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'sps50'with silver prices down and it looks like those are going to stay that way for a considerable time, we need to economize every single expense. We need to know whether or not mining operation at Escala at these prevailing silver prices is still economical?
Once upon a time we were told that existing production at mines will be process at the plant that is located at around 70mile from Escala. What happened to that? If that option is still available then why not save our self from big expenses involving purchase of new plants.
This site was abandoned before by mining companies b/c of lower metal prices in early nineties.Yes that is beyond one's control and Lord Pity will not be able to do anything. We lose our money and he will lose his job only. IMO
'sps50' hopefully it will not take that many years for this company to process 1st ton of silver ore. Investors are not going to digest another BS news about how much silver is in the ground. We want them to show earning from the existing reserves. We have waited so long and now we want to know how many years they will need to import tiny processing plants from China and Japan. They should let us know whether or not purchase order has been placed and what is the lead time? What about the payments for those plants? Do we have enough dollars to buy them? These are the topics our mighty lord Pity should let us know.
First of all I'm not able to understand the economy of running ten tiny processing plants. The minimum manpower for each of those plants or any plant, will exceed a lot then one big plant with sufficient capacity. IMO
'beentheredunthat' the absence of focus on one project along with no financing can kill any viable company. That is what has happened here. All news about new initiatives were basically to generate interest in this stock but lies and deception could go so long.
Ultimately truth comes out. Buying wreckage and then expecting to start processing of the ore is a joke. This does not reflect well on the personality of a Lord Pity.
After more then a year under his command, we investors are in much worse shape.
'sps50' looking at things as they are today it seems Lord Pity is as much speculative as we all are here. He has opened so many fronts just to hit any jack pot but he has failed so far. His strategy so far can hardly be classified as successful. Under his command we have seen 0.0001 as a result of massive dilution. I was against his strategy right from the beginning b/c it was a recipe for disaster. No company CEO can be successful in the given circumstances in which Lord Pity has got himself in. Now several month wait does not mean that company expenses are going to stop during that period. He has spread network with management team with offices and related manpower to different countries where no serious investor is going to put his dollars to be consumed before he or she see any possibility of realization of any project.
How many more shares he will sell at 0.0001 to fund such operation? In such a situation our OS will soon be some where close to couple of trillions shares. In the end he will have convincing argument to plead for RS and that will be the end of this long dream. In all this the only losers are the ones who gave every thing to see this company succeed. JIMHO
'imanjen13' thank u for that update.
'sps50 You wrote;
"1. Escala: They purchased successively two process plants (well used). Unfortunately, one was returned for legal reasons related to the former owner's bankruptcy. The second one blew a vital machine (motor?) and was returned in parts. They got their money back on both. However, in the second deal a smaller 10-20 ton/day process plant and is processing. Bill is somewhat embarassed about the small $ it generates with slowness/high cost of transportion and thus has withheld its formal PR. I encouraged him to get out a PR with production figures anyways. Maybe...."
Could u please explain what money Mr. Pity got back? I believe the agreement with the supplier was on the basis of earning of 80/20 initially. Please clarify if u think he told u exactly the same thing? If yes then there is inconsistencies in his statement. IMO
'AvaLee' don't ask him since he believe in TA where MM has nothing to do. In fact money supply is easiest indicator to follow the stock movement. If any body has guts to buy one billion shares tomorrow all the indicators will become alive.
This guy got already many into this at 0.0003 and 0.0004 during last week by shear bundle of lies and 0.0001 is now staring right at their faces.
'Trueheart'there are gold mining companies forced to shatter down there operations. Some of these have been trading at several dollars recently and have millions of cash,gold and other liquid assets in hand. But they are not able to convince lenders to finance their new or existing projects.
With the price of crude, even GTL seems hard to get financed. In all THIS unfriendly atmosphere, Lord Pity has to finance the salaries of staff and management along with establishments in different countries. I'm really scared that we will hear soon that Lord Pity has filed for chapter 11. That will be the end of our pipe dream.
