As I stated those are marketers being paid by a company to go market their product on the web.....geesh. And as I also stated there isnt even any laws prohibiting that although its being looked at.

But again, as I asked, show us an SEC regulation that requires a middle man in a merger or acquisition, to report that on their blog site.

Show us a regulation by the SEC that requires a blogger to even disclose they were involved in getting two companies together to discuss a merger or acquisition.

Show us an SEC regulation that even requires a company involved in a merger or acquisition to report who their initial contacts where that started the process going.

You want to talk about opinions, to dispute someone elses facts, and then throw your sarcasm into it, when all you have to offer is opinions. Go get us one fact document that says PP has to disclose he was involved in any way with the merger on his blog site. Last I checked he wasnt marketing MOBOTS products or NEOMs products, and even if he had been there still is no law today requiring disclosure. So until then, the facts are the facts, and your opinions are just that, opinions.

If you are going to state facts, please support them with some links to this vastly different opinion.

The fact is as I stated it and i bet you cant come up with a single source that disputes that.

The fact is if he isnt a stock promoter he doesnt have to disclose anything. And last I checked he isnt a stock promoter.

Yes investors may not like that and express their opinion, but its a fact regardless.

By the way go look on Cornells website and see how many deals they have helped to put together, and see how many are disclosed. We know they were involved with IPOINT because they bought in same time as NEOM, but see if you can find a disclosure that they had anything to do with NEOM buying in. They too arent a stock promoter, and like the 100s of companies out there that assist in mergers and acquisitions they arent required to report a thing, unless they are public, and then of course the revenue would show up.

As to the many discussions about this issue, I think the last time it came up in this forum, it was about marketing someones product and not disclosing you were being paid by them to promote their product. And even that there is no law against as was pointed out during that discussion.

Instead of trying to criticize the poster as you are so good at, and making general statements about the poster, please provide us some references if you disagree with my post.

Simple answer is NO. If he is being paid a consulting fee for recommending a company thats his business.

If he was a stock promoter, and was promoting that you buy a companies stock,and getting compensated to recommend you buy the stock, thats a whole different story, and he then has to comply with SEC laws. He is then, whats known by the SEC as a paid PUMPER, and yes they do cover that on their website. As a blogger of a specific industry, those SEC laws don't apply.

And if a company sees that he appears to have a following of interested parties in the industry, and he goes around investigating some of the player, its not unordinary for them to ask him to try to negotiate talks with XYZ etc, and they are willing to pay him for the service.

As a blogger, he can discuss any company he wants, not discuss those he doesn't like, consult for any who ask him for his service, and under current law, doesn't owe you the reader of his blog any disclosures. Now if he starts advocating on his blog that you should go out and buy stock in company XYZ, and that company is paying him to promote them, then yes he must fully disclose his relationship with company XYZ.

"""""""""Brankruptcy, I think not...

Nor does Cornell, which would place everyone involved here on the payment line with penny settlements for their dollars, long after a court appointed judge is assigned to pay creditors or reorganize the finances of the company;"""""""

What makes you think the shareholders would get pennies on the dollar? NEOM doesnt have the assets to pay the secured debtors, therefore shareholders would get nothing.

There are a few questions that those pumping NEOM have failed to answer on this board.

1. What is the size and scale of NEOMs sales force when it comes to keyword registry or Qode?

2. With 2 products to market, why cant you call and get ahold of anyone in the sales dept, other then the top officers?

3. Where is the technical support staff at NEOM for those having difficulty with the software? Since the software is their main product a good support staff is essential.

4. A company whose main source of income is marketing a product, typically doesnt have an answering system, that only gives you access to the top officers of the company does it?

5. How many secretaries on on staff, to handle the massive amount of data entry that would be required to enter keywords if they are selling? Reasearch keywords for trademark or copyright etc, as they claim they will do on every word requested. And the personnel to put together the campaigns and generate the codes for those campaigns and handle the other customer relations involved with direct marketing to clients? How many people are on this staff that any poster here can site?

2 posts from you and KOKO, stating my post was only speculation. Well no kidding. Didnt I start it by saying, "I dont believe"?
I think I then at least 3 times in the posts used the words I believe or I dont believe, clearly indicating this is merely MY OPINION.

