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Isn't it funny how credibility on the shorts hit pieces differ when it is a board favorite like CCME was(LOL). Everybody attacks the publisher.
Inretrospect, now all hit pieces are Gospel. Right , wrong , or indifferent I applaud companies fighting back.
Posters make it very obvious where they stand.
10 Catalysts for a much higher price as follows:
1) Positive update on the manufacturing plant
2) 2011 guidance with earnings numbers attached
3) Launch of health and beauty products
4) Annoucement of an upgrade with auditor
5) Earnings of .15+ for Q4(My estimate is .13)
6) Launch of non nicotene cigs + with additional launches planned
7) Expansion of Cig Manufacturing Capacity Due to Strong Demand
8) Patent News
9) Small Cap Institutional Investment
10)Announcement of Intent to Uplist
Looking for a VERY upbeat PR on Thursday. This is the year we see the uplisting and the BIG picture becomes very clear.
But isn't calling Maj a dufus just a little bit out of line??
I believe .13 a share if my memory is correct. They are making a killing!
I talked with Amy at Hawk Associates and she made out like the Kodiak deal was cancelled. However, with all the volume where in the hell did it come from if it didn't happen?
Agree as I have made more money trading than I've ever made long-term. Like Joe I was up close to 2800% in 2009 and down 50% in trading account in 2010. Thought I'd stop paying all those taxes and get some l-term tax rates...wrong
So what did I do...put all my eggs in ckgt.ob only to watch it drop precipitously since 1/01/2010.
BSPM and many others will run very hard. While many have left this space for greener pastures the huge rewards lies for the investors/traiters, opps I mean traders who have the intestinal fortitude required. While there will be speed bumps and a few speed traps(greed)this space will once again thrive. Many investors have left this space never to return. It's kind of like the great depression when people lost everything vowing to never return. Well the market did recover and they were left out. The same is going happen here.
As far as changing the scope of this board from CGS to anything else I am oppsed. If anyone would like to bring other investment ideas why not just preface with an OII or other investment idea or just OT. Just my 2 cents.
This has been part of the reason I am skeptical of dilution. With all the DD I've done the possibility is always there. No conspiracy theories but why would anyone sell here unless they have margin issues or maybe they have just thrown in the towel with all these RTO'S. With all these T1 Halts anything is possible.
"Yea, I think a lot of investors see nutraceuticals and TCM as "mumbo-jumbo Chinese medicine man snake oil" and won't invest. In fact, more than a few people have told me that in the past about CKGT. I don't think that perception is just anecdotal either- I truly believe there is a large population of (more) serious investors that wouldn't touch CKGT in the past because it was a TCM company that will see it as an attractive investment alternative in the future because it's a cigarette company."
I am a believer in TCM especially with cactus as all R%D points to a healthiar lifestlyle. To what degree this plays into CKGT's future is not known. This should become clearer as Q4 numbers are revealed. But what is known is ckgt.ob is involved with Chinese government in the developement of a safer cig. The Chinese government is also reducing the amount of brands from 80 to less than 20 within 5 years. See link below.
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90778/90860/7192765.html
"As we know, CKGT has not shown the numbers to show that turn yet, but when they do,(and I think that it will happen in q4 with more confirmation in q1), we'll see a whole new breed of investors getting in that are bullish on owning the only Chinese cigarette company that trades on a US exchange."
We do know they epect to do $12.2 Mil in Sales with #1.2 Mil in Cigs. Read last 2 paragraph of the link below which was Dec.15 two full weeks before Q4 ended.
http://www.hawkassociates.com/pdf/profile/CKGT.pdf
IMO, it is only a matter of time before we see a major investment by a large cig manufacturer or an alright buy out. With cig usage down in the US/Europe it is only a matter of time before consolidation...any thoughts or comments are welcome even contrary to mine...Steven
Look for $10MIl in Cigs in 2011
Look for $10Mil in FEED in 2011
Look for $18MIL in Beverages in 2011
Look for $12Mil in Neuticeuticals for 2011
Look for $3Mil in ETC(Raw material)for 2011
$53 Mil Revenues for 2011 with a forward PE of 1
Just running out of patience here. We are down 77% from our high of $2.99 from 15 months ago with a real verifiable business. Yet we are thrown in with the likes of company's raising funds who claim to have millions. Very disappointed that we have not had (1) PR from management. I know that Hawk Associates sent a collegue to take pictures etc but for crying out loud the company needs to start promoting this and get the price up. However, in spite of my conspiracy(LOL) theory and complaining I'm here for the duration.