Still long...can't afford to leave the boat. IMO
'imanjen13' he must be happy and accumulating lot of them at 0.0002. I don't understand why volume is so low at 0.0002 when there are so self confessed devotees ready to buy. But may be not since bundle of lies are for others to get trapped.
Lol;;;there have been bigger pumpers then yourself here. Only thing they accomplished was getting people involved into this and then almost disappeared altogether.
I do not know whether u are paid or not but you are new generation of the same pumpers and your end is not going to be different.
I appreciate lot of other posters who have chosen to be balanced in their opinion and had been here waiting to see any life in this pig.
Your last post represent a childish and non serious attitude toward this investment where lot of people have already sunken their hard earned life saving. Yes we want our investment back but not at the cast of some other innocent people. GLTU
That means it cant be NA and Europe where conditions are worse then SA. Middle East and China are the only next regions where damage is not that severe. But both these region sovereign funds are the only sources with deep pockets. Even those sovereign funds have become cautioned after Dubai rulers bought $10billions of shares in City Bank at share price $34.00 considering themselves that as a bottom price. As of today's prices they have lost close $5Billion.
With the most unpredictable conditions prevailing in the market it need a very very attractive and secure/guaranteed projects for banks to invest in for safe returns. Greed of the banks have brought whole world to it's knees and even the bail out money they have received are not used for easing the credit but for expansion and acquisitions. Today's New York times has published a story about the insider of Morgan Stanly's telephonic conversation about using the $25billion of bail out money for acquisition instead of easing the credit crunch.
That shows how bankers are thinking and how scary they are about general investment climate. IMHO
"Not true....it's locked up...only pr to announce!"
The amount of damage the financial tsunami is causing in South America from Argentina to Brazil make your claim far fetched. IMO
'Toughgun' sorry it took me so long to finish reading the link. Just joking. The writer is one of those staunch believers in gold and silver as safe haven who are not ready to accept the ground reality.
The major argument in support of the existing demise of these metals is theory of manipulation by paper predators(as writer prefer to call those forces). To me saying that the prices of these metals have been manipulated is ludicrous. If we believe in that theory then manipulators have been successful for at least for the last 28years to keep the prices down. Thus if some thing is so easily or so long being manipulated should not be trusted as safe heaven.
Today the amount of dollars parked in money market funds, despite modest flight of their investments in recent days, is $3.3trillion dollars, another $8tillion in US bank deposits. Plus direct holding of Treasury bills and other short term instruments etc etc. If they ever believed that precious metals can be of any better investment, these all dollars should have been converted into gold and silver.
I think some people never grow out of their concocted beliefs and should have some courage to say in open that they are wrong and mistaken just like Green Span said recently. Although I never liked him but I appreciate him not to seek shelter in shaky arguments. IMHO
'imanjen13'thank u for referring to CDE and SIL. SIL was a prime reason for me to get into FMNJ. Since both were at development stage silver mining companies. With the SP at $21.00 before even producing an ounce of Siver was a main reason to get into this.
Yes I have lost 95% of my investment as most of oldies though on paper only but I am still hopeful that even a company when start producing garbage can gain a cent or two from this low.
Lord Pity is fighting a do or die type of battle now. He is trying to meet all the requirement of venture capitals to secure seed capital. But to our bad luck by the time he is close to meet the requirements credit crunch has made convincing much more difficult. If he will not be successful to secure financing during this last round of discussion, he does not have any cushion to continue operation. IMO
'prisoner' it seems u are holding conventional view about gold. Whereas lot has changed very recently. Silver has already lost it's luster as a safe haven investment and behave more and more like other industrial metals and represent trend of over all economy.
Latest tragedy is even gold has started following the same path. If it is not so gold should have been many fold up during these worst economic crisis or tsunami. Instead it behaves like all other commodities. It has not provided any safe haven to investors even since 1981 high prices of more then $2100.00.