Dont that suggest its only an opinion, unlike your post I just responded to that supposedly has the facts, based on one posters post here?

"""""""The iHubbers are on to the PP scam of being a paid advisor and his blog is slanted accordingly.""""""""

Since when does being a paid advisor constitute a SCAM? If that is the case then Cornells advisors that worked out all the deals with NEOM and got paid heftly to do so, including this last deal for the 2.5 million, are scam artists too huh?

If the rumors here are true, that NEOM decided to hire on someone to come in and turn the company around, what is that persons role. Advisor? Heavily paid at that right?

Funny how things get spun here to fit an agenda, but at least you stated it was just speculation on your part, just as I stated it was a belief on my part, unlike some here who want to claim facts, and all they have is another posters say so to back up their facts.

Boy arent we funny. The trashing of the PP for not giving NEOM more coverage began way back before the shareholders meeting. Even when he appeared at that meeting, the trashing on this board continued.

But you convienently go dig up what posts you want to support your claim. Why are all your references from the time the TS scandal blew. Where are the posts critizing PP well before that time period?

As to the claim, yes it was March 31st, but we did not learn of it until that quarterly report which wasnt released until May, and even then when it was brought up on this board, the speculation was it was PP and he was sour with NEOM, and not giving them coverage etc.

So I think my opinions based on what I have seen on this board and his website are pretty much as accurate as your opinion, that only wants to go back as far as the TS issue.

I just went to the PPs website and the first link I clicked to archives is in April 2005........check it out how NEOM longs were then trying to turn his blog into a NEOM blog, and this was before any poster here knew of the claims for compensation, which we learned in May 2006, a year later.

I wont try to be as sarcastic as you with your global warming and motorola comments. I will let the link below speak for itself, and how wrong you are.

http://theponderingprimate.blogspot.com/2005/04/desktop-search-for-cell-phone.html#comments

I dont believe that Scotts revenge is all related to NEOMs actions. I believe a lot of his anomosity came from posters here going to his blog, and trying to turn it into a NEOM blog, disputing everything he put up there, and somehow trying to tie it to NEOM.

I also believe some here have the facts wrong on what he was owed or supposedly owed.

From the NEOM documents filed, it appears that MOBOT entered into a consultang arrangement with an unknown advisor to either acquire funding or find a buyer. The speculation here is that the consultant was sottt schaffer. The other speculation here is that NEOM hired the consultant. I dont see that in any public document. What I see is MOBOT hired someone, then when they got acquired by NEOM, that debt became NEOMs debt, and NEOM decided to question and not pay it. Who the party is is still not been made public, but many on this board assumed it was Scott Shaffer and started trashing him for being sour with NEOM for not paying the debt. Then they attempted to trash his blog site as well, with their arguementive posts.

So the posters here in my opinion, had as much to do with turning him off to NEOM, as did any SUPPOSED debt owed him by NEOM.

Page 59 of this filing says NEOM intends to investigate the claim, therefore suggesting it was not NEOM that entered the agreement, but MOBOT.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001144204-06-031655&Type=HTML

The next quarterly filing on page 70 states NEOM decided this claim had no merit and intended to defend themselves.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/fetchFilingFrameset.aspx?dcn=0001144204-06-046364&Type=HTML

Being a private company makes it even harder to get funding. And funding wasnt the issue with NEOM not getting their product develope. Sure when you blow millions of dollars and theres no progress you have shareholders complaining, but that isnt an excuse why they didnt get the product developed.

If Scanbuy got it done on all platforms, then why wasnt NEOM able to accomplish this task? The pioneer with a 10 year head start.

Yeah I know, heard it here over and over, something like this takes time. OK I can accept that, and that being the case the CEO shouldnt of been on TV in 2003, and 2004 saying the product was ready. Shouldnt of been making statements that its code agbostic either. And that wasnt some interviewers statement where they misquoted someone, that was a NEOM note.

Bottom line is this software should of been ready when they announced the launch in 2004 and 2 years later its still not ready. Go figure.