Many Chinese companies are getting PE's of 4-8 while we could very well be trading at a PE of 1 for 2011. That is my frusteration in trying to rationalize everything. We are less likely to be a fraud than most as our accounting issues were addressed back in 2009.
With this continued selling at this low level I am convinced we will see or hear about dilution or possibly comcerns of the new facility. Sure would be nice for an update.
Thanks tradinghawk,
Amy told me the same thing. They expect the 10k to be filed by the end of the month. Bought some walgreens today at the open with good earnings only to see the stock tank.
Please do. Very interested! What is your interest?
Looks like your rantings with ckgt.ob did not go unnoticed. Hopefully you are right as snow took your advice. If you are wrong you lose nothing...how sweet!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=61170105
Providing they know nothing. Management is very tight lipped thus I doubt any leaks...but who knows
Looks like somebody wants out bad. Again probably tired of watching other stocks go up while ckgt.ob just sits and spins its tires.
Would be nice to get some type od update with the new facility.
I can't buy until funds clear. Hopefully tommorrow. It sure is frusterating to see the continued selling. Probably people tired of waiting while watching others continue to go up. Surely it is not a leak of earnings.
Again, my concern is dilution.
Agreed but as of now they have only paid .01 if I'm not mistaken. Remember CCME was also going to pay a dividend. Hopefully they do as they say.
"KEYP - Yes, absolutely. Personally, I think that dividend is just a front to get the price up for another offering."
Funny you said that as I thought the same about SIAF.PK and they still have not upgraded to a higher exchange. I realize they have some foreign investors that are very excited about their future as this group visited company. The token dividend IMO is merely a joke.
As far as CKGT.OB Gary did visit company while in China. He could have been given a snow job, I tend to give Gary more credibility than most. While many on this board have their own agenda.
As far as credilility Traderfan and Drexion also come to mind.
People who flop within a couple of days without sound reasoning surely is a person with ulterior motives.
With volume close to 200k and our friends on this board calling this a complete fraud....why would anyone buy even in the 20's. OK Einstein here is your chance.
Its a worthwhile read with Q4 estimates for cigs...up 100% from Q3 and 50% higher than Q2 to $1.2 MIl. The first million dollar Q. They must taste terrible(LOL)!
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=6804&mn=1068&pt=msg&mid=9976501
"FWIW I think regular cigarettes stink and taste funny too....wink wink"
Agree! Luckily I never had this addiction...however I love my ice cream(LOL)
"friend sent me some CKGT cigarettes, they stink and taste quite funny, but they look cool enough and are close enough to standard cigarettes that I believe with the right marketing they could be branded as a hip, low-nicotine product for the converse or party crowd. They would sell in Europe at least."
While I don't smoke I received them last year and passed them out to a few friends. They felt as though they tasted like a weak Marlboro. Out of 6 smokers only 1 did not like them at all. Four people liked them and one had no opinion either way.
Welcome back Gary. Certainly glad to have you back!
The real reason I like CKGT.OB is because they have NO cash. It seems all these companies that have been accused of being scams have a lot of cash.
Still wonder why ckgt.ob would ever get into a situation where they are literally cash broke?
Was the acquisition of patents and cig manufacturing plant going to be that lucrative?
That is the $50K question that we are all awaiting an answer. Again I believe the answer is a resounding yes.
I believe they had their problems with auditor in 2008 and since then totally resolved.
It would be nice to get a 10k tommorrow...or atleast a timely one within 2 weeks. I look for 2011 guidnce of $48 Mil.
May be a buyer tommorrow if the price is right.
Here is todays trades for anyone interested. Only opening trade was in the 50's as far as I can see.
http://quotes.freerealtime.com/dl/frt/M?IM=quotes&symbol=CKGT&type=Time%26Sales&SA=quotes
Was it more than a couple of hours and did you verify?
CCME was a no-brainer after they halted trading. Obviously they would not halt the trading to put out a PR that good news was coming. It happens so rare yet mention that on CGS board and you would have been neutured unless you were within the select "group". To think now you still have people saying once this is done everything will be just fine. What in the h re they smoking???????