Yes there are lots of people still believing in traditional concept but reality do not support their view. IMHO
'bundleofsharess' we have been hearing such type of out landish claims from all those champion pumpers through all these years along the drop of PPS to these levels. Most of those pumpers have muzzled themselves now since they had some little moral courage to do so. I know there is new generation of pumpers here and b/c of them some more innocents will loose their shirts very soon. Long toooo.... long. IMO
There is a way for Lord Pity to win trust of investors. If processing plants are not working and need lot of investment, then should sell concentrates, like Prom Resources has done today. But then question remain, whether or not he has any thing at site to sell?
Prom Resources, Inc. (PRMO) Announces A Gold Sale
Last update: 9:15 a.m. EDT Oct. 17, 2008
MIAMI, FL, Oct 17, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Prom Resources, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: PRMO) ("the Company") is pleased to announce that they have sold 100kg of gold mining concentrate for USD$1,927,000.00.
"Having difficulties with the material acquired from this specific location, since our refinery could not handle it, we decided to sell the material as concentrate in order to focus on increased liquidity," said Dror Moradov, President of the Company.
About Prom Resources, Inc.
For further information please visit our website at www.promresources.com or email us at info@promresources.com
'the cork' check Mag Silver. (MAG.To). I was listening, CEO's interview on BNN channel few days back and I was impressed with having one of the biggest deposit in the world. I can not buy since I am almost brook.
One info that I want to share with u is that Silver seems to have no relationship with Gold. It is now like Zinc, Copper etc. 85% of silver is used as industrial metal and thus will move in the same direction as the economy moves not like gold that is consider as a safe heaven in time of economic hardship. I can not provide u any link to this since I listen an analyst commenting on silver on BNN channel.
That provided me an answer to my question about the status of big silver plays these days. Also an answer to how silver price behaved in the market lately. Many times when gold went up silver either did not move or moved down.
Don't base your buying or selling on this opinion since their must be lot of people who still believe Silver will one day catch up with gold as it always has been like 1 to 50 as against its present trading ratio of 1 to 70. IMHO.
Mr. Petty is thinking that investors are not aware of the credit crunch spread to S.America too. Following is the extract from the yahoo news link below and one can see how easy it is for a Pink sheet company to raise funds in such environment. I mean Mr. Petty need not say some thing that is not supported by circumstances. It is the same reason he is unable to present any concrete result of his negotiations with investors in his latest travel to SA countries.
"In Latin America , the U.S. financial crisis caused trading on Brazil's stock exchange to be halted twice on a day when the value dropped by 8 percent.
In Argentina , stocks fell 10 percent, and currencies across the region tumbled against the dollar.
"The turmoil is really starting to hit Latin America ," Jane Eddy , a senior regional specialist for ratings agency Standard & Poor's . "You have stock market drops, currencies weakening and credit really drying up. Everyone is on hold waiting to see what will happen over the next two weeks."
The uncertainty comes at a time when Latin America has been enjoying its strongest sustained economic growth in 25 years. The region grew by 5.7 percent in 2007 and was projected to grow by about 4.5 percent in 2008."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081006/wl_mcclatchy/3065233
News
Escala Enters Second Year of JV Operation by Franklin Mining/COMIBOL/Cooperativa Minera INTI
Market Projections for Gold and Silver Justify an Expanded Operation
Last update: 11:42 a.m. EDT Oct. 7, 2008
LAS VEGAS, NV, Oct 07, 2008 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Franklin Mining, Inc. (PINKSHEETS: FMNJ) (FRANKFURT: FMJ) Chairman and CEO William Petty has returned from an extended trip to South America to complete the negotiations of a $1.6 million (USD) capital investment at the company's joint-venture Escala Mine operation in Southern Bolivia. Speaking by telephone from his San Antonio, Texas headquarters, Mr. Petty has explained to potential creditors, "The single greatest thing we've learned during our first year of operations at the Escala is that Franklin's 500 hectare consignment holds what may be a greater value than originally envisioned. Reports furnished to Franklin by COMIBOL during our summer 2007 negotiations indicated multiple silver-zinc veins in various locations within the area. Gold is known to exist at both Cerro Blanco and Cerro Galapago and was previously estimated at 20,000 to 30,000 ounces. With the combination of current exploitation technologies and the increasing demand for gold, silver and zinc, our total recoverable value is potentially greater than first projected."