And the beginning of this year NEOM had a 100 million SEDA that they blew, which was enough to get their product working, and hire a large sales staff to go looking for clients. Instead they went on a failed shopping spree using new funding that closed the chances to ever use that SEDA. So they had way more funding then Scanbuy over the past 3 years and didnt know what to do with it. Thats the problem.

sorry nope. And that patent application was filed around the same time the suit was brought, so its questionable whether NEOM would be entitled to any damages after that date, by all these new customers you pointed out in JPs post.

Its also safe to assume that the process was developed before the suit was brought, since this isnt something one could develope and research patents, file patent application etc overnight. So that too may aid Scanbuy in their defense, especially if they can show they developed this system, before NEOM notified them of any infringement.

But we have to wait to see where the summary judgement goes first, and then what happens from there.

NEOM2006.........brokers in Europe can put any company they want on the exchange. This happened a few years ago, and since then many companies have fought to get removed, but its not easy. When the SEC proposed tighter rules a couple years ago, most all BB stocks all of a sudden showed up on the Berlin exchange.

Jonsie.......the NFC will just be a compliment to the other technologies. You cant put NFC tags on a bill board and get the consumer close enough to pick up the signal. For a few years you will see all these technologies emerging simultaneously. Eventually one will become the dominant player, but I believe that will be RFID, but thats many years out in my opinion. The barcode will still have its place for areas like the web, where you cant place an electronic sticker on your web page. NFC I believe will be mostly used for finance and security/identification applications,and RFID will be adopted for inventory and check out etc in the super markets.

The processes used by each technology, also will be widespread, and varied depending on the application. RFID has already been approved by FDA for embedding chips in people to quick access their medical records etc. There is still debate ongoing about the security of that technology however, and that will keep RFID in check for a while longer. As well as the issue of the signal being too weak to read at times, thus giving false readings. So there is still some developement to go on RFID.

I use both firefox and IE and tried both, and none of the tabs across the top come up in chinese. only the very first page after the demo is in chinese. Same with the link in your post, I clicked on each tab and only get straight lines and qs on all other tabs but the first one.

Jonsie....are you able to get the tabs to come up in Chinese on the site. I only get the first page after the intro in Chinese on my computer.

Also its been bugging me for a while and no one has commented on it here, so maybe its my computer, but on the english version, 1 line is cut in half by the graphics on most the tabs, where you can only see the top half of the letters. Anyone else have that problem?

Jonsie...the web page as been translated to Chinese, but as you suggest, i havent seen anything from the company indicating the program has been translated yet.

The english version of the web pages has links for down loading qode on several of the tabs and as you scroll your mouse over the pages you can find the links even if you couldnt read english. On the chinese version my mouse pointer dont change when it hits a link on any of the pages. Maybe my mouse cant read chinese, although the text of the pages dont appear to be in chinese, just the tabs are. And if i go to the tabs my mouse changes from a pointer to a hand, indicating a link. All I see on each tab I click on is straight lines and Qs, no chinese.

I dont know.....It says five languages but lists six...........LOL.

DLE.....I had to go back through old posts to make sure I wasnt nuts also. Of the many on the issue of QR and Datamatrix, I pulled up the two that most demonstrate what your position was a month ago. For a little back ground, someone asked me for my predictions for 2007. The first post of yours below was a response to my prediction post. You stated my prediction was UNTRUE(it was a prediction, so never claimed it to be true) and you stated emphatically it would never happen in 2007. You also provided 5 references for me to read, to support your statement. All 5 were posts made by Jim Levinger who in almsot all 5 was dissing QR and Data matrix, and trying to get the readers to instead use his companies mcode.

The second post you emphatically make the statement that AZTEC is the superior code for mobile ticketing. There are the other posts where you kept challenging me to find any company outside ASIA using QR etc, to further drive home your point that QR and DATA MATRIX wouldnt become mainstream as well. So your point was obvious as to which code will be the standard, and that was NEOMs AZTEC. There are many more, but I think this gets the point across.


