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Therein you must make your own judgements. I suggest you read sbrunner postings on another board. It will take a little while ... Then you will have a clearer idea of why i think other "posters" are misguided in their assessment of TATf. Besides i saw the farms, read letters, know that thinnings don't amount to a hill of beans and that the only basis i have is that the trees exist, they are growing and being cared for now some 20 years almost since steve started this business, and there is no real reason to suppose that a man who has 2.2 million trees of his own is interested in making 3350 enemies for what is peanuts in his holdings.
Thinnings are so much different in value, Most of it is only good for fenceposts. You can buy steel fencepost for how much? Not a great deal, and so the price is fixed by the use thinnings compete against in steel fenceposts.
Now final harvest logs are entirely different. We all know that every statistic says that demand is projected to be outstripping supply for teak for the next 25 years at least. As the world recession fades, teak lumber demand will skyrocket!
Great to see you here abnrgrrvn, and good post. Would you and bfl be interested in being assistant mod? or we can flip, and i'll be assistant? I added you, but let me know if u r not interested.
Well that part i am waiting for TATF to put the kabosh to themselves. How surprised everyone will be getting their check, like BFL, love to see a picture when he opens up his TATF mail and sees his big check.
I have to disagree with some of what you said. My agreement said there would be a 6% net cost for management taken out for my harvest. That included the cost of selling, getting the lumber cut, to the ships rail,etc.
What is the market trend in January on teak from CR? Prices up? Or lumber sales growing?
No, I say since the trees exist, it is axiomoronic to say the burden of proof is on detractors to prove fraud. It is always the burden of proof on the entity charging fraud to prove it. Where is the fraud?
Why so many on the board? Off Topic in the MOD handbook:
Posts not about the topic of the board including other stocks or companies.
Posts about or focusing on other Members or groups of people and their reasons for posting on the board (i.e. "XYZDownDaDrain" is just a basher, ignore him", "XYZToDaMoon" is a pumper", "the naysayers are very loud today", "c'mon, where did all the cheerleaders go?"). The post does not have to be addressed to a specific person. If the post is about other Users then it should be removed.
Posts with religious or political statements should be removed as "off topic". These inevitably create an avalanche of replies that are off topic as well.
Posts about MODERATORS and/or DELETIONS are also "off topic".
Issues of this nature need to be discussed with a Site Admin.
Putting "ot" at the beginning of a post does not make it acceptable. It is still off topic and eligible for removal.
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Mods edit out "noise": those are postings that in the case of this board are of no useful info to tree owners ;in the off topic category. These are just the off topic issues. How this is done is that if something is off topic in your message, the whole message gets removed, sorry if 99% is not removable by itself and that one little sentence wipes out everything.
I believe you already know TATF is owned by Steve Brunner. The forrester was from switzerland, or was european and had gone to a swiss college,.. Probably easier for you to ask Steve to give you his email address to write and ask him questions if you plan on buying any trees..
Absolutely there is proof that tree owners will reap big rewards when every treeowner sees his own trees growing and dollar bills in the lumber? Everyone who has gone to see their own trees has seen that they have trees that will big in big money at final harvest!
TATF is one of the most secure tree owning opportunities there is in timber farming. We have a wonderful owner of the properties who goes out of his way to ensure all of his treeowners will turn a handsome profit. Just look at the TATF website and you will realise what a wonderful buying opportunity this is! Look through this forum for SBrunner postings and you will know that this man and his family have studied hard to make his farms a success and enrich us all!!!!!
I met with him just 6 weeks ago, he is honest to a fault and i wish everyone could get to know him.
Verifiable? Do you challenge the fact that tree owner's trees exist? That all tree owners will reap big rewards? What verification are you talking about, over what?
I don't need to really, i spoke to the forrest land owner, saw the farms(some) hiked through them, examined them for thinning and proper spacing, talked to the educated, experienced, professional forresters and made my decision that owning trees being cared for by TATF was a wonderful way to make lots of money!