The Escala is a COMIBOL tenement centered over the Mina Escala and other lead-zinc and silver vein systems. Some confusion exists over the naming of the various workings; however, all are geologically similar to the main area of workings located 400 to 500 meters northwest of the camp, also known as Mina Escala. Sphalerite and galena rich sulphide veins trend west-northwest within a well developed halo of clay-pyrite alterations; within the mine area, a number of parallel veins creates a continuous alteration zone more than 250 meters wide. Individual veins have not been mapped in detail but can occur up to 0.5 meters in width. Initial sampling of the veins returned the expected grades of zinc (to 10%) and lead (to 5.8%) with high and sometimes extreme silver (to +/- 1,000 grams per ton) and gold content ranging from 0.25 to 2.0 grams per ton in some veins.
It is believed that the gold at Cerro Blanco was transported and deposited in cool ground waters as part of weather events that occurred following a period of volcanic and hydrothermal activity. Broad intercepts of this same grade are also found at Galapago and it is within this greater Cerro Blanco/Galapago deposit area that an estimated 20,000 to 30,000 ounces of gold may be found.
Paul Baker, Franklin's Mine Consultant, has returned to the Escala to make a site review for a processing plant placement and will prepare his equipment recommendations and budget for an expanded recovery operation.
Let us prey that day come before the day we ride on hearses. IMO
Very realistic but unfortunate situation. Is it another reason why silver is where it is compare to Gold all these years? With short supply and all the bottle necks in production it is not moving.
I better listen to Paulson now.
'Royalflush1' while golds has gain a lot Silver has lost 0.32cents for the day. Why silver is not consider worth buying in such uncertain times in the market? Any explanation to this market reaction pl?
May be it is too late for conventional umbrellas to stand up to the approaching storm. May be it is time to lie low under mattress for shelter.
'Prisoner' according to John McCrank, who wrote in yahoo finance today, "Banks and financial institutions are the ultimate lenders of umbrellas when it's sunny ... (and they) demand them back when it's raining."
Couldn't be described better.
Stable demand for the dollar on Sun.
Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Sunday , 28 /09 /2008 Time 2:25:45
BAGHDAD / Aswat al-Iraq: Demand for the dollar was stable in the Central Bank of Iraq's (CBI) auction on Sunday, registering at $47.850 million compared to $45.920 million on Thursday.
"The demand hit $23.640 million in cash and $24.210 million in foreign transfers outside the country, all covered by the bank at a stable exchange rate of 1,179 Iraqi dinars per dollar," an official source from the bank told Aswat al-Iraq.
None of the 10 banks that participated in the session offered to sell dollars.
The Central Bank of Iraq runs a daily auction from Sunday to Thursday.
Any one who want to know what it means to buy a stock in distrust should read or listen Warren Buffet's interview with CNBC. Very interesting one and recorded few hours back today. Here is link.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26867866
'Excaliber28' wrote, "The other thing is, I have never owned a stock this diluted at this low a price. I am not looking to add to my position at this time until I am a little more confident. If some solid news is released and I am forced to buy a little higher, I would be more confident with my purchase. I wish the very best of luck to everyone on this board and hope that something will turn around soon for FMNJ."
It is a very prudent approach. There are people here including myself those have been buying since it touched the highest PPS several years ago. Every time it went down we kept on averaging down and thinking that those are the great deals. We forgot the principle that never average down when stock is going down. Therefore most of us here are deep in red with millions of shares holding. Some of us are now facing a dilemma of evaporating their whole investment once it drops few ticks down from here. Those of my friends here who have averaged down to 0.0004cents with lot of money pouring into this Pig, are frightened of the possibility of this going to 0.0001 and that is not something very nice. My last buy was at 0.0018. Now I decided to add only at .0001 or in case there is real good news such as revenue earned or any big financing deal materialized. IMO
'treppy' Paulson came to rescue his parent company Goldman Sachs only after last of the competitor investment banks like Lehman and Morgan Stanley are already been forced out of the business. Why this blanket rescue plan did not cross their mind before? IMO
'sps50' Thank u for correction.