I also like how you included NEOMs note in your post. That note was made back in June of 2006 I believe, and states paperclick IS code agnostic . That was before the name change to QODE and yet another misleading statement, since even today QODE/PAPERCLIK IS NOT CODE AGNOSTIC . The little chart on the last page said PC worked on 70 percent of all phones out there for scanning a barcode, yet we know that wasnt true as well, since they just got one platform working in December I believe or somewhere in that time frame, when they had the CC, and the other BREW we are still waiting on. But back in JUNE it worked on 70 percent of all cell phones out there?

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=15533553


http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=15908135

Man Beam..will you at least get your facts straight before you attempt to respond.

1.. I never said that it would itemize what deferred revenue was for what reason. But if there was a settlement that involved money at that time, that money would either show up as revenue, or deferred revenue. So if there was a lump sum fee for the 10 year license, deferred revenue would have changed significantly from previous quarters, which it did not.

2. This paragragp by you makes no sense at all and has nothing to do with the discussion, as I never claimed NEOM itemizes their financials by customer.

3. I did not claim the cost of sales increased primarily due to license fees. I didnt even talk about cost of sales. I only posted the numbers for cost of licenses, which is a separate line item under cost of sales. And that did go up significantly as the numbers I posted showed for that quarter. Cost of sales is another number all together. better go check the line items on their financials before you try to debate that issue. There is a seperate line item for cost of licensing.

4 and 5. What does NEOMS sales in 2005 compared to 2004 have to do with anything. Everyone knows their sales went down year over year and no one here but you is even talking about 2004, and 2005 revenue.

6. The only way you get 86,000.00 on the financials is buy subtratcing June 2004, License fees from June 2005 license fees. And its equal to 86,000.00 you claim came from the lawsuit. Theres a years time there that NEOM was signing all kinds of deals, so where you getting your info that this was from SCANBUY? As for you smart remarks about my not paying attention to detail, get a life. Your so called detail is nothing but a difference between 2004 License revenue and 2005 license revenue, of which you have no clue where it came from. But on that note, the License revenue that quarter in 2005 was 174,000.00 and cost of licensing was 160,000.00 or a net gain on licensing of 14,000.00

Also on that note Virgin was granted a 10 year license, so there surly was an agreement as to what that 10 year license cost. And since NEOM cant count the full value of the license as revenue, the remainder of the 10 years cost would be included in the deferred revenue, as I stated.

7. What are you talking about if 6 months of license fees may be included in deferred revenue for the rest of the 2005 year. It was a 10 year license not a 1 year license. So 9.5 years of license fees would of been included in the deferred revenue portion.

you did in fact asay it and used Jim Levingers comments to back up your position. And you did so not just once. However one of the times was when you responded to my post, where I stated QR and data matrix appeared to be the codes that would dominate when the masses were ready for the technology. You then came back disputing that and used the remarks from JIM to assert that wasnt gonna happen because he said so.

As for who is using what code now, as I said before its immaterial at this time since wide spread adoption is further away then you and others believe.

You have daily tried to post how so and so is using Aztec because as you STATED its the best choice for mobile ticketing. But if you do an extensive search you will find hundreds of companies using QR codes and Data matrix. But like I said that dont matter now. The fact that a reader for those two codes is being embedded on phones is all that matters.

As for your other claim about special optics needed for phones, get real. Scanbuy is using enhancement software to read standard 1d bar codes. the worse to read. So have other companies developed enhancement software to improve code reading. They even developed the software to aid the resolution issue when taking a pic of a code of a TV where the referesh was a big issue. So its not going to take special lenses added to the phone, just better software applications.

Maybe you better go back to kawyas website when you say only a few can scan QR codes. I think they say they have more models available then any company, and its close to 200.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but that info didnt come from the consortium, as much as you would like to take the credit. It came from multiple blogs on QR codes, which I have been researching in depth.

By the way how did you like the statement by semapedia, that over the past 6 months QR codes have been developing more rapidly then data matrix worldwide? I think that means outside Asia as well. That didnt come from a NEOM basher here at IHUB, did it?

Was also quite interesting to see other bloggers disagreeing with your source that claimed QR wasnt good for mobile ticketing. Yes he was pumping the m-code while bashing QR codes, and some took him to task on the issue.

