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Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain?
And I was just reading yours.
...or maybe they have finished their DD and have placed a valuation range upon this portfolio. next week they may make an offer for the whole portfolio.
All I can say is agreed.
Even criminals are allowed an opportunity to show their reform, why can't VPLM. I personally would not accuse any company of P&D, it may very well be subject to a lawsuit especially when there is no evidence to substantiate such a claim but again, i am open to discussion especially to the point of someone, anyone providing tangibile evidence that there has been pumping of this company in what i deem it's modern era as a patent developement company. The previous reference was a third party article of opinion, no pumping by the company that i could see and is what i would describe as grossly out of date.
Again, thanks for tracking! i am sure this is off topic and will be promptly removed but thanks.
IP R&D.
They don't even follow that business model any more, and from 2011, it's 2014 my friend but good try. That wasn't even a pump...
The lack of communication can very well be taken both ways, as for the pps, in the real world of large corporate buy outs and take overs your are absolutely correct, in the world of start ups, penny stocks and private companies, the valuations are a whole different beast. The Whatsapp deal is a prime example, the acquisition of Sourcefire is another, there was a company with 5 million dollars of net profit going for billions (2.7 to be exact). At the end of the day however these things happen when they happen and for whatever someone is willing to pay, I personally feel that VPLM is worth much more than the current pps based solely upon the technology they have patented and the direction that many world governments are pushing companies to utilize!
Actually only 6 of twelve patents are done!
I will take a tom collins on the beach in Hawaii and no worries, i will pay my own bills.
Thanks for tracking!
Quite possible they can not say anything, a potential buyer very well may not want any noise that could interfere with the process. You talk about the 6th patent in hand, there is 6 more to come after that making 12 patents in all, 5 parents and 7 children, 1 continuation for all except RBR, there are 3 children filed under that.
And here I thought everyone would be discussing the offer from Facebook for 28.2 billion to buy this thing finally.
I won't say it will never happen, I hope it does not but if it does, at least we will hopefully start to see revenue and a valuation of these assets. At this point by definition we can say we will agree to disagree.
Possibly, keep in mind monetizing these assets is plan B, let's cross the "Troll bridge" if or when it occurs, I am still hoping for the buy out ending.
Keep in mind I said "patent troll territory"
WIKI
"A patent troll, also called a patent assertion entity (PAE), is a person or company who enforces patent rights against accused infringers in an attempt to collect licensing fees, but does not manufacture products or supply services based upon the patents in question, thus engaging in economic rent-seeking. Related, less pejorative terms include patent holding company (PHC) and non-practicing entity (NPE). Generally not considered patent trolls are NPEs such as university research laboratories, development firms that offer their patented technologies to licensees in advance, and licensing agents that offer enforcement and negotiation services on behalf of patent owners."
If the BOD goes to market and licenses on agreeable terms, then not exactly patent troll but if they come out of the gate with guns blazing and straight up litigation then yes it could be called a patent troll.
Agreed, these are nothing more than guesses, here's mine. As I have watched this all unfold, I feel ultimately that LI is perhaps the one item that drives a buyout more than any of the others, lets say that Microsoft really does need it to expand and hopefully for their sake monetize Skype in a better manner.
With that in mind I place a value of 2 billion on it given the NSA stated they would pay that for the ability to intercept VOIP calls. Next I put a 1 billion dollar price tag on RBR, it appears that it is critical in placing and charging for calls, it very well may be worth so much more but I tend to be a realist. Finally there are the additional 10 remaining patents, 3 parent and 7 children, I essential put them in the 1 billion dollar range combined however I give a slight discount in my mind thus putting them at 700 million. thus my figure for 3.7 billion.
I place the date of June 13th because although the child patents tend to go much quicker, there are still some that have not even been fully looked at thus at least 2 1/2 months for them to settle
Not a patent troll at this time, purely an intellectual property company, if the BOD decides to monetize on their own, then yes it falls into patent troll territory.
Justification,
The whole buyout pool is fun to guess at but I propose a discussion on why people think the way they do, time frame and amounts only though! Any takers?
I should have said June 13, the 14th is a Saturday
I am in for 3.7 billion and June 14.
VVVVV, you are absolutely right, I have considered this but although I would be fine with it and I will explain this, I don't think it would happen to any great extent, on the BOD CC, I think it may have been Sawyer who said he did not feel that would be the way to go because it provides the most un certain outcome.
With that said, lets look at how that could unfold.
The BOD decides to monetize so they authorize say 100 million shares, this takes us to 986 million outstanding, this is approximately an 11% dilution but it yields the BOD 20 million dollars to start, if they then won infringement with RBR only against one major party, a lot of VOIP providers come to the table in an attempt to license the IP. lets say they get to even 100 million dollars of annual revenue, not really that big of a number in todays environment, we then get at a clearer look at what these assets are really worth, considering the PE ratio on average of the S&P 500 is 18-22 times, we then can put a value on VPLM of 1.8 - 2.2 billion dollars, that is a completely acceptable number for me and probably most of this board.
The only problem with that scenario is it takes more time, not an issue for me but apparently an issue for some...
I would say they are the dark horse, Zuckerberg probably would love to have VPLM it so he could bury the LI patent just to piss in Obama's corn flakes.
Once again, don't believe everything you read on the web, even if it comes right from the horses mouth. Didn't Zuckerberg state he was done with the buying for a while after the Whatsapp deal last month?
