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Ben Carson’s Scientific Ignorance
By Lawrence M. Krauss
September 28, 2015
For a man with an impressive educational C.V., Ben Carson makes a lot of intellectual missteps. In his September 16th debate performance, he displayed a profound lack of foreign-policy knowledge; last Sunday, when he said, on “Meet the Press,” that he “would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation,” he may have seriously crippled his campaign. Still, there’s one area in which Carson’s credentials have seemed unimpeachable. Many people assume that, as a successful surgeon, he has a solid knowledge of technical, medical, and scientific issues.
With the wide release of video from a speech that Carson made to his fellow Seventh-Day Adventists in 2012, however, it’s becoming clear that there are significant gaps. In the speech, he made statements on subjects ranging from evolution to the Big Bang that suggest he never learned or chooses to ignore basic, well-tested scientific concepts. In attempting to refute the Big Bang, for example—which he characterized as a “ridiculous” idea—Carson said:
You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.
He continued, “It’s even more ridiculous than that, because our solar system, not to mention the universe outside of that, is extraordinarily well organized, to the point where we can predict seventy years away when a comet is coming. Now, [for] that type of organization to just come out of an explosion? I mean, you want to talk about fairy tales, that is amazing.” Finally, he argued that the observed motion of the planets in our solar system would be impossible if there had been a Big Bang.
It is hard to find a single detailed claim in his diatribe that is physically sensible or that reflects accurate knowledge about science. His central claim—that the second law of thermodynamics rules out order forming in the universe after the Big Bang—is a frequent misstatement made by creationists who want to appear scientifically literate. In reality, it is completely false. Local order in parts of the universe is always possible at the expense of heat and disorder dissipated to the external environment. The human body is one example: we take in energy from our environment to build up complex molecules that help power our bodies, and, in doing so, we release heat to the world around us. A snowflake is another beautifully ordered example of what simple natural meteorological processes can produce. Stars form by gravity, collapsing into spherically ordered structures that can remain in this form only if they release tremendous heat energy into the environment. Carson elides these physical realities by creating a straw man: he says that scientists believe that, after the Big Bang, the universe was “perfectly ordered.” But no such claim has been made by scientists; instead, we describe how local order, including galaxies, stars, planets, and life, developed over time.
When Carson says that scientists rely on “probability theory” to explain how multiple Big Bangs, taking place over “billions of years,” have resulted in our “perfectly ordered” universe, he’s profoundly misstating the theory of the Big Bang. (In fact, he seems to have gotten his ignorant arguments confused—his metaphor about a hurricane creating a 747 in a junkyard is often used to deride evolution, to which it is equally inapplicable.) No one suggests that other Big Bangs have happened or are happening in our universe. Instead, all evidence implies that our universe originated from a single Big Bang approximately 13.7 billion years ago. Perhaps Carson was referring to the possibility of other universes outside of our universe, and to the so-called anthropic principle, which suggests that, if there are many universes, the fact that our universe supports life could be a probabilistic phenomenon. But those ideas, whether they’re true or not, have nothing to do with the reality of the Big Bang. We conclude the Big Bang happened because every piece of observational evidence we have about the universe is precisely consistent with predictions based on this possibility and none other. Speculations about other possible universes are irrelevant.
Perhaps his silliest statements have to do with our own solar system. Carson claims that our solar system is perfectly ordered—but, in fact, the motion of the planets is chaotic in the long term, and, although we can predict the motion of comets over the seventy-year period he discusses, for longer time horizons, such as millions or billions of years, the complexity of our solar system makes that practically impossible. Even more problematically, he points to the fact that some moons orbit in different directions from their planets and argues that those orbits would be impossible if there had been a Big Bang, because angular momentum would forbid it:
You know, you’ve got this mass bending and then it explodes. In physics, we have something we call “angular momentum,” and it is preserved, so it should be preserved in any orbit of anything that is affected by gravity around a planet, which means everything has to traverse in the same direction. Well, it doesn’t! There are many planets that have satellites and moons that go in opposite directions. So that doesn’t work with angular momentum!
This is akin to saying that, if there really had been a Big Bang billions of years ago, skaters today should be able to spin in only one direction. Local systems can exchange angular momentum with their surroundings by collisions, and many forms of chaotic motion are, therefore, possible. Bathwater rotates around the drain, sometimes clockwise and sometimes counterclockwise, happily independent of the Big Bang. The questions that Carson goes on to ask about the “debris” from the Big Bang—“What about all the debris from the billions and billions of explosions that were not perfect? Where’s that? I mean, we should be bombarded constantly by all this debris coming down; we’re not seeing it”—are meaningless if our entire visible universe arose from a single Big Bang, which is what the evidence suggests.