And the shotcode announcement two days ago of the partnering of Winksite also was quite interesting.

When are we going to see a scrolling marquis of NEOM customers the likes of shotcodes list?

Also very intersting is the myth that Rupert Murdoch was going to adopt QODE across his entire platform of business', yet we find him playing around with shot codes too. I bet as i keep digging I will even find him experimenting with QR in one of his enterprises.

Interesting last comment regarding NEOM. Also interesting I was doing a lot of reading and found Glass will only read QR and Data Matrix codes, thus leaving NEOM out in the cold as far as using QODE for mobile couponing.

I also found which hasnt even been mentioned here, that SEMAPEDIA just this last December, basically abandoned SEMACODE and decided to adopt QR codes as their standard, and have made the service available in many European Countries as well as the US. They found the QR code progressing more rapidly then Data matrix and hense the change. Fot those who dont know, semapedia uses the codes on physical objects to link to wikipedia........

http://mlearning.edublogs.org/2006/12/08/semapedia-adopts-qr-code/

They apparently are evaluating all models. Go to shot codes website and you will find that they are also experimenting with shot codes with their 20th century fox. Watch the 2 scrolling marquis half way dont the page for the mariad of companies sxperimenting with shot code, and the BIG GUN is one of them.

http://www.shotcode.com/aboutshotcodes/customers

additional confusion? Gee you will go to any extreme to attempt to attack the facts. My post simply stated I looked for either a quarterly increase in license revenue or a lump sum payment.

And contrary to your statement, a lump sum payment typically will show up on the SEC reported financials as DEFERRED REVENUE. You ever hear of that? Most companies report it as such, including NEOM. I think I even heard you commenting on NEOMs deferred revenue at one time did I not?

So to break it down in simple terms, if VIRGIN paid an upfront fee of say 5 million for a 10 year license, that 5 million would be reported as deferred revenue, and annually the .5 million earned for that year would be recognized as revenue, and dedusted from the deferred revenue.

And once again I will ask thew moderators to inform you that your insulting personal attacks are not allowed on this board.

"""""""","Our patented technology is a mobile marketing necessity,".""""""

Those kinds of statements are the ones I have had serious problems with over the past couple years. Everything the company states as a fact turns out at some point to be not such a fact.

On another note, going back to your other question. A year ago on this board the statement was used regularly that NEOM owned the bridge, and anyone wanting to do mobile marketing would have to pay a toll to NEOM to cross that bridge.

Now several are starting to realize that statement isnt accurate, and the tone here now is becoming....yeah others can work around, but we have the best process.

I expect in another 6 months the tone here will shift again, when everyone starts to see all the different campaigns unroll, by several different players, and the new tone will be..........well this space is big enough for all of us, and competition is good.

I am willing to bet NEOM will be a small time player, with a niche of customers, and the bulk of mobile marketing revenue will be going to lot bigger fish.

Time will tell.

yes that patent makes it clear in both the abstract and the claim sections that you have to go to a resolution server, to acquire an INFORMATION URL. The request URL that is sent by the camera phone isnt the website you are looking for. The INFORMATION URL returned to your camera is.


Quote from abstract.......

"""""""A camera-enabled cell phone that is adapted to image a machine readable code such as a bar code, decode the bar code, send the bar code data over the Internet to a resolution server that will return an associated URL"""""""""


QUOTE FROM CLAIM..............

"""""""""d. transmitting, from the camera-enabled cell phone via an associated cellular telephone network, the request URL to a resolution server computer on the computer network that is interoperable with the cellular telephone network; e. determining, at the resolution server computer, an information URL as a function of the request URL; f. returning the information URL to the camera-enabled cell phone; g. the camera-enabled cell phone transmitting the information URL to an information server computer designated by the information URL; """""""""""

"""""I was hoping to have someone who is typically more positive about Neomedia's potential 'uniqueness' attempt to show where Neomedia's patents/IP/qode/'uniqueness' was going to make Neomedia/qode a preferred choice out there in the mobile advertising arena"""""""

Yes I knew this was the case and stated so in a post this weekend, but one poster in particular, keeps stating I never responded to your question, even though I have stated the same thing 3 different ways even before your question. So I was well aware you werent asking me for my view on this particular matter, because I am certain you read my previous posts.