There is nothing new in this interview. In three minutes interview 1st was about the company 2nd about him being bullish and having got another consultant including in the team and 3rd and last was about the study being done in Canada about the design of processing plant with the capacity of 200ton per day. Although if 1'am not wrong it was 100ton as per the PR. May be slip of tongue by our lord Pity.
'sps50' You are welcome. I hope u are right. I know we all need some concrete news here to stop crying otherwise cries will become louder. With that have a good day. Bye now.
The worst thing is that we have to absorb another 4 to 5Billion shares of additional dilution to generate that meager amount. May be much more if it goes to 0.0001 by then.
Therefore I am waiting for some extraordinary event to take place to salvage this situation. IMO
Miracles do happen and I can only hope to some relief here for all of us though ground realities are not in our favor.
I'm afraid that is not a good news for any Silver miner operating out of Bolivia. I know NYBob know much more then any body on the subject of SIL. I would like him to shed some light on that subject. I hope it will not be a violation of IHUB rules since both companies have some relationship here to understand our investment here.
'Royalflush1'I do not know about Japanese buying Apex or whether or not Soros is out since my information is based on how Soros portfolio looked few months back.
It is true that FMNJ needs only 1.6M for Escala to put into production. At the same time we do not have as rich silver deposit as that of SIL which, if I'm not wrong is one of the biggest silver deposit in the world. The mine is already producing and is generating revenue too. May be those are the reason those forced our Lord Pity to get involved in GTL. But then if oil prices go down to where they were few years back who will care about our GTL.
After spending couple of years here we need to see the reality directly in the face and forget to follow the shadows. JIMHO
'beentheredunthat' wrote "I can not see who would give them financing in this enviorment."
That is a big question to answer. You know what happened to big and smart money in case of SIL. George Soro's investment in SIL is down almost 90% that is equal to what most of us have already lost in FMNJ in percentage wise. I mean to say who in right mind can expect to commit his big money to FMNJ which is operating almost in the same environment of that of SIL and CDE?
Some body here should answer this question or we are bound to see the same PRs we have been seeing for the last couple of years. We are already close to bottom and I know FMNJ has to pay the salaries to the existing staff only by more and more dilution. Is it that we are going to be a company with trillions of shares and then do that horrible RS? What are the options left to move forward in such a situation for this company?
In addition to all the above the commodities are under downward pressure. If situation does not get better from here I am afraid there is little prospects for minors like FMNJ to survive this down turn. JMHP
Higher demand for the dollar on Mon.
Baghdad - Voices of Iraq
Monday , 15 /09 /2008 Time 2:23:36
BAGHDAD, Sept. 15 (VOI) - Demand for the dollar was up in the Central Bank of Iraq's (CBI) auction on Monday, registering at $70.385 million compared to $42.360 million on Sunday.
"The demand hit $17.385 million in cash and $53.250 million in foreign transfers outside the country, all covered by the bank at a stable exchange rate of 1,180 Iraqi dinars per dollar, unchanged for the fourth consecutive session," an official source from the bank told Aswat al-Iraq - Voices of Iraq - (VOI).
None of the 10 banks that participated in the session offered to sell dollars.
The Central Bank of Iraq runs a daily auction from Sunday to Thursday.
How Iraq Guards Its Oil Wealth
By Keith Kohl | Monday, September 8th, 2008
When will we see a bottom for oil?
Although I've been asked this question on a daily basis, my answer has remained the same. There's a very good chance that we're seeing the bottom right now. Will it dip below $100 per barrel over the next few weeks? Possibly. However, I wouldn't bet on prices staying low for much longer.
If your email inbox is anything like mine, then you've received a barrage of emails screaming that oil prices are headed back to $60 a barrel. But I can't fathom how that is even possible. While Oil has fallen over 28% from a July record of $147 a barrel, don't forget that prices are more than 44% higher than a year ago. Back then we were paying a mere $73.98 a barrel.