BFLwrote >>,"In other words, STEVE and SHERRY were knowingly"<<
taking advantage
>."us from the start. You can say that everyone should have read the full contract before signing and you would be correct. Eventhough it sometimes causes pain, stupidity is not a crime. But, someone who writes a contract and knows that it is not enforceable (according to you)yet still presents it to potential investors as legal and binding is a CROOK. Someone who is still doing the same thing is a CROOK. Someone who still posts knowingly false projections on their unaccountable website in an attempt to lure in more unsuspecting investors is a CROOK."<<
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No i don't think so. I believe Steve will honour all the contracts.
I was reading the agreement and i don't think a lot of treeowners noticed the #23-25 part of the agreement. They explain that word of mouth does not mean anything and neither does the TATF website.. Steve has only to abide by what is written in my spanish written contract. I knew that. I signed it because TATF is going to make me money.
I-am astonished that you-have not-tried to contact steve personally about your lack of being able to get your trimming payouts. When are your trees to be final harvested, about 3 years? I would give the trees more time as with the world recession just easing, it would be wise to send steve more money to hold off the harvest.
You too, may not have seen that i was quickly going through europe. I did not spend 2 nights in the same country and was unable to talk to fellow treeowners with the short timeframework. I wish i had, the wonderful stories of how Steve and TAFT were propelling all treeowners up in the world when their very own trees were harvested would have been so inspiring. CR likewise was a whirlwind of activity, the farms were magnificent!
From the intro:
Insider Transaction - 360,000 shares - 10/1/2009 - John Cirpriano
Who is John Cirpriano?
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John Cipriano, has been CEL-SCI's Senior Vice President of Regulatory
Affairs since March 2004.
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John purchased these shares on oct01 2010
It seems strange that the CVM stock rose immediately after that sale and only once since then been back to the Oct 1st levels, whereupon it climbed quickly again.
I fail to see any contradictory postings, unless by that you mean that when i get reliable new information i may change my mind about a belief i hold. I used to believe TATF was a scam until i received seemingly incontrovertible proof that it is a great professionally run venture!
Well a lot of them were watching charts and seeing press releases that were being pumped into stock news by bloggers who were paid stock to hype the stock.
Just have to get burned to learn. It is part of the learning curve.
I suspect that when the company released news pre-market that CVM may have even bought shares by proxie shadow investors to create interest before the opening that raised the price pre-open and grabbed 3 day margin traders attention. Then resold them as the price went up from daytraders. They would have had to sell in the first day before margin 3 day traders decided to sell off the stock.
You have not been reading my postings? I am not an "investor" but a tree owner whose trees are being taken care of by TATF on TATF properties. I realise that most treeowners are happy treowners who are all extremely satisfied with the professional way in which TATF is caring for their trees. Many send e-mails to TATF in appreciation and Steve allowed me to read some in the files. Of course these treeowners had given express permission for the showing and the identifying names, addresses had been marked out by several differeng markers. That and that some were longhand and i could see had different styles and penmenship convinces me the letters were genuine.
Happy treeowners do not go looking for message boards. A tiny fraction, less than 2% in total have even signed in to comment on the boards. If that means, with the few happy ones have found the board, then 99% of TATF treeowners are extremely happy with TATF.
BTW, when i met Steve he told me there are now 3371 treeowners!
Yes to everything except i do not know if Steve is in CR. Of course i do not have first-hand knowledge but i am sure from understanding Steve's heart and mind that all is well with every tree owners trees.
"Have he and his employees returned from Monaco? Are they still in business and accepting new money for trees? Are they answering current investor inquiries and are they thinning trees? Is his health allowing wholesome and honest accounting to his investors?"
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Yes to everything except i do not know if Steve is in CR.
Thank you, doggie owner and susie.