But as I also stated, good luck getting an answer, because NEOMs method is not the only way, as many here stated it was in the past.

The only thing that makes NEOMs process unigue to the other work arounds, would be the word registry aspect of their process. If someone could type the word HONDA and go directly to hondas website, then they dont need a code, so if NEOM could get that off the ground they might have an advantage there.

They certainly dont have an advantage in the codes, since 2 are free, and dont need to go to a server to be decoded.

The other advantage they could have in the future is if they can come up with a universal reader that reads all codes. To date they havent dont that, even with Gavitec on board. A universal reader of the 6 or so main codes out there would be superior to the one being preinstalled that only reads QR and Data Matrix.

But thats not where NEOM is focused right now. They are still trying to get their reader to work on all platforms, and theres still been no announcement on BREW.

The questions Jonsie is asking have nothing to do with the ongoing patent litigation with Scanbuy.

His questions pertain to DIRECT MARKETING, which is not in NEOMs patents, where a marketer such as VIRGIN directly markets to the individual cell phone user througth ads, similiar to what you get in tha mail all the time. Except instead of the ads coming in your mail they will come directly to your cell phone.

This is no way involved in NEOMs process, and any company can directly market to your cell phone. The only ones who will control that are the cell phone providers.

Jonsie....you are not missing anything. I will try to explain it again.

Lets say company XYZ wants to market their product. They decide they will do so using Data Matrix codes. They also want to be able to determine who is clicking on the codes etc.

When marketing via cell phones becomes standard, there will be an opt in option, as has been reported by every expert in the field. The opt in can be embedded in the phone or embedded in the pre installed code reader. As a part of the opt in, the user will have to complete certain non identifying information, such as age, gender, and location.

Now when the company puts its ads out there, either in print, posters etc, with a data matrix code on it, the user starts clicking on that code. Everyone that clicks on the code is brought to company XYZs website. Once at the site, the site records the opt in data on the user clicking on the code. Now they have that users age/gender and location and where on their site they have navigated to.

Also now that they have this info, they know this user is a certain age, gender and where they are located. In future campaigns they can target the largest group who responded or clicked on that data.

Now lets go a step further. Lets say company XYZ had hired a marketing firm to run their campaigns. This data is now in the hands of the marketing firm. And since the user opted in, the marketing firm can automatically send ads for its other clients, that it thinks this user might be interested in.

Non of this involves NEOM or NEOMs patents, and dont even involve the codes NEOM specializes in. Its using data matrix and not AZTEC. Its not using NEOMs process because the URL is embedded into the data matrix code, thus not requiring a server to decode the code.

Think of it like cookies on the internet. Once that cookie is on your puter, that company can track every where you go and what you do when you get there.

::::::::::::POST # 107091. YOUR POST TO JONESIE IS REGARDING LICENSE FEES, NOT VIRGIN'S TECHNOLOGY.::::::::

Here is the link again and the last paragraph....show me anywhere in that [aragraph where I am discussing license fees. And you will note my reply to him was the day before he asked you to reply.

Go read ther post again, especially the last paragraph, which says nothing about license fees. It talks about a go around to NEOMs patents using age/gender and location, and all them words are included in that paragraph.

""""""""As to your other issue, yes what you describe is possible. Not only is it possible but it will be happening, and will include GPS when and if the operators open that channel to the marketers as well. And as I stated in the past, a small addition to the decoder stores all your personal data so they can be gender/age/location specific with their ads etc, and not involve NEOM in any way. The opt in process will ask for that data just as QODE asks you for it when installing it to your mobile. And what you are installing on the mobile when installing QODE is just that, a code reader, and NEOM dont have patents on code readers. They have a patent on what that reader does with the info it captures when it takes a picture of a code.""""""""""

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=16150267

was it similar to this dream?

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=15354330

No kidding they are accrued. That dont mean I didnt look to see if there might of been a lump sum payment in addition to the annual license fees that are accrued. Not only that but I also looked at the quarterly numbers for any significant changes in License fees for that period. And it was ten minutes time....maybe others would have took hours but not me.