So why exactly are we expecting oil to stay above the $100/bbl mark?
In the short run, we have Hurricane Ike making cutting its way through Cuba. If the storm remains on its current path toward the Gulf of Mexico, we can expect Ike to re-gain strength as it moves back over water.
Even if Ike turns out as lackluster as Gustav, the threat of a hurricane battering the Gulf of Mexico ensures that production will remain shut-in. Let's take a closer look at the impact of these two storms... then get into how oil-rich countries are even more aggressively protecting their oil wealth... According to the Minerals Management Service update, 202 oil platforms and 10 rigs have been evacuated so far. That comes out to a little over one million barrels per day of production that is shut-in, or about 79.8% of Gulf oil production. Furthermore, approximately 70% of Gulf natural gas production is also shut-in.
On top of the approaching storm, we can also toss OPEC into the mix. Although the chances of OPEC cutting production at tomorrow's meeting in Vienna are slim, that doesn't mean they won't trim production in the future.
OPEC has made it clear they're willing to defend $100/bbl oil. I remember last year when OPEC said they were "comfortable" with oil at $60 a barrel.
Unfortunately, we've already run out of $60/bbl oil.
Let's face it, the cheap oil we've enjoyed in the past is gone.
The reason is simple enough. Producers need to drill further and deeper than ever before. Take U.S. Production, for example. Right now, there's over 2,000 rotary rigs operating in the U.S. We haven't had this many rigs operating since 1985. Despite having a record amount of rigs, we're producing nearly 4 million barrels per day less. That means our production has declined over 43%!
And don't think for a second that this is strictly a U.S. Problem, either.
Even taking the conservative annual decline rate of 4.5% (some believe the rate is as high as 8%), the world needs to come up with almost 4 million barrels per day of new production every year. Now that production is declining at some of the world's largest oil fields (namely Ghawar, Burgan and Cantarell), producers must constantly look more to unconventional reserves.
Again, cheap oil's days are numbered.
How Countries Are Guarding Their Oil Wealth
Within the last few years, countries having been taking control of their oil reserves. And in order to secure a larger amount of their oil revenues, time and again countries have gone to great extent to tighten that grip.
I'm certain most of you remember when Russia pushed Shell out of their controlling stake in the Sakhalin Island. Of course, we can't forget when Chavez wrested control of Venezuela's oil projects back in 2007.
After the recent discovery of the Tupi field off the coast of Brazil, the government appears to be looking forward to those revenues. In order to get a larger piece of the revenue pie, Brazil's government will obviously make a move and grab more shares in the state-controlled company.
If you really want an idea of how serious these countries are to protect their oil wealth just look at the latest deal inked between Iraq and China.
I'll admit this deal first caught my attention a few days ago. The fact that it was sitting in my junk folder should have given me a reason not to read it. However, after pouring over the facts (many of which were completely wrong) I realized how far off the mark it had been.
Last week, the Iraqi government approved a contract between Iraq's state-owned oil company and the Chinese National Petroleum Company (CNPC). The deal was to let the Chinese develop the Ahdab oil field. The deal was originally signed back in 1997.
The real blow came when Iraq renegotiated the terms from a production sharing agreement to a set-fee service deal. Now, the CNPC will only get approximately $6 per barrel produced. The fee is cut in half once production hits its target of 115,000 barrels per day. No matter how high oil prices move in the future, the CNPC's profits are set in stone.
The reason is simple enough. Over the next few years, oil markets will continue to tighten, and you can bet these countries will protect their oil wealth at all costs, right down to the last drop.
Until next time,
keith kohl
Keith Kohl
'Royalflush1' whether right or wrong you have to put up with that and let us vent our feelings. By the way it is no big deal to have a photo opt with any high ups in SA or Asia since it is privilege to present them in the company of a tall blond American. But here we interpret it in a different way.
But all that said and done let us hope our days in this deep and dark valley of death are numbered. Our PPS should see sun now. It is too late. IMO