Simple question: what's a.. board mark? I can't seem to find the answer looking through Ihub.
Most tree owners are very well satisfied with TATF. I see no reason to involve the FBI, CR has their own laws and courts and we all signed that document saying that a CR court has jurisdiction. It was near the end of my agreement. I have great faith in Steve as a good tree farmer who is fulfilling his tree owners dreams of profit. That 6% charge is not too much to pay for all that TATF does.
Mamy fine people at TATF could be hurt as well in any FBI investigation, the farm workers will suffer, and the fact is everyone's trees are there.
I beg to differ about getting the fbi involved. This will drive down interest in buying lumber from TATF and hurt all of our treeowners here on the board. Many rumours might cause furniture makers to stop dealing with TATF. I beg to differ with the entire message i am replying to Belmont.
Ok, Guys/Girls, this may well get the board taken by Ihub. We all know what happened to the other board because members violated TOS. We all should know that the rules about posting about deletions, speculating about other posters, calling posters bashers are hypers, personal insults even if not directly directed at the other ihub member, off topic timber, these are postings that get removed even if 99% of the entire message are brilliant timber knowledge.I am posting altogether too many such messages as this one i just did.
I can try to save some by editing and reposting i feel is worth saving but why can't adults live by and edit themselves? If i have to send to ihub admin these deletions, this won't be a board that you will see around very long. You could see abvgn trying to save the other board while several headstrong posters continued along brazenly posting offtopic or personal attacks. A link to something a poster posted.
Internet fraud complaint link: www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
I will delete any message that attacks any other poster personally, is so off topic as to create a nuisance thread of posts, and Ihub admin will delete duplicate accounts and occasionally have even showed up here to delete some messages i did not get deleted because of my days other activities. We are all living by the skin of our teeth on having this board continued by IHUB. I do not delete your messages for having an opposing point of view on TATf:only please remember to counter my message with one of your own that:
if you even mention deletions, speculations about people posting who are not company owners or their workers, if you post any obscenities, and by ihub rules that includes the &*^%$ symbols then those postings are gone even if the rest of the post would solve world hunger and mankind's wars.
In the yellow sticky post you will find the hyperlink to Ihub Terms of service on what gets deleted.
They are answering the phone today too. Last night i left a message saying i was a present timber investor and first thing this morning i got a return call asking if i needed any help or information. I asked if there was any problem about the phones, and they said the night guard had inadvertantly shut off the machine on saturday. They assured me the office staff was back to work today and the farms were being tended.
Why sue a company that is going to enrich everyone after they get their very own trees harvested? TATF will meet all the expectations we had when we bought our trees. This is a really, really, really good investment!
"You said you called yesterday!" I did. I called tonight and got an answering machine.
Hello Mr. John *****, how are you? Hope fine. I’m Maria ****, I work for CINDE, the investment promotion agency of Costa Rica. Regarding your question,
any legal contract in Costa Rica has to be in Spanish. But maybe your lawyer can help you facilitating an exact English version for you.
If you have any additional doubt, let me know.
Hold-the-Horses, TATF-still in business! TATF is sorry that phone service was interrupted and offices are staffed again as usual. I was correct, the staff were called to Monaco, everything is fine with TATF and the farms are in TATF hands and control.
Goodby Everyone, The-TATF company-dissolving has ended further speculation about TATF.
I would not, unless i consulted someone in the know. It might be that anyone might say i would be somewhat responsible if the news of TATF put someone in the frame of mind to do harm to steve and i contributed before a cooling off period.
That could be dicey for me to answer in court. I suppose though that if you set your mind to it you might logically come up with a way to find out.
TATF has apparently sold all their-farms in-CR in the last 10 days. There apparently is no legal recourse against Steve and unless you had legal contracts written in spanish no recourse with the new land owners.
No-Steve & Sherry are Not honest people. However i do not intend to get embroiled in possibly illegal actions if someone(investor) loses his head.