So you see I looked at all angles, which never hurts. But did you find any increased license fee revenue on a quarterly basis after the announcement? Didnt think you did.

Twice in this post you make the statement I never responded to Jonsie so I could be critiqued. By who.....you. Funny for someone who dont trust a word i say you came out of retirement to attack my posts. And one of those you attacked, has my response to Jonsies Question in it. Apparently you missed that part of the post. We know you read the post because you tried to attack me afterward, but here it is again.

Now who is making false statements and lies? Read the last paragraph.

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=16150267

My mistatements? You have been debating an issue for 2 days now with Jonsie, regarding a PR that Virgin put out that apparently you never read. And to support your position, you keep trying to tie this news into NEOMs patents, and keep suggesting NEOM should way in or Virgin to clear things up.

What was announced by Virgin is a marketing initiative, that uses none of NEOMs patents. If a user opts into their marketing program, they are sent advertisements on their cell phone, by SMS.

NONE OF THIS HAS A THING TO DO WITH NEOM. They only reason he compared it to NEOM was because many here said only NEOM could market using age,gender,location. So he was pointing out that apparently thats not true.

And no one here except you has even tried to argue that NEOMs patents extend to downloading advertisements from a marketer. NEOM has zero to do with downloaded advertisements to your cell phone. Their technology is taking a picture of a code to direct connect to content, and has nothing to do with advertising.

Call it misstatements all you want, its the facts and you are the only one thats disputed that fact on this board. The virgin patent license has nothing, again nothing to do with this type of marketing, that many companies are already starting to employ, now that the cell phone providers have opened the gate they control(notNEOM) and allowed marketers to do this either on deck or off deck.

So lets talk about whose set mode of communication is misstatements.

"""""""""
Sounds like you are speaking of a reverse IPO"""""""

Is there such a thing? I thought its called a reverse merger. Certainly its not an IPO or initial public offering.

EDITTED........""""""When someone does as much for this board as you do, I can not understand the sickness of any individual who may feel threatened by you.

""""""

what about your sickness to attempt to dispute everything I say, yet you claim you leave your opinions to accounting issues. The article if you read it as you claim stated it was in Flemish as well, so apparently both of you didnt read it.

I havent seen a post from you yet since you came back on accounting issues. Mostly an attempt to attack Jonsie and myself. And you want to say someone else has a sickness?

As for the article I did attack it as well. Mobile ticketing by SMS is not NEOMs technology. What part of that in my post didnt you understand. The flemish aspect was just to point out the lack of attention to detail. Then you want to post a link that some belgians speak french. I know what they speak I spent 5 years stationed with them, something you have no expertise in other then what you could dig up on the web. But go read that post of DLEs again and see if you see the reference to Flemish in there. I bet you will if you read all the links as you claim you had.

Speaking of Know it alkl comments. Isnt that what you have tried to project here since you began posting?

edited.I saved both of you some time.here it is straight oout of DLEs post....

"""""""The Flemish company of transport De Lijn will launch, at the latest on September 1, in collaboration with Proximus, a project-test allowing the travellers to pay their transport document by SMS.""""""""""

The excessive use that you call it, was put out in a pr by Virgin, and has nothing to do with NEOMs patents. Have you read the PR? What they are doing is sending advertising to someones phone based on gender age and location. what patent of NEOMs covers sending advertisements to a user? NONE.

I dont think he assumed anything. I think he stated that the PR lets them market to individuals, something some here said only NEOM could do, based on age etc.

Gee this is all such old news, yet they still dont mention AZTEC code on their site do they?

Its nice to keep rehashing the old stuff if it can somehow put a positive spin on NEOM, but is it really necessary to keep going over 2 year old news?

I havent seen anything either on their site about incorporating Qode into their universal reader, and keep in mind this universal reader was just that before they got involved with NEOM. So obviously they labeled it a universal reader because of the codes they were working with at the time, and it dont appear AZTEC was one of them.