Sent money in Friday and will be buying as soon as funds clear. Yes I will continue to buy China stocks.
Any thoughts on hsyt.pk or csgj.ob?
Thinking about csgj.ob as a better buy and with China doing all this low income housing it certainly could be the better buy... but then again hsyt.pk could definately benefit.
decisions decisions
Different rules for different boards but you certainly make a valid point.
Exactly what is the function of a moderator?
Maybe it is time to start another board here on which CGS stocks to short?
This was a great board discussing the merits of buying and selling but is rapidly changing. It was filled with excellent DD with links and numerous stock ideas.
Now with reports from MW and Citron attacking CCME everything is junk. Personally I don't buy this fallacy and expect most stocks to reverse course in short order(after 10k released). Between China & India they have collectively grew their economies between 7-10% annully for years with surpluses creating a middle class.
While here in the US we are printing money and running budget deficits unparrelled at any time in our history with more people out of work and an unemploment rate that is double to what is reported.
The biggest negative I have saw in this space is company's purporting to have millions yet doing secondaries and raising money with no regard to share price. As always they need this cash for acquisitions etc. This has been a red flag for me along with these so called payouts in shares for future years. This is dilution and usually the shares are free.
Again let's get this board on topic and find the undiscovered gems instead of "all reverse mergers in China are fraud" as this to will pass.
With everything dropping like a rock my guess is we see the .75 Traderfan predicted...unless we get some news. Goin go find something to do as this is getting boring.
Sweeping changes in China Promised
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/China-promises-sweeping-apf-1835331927.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
germoney this is a responce I got from IR lasat month. While I expect some dilution I certainly don't see them going overboard.
From: "Amy Lin" <amy@hawkassociates.com>
To: <38029213@ligtel.com>
Cc: "Frank Hawkins" <f.hawkins@hawkassociates.com>
Subject: Response to your question-CKGT
Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:40 AM
Hi Steven,
Sorry for the late reply.
We don't have any further comment from the company on the Kodiak deal at this point.
The management is considering optional sources of financing that will reduce the potential impact of dilution.
We will keep you posted.
Thank you for your interest in the company.
By the way, do you have any thoughts about the packaging of the cigarettes I sent you? The company is studying its presentation to the market place and would welcome any thoughts you have.
Best regards,
Amy Lin
Associate
Hawk Associates
"Proven and Sustainable Investor Relations Strategies"
amy@hawkassociates.com
Office: (305) 451-1888
http://www.hawkassociates.com
http://www.amistockreports.com
Cash flow is so good I believe your wrong especially if they are able to get a grip on A/R which I expect. Your scenario only makes sence if the export business in cigs is even more stealth than we expect. Cash flow will be well over $12 Mil this year. Cash flow is the amount of moeny left over after expenses.
IMO, if the need is still that strong after 2011 we will no longer be a stand alone cig manufacturer. I would look for some major to step in especially aas China eliminates 60 different brands of cigs.
Good luck and love to hear your input!
Patience is required here as Chinese microcaps are getting creamed this year. Billioons have left emerging marksts looking for safety in the US markets. Once the crap hits the fan here(oil will be the catalyst) we will be in very good shape once again as money markets virtually pay nothing!
My trading account is 85% in ckgt.ob although it is not allowed as an investment choice in 401K which is probably a good thing. I used to have huge positions in one stock and then got tired of waiting. So I would free up cash to get active again and almost everytime I regretted it. I believe you will do very good with ckgt.ob but patience is required. Good luck with your new investment and if it works out and ckgt.ob is still at these levels...load up!
Seller is back! Who is buying all of these shares at .85?
Furthermore you can't buy CKGT what you sold it for and you can't sell hsyt.pk what ou paid for. Now to mention the costs involved in buying and selling. Know what you own!
Why the BS? You already said you sold here? You have already stated that you sold and moved on. Instead of trying to convince people that hyst.pk is a better buy. Why would anyone sell and buy a pinkie unless they had inside info which is illegal is beyond me. Since you sold in the mid 80's uness you are lying the atock is now trading in the 90's. You have been posting that CKGT.OB is dead money so please move on and enjoy counting your money. Bringing a stock to the board is one thing....
Regardless GL with your new investment!
P.S. People who tend to trade alot chasing the latest tip tend to lose. However, joenatural is the exception. He does DD that INO is exceptional...kind of like Traderfan!