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The truth hurts doesn't it boys? Since you aren't doing anything to make money, you have time to delete my posts. lol And you wonder why IHUB is dead. There are better places. Back to the basement boys. lol
I think we saw the floor last week. These pinkies usually get a little bounce after the new year. Have a good new year boys. Let's make some money in '16.
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I can't believe you said that Gator. That is exactly what you did when you were making all those accusations about Molin. You clearly lied and liabled yourself. I can't believe they didn't come after you. Remember? You said he never gave Vance $25K. You said they had two machines repossessed. You said there was no agreement between Vega and Vance. All lies. Wow.
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Welcome to the pinks. For every person that has lost money on this stock, there is someone that made money. You just have to know what you are dealing with and ride along. Don't pay any attention to the company. Play the stock. This one is a gold mine.
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They don't r/s for nothing. You can count on news coming. They do these things for a reason.
I'm buying every day. Look forward to the run.
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Usually companies don't just r/s. They have something planned and want to maximize its value. That's what is going on here. Look for deals to be announced.
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Mark, the last time they did a r/s, the s/p fell like a rock right away. Good to see it holding its own. There hasn't been any dumping like we were afraid of. Looks like the support/floor is at a penny. Nice place to launch from. Anxious to see what they come out with.
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Support seems to be staying above a penny. That's good if they are planning on moving up.
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We sure haven't seen anything that I would call dumping since the r/s. That seems positive. Have they announced when the D will fall off their symbol? I haven't seen anything about it.
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Why do some of these guys claim everything is a scam when they lose money? Why didn't you take some profit when it was up? Losing is no fun though. Some bad decisions don't make it a scam. GLTY
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This one got me too. Thankfully, not too heavy in it. I agree that seems to be more transparent.
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pcguy, No, I'm not interested in that kind of back and forth. The only time I post something here is when I think there are unfair comments being made. That's all. I own two businesses and I know how things work. I understand delays. I know what its like to run a business with very little capital. So when someone jumps on management because the value of their stock went down, I think that is unfair. Think about it. Management usually hold the majority of the stock in a company. Why would they do something intentionally to drive their own stock down? They wouldn't. In the micro cap world, a few dollars played either way can have a significant impact on the s/p. Much easier than something management can do. If they put out an aggressive PR with forward looking thinking, they get accused of pumping and dumping. If they put out a PR with what is perceived as little news, they are accused of a fluff PR. Things change daily when running a business. They can't put a PR out every time something changes.
I didn't mean to ramble, but I wanted you to know where I'm coming from. In the day of the internet, anyone can say anything and stay hidden behind an alias. I guarantee you that if people had to show their real name, you wouldn't see have the crap you see here. The companies would go after these guys daily. For instance; I've read here from someone hiding behind an alias that Molin lied when he said he had given Vance a $25K deposit. He got others to say it as well. He said it in an open forum and the s/p has fallen. I've been doing this long enough that I know that that qualifies as slander that caused financial damages to the slandered party. That's a case any ambulance chaser would take on contingency. But because of the internet and aliases, they think they can get away with it. It's not just the guys making negative lies. It also applies to someone on here that lies about something positive in an effort to make the s/p go up.
I've been in this stock for a very long time. I've made a lot of money playing the flow, not waiting for Earnings Reports, or Company Projections. It's a micro cap/pinksheet company and needs to be treated differently than IBM.
The only answer that I can give you to your question is that I'm happy that they are still trying to make a go of it. It's not easy and many many others just walk away.
Good luck to all.
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Well somebody has your back.
Gator, are you so insecure that you have to delete all of my posts? Grow a pair mate.
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That's not a true statement. You clearly only told the first part of the story. You never told the guy that there was a follow up PR explaining the confusion. I don't think that's right. You can't pick and choose what news you share with others just to make your point.
Anyone else agree with me?
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SEC Rules allow for a retraction or clarification of previous statements that were found to be untrue or false. They didn't have to do it, but they did. I was impressed at the time that they made the effort. A lot of pinky CEOs wouldn't have. Apparently there was other construction that was started on the same property. So it wasn't a lie, but it was very confusing. I think that's why they put out the clarification PR. Stand up thing to do if you ask me.
Didn't mean to offend you with my newbie comment. This topic has been hashed out several times on here and since you didn't seem to know it, I figured you were new to the board.
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Trail, since that PR, they came out with one that explained that they were opting out of the JV in Allendale and concentrating on marketing the biocoal and letting the VA boys do the manufacturing. Be careful who you listen to on here. Suggestion: go back and read the PRs from the past year. Don't rely on anyone on this board.
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Gator, what you are failing to tell the newbie is that there was a PR that went out since then about Vega cancelling the JV to build out Allendale and is now working with the VA boys. That is a non issue now. Just tell the entire story.
Better read this quickly. I'm sure some basement dweller will delete it.
Who the heck keeps deleting my posts? I've provided due diligence for the board and it has been deleted. Why?
Gator, how do you justify going around the company and cutting a deal with Vance? Seems to me like a circumvention issue. Please explain.
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Let's do the weather man test on some of the crazy statements made on this board.
1. I went back and listened to both conference calls and Molin never said he wouldn't do a r/s. He made it clear that a r/s would only be done as a last resort. He told the story about how they were going to do a r/s 18 months ago and then the s/p took off and went to over .015. Apparently when the s/p fell back to .0001 I guess he felt it was "last resort" time. It seems like it would be difficult to raise money at such a low valuation.
