why do you think that AMDzone concealed the article that shows the Opteron slows down when running 64bit code? The link says the article is no longer available.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=3697155

"AMD's 64 bit Opteron - How to Slow Down Game Performance !!

Note that this is from an AMD fanboy site."

What kind of RAS do you get with an Opteron server purcahsed on ebay from Sun?

I checked with our IT department and they laughed when I asked if they bought servers on ebay. They do buy Xeon servers from HP and are replacing their Sun equipment because it is unreliable.

It's [the Opteron} price/performance beats Power5 and IPF.


What a wonderful marketing approach !!

Our product is cheap, cheap, cheap (tm AMD). This should work particularly well with IT departments that are notorious for preferring cheap over RAS.

HP sold the Itanium systems to the Weather Channel -- not Intel. So explain how you think that "Intel marketing" was involved.

The plain fact is that the Weather Channel had hands on experience with the Opteron and when it additional needs it had chose IPF systems from HP. This speaks louudly of what the the Weather Channel thinks about Opteron stuff.

While Xeon is faster when running 64 bit software, Opteron slows down when 64 bit mode is used.

UPC was informed of this result before but he stil has his blinders on.

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"AMD's 64 bit Opteron - How to Slow Down Game Performance !!

Note that this is from an AMD fanboy site."

are those USED I2 systems then junk

Doug, you really need to get out in the world a little more. Nearly all of the major OEM's sell refurbished equipment. That includes Dell, IBM and HP.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/default.aspx?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

http://www-1.ibm.com/financing/gars/equipment/

http://www.hp.com/sbso/buspurchase_refurbished.html

You should specifically note that HP sells refurbished Servers.

Free is free and you should know that. Sun is indeed giving away free AMD systems. Just buy their software at the regular price.

Of course a customer could buy the Sun software at the regular price and then buy a box -- but I am not sure why.

AMD's 64 bit Opteron - How to Slow Down Game Performance !!

Note that this is from an AMD fanboy site.

Your explantion is... ??

http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&a....

In x86 systems, Sun had a whopping 109.4 percent UNIT shipment growth year-over-year and 45.6 percent growth quarter-to-quarter

It really helps your unit growth if you give away your AMD systems for free. On the other hand if someone actually had to pay for the shipment of an AMD system...

Intel is ashamed of Nocona 64-bit performance.

And your evidence is?

Ther are non-public benchmarks -- see Chip Guys post -- that show Nocona has 20 plus per cent performance increases but you coose to dismiss this information. You can not sight a single benchmark showing the performance of Nocona.

Your only evidence is that you "imagine" -- perhaps wish is a better word -- that Nocona performance sucks. It would be more persuasive if you had even the tiniest little bit of evidence, one way or the other, on the Nocona performance.

but anyone buying a new server should be somewhat forward looking

Do you think that forward looking server buyers are going to rely on some game benchmarks to make a decision on a server purchase?

Think again.

Nocona can run both Linux and Win 64 beta, the new build.

The reason for the benchmark confusion is clear: Cyrix style PR inflation. In the case of Cyrix, the false ratings not only ended with their demise but it also tarnished all the clones that were using a PR comparison.

Definitely yes. At one time, Carl was active on the Intel board on SI.

The reason that Gordon Moore retired was that he reached the age limit for Directors, 72 IIRC. Gordon joked publically that he guessed he should have set the number higher when he originally picked the number.

Lets see one Opteron on 90 nm will operate at 104 watts So a dual core device will operate at 208 watts.

That is an improvement?

AMD's plan for 64bit dominance just blew up in their face.

Right along with ASPs and any hope of an AMD market advantage with their "64 bit is critical" deceptions.

Intel's competitor for Montecito is IBM's Power5 etc. AMD doesn't have a horse in that race.

In other words you don't have a clue what apps will be available. And very few applications of any significance will be available.

More importantly, when will 64 bit drivers be available for the printers, scanners, and digital cameras being used. It is a huge leap of faith to think that people will buy all new peripherals just so they can run a gee whiz, tomorrow it will may be available 64 bit apllication.