Carson’s wild delusions aren’t confined to physics, either. In the same event, in a more surprising and perhaps more worrisome statement, Carson claimed that evolution, as explained by Darwin, was actually the work of the devil. (“I personally believe that this theory that Darwin came up with was something that was encouraged by the adversary, and it has become what is scientifically, politically correct.”) As if invoking Satan weren’t bad enough, Carson resorted to bad puns to sidestep his scientific ignorance: he went on to say that he was planning a book called “The Organ of Species,” which he said would “talk about the organs of the body and how they completely refute evolution”—an amazing claim that would require a rewriting of most biology texts. At another point in the speech, he uses a long stream of medical terminology to argue against the biochemical origins of life—something he doesn’t seem to realize has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution itself. Elsewhere, he claims that plants couldn’t have evolved before bees and that sexual reproduction shouldn’t have evolved at all, and suggests that geological formations provide evidence of a great flood, not an old Earth.
It is one thing to simply assert that you don’t choose to believe the science, in spite of a mountain of data supporting it. It’s another to mask your ignorance in such a disingenuous way, by using pseudo-scientific, emotion-laden arguments and trading on your professional credentials. Surely this quality, which reflects either self-delusion or, worse still, a willingness to intentionally deceive others, is of great concern when someone is vying for control of the nuclear red button.
Last week, when he was confronted, during a speech at Cedarville University, about his failure to understand basic and fundamental scientific concepts, Carson responded, “I’m not going to denigrate you because of your faith, and you shouldn’t denigrate me for mine.” What Carson doesn’t seem to recognize is that there is a fundamental difference between facts and faith. An inability to separate religious beliefs from an assessment of physical reality runs counter to the very basis of our society—the separation of church and state.
By his own admission, Carson’s remarkable hand-eye coördination allowed him to soar as a surgeon, and he used that success to build a lucrative reputation as a purveyor of advice for young and old. His book for young people is titled “You Have a Brain.” As numerous religious scientists have quipped, God wouldn’t have given us a brain if he hadn’t intended for us to use it. While many may debate whether his lack of public-service experience disqualifies him from serious consideration in this race, Carson’s ideas about religion, science, and public office, as revealed in the past week, suggest that there are far deeper reasons to be concerned about his candidacy for the highest office in the land.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/ben-carsons-scientific-ignorance
If people in the US knew what is really going on in Israel, they would not give the extent of support that they do to the Israeli government which they mistakenly believe is defending freedom or even part of the free world.
It took this woman, by some reports a 1/2 hour to bleed-out while these guys just stood around gawking at her. You can see that one of them was an EMT.
For the ‘New York Times,’ #PalestinianLivesDoNotMatter
Let’s do a thought experiment. Let’s say a young Jewish woman dressed in Orthodox clothing was shot dead by uniformed Palestinian policemen somewhere in the West Bank. Let’s say that several eyewitnesses said the woman — we’ll call her Anna Agustovsky — had done nothing wrong except to possibly misunderstand orders that the Palestinian police had barked in Arabic. There were photos of one policeman leveling his automatic weapon at Anna, and more photos as she lay on the ground after they shot her. A few days later, Amnesty International, citing the many witnesses, called the killing “an extrajudicial execution.”
Would the New York Times continue to ignore the story? Or would there be wall-to-wall coverage?
But 18-year-old Hadeel al-Hashlamoun was Palestinian. And five days after Israeli soldiers murdered her at an occupation checkpoint in Hebron, the New York Times continues to ignore her death.
The Times’s coverage started out to be somewhat promising. On September 22, reporter Diaa Hadid did transcribe the official Israeli justification for killing Ms. al-Hashlamoun, but also quoted two witnesses who challenged the Israeli account, including a “European activist” who “provided photographs of the episode.”
But none of these photographs appeared with that article, or in the Times at any time since — even though they are all over the internet.
And five days later, the Times has not followed up the story in any way. No reporting of the Amnesty International indictment. No effort to write about the reaction among Ms. al-Hashlamoun’s family, or to tell us who she was. The Times has at least 3 reporters in Israel/Palestine, but none of them has apparently tried to independently investigate the Israeli version of the killing. And let us repeat; the newspaper of record has still not published a single photograph of Ms. al-Hashlamoun as she lay dying.
Our hypothetical Anna Agustovsky would matter to the New York Times. Hadeel al-Hashlamoun, being a Palestinian in an occupied land, does not matter.
US Politics James North on September 27, 2015
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/york-times-palestinianlivesdontmatter
Apartheid lives on.
Conix is better off arguing that aliens from Alpha Centauri are conspiring to fix the Kentucky Derby.
(I stole that from Charlie Pierce):
Let us count the lies, shall we?