By the way all this ticketing by mobile and SMS has nothing to do with NEOM as well, and goes to BANKs post about showing the relevance. Even if the mobile ticket uses AZTEC codes, still has nothing to do with NEOM, unless they are using NEOMs platform, which I havent seen in any of the prs or source information. NEOM dont own the AZTEC code or have any patents on it being sent by SMS to someones phone as a mobile ticket. And for the record, the Belgians speak flemish, not french. Flemish is a variation on the french language.

Jonsie thanks for a 5 star post.

And you are 100 percent right. Throughout all my criticism I never suggested anyone buy/sell the stock. Unlike many here from the other side, that as you point out repeatedly bashed me. They were all the while the stock was dropping telling others to buy at those great bargain prices. I am sure we all remember all the way from .40 down each day was a great buying opportunity.

I put out the criticism, for the investors to use as they see fit. Those hell bent on the company will ignore it and attack and attempt to discredit it, and those uncertain, will look into it and if they find it credible invest with caution or hold off. I hope the majority held off, although I never advised anyone to.

Funny though that there is no problem with all the positive spin, even when it turns out false for over a year now, but the negative criticism that turns out to be right makes that poster less then dirt.

NEOM was and is still in deep trouble and by no means in the clear. The NEWS CORP campaign and the ONE campaign are not going to lift them out of this in the next 1 to two quarters. Much to the dismay of many longs here, including one I see who has been responding to your posts and is an expert in financing. They all though NEOM would be cash flow positive in 2006. Now the dates keep getting shuffled. Now they claim they knew this is where NEOM would be at at this time. But go back and read their posts 6 to 8 months ago. Completely different picture. NEOM wasnt cash flow positive before they bought the subs, so what makes anyone here think they will be after getting rid of the subs, on an operational basis? Even before the paint business came on board with their little 8 person crew they werent cash flow positive. And now if they are going to ramp this up, they need a heck of a lot more then 8 people to do it, so who really believes they can cut back personnel and become cash flow positive. But hey I am not a certified accountant so what do I know anyway?

The product at best might start showing real revenues 2nd quarter 2007. Thats revenue, not profits. Even then you will just see another campaign here, and weeks later another there etc. Not enough to really turn around the finances in the short term. How many revenue producing campaigns did the subs have under their belts yet they were still in most cases losing money. And some of them were very nice campaigns, not little pilot programs. They were losing so much money the longs here claimed they werent performing so NEOM had to get rid of them? Well if they werent performing, what does that say about what NEOM was doing, when NEOMs losses were greater then any of the subs?

But did you notice those same longs bash the subs for underpreforming, but wont say a word about NEOM underperforming? Pretty Ironic huh?

Obviously they havent all left the scene, or this discussion wouldnt of been there for me to reply to this morning when I logged onto the NEOM board. But nice to see my post back up anyway.

When you say everyone left the scene of the accident, are you referring to NEOM, cause it was much more then an accident that occurred there, more like one catastrophie after the other for the past year now.

A simple request to provide references to your statements was all that was asked for. yet here we go again with no references and more run around. I get the picture clearly.

And I see theres been a great deal of discussion last night about the great DD donne here on NEOM. What a joke that statement is. Not even a stock promoter, promoting NEOM would waste the amount of time thats been wasted in this forum, in an effort to put a positive spin on a failing company. And some here call that great DD, when every thing mobile is spun here to supposedly relate to NEOM somehow, and will somehow impact NEOMs pps in the future. But then when its pointed out how those issues have nothing to do with NEOM that poster is attacked...LOL

Check with the analysts and see if they think its necessary to spend 16 hours or so a day, every day of the week digging up info on a company to do the amount of DD required to make a smart investment. And yes some here spend that amount of time 7 days a week trying to dig up anything they can spin and say is positive news for NEOM.

Thats not DD. Its spin plain and simple. But then the same posters have a problem with someone spending half the time they spend, disputing all this so called great DD.

Then the anology that those with the glass half full mentality get far more accomplished in life, is pure hogwash as well. If the glass gets knocked over and the water all runs out, and you try to convince someone its still half full they will laugfh you out of town. And NEOM has been knocked over, and the water has spilled all over the place, and until they do something to refill that glass, it will remain less then half full.