Why don't you name a handful of those plethora of 64 bit apps that will soon be available. Remember we are talking about business or home computers, not Linux servers.

Note: screen savers don't count

Long ago and far away, AMD claimed that the very first Sledgehammer would be a dual core chip. Of course the dual core never appeared.

The actual production of a dual core AMD chip is a long time away.

Here you go again.

Confusing the issue with solid information.

<VBG>

Once they got a look at D performance, [Intel] shoved it back to Q3.

Why don't you provide just one link for this conclusion. If you can do it, I will buy you dinner at the F1 Indy grand prix.

One million Prescott units a week is a no show ??

ROFLMAO

It is one of your favorite actions to call for a link. Where is the link?

The truth is really painful. The demand for Hammers is woefully low, about 300K to 350K in Q1 when AMD says it could make a million.

The future looks bleak for AMD. It is depending on the success of the Hammers but the market demand just isn't there. Kind of like Cyrix in the past or Transmeta currently.

Read carefully what AMD was reported to have said. They indicated that they did not initiate the investigation. Well of course not. The JFTC is the one who initiated the investigation.

AMD never publicly admitted they complained to the US FTC. Privately, they said that they believed their complaints started the investigation and that they were in repeated contact with the FTC during the investigation.

The FTC interviewed many AMD employees and particularly Jerry Sanders. AMD also provided documents to the FTC. Still the result was that the FTC took no action against Intel for trade practices.

The Intel Inside coop advertising program was extensively reviewed and no violation was discovered. This is not surprising since coop advertising programs are common in the consumer field. As long as a company follows known rules, there is no problem with a coop ad program.

Inside Intel is a piece of trash. It is full of outright falsehoods, half truths and innuendo. Often the author just goes to Intel's opponents and reports their false charges.

What is really hilarious here is that Dougie does not even recognize yhat Japannese FTC action does not even arise to an allegation or a charge.

The office search was NOT even a charge that Intel violated the Trade Regulations. It was part of an investigation to see whether or not there is a violation. If the JFTC actually finds evidence they may pursue a case.

A little whiff of evidence won't do. The evidence must be persuasive. Mouth music by AMD won't cut it.

So far AMD is 0 for 2 in its efforts to raise antitrust charges with government trade commissions in the United States and Europe. When the Japanese investigation is complete, AMD can claim an 0 for 3 record.

Right, those 64 bit screen savers are a real must for notebooks and desktops alike. !!

I see that you won't listen to the conference call -- identified with a link as you requested.

Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

It sounds like you are trying to earn another ticket to the Jailhouse with your personal attacks.

Do your homework and go listen to the AMD Q4 conference call.

http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10329,00.html

What part of "Hector said it in the CC" do you not understand?

Un the Q4 Conference Call Hector was asked in effect Did you sell 100s of thousands 64 bit processors. Hector answered no. That clearly translates to less than 200 K.

The 170 K report was scited on th ihub and tracks well with th admitted <200 K. You have a membership, go find the link with the ihub search tool.

Demand for Opteron in Q4 was so poor that AMD sold only 30 K of them. Sales of all 64 bits processors were <200 K per Hector in the CC. Reports suggest the number was about 170 K although Hector would not identify the actual number.

This level of demand is not surprising given the lack of a mainstream OS and the lack of application software for the 64 bit extended IA. The vast majority of the processors are running as nothing but 32 bit processors.

The word "unwired" is a bit misleading until the context is understood. Here it means most "wireless access". So unwired is good if you are using a Centrino powered laptop.

I had the same initial reaction as you did.

You have now proved that samples aka prototypes do exist.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=2772587

So much for your companion theory that samples do not exist.

This means that developers don't get machines

The article does not say that.

In fact Nocona prototypes are almost certainly already in the hands of OEM's and developers.

Opteron is the tinker toy part for HPC experiments.

GET OVER IT !! (caps: tm Paul Engel)

:-}

of numbers will AMD give for those 82 watt -- cough, cough -- "mobile" chips?