2. Molin lied about giving Vance $25K deposit. Statements were made that were supposedly from Vance that neither Molin, Vega, or Vencor gave him a penny. Now it seems that Molin was the only one that gave him any money. The PR confirms that the $25K was given to Vance as a deposit on a machine. I have yet to see anyone on this board give an apology for lying to the rest of us.
3. The only reason Vance agreed to the open house was so he could repossess two machines from Vega. This one is a crazy one. Vance has since made it clear that no machines were repossessed and that he was 100% supportive of Molin/Vega at the open house. People that were there also confirmed the relationship.
4. There is no deal between Vance and Vega. The PR debunked that one. Even Gator confirmed that there is a deal between Vance and Vega. Yes, the same Gator that went around Vega to invest with Vance's private company at the same time he was twisting facts and selling his VGPR stock.
Just my thoughts on a rainy Tuesday afternoon. Things that make you go hmmmmm.
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ID, does Vance's quote in the last PR mean anything or do you think Molin made that up?
Bt: He was also quoted in the last PR. These guys don't want to hear the truth. It scares them. They have a job to do. They talk about Molin's reputation. How about theirs? How about Gator's? Like the weather man. Nobody ever goes back and checks on how their forecast did. You can say anything on the internet without owning it. If Molin said it, Vance said it and several people heard Vance say it at the OH, I believe it. Straight away. Some kid sitting in mum's basement making up sh*t carries no weight.
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With only 9.5M shares i/o, can't be much.
Best news is that there is no dumping. This is tight now and could see a nice run. More news would help.
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Those guys run when they get busted. Think about it, why would someone come on this board and trash a stock that they own? They wouldn't. Gator tried to say he had the inside track, but that turned out to be false information apparently. It's obvious now that he didn't know what he was talking about. I'm buying a little more to get back in. These guys have something going. Should be another nice ride.
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Diesel, nobody stole anything from me. I bought my shares in the open market and sold them the same way. Molen didn't get my money. Anyone that thinks the money that changes hands every day goes to the company is just showing how stupid they are and that they don't understand how this all works.
I'm riding this wave again my friend.
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This is a great opportunity for all of those that don't like this company or feel that its all a scam to take a hike. Move on to something else. I feel the pain, but I made too much on this one to walk away now. Glad to see you all leave. Good luck to you.
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And there is always someone to piss on the campfire.
WAKE UP BOYS! NEWS IS OUT for Vega.
Looks like Gator needs to check his facts. This is a much better plan than going thru a middle man.
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This board goes silent when real facts are shared.
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All: MM's response to my email.
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Mr. Molen,
Would you please clarify a couple of items that have been discussed on the message board? Do you have a deposit with Mr. Vance of any kind and did you have two machines repossessed by Mr. Vance? If its OK with you I would like to post your response on the message board.
Bobby
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Bobby,
Thank you for your interest in Vega Biofuels. I normally don't respond to issues concerning the message boards. I've made my feelings about the message boards very clear in the past. It certainly is not the source for news about the Company. My suggestion is to stay off of the message boards completely.
In reference to your questions, I'm not sure where that info comes from, but I will share the actual facts with you on both subjects.
I gave Doug a $25,000 deposit when we first met. The deposit was to be used as a down payment on a torrefaction machine that he was going to build for us. When Vencor came around and became the manufacturing arm, I asked Doug to hold the deposit and we will credit it to the first order that he produces for us. As of today, Doug is still holding our $25,000. If anyone says differently, they are mistaken.
As far as having machines repossessed, I'm not sure what that means. We have never taken possession of any machines and certainly have not had anything repossessed. Again, that sounds like something someone made up on the message board. Further proof that you should stay off that board.
If you were to reach out to Doug, he would tell you the same thing. We value our relationship with him and his team and will have an announcement in the next couple of days concerning that relationship.
Feel free to post my comments. It will be nice to have actual facts posted on that board rather than conspiracy theories.
Thanks again for your interest in Vega Biofuels.
Regards,
MM
Michael K. Molen
Chairman/CEO
Vega Biofuels, Inc.
ID, I sent an email to MM asking him about the $25K and the machines being repossessed. I will post his response.
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So much for taking responsibility for your own actions. You invested in a pinky. What did you expect? If the s/p would have gone to a nickle would you have felt the same way about management? Remember, large risk, large reward. Large reward...large risk. If its not for you, buy a CD at your local bank. Or start buying and start this all over again. Play the player. Make money on the way up. Stop blaming others for your actions. I lost a little with the r/s, but I made plenty for the past year on this stock. Reloading.
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Wasting your time pal. They need someone else to blame. If you understand the pinks, you know the risks. These things are usually followed by news. Looking forward to seeing what they say.
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Now hopefully we can start moving and see some deals that they say they've been working on. Gotta love the pinks. Where else can you make a 10 bag overnight, or wake up and be reversed? Buyer beware.
Glad I've made some on this one. Should be interesting to see what they come out with now.
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Gator is all porky pies where I come from.
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IMHO, you can't believe a word Gator says. What kind of person would attend a company's open house and then go behind their backs and invest in the company that has an agreement with the company they were there to see? Too bad there isn't a non compete agreement. Gator would be in hot water. He talks up the company, then sells his position. Then bashes the company while investing in the other company. Wow, what a guy. Only in America, as the saying goes.
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Truth hurts doesn't it boys?
Picking up all you want to get rid of. Keep em coming.
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