PP is not aborting fetuses alive to harvest their brains and other body parts. This is exactly the same as listening to a candidate argue that aliens from Alpha Centauri are conspiring to fix the Kentucky Derby. And, in any case, Planned Parenthood not only can deny it, but it has denied it, over and over again. And taxpayers are not paying for it because it isn't happening, and because PP doesn't use federal money to pay for any of the three percent of its services that include abortion.
C'mon man! cut out trying to corner me...
I gave up long ago any belief that got in the way of my own judgement
The fact that there is more than one religion on this planet disproves all of them.
I have no take on that as a ritual, F6. I just can't get my head around Allah's pleasure in accepting an dead animal as an offering. I understand the Taliban, ISIS, and other jihadist muslims' use of human slaughter as a form of punishment. But 1.6 billion people on this planet who believe Abraham's willingness to slaughter his own son to please their guy in the sky is outside my mental apprehension.
PM me a throw-away email and I will explain if you like.
PegVA, if you follow the thread back you will see I was not replying to you.
There is none as I've indicated. But given time, who knows? You could call it the Humor of the Absurd. The contemptible ridicule of Charlie Hebdo comes to mind.
In any event, the Hajj festival is a travesty in and of itself. It's absurd for any westerner to see people claiming to be civilized believing that Allah is pleased by their offering of animal flesh and blood as a sign of devotion.
There's a good joke in there somewhere, but you have to let a little time go by for sensitivity's sake. Until then perhaps this little story is a better fit with your delicate feelings:
You've got me there, F6. I don't respond well to personal name-calling.
Please save us from your fake indignity and spitting up outrage when it suits you.
I like Tom Price the best.
He is ignorant on climate change. He hates workers, the poor, and gay people. He voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25 and will work well with the Donald on building a fence along the Mexican border.
I don't agree.
HRC needs to clear up the mess with Benghazi and the e-mails (mid Oct) before the debates. This will give Bernie more time to spread out his campaign.
Besides, have you ever seen more devastating moments of self-destruction than the GOP debates?
I like the top 3 right where they are!
Now, if DJ can put up a couple of stellar rounds to finish on top, I could live with that...
Why Democrats don't need more debates.
They are more unified on the issues than Republicans.
And why take the stage away from a party bent on self-destruction?
Only a dumb comment to those who haven't had enough time to grieve. Sorry for your loss, Peg.
He was good enough for that bunch.
Whoever comes next will have to concede to added Tea Party demands and I don't see McCarthy or Paul Ryan up to the task. But Georgia rep. Tom Price is another story.
John Boehner wants nothing to do with the absolute stupidity and hypocrisy of the GOP attempt to close down the government in order to defund Planned Parenthood.
SEA for me
Lol... remember though, he missed the British Open to be with her when Dash was born.
Good luck to you as well. Hard to believe only nine players picked Day... and of course, they're all in the lead.
Maybe some good luck will come "our" way if Jason's lovely wife suddenly goes into labor... seems to be our only hope as I see he has birdied the first 3 holes!
Thanks, in the interview he looked like he was fidgeting with anger while being on the wrong side of the deal, proving once more the GOP has so disintegrated in intellectual and political terms that it has allowed its ever-present rump of ignorance and xenophobia to come to the fore.
I agree, Arizona.
But I was referring to his more reasonable response to the Iranian agreement in the debates.
Yes, it seems that ever since McCain put her on the ballot there's this new phenomenon that they don't need to be "qualified" anymore.
There used to be a republican party which understood something of the outside world and appreciated the importance of alliances and diplomacy instead of war. This is the most fanatical group of candidates for president that we have ever seen.
The republican field still embraces a colossal ignorance of the most important current events in American foreign policy. Every one of them, less perhaps John Kasich, misrepresents the agreement with Iran which is arguably the most diplomatic instrument the US has entered into in years.
I watched that little blood sucker's interview on CNBC a little while ago which segued into an on-air poll: Should the government control drug prices? The results were 42% - always... 16% - to a degree... 46% - never. Their final assessment was that they had a free-market audience. What they didn't say was, except when it comes to bailing out failed banks and juicing the stock market!
then he lives in a fool's paradise... maybe Jason could teach him that aboriginal trance thing.
The way Tiger is losing points, I wouldn't be surprised to see him at 500 before his next PGA event.
I wonder if Rex will hire Rob?
Luck's favorite receiver, T.Y. says his knee is good to go...
hope he doesn't get RG3'd
I guess Indy missing their top 3 CBs doesn't bother you...
Just saying...
First Winston, now Manziel.
Here's another -- 4 of his last 8 rounds have been 63 or lower
He's lapping the field! Spieth shot 65-66 and trails by 7!