Oh yeah, trials are about to begin on $2.7B products, and expect a financing/partnership announcement shortly, launch of Isradipine and so on......
GUGS has been on the bid all day
They have real money. And real facts. I am betting they are far more in the know on these matters. I have done my own DD and confirmed the same. Seems trials are going to be starting shortly.
Thus all the manipulation for the run up and anouncements....and a few other items for those that dig a little deeper...
Thanks for trying to help me here but I am going to be just fine. Like I said I am batting 1,000 on these things.
Kind of like that other play we are both in. Very similar scenario. Trials impending. Positive results expected, science is getting to be better known and in this case real world info already exists to back up the science...
That one went up something like 1500% for me on trial starts, expectations, funding, increasing revenues, and highly undervalued....and is actually just getting started. Rode it for a long time understanding the business plan. Same here with multiple scenarios that will play out to the upside.
It is a theme I look for
I actualy seek out the manipulation and looks like I found a good one here. Want to know the formula?
Increasing Revenues, breakthrough indications/life saving tech, quality trustworthy management, funding in place to reach goals, low market cap, undervalued and manipulation to bring the price down for accumulation.
Good thing Institutions have better data. Good thing so does the investment community as does the US government. I am still going to chose to believe those with actual $10m on the line and eyes on buying far more. Like I said, heard the same things at .07, .09 and will hear them at .50. Just the way it works.
Lots of manipulation out there but the smart money is betting on CTSO
http://www.partnering360.com/insight/showroom/id/0_6zughupx/scroll/full
I am still going to follow the ones putting their money out there first. Institutions and Real money...$10m to start in order to accelerate revenues at a higher price then it currently trades. And to get trials started. All of which greatly increases shareholder value.
I heard similar things about this company at .07 and .09. I owned shares back then too. I am sure I will hear similar things at .50.
Just the nature of the market.
So the institutions investing 10 million dollars / 40m shares at .25 were duped.....lol....I am betting they were not and I already know I am right. I am betting on them too....
These guys must be fooled too
http://www.partnering360.com/insight/showroom/id/0_6zughupx/scroll/full
US GOVT must have been duped too
Lots of manipulation though. That has been obvious
We have seen just the opposite. A highly undervalued stock being manipulated as it is being accumulated and then the stock will be run up. Institutions just bought 40m shares at .25...and have warrants to buy 20m more at .31.
Gonna guess they know better. In fact my group has found that P&D claims on highly undervalued stocks are generally tied to the accumulation. Thus we will see false articles written in the regular rags like Hotstocked claiming P&D or newsletters or similar avenues to get people to sell on the next run to accumulate further until the shares are bought up for the larger run. My group is batting 1000% on these type scenarios.
If you can mix the diamonds in with the chaff, naive investors will sell out early expecting a P&D or sell off ignoring the underlying value of the company. Thus manipulators hire folks like Hotstocked or other rags to write these articles when the time comes.
BTW - where is the "pump" articles? I haven't seen any yet.
I see history is repeating itself. Who could have predicted that...lol
Value of the company is heading into stage two....
That is and has been the key and what matters. The difference with Elite compared to most Pharma companies is that the success of one trial, now two, really means the success of all the trials...
The science is the same from product to product. It is really just generic drug making. Thus the market cap and valuation is not really based on one product, it is based on many products. Now twice daily is $2.7B which more then justifies a 500m cap but what you really have to realize is that Elite is going ater 15 Opioid products now. That is many billions....
And since the science is the same for the products, the success of one is really the success of them all. And the company should have a valuation much much higher. If you believe in the company and science on one product, you believe in them for all products.
Some things become obvious....
The funding is what makes them such a strong company right now. That is the ironic part to all of this. It allows them to expedite and accomplish what they need to....in the short term....That makes the company much more valuable today then it was before the financing.
40m shares they own. Small loss $1m-2m dollars? If they wanted to they could have run the price up and not down by selling. If it took 17m shares to bring the price down when avg volume is about 1.2m, that means there was a lot of buying and demand for those shares.
They would have run it up to sell them off not that selling them off immediately makes any sense any way...but just another hole in the theory.
Who bought 17m shares on Friday? MMs will sell shares to buy back and create fear. And hire outside sources to help in their manipulation.
Your theory makes no sense to me because it doesn't hold water.