Whether this is six days, six weeks or six months, it doesnt matter. I get a kick thinking about one of our recent departures from the board, he was a major shareholder, he picked up 50k shares last August and expected to be a millionaire by now apparently but obviously he is just to much of an investing virgin to understand the universe. This stock is speculative at best, it doesn't generate revenue, it will not rise and fall upon the latest earnings report, it will not collapse under the death of our CEO, it will never react to anything but two things.
1) An annoucement of an offer to purchase!
2) MM's
The movement in price is being driven by two things right now, fear and greed and that will not change until the ones who are afraid have changed their minds or they have all sold out! I have exposure in this well over 10 million shares and i don't consider myself a major shareholder, why, because i do not have control of the final outcome, even if we all combined in a final vote together, we still would not have the final say!
I have no reason to believe they are, the RBR child has received notice of allowance for issuement.
No worries, I wasn't thinking that much but who knows. I am sticking to a 1-3 billion dollar valuation but who knows. Everyone including our infamous no longer tweeting IR guy, Mr. Inza says the Whatsapp deal is a game changer.
Children,
1) UI, UNINTERRUPTED TRANSMISSION OF INTERNET PROTOCOL TRANSMISSIONS DURING ENDPOINT CHANGES
Parent Continuity Data
Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date AIA(First Inventor to File) Parent Status Patent Number
This application is National Stage Entry of PCT/CA2009/001317
09-17-2009 - Published -
Child Continuity Data
14/092,831 filed on 11-27-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 13/496,864
2) LI, INTERCEPTING VOICE OVER IP COMMUNICATIONS AND OTHER DATA COMMUNICATIONS
Parent Continuity Data
Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date AIA(First Inventor to File) Parent Status Patent Number
This application is National Stage Entry of PCT/CA07/02150
11-29-2007 - Published -
Claims Priority from Provisional Application
60/861,431 11-29-2006 - Expired -
Child Continuity Data
13/863,306 filed on 04-15-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 12/517,026
3) RBR, PRODUCING ROUTING MESSAGES FOR VOICE OVER IP COMMUNICATIONS
Parent Continuity Data
Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date AIA(First Inventor to File) Parent Status Patent Number
This application is National Stage Entry of PCT/CA07/01956
11-01-2007 - Published -
Claims Priority from Provisional Application
60/856,212 11-02-2006 - Expired -
Child Continuity Data
13/966,096 filed on 08-13-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 12/513,147
14/029,615 filed on 09-17-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 12/513,147
14/029,671 filed on 09-17-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 12/513,147
4) MOBILE GATEWAY
Parent Continuity Data
Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date AIA(First Inventor to File) Parent Status Patent Number
This application is National Stage Entry of PCT/CA2009/001062
07-28-2009 - Published -
Claims Priority from Provisional Application
61/129,898 07-28-2008 - Expired -
Child Continuity Data
14/035,806 filed on 09-24-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 13/056,277
5) ENHANCED 911
Parent Continuity Data
Description Parent Number Parent Filing or 371(c) Date AIA(First Inventor to File) Parent Status Patent Number
This application is National Stage Entry of PCT/CA08/00545
03-20-2008 - Published -
Claims Priority from Provisional Application
60/907,224 03-26-2007 - Expired -
Child Continuity Data
13/968,217 filed on 08-15-2013 which is Pending claims the benefit of 12/532,989
Yes lots of DD, sounds like maybe you like DD just a much as I do! ;)
Some of your ex wives, sounds like you need this thing in the 50 billion dollar range! I don't have one, hope I never do, good luck!
Ooh ouch, right on the nose!
I disagree that it is mainstream and I NEVER said they invented VOIP. regardless watch the movie "Flash of Genius", he made not have invented the windshield wipers but Robert Kearns revolutionized it, do you think he knew the value before it unfolded!
Maybe he came to a realization that negative publicity could affect his 300 million share investment here, even a one billion dollar offer for VPLM is so much greater than anything he would have been awarded for "TERRATAR"!
I fully understand the concept of technology standing up in court but there really has not been any discussion around the fact that some of these patents are inventions of original design, I honestly feel like there is more than litigation involved in the ownership, there is revolutionary technology that will assist the world in transforming the way we communicate on so many levels. What kind of value can be put on that, we are looking at a one and done sale however this transformation is going to last a life time, does anyone believe that Edison knew how much the light bulb should cost at first?
Although the article you are referencing is actually from Jan 2013, it still holds water in our current situation, especially the first paragraph.
BELLEVUE, Wash., Jan. 14, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Voip-Pal.Com Inc.'s ("Voip-Pal") (OTC Pink Sheets: VPLM) newly acquired subsidiary, Digifonica (International) Limited ("Digifonica, Gibraltar") has been approached by several interested parties representing Fortune 500 companies who are interested in acquiring Voip-Pal/Digifonica patent applications and patents, once the patents have been issued. These early stage discussions are in the verbal stages. Details of these talks cannot be disclosed nor the outcome of them can be determined at this time.
Patience! Good things come to those who wait.
Is that a rhetorical question or a statement of fact?
The threshold for disclosure is 10%. It is also note worthy that there is now just under 1800 share holder in this company, this is up from just over 1300 not too long ago.
Because it is not so radical and quite possible, been in my head for quite some time, I would love to hear your take...
I think you should talk to your Dr. about that, I feel great. If one wants straight line growth then go by a TD, if you want to go on a real ride, buy a penny stock. I always prefer roller coasters.