What is occurring is that market makers or institutions or both have hired an outside firm most likely to do what they can to accummulate shares and then the stock will run up several multiples of where it is today and then they will sell off...Watching the trading was a big first clue.
Accummulation and distribution. It is common in undervalued breakthrough companies.
Use common sense
The institutions didnt buy to sell the shares. That is silly. Can you imagine the pitch.
"Ok, we are going to buy 40m shares at .25 for $10m dollars"
"Then we are going to immediately sell all those shares at a big loss"
"Why would we do that?"
"So we can get the opportunity to buy 20m shares at a price much much higher"
"Why not just hold onto the shares we have then and make a profit"
"So we can sell them less and lose money but have the option to buy them 50% higher?"
"Do you think the price is going to be half of what it is now?"
"Huh"
"exactly"
"What are we financing exactly anyway?"
"Rapid growth of a business and FDA trials on a product already known to work"
"So once trials are underway and revenue is growing wouldnt the value of the company be increased significantly?"
"well yes"
"Well then why not sell the shares we just bought at a profit and not a loss?"
"Shhhhhh....that just makes sense..."
Yeah, there is a clear attempt to manipulate the price and investors right now as evidenced by the trading. I have seen this game before with these finance deals. you know what they say about a fool and his money being separated.
I am sure you are aware and the price action dictates. BTW, I saw Institionals popping up heavy on level 2 on Friday....if you know what and who to look for....;)
Great link.....Yes as we now see, instituions are involved. Watching the trading on Friday showed me that too.
Wow. The warrants are being cashed too? I don't think that has been announced. But institions are obviously very confident in growing this company by buying 40m at .25.
The money goes to further developing the products, rapidly growing revenues and getting the FDA trials underway/. Which greatly increases the value of the company. Which means the institutions will make big money off the stock and then cash in those warrants later as the price natually aprreciates well beyond .30 cents...
It is a really good financing deal. Sets a floor. Some will say that there is some nefarious aspect to this which is utter nonsense. But you will have manipulation and others acquiring as many shares below .25 as they can in the short term.
Cool. Thanks
Anything new here? Still holding my small chunk of shares. No reason to sell now anyway. I see all the posts last couple days but can't figure out if there is something new going on.
That is how I see it
James,
This is exactly correct.
And the answer is "Every Loan Takes Patience."
You are correct and it doesn't make sense for them to turn around and sell them. Did you see the volume....What has probably happened is a floor has essentially been set. So you will have a lot of manipulation to do the following
Cover short positions
Accumulate shares below .25
Then you will see a run up.
I would be surprised if one of those shares purchased at .25 made it to the market
The post about hand wringing over the big moves is true. We would all prefer to see 1% increments everyday but the big drops and rises will tear a hole in stomach until you learn to control it and recognize your own emotions.
Nothing is ever wrong with taking some profit but how you go about it is obviously part of who you are as an investor and in general I suppose. We all have to do what is right for ourselves.
We are only about 20% of the way up this escalator really. 2 products in trials / trialed. 13 more to go? Just for ADT.....
Breathe deep and focus on the company.
That is the funny part. Trials on a 2.7B product are going to be announced shortly and a financing/big partnership as well. and a patent and drug launches.....
Company is blowing up on many fronts
Why did an institution just buy $10m worth of stock at .25? I am going to bet they did their DD. The rest of what you posted is simply untrue.
This reminds me of that other company we are in,
Great technology, financing company funding trials, increasing revenues, low priced and undervalued. Went from .07 to .94 recently. I suspect we will see the same pattern here....We will be in an accumulation mode and then the price will quadruple or more.
The institutions didnt buy to sell the shares. That is silly. Can you imagine the pitch.
"Ok, we are going to buy 40m shares at .25 for $10m dollars"
"Then we are going to immediately sell all those shares at a big loss"
"Why would we do that?"
"So we can get the opportunity to buy 20m shares at a price much much higher"
"Why not just hold onto the shares we have then and make a profit"
"So we can sell them less and lose money but have the option to buy them 50% higher?"
"Do you think the price is going to be half of what it is now?"
"Huh"
"exactly"
"What are we financing exactly anyway?"
"Rapid growth of a business and FDA trials on a product already known to work"
"So once trials are underway and revenue is growing wouldnt the value of the company be increased significantly?"
"well yes"
"Well then why not sell the shares we just bought at a profit and not a loss?"
"Shhhhhh....that just makes sense..."